Andor breaks ICONIC Stormtrooper trend
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 29. 09. 2022
- Andor just broke a common, iconic trend that comes with Stormtroopers. Whilst many think that the Empire's troops are just our beloved white plastic helmet guys. It's far from the truth. With most of the Empire's soldiers being the Imperial Army Troopers. And this is how it completely changes that trend. We talk about this and more on today's Star Wars lore video.
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i hope they will represents stormtrooper as elite soldiers, which they are suppose to be, and not cheap fodder, i'm so sick of seeing them be completely useless
My faith is unexistant at this point xd
Yea, just elite like Russian "elite" army
Their own empire doesnât even give a ratâs ass about them. If anything they fill the role the b1s did.
Feats wise they ARE useless they get rekt by jungle teddy bears
I reckon they are the soldiers for the imperial navy/marines
Itâs kinda weird because at this point, the Imperial Army seem much more dangerous than the stormtroopers
At this point even corporate security force are more capable than "elite" stormtroopers.
@@holystatic I wouldnât go that far. Maybe things wouldâve been different if Syril wasnât taking point but they really messed up and lost a lot trying to arrest one guy (albeit with a lot of help from Luthen and some from the town).
@@rcbmmines4579 At least the captain (the one that gave orders throughout the operation) gave solid orders, like not engage until the rest will come.
@@inspector_beyond Yeah Mosk was a solid lieutenant but his men were caught off guard and lost composure, disobeying orders. Thereâs that guy that shot Bixâs boyfriend and got sent back by his C.O. too. They lack discipline. Incompetent as stormtroopers are, theyâre (usually) good at following orders without question (which can be a bad thing too to be fair).
ikr, we all see stormtroopers as just footmen the empire has to spend, although it is true, they should be considered fearless troopers like most of the comics, we can see stormtroopers bring fear to the galaxy and the elite ones like SCAR prove to be the best of the best
Hopefully this show can redeem storm troopers and actually make them threatening like theyâre supposed to be. Tired of watching them get mowed down by Mandalorians who really arenât doing anything very unique to take them down or outsmart them or a bunch of ewoks with sticks and rocks. Need more scenes like the opening battle on the tantive IV in A New Hope
To be fair⊠Mandalorians are supposed to be the best of the best warriors in the galaxy, even capable of taking on Jedi at times so itâs not unreasonable that they can take out stormtroopers so easily. I still agree through, I really hope this show does Stormtroopers justice because I hate how incompetent theyâre being portrayed nowadays
Itâs the principle of the matter really, I can accept that the Mandalorians would be skilled but it really dilutes them as a threat when all we see is them being mowed down
@@atomicspartan131 yeah like literally lol
The Mandalorian is a huge offender here
@@atomicspartan131 yeah but best of the best would mean they actually fight well, usually they just shoot like any other person and dont use anything that warrants the title of being the best warriors. id rather them show us theyre good, not just telling us. because running and gunning doesnt make them look badass, it makes the show look stupid.
I can just see that in a later episode, theyâre gonna have a moment where stormtroopers arrive unexpectedly and have an actual fearsome presence. Andor and gang having only fought glorified security guards now have to face trained armored soldiers.
I would love that. Something like rogue one with the AT-ST. It might be too late at this point, theyâd really have to do serious damage control to get that presence back, cuz as of right now I donât think anyone watching would be afraid for the heroes when stormtroopers arrive
@@Cmmdre977 Unfortunately every time Filoni has a say in it we're going to see the "elite" part of the Empire's infantry act as completely useless cannon fodder that doesn't know how to take cover or hit targets in rock throwing distance. He actually justified them dying by the dozens standing out in the open because he thought "how motivated could they be?" or something like that in an interview.
@@TheChiconspiracy good thing filoni wasnât really involved with this show!
Boy do I have news for you
We do technically see some stormtroopers, they were visible in the background guarding the ISB building. Perhaps I didn't see right but I could have sworn they were there.
Yes they are there at the ISB HQ. I saw them as well.
I saw them. Makes sense since it's the HQ for the ISB
Yep, they were there. I saw them.
Since its the ISB for the HQ it makes sence. I saw them as well.
