Try to find this setting on your Les Paul.
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- This setting a producer friend showed me, which is a bit different on every guitar, makes it sound like your Les Paul has been mixed and mastered. Here we discuss exactly what it is and how to dial it in. Enjoy!
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That p90 and deluxe combo is absolutely majestic…
Any Fender amp, imo. They pair really well.
Bonamassa has been preaching this for ages... Instead of ice picky full on bridge pick up, blend in the lower volume neck pick up in middle position and you have the best lp tone ever!
NEck pick up tone 0 to 3, neck pickup volume 6 to 9 = "WOMAN TONE!"
And 335
Bonamassa himself said it - These knobs down here DO things. I tried this, and I love it - especially on my semi-hollow body....oh man....
As a 40 year Les Paul player I have to say this is a great tip. The Middle position is most versatile.
100% same with me. I can feel other peoples gunk! And my hands are dry. I only change strings as soon as I notice they are not staying in tune.
And my Les Paul hits that spot at 9, 335 is at 8.5. Thanks for the tip! Literally for the past couple days I have been using that as my primary sound.
This is something that the great late Dickey Betts did, God bless him,... I love those tones!!!
I’ll be using this, on my Les Paul
I kind of wonder if I can put a resistor and try to get this on my 2 knob B&G.
I’m gonna ask Tony Nobles
I didn’t think there was anyone else like me who feels the same about other people playing my guitars. I have dry hands too and a lot of people leave slime on the strings . They don’t get it but you do! Thanks!
Same here.
Those P90s sound killer!!
Justin, your insights and tips are greatly appreciated. It's also appreciated that you impart knowledge without any attitude. In other words, I think I could sit and talk to you about guitars and gear without being one of the "cool kids". Thanks for keeping it real and down to earth.
I do something similar with my SG's, but its a different purpose. I may have to try this specific trick though. I like how you suddenly get your highs back in the middle but retain the big bottom of the neck.
What I do is dial in my dirty sound in the middle position, then switch to the bridge and roll it back until I have a clean tone.
Then my neck is my clean, middle is my crunch and bridge is my lead.
Love it when you find new sounds on an old guitar..
I've had my Les Paul for 15 years and 2 days ago I just had this epiphany. Then you post this video lol.
7:35 Ha! I’ve been doing this since I bought my main 79 Les Paul Standard in 1992. I tried all the positions and settled on that one right away and never looked back. Bridge + neck at 10 is too woofy but neck rolled back just a bit is perfect. I thought I was the only one who does this!
Me too! I feel super cool for having “bumped into” this many, many years ago!
I have tried this on my Les Paul and liked it! It also works with a Telecaster Deluxe with the 2 Wide Range pickups.
Very cool! I wondered about those Teles…
@JustinOstrander I like the tone it gets. You're right about it cutting that high treble out of the sound, it gets quite strident with those pickups, so I also cut the tone knob back to 5-6 on the bridge pickup
Love this setting on my Ibanez AS93! As someone more comfortable on a tele with master volume, something I love about this is you can roll the bridge volume down for cleans, then back up for crunch without worrying about switching pickups and being surprised by whatever the volume is set at.
I did a mod to a Strat so that I could flip a switch and force the neck pickup on. Using this with the selector set to the bridge pickup (in this case, HSS) gives you a very pleasing sound, just like in this video.
The other thing I've experimented with on HH guitars is adding two switches to split the humbuckers independently. Running the humbucker in the neck with a split pickup in the bridge gives you a very unique sound. You get the warmth of the neck pickup with some clarity added back in from the bridge pickup.
Funny thing is I just happened to catch your video totally at random! Something about tone and Les Paul's in the title...You mentioned Uncle Larry early on and then you talked about the setting and I thought, oh yeah, I heard about this around a year ago or so, and I've been searching my Les Paul's for something cool-sounding by rolling back the volume pot, but not hearing it because I wasn't sure what I was listening for exactly. Uncle Larry and another guy were just talking about it, but nobody actually demonstrated it on a guitar. After seeing your video, I can now get back to this tonight and find that spot. Most excellent, liked and subscribed!
Leslie West was a master of les paul tones. I saw him in the late 70's in a small club. He put on a serious clinic. Really impressive
We saw him back then too, but at the Santa Monica Civic with Mountain. At one point he had two Juniors at the same time, with one slung around his back that he swung around later to play - a legendary show.
Eastman T-59 (aka ES-345) with Seymour-Duncan Antiquity hummers: Neck volume at 9.0 - full crunch sound !! Thanks for the tip.
