Psychology of a Hero: FRODO BAGGINS
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Does honor still have a place in society? How do you practice radical acceptance?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright are diving into the psychology of a hero through Frodo Baggins from The Lord of the Rings trilogy. They take a look at Frodo's honor and radical acceptance as he journeys to destroy the One Ring. Jonathan shares eight examples of Frodo and the psychology of honor. Alan shares many tidbits about the filmmaking craft of the trilogy and why he thinks they're probably the best films ever made. There's a lot of giddy, nerdy energy.
Our very first video we ever made was about Frodo! But we had a lot more to say about him, so we decided to give him another episode. Watch the first one here: • Radical Acceptance & D...
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Its funny that people have a hard time appreciating what Frodo is going through when there's a literal embodiment following him showing exactly what it does to someone in the shape of Gollum. Its like not appreciating what an addict is going through while sitting next to a fiending crackhead.
I always felt a long term meth addict was a better comparison there, but basically yes.
I mean, haven’t you hit the nail on the head right here though? People have a tendency to make other people “the other”. They don’t want to see that Gollum could be them. It’s a shame they cut the scene from the book where Sméagol shows regret on the stairs and it’s Sam’s abuse of him that makes Gollum win out
The thing is that frodo gave up in the end. He was like, "nope, I'm just going to gollum for the rest of my life."
But Sauron was like "it's awful being this eye-thing" and he sent gollum down the pit.
The whole thing is a tribute to evil just offing themselves. And you're probably evil, too.
@@theparadoxicaltouristtrave9320 that's not... remotely what happened. like it's not even close. frodo didn't decide "ha ha i'm going to become gollum now", he was finally overpowered by the ring- he thought he would *master* the ring, not become its slave, like gollum did. the ring that overpowered EVERYONE. the ring that all of the greatest men, elves, and wizards in middle earth didn't dare use even once, because they knew it'd overpower them. and yet frodo managed to carry it all the way to the door to mount doom to destroy it, in a feat that no one else could've accomplished, before giving in. and then gollum takes the ring back, and he falls- and it has literally nothing to do with sauron. he falls because he had sworn to frodo on the ring he would never hurt him, and then he broke that oath, and oaths in middle earth have power. gollum is being punished by his own actions. sauron had absolutely no influence on it, and evil didn't "off themselves." the whole point is that to create that circumstance where evil could lose, everyone else had to be willing to give up everything, and even then, they still could've lost- but damn it, they had to try. all that it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
your 'analysis' reads like you watched a cinema sins video or read half the spark notes. it's just factually incorrect and also ignores the themes the story is screaming at you.
@@heathersmith4042also, at the end the ring was literaly figthing for its life, so it was more strong, powerful and dangerous than ever. Sam got the ring for like 20 minutes and he was reluctant to give it back to Frodi!
The lesson of Frodo's failure in the last moments can be summarized in the sentence, "Mortal limitations are not moral failings."
To paraphrase Tolkien, it is nobler to fail at the last than never try.
And in a way Frodo never failed. The elves tasked him with carrying the Ring to Mount Doom, to destroy it was something just implicitly taken. I think in the books it's shown that some of the elves do know destroying the Ring is impossible for any mortal, that's why the only task Frodo is given is to carry it to Mount Doom. Then leave whatever happens to Eru
@@vib2119And that idea is seen with Isíldur. He did truly want to destroy it, but when it came to the point where he "could", the Ring wouldn't let him. Isíldur was not weak either.
@@VaryaEQ the only difference is I think that in the book Isildur was taken by the Ring as soon as he laid eyes on it. His father and Gil-Galad were the ones who killed Sauron and when Isildur saw all their corpses he went and cut the Ring from Sauron's finger and said "I will take it as weregild for my father and brother". So Isildur didn't even think of destroying it and never even went to Mount Doom.
Of course what you say is true for the movie version.
Yes, I like that. 'Mortal limitations are not moral failings'.
It's a sentiment that many evangelists (especially in the USA) have badly underestimated, especially in their borderline hate-speech, so many have resorted to today.
And something I think Tolkien would have mostly reviled.@@vib2119
For some reason, I was reminded that the mercy shown to Gollum ultimately led to at least one good outcome.
"One mistake does not undo your honor." Boromir's entire story is that concept. Don't know if you've done him, but he'd be interesting to see.
One does not simply do a video on Boromir
What was sad about Boromir was that he was absolutely desperate for the power to save his people, but he failed to understand that the one ring was a power he could not wield.
@@surferdude4487 also everyone neglects to mention in the extended editions, Denathor explicitly tasks Boromir with taking the ring for Gondor
Yes; Denethor abuses both his sons in different ways. In a way Faramir got off easier, and his was objectively a terrible lot.
The movie I feel does him dirty. The way he shows no respect to the things of the past (picking up the shard of Narsíl, cutting himself with it, then just dropping it). And I get what they were trying to say, that the past had (seemingly) failed his people. But I think there was too much trying to be represented by one character that on surface level it made him appear arrogant and disrespectful.
That said, there's so many things that you can really only pick up on after multiple re-watches.
Seeing that last scene again where Aragorn turns and says "for Frodo." made me realize why Merry and Pippin ran without hesitation. The rest of the soldiers were fighting for their country. Merry, Pippin, and Aragorn were fighting for their friend.
Man. I'm re-reading the Fellowship of the Ring, and Merry is there almost from the beginning - helping Frodo deal with the deluge of people descending on Bag End after Bilbo disappeared. Trying (and failing) to fend of the Sacksville-Bagginses for Frodo...
Yup I'm there too and it's beautiful how much more of the 4 hobbits' friendship is shown in the book, infact in the movie it looks like they were just swept up with frodo's adventures but all 3 made the choice to go with him into danger and darkness and peril
@@Galaxy613even more than that, frodo lived with merry's family for a while after his parents died. they're almost surrogate brothers.
@@tamannathomasi laugh and cry when Frodo realizes Merry and Pippin knew about his plans of leaving all along and the Ring. The fact that they were willing to stick with him through thick and thin makes me burst in tears, but the whole realization is just hilarious.
As a long time fan of both lotr and one piece (lort only on surface level, though) I'm so happy to read that this gets acknowledged more 😁...
The friendship between all of the characters from the fellowship is *so* great, but gets rarely mentioned. My favourite scene that shows this is gimlis reaction when frodo awakens in rivendell after the ring is gone. They don't spend much time or any personal moment between each other (I don't know if they do in the books), but he's still truly happy and welcoming to see him alive and well. He is seeing him as a his "friend", not just "the hero, who destroyed the ring" 😁
Tolkien always said to not think less of Frodo, since he had immeasurable strength to carry the ring to Mt Doom at all, even with Sam's help, and the fact that his strength gave out at the literal last minute was not a sign of weakness. No one, not even Sam, could have carried it that long.
Yes, our strength being in our bonds is also part of the LOTR books so it's not like you have to pick Sam over Frodo, but rather aknowledge how far they went together and how they faced their struggles with kindness and bravery
Actually Sam could have carried it that long, it just wasn't his fated burden. There is writing in the books when Sam has the ring, where Sauron tries to tempt him but Sam really isn't interested in anything Sauron offers, because Sam doesn't desire power.