This is true, and those two TIEs that flew over were piloted by T.I.E. Pilots, also Stormtrooper class.
The problems with stormtroopers most of the time is: Protagonists.
They can't and won't kill them.
Andor series presents to us the ideal scenario for how badass a stormtrooper can be, and the ideal is: New characters.
Am always intrigued and confused as to why we see more Stormies than Army Troopers even in Legends. Man, those West End Games sourcebooks really should have been adhered more.
WEG has so much to draw from. It's amazing how much the last thirty years of sci-fi is influenced by those sourcebooks
The stormies were more meant to be police forces than the imperial army was.
Timothy Zahnâs Thrawn books are the best I can think of for having a massive focus on Imperial Army over stormtroopers. The stormtroopers in the books are few and far between until Thrawn starts cloning them. But even then, you only really get 2 to 4 at a time and it always worries the characters. The reason the imperial army stopped existing after that in legends is because the imperials were pretty much reduced to a navy, so they only had naval troopers and generation 3 stormtroopers
@@mrbojangles9348 the thing is Stormtroopers are heavily indoctrinated to the point they are just serial numbers. they are in fact used as canon fodder against heavily fortified positions. the actual elite troops were taught to think and a number wound up defecting to the rebels.
@@mrbojangles9348 exactly. Zahn Iâm pretty sure was the one who first named the 501st after the IRL group. Even just 4 Stormtroopers from that legion were treated with a lot of respect from him in Survivorâs Quest.
I honestly hate how Stormtroopers went from badass elite forces in A New Hope to teddy bear fodder in Return of the Jedi. What so many people forget is that Vader wanted Leia and Luke and Han to escape the Death Star so they could fly away in the Falcon which had the homing beacon on it thus leading Tarkin and the Death Star to Rebel base. The Stormtroopers had to be precise in making it look like they were trying to kill them and prevent them from escaping which would have taken great skill. The trope of the incompetent Stormtrooper not being able to hit anything stuck and now we get to see Mandalorians chewing them up by the dozen which makes them less threatening than a flu shot.
well after Return most of the competent Imp forces got wiped out not only by the surging rebellion but the Imperial infighting. What was left were the exhausted dregs
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@@toomanyaccounts Agreed. By the time of Mandalorian, most of the "Stormtroopers" are probably just hired help given some old armour.
Plus, lest we forget, Mandalorians are supposed to be amongst the best fighters in the galaxy - see Clone Wars etc.
Badass Elite Forces in A New Hope? Um...what? They would literally stop searching for rogues if a door is locked. They also couldn't aim to save their lives...what Star Wars film did you watch? They've ALWAYS been incompetent!
@@joshuaweston6531 calm down. We are just talking about a movie.
Rogue One did a great job of making Stormtroopers actually feel like soldiers. They're taking dudes out left and right, obviously to the point where even the main characters don't make it out alive. I'm pretty confident the Stormtroopers will be a sight to behold in Andor given how well done the Frontier Security Forces were.
Rogue One may very well be my favorite Star Wars movie for that very reason.
That makes it disappointing that the mandalorian just had to jump on the joke and make canon that stormtroopers canât aim
Wish is all true from all the protagonists point of view.
That can be excused in canon by saying they're remnants using old equipment that's probably faulty a few decades after Andor.
Having a competent enemy makes the action more realistic and suspenseful and not as lazy and eye rolling like in Kenobi or book of Fett. It'd be nice to see the empire's elite actually be a serious threat, and one to be kinda feared. With the gritty tone and inclusion of more army troopers, i really hope this is the case.
Are you saying that forces of an elite galactic crime syndicate shouldn't have been beaten by 4 teens on fancy bikes? :P
If Stormtroopers are actually elite troops in Andor, I donât even know what to say. I love the troopers. Iâm glad that Rogue One at least TRIED to break the trend and make stormtroopers as elite as they are
@Antoni Well, they're portrayed very dumbed down for either comedic reasons or just to let the heroes win. To be honest, if they were as good as the Legends and Canon describe them as, they'd probably beat the Rebels in a span of 5 years or somewhere around that.
the introduction of the Imperial Army is one of those things thatâs unfortunately just odd given that it was not thought of in tandem with the OT.
Youâre right, it would make sense for a rural planet to have an an Imperial Army garrison vs Armor Corps one; but then what about Mapuzo in Obi-Wan? why have elite troopers guarding a single outpost in another presumed rural planet?
Well they were looking for jedi just not very good at it
But I agree it is odd
Mining World?
Look Disney is bad at starwars lore, and stormtroopers are the face of the saga, almost as much as R2D2 or any of the people that follow him around, getting Disney not to use them is nearly impossible
@@calebbarnhouse496 Tbh I don't think it's wholly Disney's fault. Even in the EU we saw stormtroopers far more often than Imperial army troopers. They are too iconic to not be used often even when Lucasfilm was helmed by George Lucas.
They're also perfect action figure material.
Iâm glad theyâre break this trend. Honestly I hope they give the stormtroopers more elite status not just in usage but in action as well. This move to make Star Wars more tangible and centered in actuality of action is refreshing.
I really hope that this show takes storm troopers seriously and doesnt treat them like a complete joke. I mean obi wan said that they were extremely skilled and deadly soldiers in a new hope. Its just that disney has made it canon that they are extremely stupid and bad at aiming.
They've already treated corporate security officers who they clearly defined as being incompetent with more respect than most media portrays stormtroopers, so I think it's safe to say that the stormies will be handled well here.
Both Bad Batch and the first 3 minutes of Ep IV are the only time they get troopers right
what about hoth?
and we see imperial army troops in the background when the ISB is investigating on ferrix
What I like about the Andor / Rogue One storytelling method is that everything is grittier and more realistically portrayed in a manner similar to the Mandalorian, though... Fett has it's own style problems that I won't get into here. We finally get to see the criminal underbelly and disorganized beginnings of the rebellion from an up close and involved perspective. This means we get to see security forces, local militia, criminals, pirates, smugglers, and the titular character in a way that goes beyond window dressing and singular 'guest star' set piece appearances that we have grown, unfortunately, accustomed to in recent star wars cinema. (I personally find a lot of the underworld representation in Book of Fett to be underwhelming and painfully inept, there is a lot of individual character grandstanding and direct banter for comedic effect rather than 'real storytelling', but that is just my opinion.)
I especially like that the show deviates from the poor writing trope that so often causes these shows to instantly substitute storm troopers for literally every form of security or soldier in the empire simply because they are distinct and recognizable as "the brand". Storm troopers are like the Navy Seals, Marines, French Foreign Legion, or Airborne Rangers. They exist as a well equipped, well trained, ground force which supports the Imperial Navy, specifically in space or in contested territory. It is very, very silly to see them as "police" or security forces outside of rather niche scenarios where they are part of a garrison maintained by the Navy or in unsecured ground which is usually contested or part of some military action.
Rogue One uses them on Jedha and it makes sense because there is a victory (as far as I know anything larger or newer wasn't atmosphere capable?) star destroyer overseeing and collecting the final shipment of Kyber. That would be a naval operation, they are in support of a ship, therefor it is not unreasonable to see them securing the cargo and ensuring it is safely delivered.
I can also understand seeing stormtroopers securing a landing zone or spaceport, so long as there is a naval asset nearby which they are serving. But usually they are a 'meme' in films or disney related presentations of the setting, showing up as 'mall cop' level enforcers for the local law or just existing to get blasted while missing all their shots, which really sucks to see them portrayed as a joke all the time.
It was a star destroyer on Jedha, that piece of canon about them not being able to go into the atmosphere was old canon. But yeah, I mostly agree. I don't think it has to strictly be a naval operation for stormtroopers to show up (since they are technically army) but I do like that this show is using them sparingly. I'm glad we're seeing them move away from using them like the common foot soldier, it's nice to have a big piece of media acknowledge that they're supposed to be higher up on the food chain.
Always good to see Imperial Army troopers
We do see them in the background on coruscant
Itâs so that we can see their faces and relate to them as humans. Instead of just extendable faceless soldiers
Anyone else notice that when the ISB were on Morlana One they had Imperial Army soldiers there too instead of stormtroopers?