@@TheDragonsRose Frodo had the ring for far longer though. Frodo only desired to destroy the ring and bring peace. Sam also had desires and even if he resisted for this moment, I highly doubt he could resist as long as Frodo did.
@@TheDragonsRose I think Sam could have resisted the ring as long as Frodo did, but he would have killed, or shunned Sméagol and never got to Mordor, die or get captured.
It's telling that Isildur, who is considered not just one of the greatest humans, but greatest heroes who ever lived PERIOD, could not destroy the Ring.
I always hated Frodo when I was a kid, I considered him too weak. Now that I grown up and watched it many times I finally understood the burden he had to bear. I see him now as the strongest and bravest of the nine.
Agreed, he wasn't the most convential hero, yet he still persisted in his task, which shows true bravery.
I hated him as a kid because of the way he treated Sam😅 still dislike him for how he treated Sam in the beginning but love the character as a whole, because of the great character development.
Really? Throw Sam a bone here. He went through the exact same shit. And even though he didn't wear the ring for most of the time, he was around it just as much.
Same here. My biggest issue is that he's surrounded by so many strong characters, especially Samwise who is always afraid but plows through it all, even when you see he wants to give up as well, yet knows he cannot.
Now, I'm Frodo. I'm exhausted, burdened and I want to give up but I aspire to be Samwise again and just refuse to give up.
@@rithrius5384Sam, frankly, gets TOO much credit, to the point where a lot of people consider HIM the real hero of the story.
I’m not gonna be saying anything like “Sam isn’t that good”, because Sam is easily one of the best characters in the story and I love him, but he IS a bit… overrated, I guess? People really undervalue what Frodo was going through, mostly BECAUSE Sam was there.
Frodo was waging a war in his head the entire story, ON TOP of all the physical torment, and he did better than anyone could have possibly done. My man made it all the way to the caldera of Mt Doom before finally succumbing, when so many succumbed to its powers quickly.
Nah, Frodo deserves a lot more respect than he gets.
I formally apologize for my previous Frodo slander in the past, I was dumb. Frodo is an incredibly brave, honorable, and strong hobbit ❤
You're incredible too!
"For recognizing your own mistakes and taking responsability for them, demands more character than to never commit a single one."
Respect
Its forgivable ;)
Frodo in the movie is the character they treated the worst. they basically removed or changed every single of his hero scenes...
the attack at weathertop:
Movie: he panics, puts the ring on and tries to crawl away
Book: he panics, puts the ring on, realizes that the riders manipulated him into doing it and attacks them
fleeing to rivendell
Movie: gets carried by aragorn and arwen for about a day
Book: rides the pony for 14 days, then switches to glorfindels horse, rides alone to flee from the wraiths and after passing the ford at rivendell, right before passing out draws his sword to stop the wraiths from crossing
shelob:
Movie: runs away
book: draws his sword and attacks shelob with sword and light
@@Glimmlampe1982 an unpopular opinion I have is I hate the movies. So much.
The EMOTION in Aragorn's voice when he says "my friends!" breaks me every time. 🥲Then again, I can't read the book without crying either.
been rewatching these movies my whole life and never noticed how softly he says that
And EVERYONE bows!! Gets me every time!!🥲
You're forgetting that Frodo understands Gollums pain because of their connection to the ring. He fears for Gollum and hopes for him to "get better", because he hopes that it will apply to him. He can feel the ring turning him into Gollum. He sees Gollum as a reflection of himself and what the ring is doing to him.
Which is why he is so passionate about saving his life. It's been a while since I watched the movies, however there is a passange in the book where Faramir and his soldiers find Gollum hunting near their camp. They have the order to kill any stranger that is near it, but since Frodo stands in for Gollum saying that he belongs to him, he advises Faramir not to harm Gollum. And while Faramir sees that Gollum has some dark spots, he acknowledges that he isn't completely evil and follows Frodo's will.
This perfectly captures Frodo's dedication to Gollum/Sméagol to undermine your comment. And it makes Frodo so much more strong and likeable.
@@wolfgang9847 I think that's in the extended editions but not the theatrical release.
@@wolfgang9847i agree completely. Frodo feels pity for Gollum before he begins to feel the ring making him “worse”. the feeling of wanting to save Gollum only emerges well after his decision to spare him. it’s also implied Frodo’s decision is born of the same pure honor Bilbo has (and likely instilled in Frodo) which motivates his pity- the same pity Bilbo felt even knowing nothing about Gollum.
I thought he felt this way even more strongly about his uncle Bilbo rather than himself, he was seeing a dark gollum-like side of Bilbo make appearances & he needed to know that it wasn’t too late for his uncle❤️
I just commented about this, but this is exactly what I think happens in Frodo's mind, Gollum is the extreme Frodo is hoping, fighting and struggling to not become, but he wants to trust and see the good in him and treat him with humanity, believing that if he ever falters or reaches that point there's going to be someone to treat him the way he treated Smeagol.
The scene with Aragorn saying "my friends you bow to no one" I'm crying every single time I am watching it.
Same! 😭
Because Aragorn is validating what they have lived through :') so many great characters
It's such a great scene. Then I see Pippin beaming off to the side and start giggling through the tears.
And EVERYONE bows, without hesitation. These four are, in most ‘conventional’ ways, completely beneath them, but everyone present knows they saved the world!!! Epic! Tolkien’s lesson, that the least among us still have value, is vividly illustrated!!
I always took Sam’s reaction after the ring is destroyed as him finally allowing himself to feel everything. He was in survival mode and trying to keep Frodo’s spirit up as well as watch his back the entire time. He kept his promise until the end, faced down and fought creatures bigger than himself and lost a friend (they don’t know Gandalf is alive). On that rock he finally could rest and feel the weight of everything, express his regrets and honest feelings, etc.
THIS
That’s so deep, what a reflection! This makes me wonder how the people in my life who might be like this and I have no ideaaa how badly they’re coping and hiding it until it feels safe to release it all like Sam on the rock 😢 cuz I always thought Sam was to “strong” for constantly being there for Frodo both emotionally speaking and nurturing - like a mother and also protective - like a father, if that makes sense. But what if what I perceive as being “strong” is just a brave face they put on ????
@redluv123 that's a possibility. Especially for someone seen as "strong." They are less likely to be inquired about or have help offered to them because in the outside they look like they are doing well. It never hurts to have a sincere check-in with friends and loved ones.
@@Cha-LlinTHIS 🧡
You could make 100 more videos on the LOTR and I'd watch every one of them, and cry every time just like I did with this one, and the ones prior. Best movies ever.
same ToT
Yes please. I will always cry while watching this masterpiece!
Sam took the physical load of the journey, literally when carrying Frodo up the mountain, but Frodo took the mental and emotional load...Imagine knowing the fate of the world is in your hands all while an unseen force is tormenting you. You get stabbed and almost die, attacked by insane creatures you've never seen before. Frodo was a true hero who showed immense resilience
And it's telling that it's a heavy enough burden that it requires *two* people to carry it.
And Frodo lived with the consequences forever. Sam went on with his life, to have a family and home and joy and peace. That's also Frodo's gift to him, his insistence on wearing it the entire time.
@@tanadarko6991 Sam was also affected and left Middle Earth after he grew old
The scene that sticks with me the most is when Frodo is sitting in his home at the end and writes down in the book that Time cannot mend all wounds, that some go too deep.