What I found interesting about those ones were they wore black uniforms, when normal army troopers wear green and grey.
I'm guessing the ISB has its own contingent of troopers for jobs like this, as they already have stormtrooper units dedicated to them as well
@@The_Lunch_Man I didn't notice that! Good point!
There were both iirc
A small thing but I really like how you put the Stormtroopers into the thumbnail! Looks like they were actually there behind him.
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I wish Stormtroopers weren't such a big joke.
i hope if we see them in show they would have some very good aim
Yes i hope so as well. And i hope they humanize them a bit as well
The Imperial Army is more interesting than the Stormtroopers, in my opinion
i think that the stormtroopers should just be normal basic troopers, makes the empire seem stronger imo
Wait aren't stormtroopers a division in the imperial army?
@@perosinalmc7143 it should be the other way round
Those were navy troopers
Seriously
I prefer to keep telling myself that stormtroopers where everywhere, like on Tatooine: the planet that is the furthest from the centre.
They were looking for a droid with the Death Star plans...
@@themadladorian4364 again in my childâs mind it looked like they had been there before. Example Luke has no special reaction when he sees troopers.
The aldhani cell is very interesting. Each of them on the website seem to have their strengths and motives for opposing the empire. Skeen for example has been tossed from prison to prison by the empire.
Hm I wonder if there are any bots here
This is the kind of world building I appreciate. Where it does not hinder or slow down or detract from the story in any way, it simply adds to the believability of the world without drawing attention to itself.
This kinda confused me because Solo material stated the Army troopers were in the process of being phased out, yet theyâre still shown actively being used in 5 BBY, I guess itâs possible the process hasnât been completed yet and Army troops are still being used in less important locations, but regardless it was kinda nice to see them.
I think the implication was by the time of the original trilogy that they were faced out then which is why we don't see them(the video says they're in Return of the Jedi but I think we only got to see Navy Troopers on the ground).
@@imperialpatriot6693 no, general Veers is imperial army, and technically vader has complete control over the entire imperial army, it's just not a power anyone cares about, but it was army troopers that were actually inside the bunker
To be fair source material get retconned and overlooked all the time, probably for the better in this case.
@@shadowtrooper3764 Overlooked, maybe, the phase out is only mentioned in a source book and the Mudtrooper page on the Star Wars website; but I wouldnât really consider it a retcon, as it doesnât directly contradict that itâs happening, it just shows that itâs still an on-going process. If anything I think weâre seeing why the phase out is happening in the first place, This is the first time we see an imperial army soldier as a real character and theyâre shown as a mole.
I would like a series revolving around an elite group of storm troopers. Like the bad batch but more sinister. Theyâd do anything for the empire. Even if it means harming civilians. Dark and gritty. And they give no fs. That would be interesting
Sounds like you want a show on Scar Squadron
@@neofulcrum5013 ooooooooooh
Never ever gonna happen with Disney in ownership.
@@zeratul____1228 Crosshair executed and then burned alive captured citizens, with one of his new squad-mates even saying "I didn't sign up to be on an execution squad. I'm out". Crosshair executes him too. This all happened in The Bad Batch, 2021, Disney made.
Andor executes an unarmed guard point-blank in the first 10 minutes of his show. It's really not that unlikely for darker, more gritty shows to be made under Disney
Would only be interested if it has the same showrunner/writers/directors as Andor.
IâŠactually didnât know that. My whole life I thought stormtroopers were the grunts
I think the reason why we donât see many storm troopers is because, they are mostly stationed on important worlds, back water planets like we see in andor are not as important that much hence the army is stationed there ( sorry for bad English)
Stormtroopers were guarding a laser gate in the middle of nowhere in the Obi-Wan show.
And where on TatouineâŠ
@@MightyGalvatron Obi-Wan writers aren't aware of the Imperial Army lore, so that's their problem
@@MightyGalvatron don't forget all those random backwater planets in star wars rebels
@@sugdolomar starwars lore and rebels are opposites, no other source has had inquistors flying for a reason
Just realized a possible plot hole, twist, or goof in rebels involving Thrawn. Based on the info he had available and the way he thought, he should have at least suspected Yavin 4 was a major rebel base around the time he laid siege to and blockaded the Phoenix base.
Agreed, kinda wished the main base in Rebels was Dantoonie.
@@patrickhurley481 like how it was an old rebel base, they seem to have forgotten about it lol
Thrawn vanished at the end of the show. Maybe he never got to report said suspicions. There's also the fact the Rebels only moved there after Thrawn wrecked their first base. They weren't there at all while he investigated
Stormtroopers: USMC
Imperial Army: US ARMY
Imperial Navy: US Navy
Imperial fighters: USAF
The blue and orange guys in andor are just cops.
From the Halls of Courscant
To the shores of Rishi;
We fight our Empires battles
In the space, on land, and sea;
First to fight for Darkside
And to keep our Armors white and clean;
We are proud to claim the title
Of Imperial ST. đ
If it were my universe creatively, I would've reversed the two. It's easier to have more incompetent soldiers be faceless troopers and just have them as fodder, vs. people you can see. Have the elite be the more "uniformed" solider and the fodder be Stormtroopers, and have them "heavily" armored because they just need to take hits and go down.
It doesn't make much sense to make the fodder (stormtroopers) better equipped and armored and the more fearsome looking than the so-called elite who look like cannon fodder
Exactly what I was thinking. Stormtroopers work well as Assault Troops.
I don't know about you, but I would think I would armour and equip the more elite (and hence more expensive) troops better thanyour average rank and file
â@@graham5716 fearsome yeah cuz nothing scares people like bright as f*** white plastic which will be s*** Brown by the end of a battle war is messy
@@graham5716 idk man, the lesser armored troopers being better is just weird
If you look closely you can see some stormtroopers in Coruscat when Debra arrives to the ISB building
In Rix Road during the funeral, there are stormtroopers placed behind the riot control as a just in case if guns are required instead of automatically using stormtroopers for everything which is a nice detail
This series is sooo human centric⊠there are so many species in the galaxy, disney!!!
What I was thinking. Kindaa sick of it now
I love when the shows add a more realistic perspective to things weâve trivialized, like the walker in Mandolorian.. those are typically fodder for Jedi but seeing one from the ground with no space wizard to save you is horrifying!
Iâd like to see the same with Stormtroopers, how scary they are for normal people. An army of soldiers clad in white with no faces destroying your city would e terrifying⊠the screaming Ties, the big metal clanking machines and the massive Star Destroyers overhead. It would make the Empire Scary again!
Mistake: We only briefly see imperial army troopers in "Return of the Jedi" but Ecks posts a clip from A New Hope not Return of the Jedi? 0:18
Yep. Plus casual stormtroopers where on Tatouine which back when OT was king, was a remote location.
Those weren't imperial army troopers, but imperial naval troops
@@TheKaves2 They were looking for a droid with the Death Star plans.
@@TheKaves2 Probably because Vader sent those troops to retrieve the droids.
In the history of cinema, the Imperial Stormtroopers are definitely the most iconic foot soldiers on the movie screen ever.
I totally agree. The fact too that we only saw those tie fighters in episode 4 and they were terrified gives them more validity as well
Return of the jedi show us navy troopers not army
He means the ones in AT-ST
I honestly didnât even that the imperial troopers were supposed to be the regular foot soldiers and not the storm troopers, I hope they actually make storm troopers scary and not boogie men.
There was actually a stormtrooper in the background outside the imperial security bureau in the first shot its shown
I know stormtroopers are the iconic imperial soldiers but if we ever get a battlefront 3 I hope we would actually se imperial troopers rather than stormtroopers as playable. Sure have stormtroopers but have some variety.
Kinda funky how changing the perspective makes these foot soldiers seem more important than the supposedly much more menacing storm troopers.
I'm feeling the need to see some Stormtroopers, though. They are really iconic, I hope we see some more down the line, just like we've seen in the trailers.