Basically mirroring the fact that people cannot just get over trauma or PTSD just by time alone, and even heroes are not invincible to something so human. It really just stuck with me that scene.
Frodo also carried the physical burden of the ring, not just the emotional. the ring grew heavier as they got closer to Mordor and Frodo is physically wasting away as the journey progresses. It's more evident in the books than in the movies. When Sam picks Frodo up and carries him up mount doom, he realizes how thin and light Frodo has become and carries him easily, with little effort.
Tolkien said in letters that it was understood to be highly unlikely that anyone could succeed because of the corrupting power of the ring. Anyone subjected to it long enough would fail and in the heart of Mt. Doom, the ring's place of power, failure was guaranteed. The whole idea, however, was the hope that if they could get it to Mt. Doom, evil would undo itself by it's own machinations, which it did. Frodo knew he was on a mission which he couldn't succeed at pretty much from the start, but he was the only one who could resist long enough to get the ring where it needed to be to let things take their natural course.
As a devout Christian, Tolkien said this was basically the idea that you have to go as far as you can, trusting that God will tend to his own affairs. In a more secular attitude, no one is expected to be perfect; you're just expected to do your best.
Trying and probably failing rather than not trying at all, so definitely failing...
About meeting God halfway 😊
I love his letters so much.
Isn't that great that believers and non-believers can agree on this to believe that this is the best way? Just try to do your best ❤
It's comments like these that make me wish I could highlight comments for other people. This is perfectly stated. Thanks for sharing.
The scene where Frodo wishes the ring had never come to him changed my outlook on life. In high school I was diagnosed with dystonia and Fibromyalgia, even while people weren't taking me serious about my symptoms. Gandalf reassuring Frodo as he did felt like he was talking to me, and has helped me remember that I can either gripe and moan about it, or I can get on and live my life the best I can. I have a husband, a 4 year old daughter, a small business, and 2 degrees. Life isn't easy, but I'd say it's worth living.
i also have a chronic illness and chronic pain and i feel this so hard. seeing frodo continue on with his journey even as he's suffering so much in a way no one else can understand or even see...it hits so hard.
The movies are FILLED with lessons like that, but that one is most explicit, which is why I watch them every year at Christmastime, to start the new year with hope and optimism.
I've met some pacients with fibromyalgia, always tears me to hear about how much pain and suffering they have to go through. I'm so happy to hear it from you, continue to be strong and continue to be brave
The older you get the more heroic Frodo becomes to you. He was always fine to me in my youth, but over the decades I’ve come to appreciate his sacrifice and courage and strength.
I want to hear more about Sam
Sam is the true mvp
Well said. Frodo epitomizes a hero (at least for me). Sometimes people think that those who admire heroes or want to be like one are somehow narcissistic or something, because they figure that they want the "glory" or "prestige" of heroism, but that couldn't be farther from the truth, as it wasn't for Frodo. Because, as you say, he SACRIFICED himself for others, putting his life on the line to solve a big problem for the world, suffering profusely in the process. That's not egotistical -- it's the opposite! That's what makes him so inspiring and someone worth emulating. That coupled with his ambitiousness (to destroy THE ring of rings), his adventurousness (to undertake such a legendary journey), and his tenacity to get the "job" done (a true "struggler"), and it's hard not to like the guy. I recently got asked again who my favorite character was in an interview and I chose Frodo (again). Easily the best hero!
As a kid, you don't like Frodo because he's not a typical, cool, in control, hero. He's a good yet flawed person who did his best and just wanted to do the right thing. When you grow up, you realize that's what matters most, do your best.
Was I the only kid who's favorite character was Frodo? lol
Nope, he was my favorite too. I loved Aragorn for his bravery and skills, I adored Frodo for being kind and doing the right thing in hard circumstances.
I balled like a dang baby when I read the end of The Two Towers, when Frodo is "dead" after the fight with Shelob and Sam has to go on alone. I would have put Alan to shame. My mom had to encourage me to keep reading, or I might have just stopped there. I was gutted.
I saw Fellowship when I was about 11 or 12.... And I had a huge crush on Frodo. I thought he was SO CUTE and soft, nice and gentle men have been my type ever since 😂
@@Christina-xc7on Me too!
I always believed Frodo did succeed due to what someone once called a 'prior achievement': because he spared Gollum's life, the ring was destroyed.
Oh I like this. Even though he wavered in the moment, his compassion and gentleness was still kind of what saved the world 🥲
That's always been my take too. If they had killed or abandoned Gollum earlier Frodo would have just put the ring on and been gone forever. It's only because he saved and repeatedly spared Gollum that he was there to lead to that final conflict which saw the ring go into the fire.
@@Koalavater Exactly. Also the final scene on Mount Doom is literally showing how it took ALL THREE ringbearers (Gollum, Frodo, and Sam) to finish the task. It was a culmination of all the suffering and efforts they had all been through to make it to the end, and I think it's beautiful and poignant.
True, i think that's what the writer want us to understand..sometimes doing the moral things can help you later in a way you could never predict..
Totally - and not only Frodo's but Bilbo's as well. Gandalf says this well in the caves that Bilbo's pity would shape the future.
After watching this, and your other LOTR videos, I'd love to see an analysis of male intimacy in this franchise. There's so much healthy intimacy showcased between all these characters and it's such a wonderful thing to see, especially amidst such an epic story. These quieter moments are what really pull everything together for me.
As much as LGBT representation is important, I think that trying to use that to describe the relationship between these characters really harms the importance of true friendship. Intimacy can exist without romance, and without the implication of physical intimacy, and I think our culture has forgotten that.
@@VaryaEQ I completely agree with you, and was not trying to suggest anything further than friendship. Hence why I said healthy intimacy, not a perceived romantic intimacy. I really respect the types of friendships and relationships cultivated in LOTR, especially since there are still societies/people who look down upon and mock any kind of intimacy between men, even when simply providing comfort or support as is often the case in LOTR. I think a discussion about toxicity vs intimacy would be very interesting; Aragorn, and the hobbits especially, would be great topic points as they showcase a lot of emotion and vulnerability, which is not exactly common in epic fantasy (or many other genres for that matter). Even just comparing Tolkien's dwarves vs elves in terms of open displays of emotion and intimacy would be a good discussion point.
Many of this aspects are already in the Aragon video, right?
I second that!!! :) It could be a compilation of healthy male companionship in movies...
I just loved how at the end when Frodo is on the boat smiling to his friends, he looks younger, untroubled and clean again. All the trauma has been lifted from him and its a beautiful end scene for him.
Fun fact: That was the first scene the Hobbits shot together.
Can't agree. He basically suffered from PTSD, almost no emotions in his face anymore, desperate to seek salvation. The end scene always breaks my heart.
I can't praise Howard Shore enough for the LOTR soundtrack. The Shire theme will always make me tear up when i hear it. Every aspect of these movies is a masterclass.
I will be getting married to my high school sweetheart of 10 years this April and the song I'm walking the aisle to is Concerning Hobbits (the shire theme)❤
@@OneWholeCabbageWOW!!!! I don't think there's a more beautiful melody to walk down the aisle to. I hope you have an incredible day. Congratulations.🥰
I love soo much that song that is the main island tune for my island in Animal Crossing
We briefly considered the Rohan theme as our wedding recessional, but we went with the live bagpiper instead. :) @@OneWholeCabbage
Yup, I dare say that Howard Shore contributed about as much to making the movies great as Peter Jackson.