I suspect we will see them later on as Cassian goes from âminor nuisance to corporate securityâ to âmajor pain in side of the ISBâ
Not sure this is tru but Ive heard that the stormtroopers on the death star were so incompetent for a reason, as they were ordered to let Luke and Leia to escape. I think from then on people have just seen them as such and represented them as that in media, such as future sw projects and just as an overall misconception.
it wouldn't make sense to put a tracking beacon on a ship whose crew you were going to kill or capture when you needed them to escape to go to their base
@@toomanyaccounts That's the thing, they're idea was not to kill them but to rather allow them to escape.
If stormtroopers are the elite soldiers of the empire i don't even want to imagine what the rest of the empires army is like. They probably have worse aim then Helen Keller with a gun.
0:25 those boys look crisp! Their armor vests look pretty sick too!
What's interesting about the stormtroopers and imperial army troopers is that the stormtroopers are considered an expeditionary force and are used as light infantry but the imperial army's are volunteered loyalist to the empire. The imperial army specializes in guerilla warfare and use military tactics instead of being an light infantry. Kinda weird how the stormtroopers are the main military force of the empire instead of being you know "elite". Probably explains why the imperial army troopers don't miss there shots lol
It gets back to the original idea of stormtroopers, the sturm kommandos of WW1 and WW2 Germany. They were the elite ground forces of the Army, better trained and armed than your typical soldier. For every 1 sturm, there were dozens, if not hundreds of standard soldiers.
Same case here, only the scale is magnified. Simply put, even the Empire couldn't field an army of stormtroopers on every single planet they have. They have thousands of worlds to control! So they have tons of regular conscripted and volunteer army soldiers, and let the better trained and armed stormtroopers deal with the serious stuff. Frankly, stormtroopers are wasted on guard duty.
I'm sorry.
But I laughed so hard after the storm trooper popped baby Yoda. đ€Łđđ€Łđ
I hope we get a better explanation that reconciles stormtroopers being elite and dangerous while also explaining why they have a reputation for being bad shots
Vader ordered them to miss on purpose in episode 4. Plot ordered them to miss in 5 - 6. And then Mickey ordered them to miss until Rouge One.
Spoilers
But that scene in the last episode where one of the Stormtroopers gets jumped by a protester and his teamate shooting the protester off without damaging the other stormtrooper blew my mind. He actually hit his target.
Hey there's Stormtroopers in the air base. Everyone was too busy looking at those TIE fighters but there's a bunch of Stormtroopers walking around the floor of the Alkenzi Air Command.
Well we already know Death Troopers are going to be in the show (from the trailers) so it would be unusual to have them & not regular stormies
We see stormtroopers backing up the army in the trailers, and you can see stormies in the ISB headquarters scene
Always nice to see more imperial army
I love how they are finally being recognized as *elite* soldiers and not just dumb cannon fodder lol
I want this show to treat stormtrooper like Republic Comando did with B2 Battle droids
Yes...this has always bothered me in Disney Star Wars, like in Rogue One where you have Stormtroopers guarding the prison where Jyn is locked up.
That's very interesting. Just rewatched the Solo movie for the first time at home yesterday and also picked up on how little Storm Troopers there were in the movie and how they actually did seem more like a threat there as well.
A shame for the movie in a lot of other qualities though, I feel like if they had just let the original directors have their way with it it would've been a great movie.
Also, the amount of flashing lights and dimly lit scenes in that movie is criminal.
The white armor is also their battle armor. So if they aren't in battle they don't wear the white armor.
Wow, I just realized there are no Stormtroopers so far...mind blown!
I'm glad they're not trying to show star wars props at every second for nostalgia bait
Considering their performance toward plot armors, I had NO idea.
Is it wednesday yet? I'm itching to see the next episode, especially after realising how many episodes we were getting. Please let this be the end of the 6 episode "season" trend.
YES PLEASE
I am so glad they arent using stormtroopers as canon fodder and actually care about the details and lore.
You can actually see some stormtroopers around the ISB-Building Shot on Coruscant
I Hope they turn them into the scary force they were supposed to be
Iâm loving this show! Really impressive depth! Itâs amazing how theyâve done world building in an already established universe like Star Wars. It did what I hoped the movies would do-added to the universe organically without bastardizing it!