It sounds tough, but I have studied sound design, and I can tell you that I've almost never seen music that is this good at creating emotions.
I'm quite confident in saying that Shore is the greatest movie composer thus far.
(Or I haven't heard the best yet ^^)
I really feel like at this point, we need a completed series on each LotR characters. Each one is so well written and so well acted, they each deserve their own
This. Every bit this.
@@Karajorma I don't like the way they turned Gimli into comic relief. In the books he was a noble, honorable, subtle, and clever warrior. None of that came through in the movies. And there are other choices I don't agree with. But I agree that they were amazing movies.
I would watch every single one of these.
@@Valdagast IDK I mean Gimli was funny - but he was also a badass hero in the movies. He even beat out Legolas in short-range combat in one of the wars. And Galadriel gave him THREE of her hairs - something she denied others in the past. He overcame intense, deep, lifelong racism to become best friends with an elf. He was emotional, passionate, loyal, brave - he never wavered. His comic relief was that he would have moments that were ABSOLUTELY REASONABLE - just running into a ghost cave?? I mean come on. He was frightened and he did it anyway. Running for days at a time? That's crazy nonsense! Gimli was us. He had very reasonable complaints but then pushed through and did the impossible anyway. Also he can get drunk if he throws back 25 pints.
EXACTLY!!
What I always took away was that Frodo never gave up on Sméagol because he needed to believe that he could be redeemed. He saw in Sméagol what could happen to himself. Frodo needed to know that he could come back from this journey as a Ringbearer in one piece.
It was also interesting to see how the 4 Hobbits reacted to the kneeling. Pipen was all "yea! I earned this!" Merry was "OK yea this was worth it" Sam was "woah what's happening this is weird" and frodo was right in the middle knowing that he deserves it but also knowing that everyone else deserves as much. And that is really honoring the characters and keeping to their mindset which is amazing acting
And sams just thinking abt potatoes
YES!! More Lord of the Rings content! You could make a thousand episodes from these films alone. They are still my favorite films to this day. ❤️
Same here. Still our favorite films!
YES! Please do more movies for Tolkien!! I love them so much.
Yes please do The Hobbit! There is so much wonderful life lessons and teachings there too!
It's my favourite book of all time and I don't care what anyone says, I adored the movies.
Martin Freeman did an amazing job as Bilbo, I couldn't think of anyone better!
@@CinemaTherapyShowwe need a Pippin episode!
@@kingblanketfortagreed, he was absolutely perfect for the role
Frodo's growing appreciation and love for Sam always gets me.
At the end of the first film, Frodo says: "Sam, I'm glad you're with me."
At the end of the third film, he says: "I'm glad to be with you, Samwise Gamgee."
In the books, if I remember well, Frodo was a sort of protector to Sam before everything started, he was always there for him, helping him out.
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No matter how many times I read the books or watch the films, I am always struck by how there's always someone who has noticed something that I never would have. Thank you for sharing this profoundly subtle observation.
That's amazing, thanks for sharing! I never noticed that. Now I have another tidbit of LOTR trivia to tell other people about
I might have gone teary eyed reading this ❤
@@susannarierahe's older, I think, as well.
The older I get, the more I understand Frodo. He was a gentle soul that had to live through trials and heartache that no one else could understand.
That final shot of Frodo on the boat to the Gray Havens gets me every time. The peace he already has, just from leaving middle earth, and his smile that once again, at long last, looks a little like the carefree hobbit from the very beginning of the trilogy.
I reached a certain point where I feel like I basically became Frodo in my own life, and I understand him so well the whole story breaks my heart every time. That final shot of him smiling back at them makes me cry so hard. What I wouldn't give to feel that relief. To know, that finally, I can breathe easy again.
Cinematherapy is never late, fellow CZcamsrs. Nor is it early. It arrives precisely when it means to - this episode is exactly what I need after a long day of work, thanks a lot Alan and Jono! ❤️
But I think we didn't see Gandalf in this video. 😂😅
I meant the pet dog. His name is Gandalf, right?
Well said
@@divyadharshani0512 yes, it's Gandalf. He was probably busy doing very important dog things ;)
Hey. That is.. so true. And I am confused, now.
Frodo was my first ever crush as a little girl. As an adult, when I watch the films, I almost cry when I see how happy Frodo is in the beginning of the story. He’s unaware of how broken he’ll be by the end, how traumatic and life-altering the journey ahead will be for him. He literally cannot heal from the wounds he suffered during the journey and I appreciate that it’s a somewhat realistic take on how trauma can follow us and change us forever. I wish he chose to stay in the Shire, but I understand why he decided not to.
All the hobbits when they return really…they’re so broken from what they’ve gone through that they can’t truly return to life in the Shire, at least not right away. In the books, this was the Scouring of the Shire; in the movie, it’s the sequence where the four are in the Green Dragon and they’re not participating in socializing with anyone else.
Okay same! While all the other girls were swooning over Ben affleck in Pearl Harbor, I was crushing on Frodo Baggins 😆 …well to be fair, Elijah Wood, but still not everyone’s first choice back in the day. I still stand by it 😉
I think that's why the Concerning Hobbits theme makes me cry every time I hear it. It's a reminder of the innocence and peace that they are choosing to leave behind, and never get back. We can't stay innocent forever, and experience makes us wiser. But there's something so sad about the loss of innocence.
@@karlobrien5530Indeed. Eventually, both Frodo and Sam sailed away to the West, while Merry and Pippin spent their last years in Gondor. None of them stayed in the Shire permanently after their return, as they had all irrevocably changed and were no longer ordinary hobbits at peace in the Shire when they were aware of and had made connections and went through so much in the outside world.
@@12classics39 Right! And I think that was conveyed solidly in the movies with Frodo finally being happy to let his friends know he’s ok as he sets off with Bilbo and co.
Frodo being so cheerful and full of life at the beginning of the film to struggling to smile at the end devastates me everytime. He didn't quite understand what he was getting in to but he did it anyway because it was the right thing to do and he refused to give up
“What must I do?” Is such an important line to me ❤ such perfect, beautiful bravery
It really is!
The scene where Aragorn kneels and the camera pushes in on the hobbits, the entire movie theater erupted in cheers and applause. It was euphoric to experience that in the theater.
I wish I was old enough to have seen it there. I would have been 5 years old. Still, watching it now I think I can imagine just how it felt.
I didn’t get why merry and pippan were included.
@@dodgyyoutuber9560 bc they helped defeat isengard and saruman
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They convinced/kinda tricked Treebeard to take a sidequest by Isengard. Knocking out an Orc outpost.
@@karmaalstad5588 Ja that was great, but no more useful than gandalf’s or aragorn’s etc’s contributions. It felt like they were placed beside frodo and sam just cos they were also widdle hobbits
Frodo gets more hate and less credit because the majority of his battle is mental and emotional. Although we have made some progress as a society, there is still a portion that looks down on those who suffer in silence. Silent pain is still pain, and it is amazing that Frodo made it all the way to Mordor carrying that weight (with Sam's help of course).
Please make videos on everything in LotR, I love watching them. Some of the best movies ever made.
true, but also because they basically removed or changed every single of his "hero scenes"...
the attack at weathertop:
Movie: he panics, puts the ring on and tries to crawl away
Book: he panics, puts the ring on, realizes that the riders manipulated him into doing it and attacks them
fleeing to rivendell
Movie: gets carried by aragorn and arwen for about a day
Book: rides the pony for 14 days, then switches to glorfindels horse, rides alone to flee from the wraiths and after passing the ford at rivendell, right before passing out draws his sword to stop the wraiths from crossing
shelob:
Movie: runs away
book: draws his sword and attacks shelob with sword and light
It's very interesting that in the books at the end of the Return of the King it makes a point to say how the hobbits of the Shire saw Merry and Pippin and Sam as their heroes, while Frodo was largely forgotten. I see the same thing among real life Tolkien fans. I wonder if Tolkien knew he was writing a character that would challenge our ideas about what a hero should look like.
I think tolkien put lots of his actual experience in wartime in the character.
@@Glimmlampe1982He did. The marshes being what it looked like in WW1. Frodo not feeling quite himself in the shire, after his journey, much like Tolkien's PTSD after the war.
@@Langley_Ackerman19 the marshes I dont know. I think he said the closed thing to an actual description of a real world place was Gorgoroth, as it was like no mans land in the battle of the somme
I disagree. There are many instances of Frodo showing bravery, that were either not shown in the movies or given to other characters (e.g. it was him who stood up against the nine at the Ford of Bruinen or at Weathertop). As a result, Sam is given more credit whilst Frodo is given less and as a result many people that are mostly familar with the movies, tend to think like you suggested. However, this is not the case for the older parts of the fandom or for people who have read the books.
Also, do not forget that the Shire folk did not consider any of them heroes for what they did outside the Shire. Quite frankly, they had no idea what was going on. They became heroes for their deeds in cleansing the Shire, in which Frodo took little part
I was already tearing at the end of this video. But when Jonathan says that Frodo honors himself in the end and asks his friends to do the same in accepting his leaving I literally just started bawling. I’ve never seen it that way and now I need to go rewatch and reinterpret because that’s mad beautiful dude 28:00
my favorite thing about frodo is his compassion/hope for sméagol. he sees what sméagol has become and hopes he can change, because he knows what the ring does to people. he hopes that it’s not too late for himself as well.
Frodo also sees himself in Sméagol. Which is part of the reason why he filled on Sam (the other part being the influence of the ring). He saw the possibility of what he could become
@@riakun _"The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many"_ isn't just talking about the general population of Middle Earth. Frodo starts out wishing that Bilbo had killed Gollum. If he hadn't reconsidered the role of pity in that moment, it's very likely he would have had more of Sam's reaction. He doesn't initially see any similarities between himself and Gollum, doesn't see the difference between Smeagol and Gollum. In realizing the importance of pity and compassion, he saved himself as much as he saved anyone else.
@@LittleHobbit13Well said! Seeing someone as reprehensible as Sméagol , then admitting to yourself that part of you is like him, is a huge and uncomfortable growth step. Not very many of us would take that step. It says a lot of positive things about Frodo that he did.
In the books even more so, Frodo is incredibly brave and strong. He saved his friends from the Barrow, he had to endure a burden that absolutely no one else could manage. He basically died at Weathertop and could never find peace after enduring torment for so long. The way he gets sidelined for other characters is appalling and really shows how little people understand suffering, addiction, and honor.
Yeah honestly! I know a lot of people like Aragon and Legolas because their pretty but I would prefer Frodo any day!
It's like that in the books once they return to the shire - The other hobbits sideline Frodo's role, in part because Merry and Pipin liberated the Shire from Saruman making them very visibly heroes. The shire, even under Saruman, seems so sheltered from what the rest of middle earth was going through, they have no idea of the bigger picture and Frodo's fundamental role in it.
I think the push in on Sam in their final moments on the mountain also alludes to the fact that Sam never really lost hope. He was always there to be Frodo’s guiding force and to remind him of home when Frodo couldn’t see it himself. Without hope it is extremely difficult to keep going. I think that also says something so wonderful about how much companionship means to all of us. We need someone to remind us of what we’re missing
I was there at the birth of FIGWIT and I am stoked that Alan knows about him.
Also, Howard Shore's soundtrack is a character in this movie.
And Frodo IS great.
And I love how the cast are still best friends after all these years.
That figwit part took me back to highschool when I was deep in the fandom, reading all the secret diaries of, the care and feeding of hobbits etc. 😂
i'm not that much of a hardcore fan, I'd me much thankful if you could tell me who the heck is Figwit XD
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@annakareninacamara6580 it's a character that has only one line but people liked him for some reason and he became a bit of a meme. Figwit stands for "Frodo Is Great but Who Is This". Afaik the actor plays Lindir in the hobbit movies, but I may be wrong about that.
@@AnnekeOosterink oooh thank you!
Frodo and Sam, quite possibly the best Bro’s ever shown on TV. Overcoming trust issues, being vulnerable with their emotions, and showing balancing each others traits with justice and forgiveness. Almost like Tolkien was trying to tell us something…
I agree with you!!!!
Even RRR is a far second to this amazing friendship.
Totally. Even early on, Frodo is Wingman for Sam by coaxing him to ask that girl for a dance at Bilbo's Birthday cos she's been checking him out.
@@tanadarko6991what is RRR?
It always hits me when I realise that Tolkien fought in WW1. He would have experienced those scenes with his comrades… humbling and devastating to think that very young men were going through that. 😢
Man, LOTR is a balm for the soul. It's got me through some very dark times. I relate so much to Frodo wishing the ring never came to him. It's such an accurate depiction of grief and PTSD. And Gandalf's response is profound ❤
Even as a child, Frodo was one of my favorite characters. The reason for this was that I thought he was brave, mentally strong, and, if we look at how he treats Gollum, very capable of empathy to give him compassion as well. In any case, I've never been able to explain it properly in any other way. I am very happy that you made a video about him.
Frodo is my favorite too. I guess all the hate on him made me appreciate him more.
Aw man, every time I stopped crying while watching this video, you guys went and showed another clip and I started crying again!! 😭 But that's because I love these movies/this story so, so much. Thanks for giving Frodo the love and honor he deserves!
We totally get that feeling. Thanks for watching! :)
The looks from the characters, when Frodo declares that he will take the ring to Mordor, are all fantastic. You both nailed the look that Aragorn gives, perfectly cuing the audience into his admiration of the hobbits increasing. I have always seen Gimli's look as the most important, though. For me, Gimli giving a smile with his eyes is recognition...because I'm sure that his father told him about the journey to Erebor as part of the 'company of Thorin Oakenshield, which obviously would have included Bilbo and his courage throughout the events. So, Gimli's look has always seemed like him getting confirmation of his father's description of a hobbit's courage and character.
I really like that take on Gimli's look
Bravo. After all these years, I can humbly admit, I never thought about that. I'm sure you have broached an idea few have.
Beautifully put. I had not thought about that, thanks for your insights. It's like the hero from your bedtime stories who couldn't possibly be as good or as brave as the old legends say, and you go on a quest with his nephew and learn how true it all is. That's wonderful.