I like how, instead of having a picture of Ben Mendelsohn you put the picture of his Hot Toys figure up. đđđ
One can make the argument that the only "Imperial Army" person we saw pre-Disney was General Veers. The troopers in the Death Star detention block are often defined as *Navy* troopers and treated as military police. There's also a strong argument that the two things Stormtroopers are actually good at is terrorising civilians and charging fortified positions. The idea that they are "elite" troops comes from WEG trying to build a hierarchy of antagonists for players, and then from groups like the 501st (understandably) wanting to cosplay as badasses and not fumbling buffoons. But the media rarely shows them as particularly competent - just very, very loyal. Which makes them ideal for enforcing the will of the Emperor, but not neccesarily the best soldiers around.
And actually, writing this post-Season-One-Finale, I'd argue that even there the Stormtroopers aren't "elite soldiers." It doesn't take a lot of skill to gun down a group of mostly unarmed civilians standing in the middle of a road. It *does* take very strong discipline to be willing to do that, though. So even in the more grounded context of Rogue One / Andor, the Stormtroopers owe more to groups like the SA or the Blackshirts or the NKVD than they do to highly skilled military units like the US Rangers.
Remember the begging of Force Awakens when the new First Order Troopers were hard as hell and literally had blood smeared on their helmets.
That was fun, but then totally forgotten and never used again
I wanted to say it's still a retcon because we saw elite storm troopers do patrol on the lowliest outer rim backwater planet back in 1977, but then I finally realized they were probably ONLY there because of the droids đ
Yeah, I'd always assumed those troopers were garrisoned there but now looking back I think it's more likely those troops were sent from Vader's ship instead.
I love how in Andor episode 6, the army troopers did better than stormtroopers because they are able to kill two rebels, one was their lieutenant and the other was an ex-stormtrooper.
Great short Charlie
I think one way to explain stormtroopers is that at first, they were the Elite corps of the Empire. They have better training, better equipment, and better officers than the standard military. But, as the galaxy came to resent and oppose the empire more and more, they transitioned into making more and more units into 'stormtroopers', not keeping up with their training as much. It's similar to how, as the Third Reich started to degrade, more units became "SS" designated, despite many towards the end being made up of conscripts.
Post-Endor, none of the competent Stormtroopers survived, they were stationed on important planets or the death stars , the important planets defected to the rebellion and killed of their garrison. The ones that did survive were stationed on the outer rim, worlds which weren't important and thus had the least capable soldiers. And because they had little training facilities, they were pretty rusty.
Stormtroopers are supposed to be like marines. They mostly seem weak because we only really see them fighting the most dangerous individuals in the galaxy. Jedi, bounty hunters, Mandalorians.
And also the movies would be a lot shorter if they shot the main characters
I always thought that the stormtroopers were the basic infantry and not elite units
I kind of like to see if Army Troopers also had Clone Wars origins. We know the Grand Army of the Republic was the predecessor of the stormtrooper corps, the Empireâs vehicle corps, and other special units like the Scout Trooper Corps. The Republic Navy and itâs starfighter corps was the predecessor to its Imperial counterparts.
So what was the original version of the rest of the Imperial Army? The Planetary Defense Forces or the Judicial Forces? Or a whole new organization entirely?
Can't wait to see the Clone Troopers from the trailer!
Stormtroopers have always been elite soldiers. The main problem was the equipment they are given. The E-11 Carbine and the E blaster line were some of the most advanced weapons of that time. The weapons weren't the problem or their skills as a navy. The real problem was the way their armor was manufactured. Similar to the phase II Clone helmet, the visors were very small compared to their predecessors, so operators would have a very hard time aiming due to the lack of ability to see, not the lack of skills.
I always wanted to see the Imperial Army, so glad Solo and new series are doing that. Stormtroopers were meant to be like the Empires equivalent to the Marine Corps: present on ships, as an assault force and guarding facilities of particular significance. Not special forces but not cannon fodder. Specialist units exist within the Corps but armoured and aerospace warfare are normally handled by the Army and Navy/AirForce respectively with the Corps having a more specialised vanguard version of these forces
One thing I donât like about Andor is there are no prominent alien characters.
Very few in the general crowds too, not any recognisable ones anyway.
At least one of those rebels should've been an alien.