I love the cinematography in the shot on the Ring while the Council is arguing about who will take it to Mordor. Frodo hears them all arguing, but the way of displaying his realization that the Ring would tear them apart by showing their reflections IN the Ring is perfect. Then having them engulfed in flames just to drive the point home.
Same. One of my favorite shots in the movie.
Growing up is realising what a legend Frodo really is.
People always point to Sam as a hero because he emotionally and physically supports Frodo through the worst part of the journey, and he does heroic things like fighting orcs and Shelob to rescue Frodo from Cirith Ungol. But Frodo also exemplifies that deepest of heroic virtues: self-sacrifice.
He may not be a fighter or a king, but he volunteered to take the Ring simply because he saw what it was doing to the people around him. He was willing to go all the way to Mordor alone to spare the rest of the Fellowship the danger of being corrupted by the Ring. He bore the physical weight of the Ring across a continent, as well as the psychological burdens of its evil. By the end of Fellowship, he was pretty certain that he was going to die on his quest. And then when Gollum shows up, it's made even worse because he realizes that something even worse than death could happen to him. But he kept going anyway, despite knowing the risk.
As a kid, I looked up to characters like Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam for their virtuous actions and vulnerability. Tolkien has this remarkable ability of writing timeless characters that resonate with people for generations after his time. This was a great video, God bless y'all, and thank you for what y'all do!
I believe they were based on people he knew and his experiences during WW1…
On a side note about Frodo not throwing the Ring in, Tolkien himself said that no one would ever be able to willingly throw the Ring in. Its will and power is too strong.
I made an interesting realization when rewatching Lord of The Rings recently that I didn't realize until I was older. I used to be very frustrated with Frodo - but before he gets the ring Frodo is much more confident in himself than Sam is. Sam flourished being the support. Had the ring been given to Sam I don't think he would have made it with the lack of confidence he had in the beginning. His confidence grew exponentially understanding there were things Frodo was unable to do and in turn he realized he could do things like Frodo did before getting the ring. Like the difference between Sam in the beginning versus the end with Rosie Cotton completely different!
I will never ever ever get over how much I absolutely adore these films.
Same!
I was 11 when these films came out, and they absolutely blew my mind. They were my hyperfixation for years, and my utter comfort. I still feel so lucky to have had them at that time in my life, and it is astounding the amount of talent and dedication that hundreds of people put into creating these
Same for me! And couldn’t agree more!
9:49 - It's fitting that you say this whole bit, because in the final chapters of Return of the King, Samwise has this exact feeling. When the four hobbits are rallying the people of the Shire, Sam notices that the people are especially in awe of him, and Merry and Pippin. In Sam's internal monologue, he admits that it bothers him that the people pay less attention to Frodo. Sam, more than anyone, knows just how much Frodo went through, and what a great hero he really was; he feels that Frodo should receive the same admiration, if not more, than the other three hobbit adventurers.
So. Samwise Gamgee approves of your assessment. 👍
(Anyway, I'm still watching the video. Back to it.)
i literally burst into tears every time i see frodo smile and look back at his friends when he's boarding the ship to the undying lands. it just levels me every time, how great the toll of the journey, and how he is finally at peace.
"One mistake doesn't undo your honour" - honestly, I just love your channel. Thanks for putting truth, beauty, and hope out there into the world.
It makes me sad when people hate on Frodo for being 'weak' or 'useless'. I relate to his struggles very much, and, in an age of bombastic, explosive movies with a deluge of 'heroes' who seem callous, unfeeling, or even cruel, his gentleness and caring nature feels refreshing. [As a side note, could you guys do some videos on Good Omens and Nimona, which are two of my favourite stories? Please and thank you.]
Oh, I second Nimona.
Nimona, hell ya
I third Nimina. Watched it one night, then said to my husband the next night, “Here’s a good movie we should watch!” So I had an excuse to watch it again.
Yes! Let's do Good Omens and Nimona! Awesome suggestions
It doesn't help that Frodo is deliberately diminished by the screenwriters at every turn. Whenever they want to build other characters up such as Arwen, Frodo is always the one who is made to look weak, falling over and cowering behind the others. He doesn't get to save the other hobbits at the barrow, he doesn't get to defy the Ringwraiths at the Ford, he doesn't get to stab the cave troll's foot (all things that he did do in the books). And on, and on, and bloody on. I love the movies but they are so frustrating, mainly for this!
I am so excited to see this. It has become very popular to disregard Frodo's internal struggle in the face of Sam's obvious loveliness. But Frodo has always held my heartstrings, as his silent suffering mimicked so much about how depression can really function. I adore him
I always cry like a baby at the last smile Frodo gives Sam, Merry and Pippin because, to me, it’s the smile we saw before the Ring came into his life; the happy, light, maybe not carefree, but unburdened smile of someone who is beginning their journey to try and heal, but also loves their companions so very much. It’s a loving smile. It’s a grateful smile - it’s the most Frodo-like smile since the first film and it’s the last time we see his face. So while it may not be a traditional happy ending, we know it’s *his* happy ending.
I love how Jono has automatically responds to Alan's 'Galadriel might be better than Jesus' with 'No' but immediately supplies it with a 'well...' because it's Galadriel, that floored me.
"If Sam and Frodo had been compassionate to Smeagol, Gollum may never have come back"
^^ YES, THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS!! There is actually a scene in the books where Smeagol is contemplating the betrayal he's planning and he's comparing it to his growing loyalty to Frodo, but Sam mistakes it as bad intentions and insults him until Gollum takes over. Tolkien even wrote in one of his letters that he believes that scene to be crucial to the next events with Shelob, and that if Sam had not insulted Gollum, things may have gone differently. It still wouldn't have been a happy ending for Gollum because his life is so deeply tied with the ring, but Tolkien himself said it's one of the saddest moments in the entire trilogy to him.
"The Ring is treacherous. It will hold you to your word."
Frodo doesn't say "I will" but "it will" and in the end, it does. Great stuff.
I always found this part really fascinating when Sméagol attacks Frodo outside mount doom.
“Then suddenly, as before under the eaves of the Emyn Muil, Sam saw these two rivals with other vision. A crouching shape, scarcely more than the shadow of a living thing, a creature now wholly ruined and defeated, yet filled with a hideous lust and rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire. Out of the fire there spoke a commanding voice.
‘Begone, and trouble me no more! If you ever touch me again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Mt. Doom.’
The crouching shape backed away, terror in its blinking eyes, and yet at the same time insatiable desire.
Then the vision passed and Sam saw Frodo standing, hand on breast, his breath coming in great gasps, and Gollum at his feet, resting on his knees with his wide-splayed hands upon the ground.”
Honor is: 1) Radical acceptance, 2) Doing what must be done, 3) Using your time to make a difference, 4) Doing right by others & giving them a chance (w/o naively trusting & being taken advantage of), 5) Sharing Credit of Success, 6) Finding the inner strength to see things through, 7) Mourning with & comforting others, and 8) Accepting praise with humility.
Lord of the Rings will forever make me cry 😭 J.R.R. Tolkien always understood the beauty of being our own with great love. How incredible even our day-to-day lives are. And how important it is to choose the small and weaker things over the privileged and easily accessible, simply because it’s kinder.
In the LOTRs trilogy Aragorn kneels and bows to Frodo three times. I think this really says something about
Aragorn and Frodo.🙂 Aragorn is the heir to the throne Gondor yet he bows to a hobbit. A true warrior, king , and man of wisdom and honor. Aragorn sees who Frodo really is and knows his value.
The Galadriel scene works because we need it to. Because in that moment the audience needs that little piece of hope right along with Frodo in order to keep going. We want it to work so it works. Otherwise it would be too much darkness and hopelessness all at once and it would be a very depressing movie
You guys are meant to be keeping us out of therapy. Jonathan's Frodo impression has scarred me for life! It's terrifying 😂
Edited to request a full rewatch of the extended triology together! No psychology, just a movie night lol
I always thought it was so important that when Frodo was hanging off the cliff inside Mount Doom, he reached for Sam's hand BEFORE the ring slipped into the lava and melted. He made the choice to move on from the ring before it was destroyed, when it still could have had power over him. I've always thought there was so much courage and honor in that, and I see in it a parallel to anyone struggling with addictions or mental health problems.
That's a really interesting point
I think the ending with Frodo giving in to the temptation is the most powerful scene. To the audience it feels like a betrayal. He was the hero. We went through all this so he could save the day. Yet in the end the darkness was too strong. It made him human and relatable. He did great things and still technically failed.
Honor is not always doing the right thing all the time. To do so would require you to make conscious choices all the time and the human brain doesn't do that. We act on subconscious urges. So honor is in recognizing a problem or admitting a wrongdoing and working to mend it.
The dedication to the LOTR movies by everyone involved is unparalleled in anything else I've seen.
In the farewell words of John Rhys-Davies (Gimli & Treebeard) when praising the crew especially for their devotion and hard work, their passion and sacrifice, skill and craft: "You won't find that in L.A."
Tolkien once wrote about how stories that he loved were ones of the extraordinary being thrust upon the ordinary, and them rising to meet the challenge. It inspires us, that perhaps we might be able to overcome such challenges as well. Frodo succeeding in such an honourable way will always be one of my favourite stories ever.
All the hobbits rose to the occasion.
Another reason the camera focuses on Sam’s reaction after they destroy the ring is because his part in the story will go on while Frodo has finished his journey. He has a wife and family and lives a great long life in the shire before sailing to the Undying Lands at the end of his life to reunite with Frodo. Frodo says, “The shire has been saved. But not for me”. He gave up everything so Sam could have an amazing life. That’s sacrifice. And these are tears on my face 😅🥲
The comment I've seen many times is that if you were to say Frodo is weak, Sam Gamgee would be the first one in line to kick your butt!
The movies didn't spell it out, but I'm glad that they showed how very young Frodo is for a hobbit. His party with Bilbo was a celebration of his coming of age - and at 50, he would be considered in the prime of life. He's not a kid anymore, but he's no ancient either.
Yeah, it's sobering to remember how young Frodo is in all this. He sets off at 50, and the overall journey takes roughly a year. He spends another year living at Bag End with Sam and Rosie until he finally decides to leave. Hobbits on average live to be over 100, which means he gave up about half his life for this quest. _"But I have been too deeply hurt, Sam. I tried to save the Shire, and it has been saved, but not for me. It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them."_
(And random fun film fact I always love: Elijah was the youngest Hobbit actor playing the oldest Hobbit, and Billy was the oldest Hobbit actor playing the youngest Hobbit!)
THANK YOU. You guys pretty much echoed my sentiments when talking about how people propped Sam up as the hero while tearing Frodo down. While Sam is obviously the reason they're able to finish the final stretch of their journey in Mt. Doom, it's fairly obvious that they wouldn't even got to that point without Frodo's leadership, patience, perseverance, and sympathy/empathy. All of which is the defining qualities of a hero. Frodo is THE Hero of the Fellowship for me, and he always will be.
Yeah, just because Sam can be underrated, doesn't mean that Frodo is overrated.
Team Frodo here too!!
Yeah, and let’s be honest: a major part of Sam’s strength and heroism came from the fact that he wanted to protect and support Frodo. I wonder if he would’ve had the determination to finish the task without Frodo
Frodo's strength helps them start the journey, while Sam's strength helps them finish it. It's not to say that Frodo's strength failed or that Sam's strength was initially lacking, but rather they needed each other to see the journey through. Just as Gandalf counseled Elrond in forming the Fellowship, "in this matter it would be well to trust rather to their friendship". Yes, they wouldn't have gotten so far without Frodo's qualities, but in turn he himself acknowledges "Frodo wouldn't have gotten far without Sam."
@@Pa5an1 he wants to protect Frodo because, before the ring, Frodo was Sam's protector, and he gets back to that role as soon as the ring is destroyed. Sam is a loyal friend, the best friend you can get.
"I can both emotionally invest in a scene and go, I wonder how the hell they did that." YES! As I've grown in my acting & writing career, I've developed that double train of thought. Rather than reducing acting to the mechanics behind the performance, actor training has actually helped me appreciate performance even more because I know the work required.
i know this is a little old video... BUT I was just on a lotr binge (yet again) and i found this video. i have to add:
Movie Frodo (have not read the books) is my ultimate hero. *BECAUSE* i see his character being kind of a metaphor for someone going through depression/anxiety/ ptsd/grief7mental illness etc... and how people like that, who has an invisible scar, and a heavy burden they carry, often gets overlooked how strong they actually are. because you can't see the strength in the same way, as we can with Sam. because it's all inside. yet, he has the strength to keep walking. he even runs up the mountain the last bit. He had a will to see this through, even though it nearly took his life, and in one way, it did. he tried to heal, but years later he still had that burden. the wound. the scar. and he had to leave and die peacefully. the inner strength it takes to just get up, and not die or fall into the void, when you have all the things listen above, it requires the biggest strength. yet, so many in the fandom, gives frodo sh!t for being "weak" or failing once he is inside mount doom. ONE weak moment does not undo your character. Just mirroring the real world, of how people treat someone who is sick with something they can't see, vs maybe someone who broke their leg or has cancer, or something easy to SEE. you are treated with respect and help, but NOT if you carry PTSD or grief or mental illness. so in this way, frodo is a huge inspiration to me. i don't see him as weak at all. The ring could represent being hit with depression. and naturally the person carrying this "ring" will look weaker, than the friend walking beside you, not having the ring, and just watching you fall into the rings power - depression. is the friend then stronger ? is sam stronger bc he is beside the ringbearer? no. but he gets all the credit sometimes.
must must must pull myself together and read the books one day soon 🌺
Jono...you saying 'since I can't change this fate, what can I do to be the best version of me' reminds me of another video (A Marriage Story) where you said 'This is not what I wanted, this is not what I would have chosen for myself, but this is my reality'. BTW-those words have helped me so many times dealing with my PTSD and my mental health.