@@themadladorian4364 A bit hard to infiltrate an imperial base as an alien
There should of been some in episodes 1-3, since they werenât infiltrating any imperial base at that time.
Kinda glad it was cool seeing imperial army troopers thatâs what they are called also in solo that is what Han was on minban thereâs the imperial army that is usually made up of locals on the planet and then thereâs the storm trooper corp
Bit old but around the time of Andor the Imperial Army was in full swing. It was your duty as a citizen of the Empire to enlist and fight, if not you'd be conscripted. The Stormtrooper Corp were the Marines, acting as Expeditionary units and would compliment the Imperial Army as they assaulted planets and conducted operations. However by the time of Episode 4(ish), the Imperial Army was under HEAVY scrutiny because of the amount of deserters to the Rebels. This all meant the Imperial Army was under a more watchful eye by the ISB. They were always there, but never where the Rebels were currently fighting as it didn't make sense (I guess idk I don't think George thought them out really) to be in those battles. By Episode 5 and 6 the Imperial Army was a fraction of its size as the Stormtrooper corps absorbed them and became a frontline element.
i feel like they overuse storm troopers becuase disney prefers to not have faces behind all those people the "good guys" kill and want a masked soulless character to be the canon fodder
Cost cutting move... Less props less hassle.
Good idea though...but trying to portray Stormtroopers as elites is kinda futile.
That ship left long ago...đ
I feel like Stormtroopers being this badass elite fighting force has become a major case of tell don't show. Every time we've seen them since a New Hope they've been incompetent goobers and it's only been getting worse. I was hoping with the introduction of the death trooper in rogue one we'll at least get some kind of imperial trooper that's a threat to the rebels but no apparently we got Stormtroopers that come in Black are slightly taller and sound like combine soldiers from half-life.
I really hope andor can fix that especially because in the trailer we've seen clone troopers and they're usually handled as pretty competent.
When Respawn Entertainment makes their Star Wars RTS i hope that Stormtroopers wont be the regular infantry, but Tier 2 or Tier 3 Elite Troopers, while the imperial Army from Andor and Solo are the regular infantry.
There are 2 stormtroopers at the isb building for like 2 seconds
Stormtroopers. The laughing stock of all fictional soldiers. In Kenobi, a squad of Stormtroopers, shooting at a group of rebels, in a hallway, and miss 95% of the shots
That's not how it's supposed to be, misunderstanding of the original films has led them to be perceived as that to the point where eventually is made it's way into canon
"Specialised soldiers" that couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo.
How people don't understand that stormtroopers are insanely accurate when there isn't any plot armour (so rarely)? Just watch the hall shooting scene when 20 troopers come out of the door one by one while rebels wait for them in positions and at the end 20 rebels die vs 2 stormtroopers. They are elite soldiers, the Galactic Empire is heavily militarized they are properly trained, rebels on the other hand very much resemble fodder having almost no armour and being inaccurate and panicked. But they are "the good guys" so most of the time we see somewhat relevant characters that would never be shot randomly at the start of the movie to end it all for the sake of realism. You want movies to go on and make money.
I thought that was the idea behind the stormtrooper armour to dehumanise them so they could better put fear into the enemies of the empire
Honestly never really got the whole imperial army soldier thing. Stormtroopers always seem to be presented as if there ainât any other regular soldier units. Like you hardly ever see the imperial army soldiers compared to stormtroopers.
Not the Army, but you do see the black-helmeted Imperial naval troopers in quite a few scenes in the OT.
To be fair in the ot we only see
Iv) a very important battle station/hq
V) an elite strike force
Vi) an elite legion
Yet despite this we have the imperial navy troopers in alot of scenes. Not just stormtroopers. My assumption was there was always more of those guys and similar troops. After all why bother with a design like that unless it was cheaper for greater numbers.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 I understand we do see different combat units that are not stormtroopers, but both canon and legends have always made it seem that stormtroopers are the fighting force. Whether itâs video games, comics, movies, shows, stormtroopers are always appearing to be the main infantry unit for the empire. So when it comes down to the imperial army soldiers Iâm always thinking, how come we hardly see them?.