Very much the same for me, great comment
Great video lads! Frodo's vision of Galadriel works so well for me because up to that point Frodo has been gradually getting further away from the lush greenery of the Shire and Lothlorien, and further into a cold, dark, inhospitable landscape. It happens so gradually through the films that I sometimes overlook how horrible Mordor is, then to suddenly see green grass, trees and natural sunlight jolts me and makes me understand the awful nature of the journey made by these nature-loving hobbits
One reason why this trilogy and especially Frodo is so dear to my heart is bc in his journey with the ring, always being temped by the call of evil and always being supported and saved by his friends and by his own strength, I recognise my battle with depression. I’ve never seen him as weak or not brave enough. I’ve always been confused by some of my friends saying that he whines too much. I think nobody who can really relate to him would call him weak. I love him and Sam and the whole fellowship just so much. Thank u for talking about them. 🥰💜
"Rosie Cotton dancing..." I think another note struck here by looking at Sam and having him say this is Life and the Generative Force. Sam is thinking of (and grieving) his future, of loving and being loved, and gardening, and nurturing all the products of his love. Frodo sees places, Sam sees people.
How much more powerful, then, that the movie (and the story) end with Sam returning to wife and children and garden, and he gets to have that future he thought was lost.
*sniff* I'm not crying, you're crying!
Love you guys! Thanks for the analysis!
"I can't carry it for you, Master Frodo. But I can carry you." While Frodo's perservance was admirable, he likely wouldn't have gotten far had it not been for Samwise being with him, almost every step of the way. His loyalty and dedication to Frodo served him well, leading to his own happy ending.
That's true, and that's why Sam is considered by many the actual hero of this trilogy, however we must be careful not to praise Sam by tearing down Frodo. Yes Frodo couldn't have done it without Sam but no one other than him, that is including Sam, could've actually been able to carry the ring, he was the only one who could carry that burden, and he did it willingly, knowing exactly what it meant. Even in the unlikely event of success he would never be the same again, he would be scarred forever, he pretty much sacrificed himself to save the world. I think only people who have gone through some kind of trauma can fully aprecciate what Frodo was going through and how admirably he behaved despite that.
They are both needed and important, in the end though Frodo pays the highest price. Either way Frodo accepts and understands what he has to do and is also able to feel compassion for Smeagol who is also extremely important as he leads the way and serve as a constant reminder of what the ring can do to people. That compassion, understanding and fight to do right is leading Frodo. Sam is incredibly loyal to Frodo and it’s his loyalty, stubborness and fierce comraderie that pushes him forward but for Frodo it’s the understanding of what’s at stake and need to work against the threat against the people he loves and the world as a whole. Nobody is forgetting about Sam who is an amazing character, but I would say that Frodo is the one who’s constantly having to fight to make the right decisions while simultaneously being gradually pulled apart inside by the rings influence. Frodo needs Sam just as all the fellowshipmembers are needed in a way, but Frodo is the decisionmaker that everyone needs for the ring to get to Mount Doom.
I see that last scene a little differently. I believe Frodo doesn't think he deserves anyone bowing to him because in the end he wasn't strong enough (no one was) to cast the ring into the fires of mount doom. And I think the trauma of what the ring and the journey did to him are starting to weigh him down. I think that's why he looks so solemn in that close up.
the great thing about lord of the rings is you could probably make an entire video on any member of the fellowship. they're all such complex, fascinating characters, even an ostensibly comic relief character like pippin has an incredible character arc.
The scene at the end where Frodo leaves Middle Earth will never not make me emotional. The raw acting talent, the beautiful music, Gandalf's line about not all tears being an evil, and the fact that when Frodo gets on the ship, he smiles and looks genuinely overjoyed. It's such a powerful scene and it's so well written and directed.
While there are ton of wonderful quotes in these movies. This one of my favorite: "Come on, Sam. Remember what Bilbo used to say: It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out your door. You step onto the road, and if you don't keep your feet, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to." Because life is a journey. It may not always be easy but by the end of our journey it's a hope that we at least enjoyed some parts of our life
Thats one of my favourite quotes in the world ❤
These films were my childhood. I loved that this group of men were never afraid to expressed how they felt. They weren’t afraid to express love or fear. They respected women and never doubted their abilities. And the never stopped believing in each other. 💙💙💙
I absolutely adore Frodo and the rest of the hobbits too, they’re all so brave and each have their own admirable qualities and prove their worth over and over again
The line "it would've been her" always gets me right in that spot where the tears run and the nose weeps. Instantly. Every. Time.
Thank you for mentioning the part about home, and how Frodo and Bilbo just want to go back. It's why both the movies and book open to the Shire and go into such great detail into it. Lord of the Rings is as much about an epic grand adventure as it is about saving a home you can go back to. It's about protecting the peace of the small ordinary folk, so people can live ordinary lives.
I think part of the reason why they chose to close in on Sam as Frodo is remembering the Shire and vice versa is because a lot of Sam and Frodo is based on the battle buddy dynamic. Tolkien had seen war and had experienced the camaraderie between soldiers where all you have to cling to is each other's stories of life and experiences that bring you closer to a feeling of home. I feel like the books and the movie captured that longing that every soldier feels so beautifully.
Frodo is such a dynamic and rounded character and it fills me with anger when people want to hate on him. He is us. And we all make mistakes, despite our will and our best intentions. We all want to be Aragorn and resist temptation, but more often we resemble characters like Frodo or Boromir. And it is wonderful to see a flawed character still be loved by their friends and get the rest they deserve in the end.
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I love to see appreciation for Frodo, it's a team effort and he is a big part of that team
Frodo is just an amazing character. It's so heartbreaking seeing his decline throughout the films because of the burden he has to bear. All the way to the point to he understands that this task he's taken will be the death of him but continued pushing forward because he knows it's the right thing to do.
Also just going to say it I know these films line for line. I grew up watching these films. The first film came out when I was only 5 years old. I have watched them hundreds of times. I watched the VHS of these films so many times I had to replace them all at least once each.
Please, do a goofy movie next! Its a beuatifull story of a single dad and teenage boy learning to reconect
I want to see you guys do Arcane so bad.
The tears, the pain, the psychology, the writing, the beautiful art. Arcane is about as perfect as a piece of media can be.
The look Gandalf gives when he hears Frodo behind him "i will take the ring" Gandalf and Elrond truly know what he just volunteered for. And they know the toll it would take on him. Ian McKellen is a master craft actor. He says that all with an expression.
Frodo is so much more lovable in the books. The Scouring of the Shire solidifies his character arc. And shows that even though he saved Middle Earth, it came at a terrible cost and alienated him from his home. And sending Sam away in the movies ALWAYS left a horrible taste in my mouth.
Agreed, and yes I wanted to yell at the screen " Frodo would never ever send Sam away.
It doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth. It pisses me off!
The times when Frodo turned on Sam (such as almost cutting his throat too) I thought highlighted just how deep into hell the ring was taking him. How profound is your isolation when you're in a miserable hellscape and you turn away from your very best friend. He regrets it quickly, but Gollum's manipulation was masterful and made sense as he knows how a ring-bearer thinks and feels. It also tells more of Gollum's story - who murdered his companion, who fled his family and village. DID they drive him away, or did he drive himself away?
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The older I get, the more I appreciate these movies, both in film making and the story they tell - and I haven't even rewatched them for at least 10 years.
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I always remember watching the scene where Sam was fighting off Shelob in the cinema. The whole audience was cheering and chanting, "Sam! Sam! Sam! Sam!", I'll never forget it
“You bow to no one” gives me goosebumps and chokes me up EVERY TIME