I have an SG Special that I switched out mini humbuckers for P90's. I have been having trouble getting a middle position tone that is not too harsh and trebly. Your trick worked like a charm. Thanks!
I noticed that "wha" in the past on my Les Paul standard and thought it was a defect. Lol.. I have much more appreciation for it now. 9 is the spot. Thank you Justin!
Haaa I guess I’m not crazy!! I’ve been doing this for years. For strummy stuff, for cleaner stuff, and for funkier stuff. Love everything you put out!
Another method is that I use the bridge pickup only and roll the tone off to about 4. It gets rid of the ice pick
Yes....tone is all over great with moving tone knob up and down on bridge pickup!! Especially down by four. Makes music much more interesting varying the brightness and woman tone
I agree. Most of my electrics have just a volume and tone control with a 3-way selector (including P-90 and humbucker Specials, stock Tele, etc.) and honestly that's plenty good enough for what I play most of the time. But what you can do by blending volume and tone in 'both' position on a Les Paul or similar guitar with four knobs, well, yeah. Almost magic. It's like a motorcycle with the right pipes. When you hear it you just think, "that's it." Great discussion.
Saw Dickey Betts mention this years ago. He said he always did it.
I thought for sure you were gonna show the "Cocked Wah" trick on a Les Paul. Awesome tip!
That one is very cool, too, but I don’t use it nearly as much. I use this all the time when tracking. Sits in a mix so much better!
@@JustinOstrander My "81 LP Standard does it at about 8-9. I hear the tone shift through my 79 Princeton and through my '91JCM900 pretty good
Thanks Justin.
Having never really paid attention to having a specific setting, I have typically just grab and go with a little time spent finding the tone of the guitar to match the frequency of the song in my head.
As I now zeroed in on the mixing and mastering parts I am finding it necessary to focus more on the settings to speed up the post production part.
But sometimes man when the song hits and the creativity is flowing… sometimes ya just got lay down them tracks and kick up the dust before that moment of inspiration blows away with the wind into the horizon.
Thanks for going over this…very helpful. Typically all knobs are just maxed to ten, but I’m hearing that same slight finesse when dialing down some knobs lately.
Appreciate your channel.
Re the front pickup taming the back pickup…..Phil Keaggy was doing that 40 years ago…
@kenwhisler That’s the first thing I thought of when I heard that. It’s all through Keaggy’s music plus Glass Harp. I keep forgetting about trying that option because in my mind you get the strongest output from one pickup wired in series instead of parallel with both pickups on.
Thanks for the tip, I’m going to try it out on my LPs and also see what happens with my 335. Like you I have very dry hands. I mostly change strings when they don’t feel or sound right but generally, they last a very long time.
1978 Ibanez Artist 2630 with Fralin PAFs sweet spot is 9.....great tip!
I’m obsessed with that sound. First figured it out in a 5-control, 3-pickup Rickenbacker, which allows you to get several shades of that sound, instead of basically one spot on the knob. Went down a rabbit hole to figure out how to replicate that level of control on other guitars. Invented a control that replaces the pickup volume you’re trying to attenuate. Works great. Uses the entire range of the control to go from full up to just below perceptibility in parallel with the other pickup. Also doesn’t load the attenuated pickup so you get usable sounds in any position of the pickup switch, with any pickup blend dialed in, without having to turn up the attenuated pickup.
This episode just might be the best I’ve seen, ever. So much valuable information and playing! Really dig what you’re doing 🤙🏽🤘🏽🎸👈🏼
Awesome, thanks a ton!
I changed from 50s wiring. Reverse the switch and pickup connections and pickups are decoupled in the middle position.
This gives you even more flexibility. You can turn on pickup of in middle and the ohe stays on! So the blending is endless.
Thank you
Neck Volume on eight
My favorite thing about Les Paul Guitars are the control knob settings
I hope you make more videos about the insights you’ve discovered
😎🎸🎶☮️
Gibson 335 - 8.5
Gibson LPS - 7
Gibson LPjr dc - 9
Gibson L6 - 7.5
If you ever wonder why Gretsch guitars have a master volume, this is why. Those old jazz guys knew this way back. Hartley Peavey achieved the same with the T-60 by using the tone knobs to split the coils at 12 o'clock. Worth studying the wiring in those guitars.
Been doing this for years. I don't even buy pickups without wiring a set up like this to see how they cohabitate. When you set to middle position, you halve the resistance. If you have 500k pots, you effectively now have 250k output. My "hot" guitar has hand selected 500 or 1000k pot that read about 750k to a multimeter. You have to choose the cheapest CTS or Bournes pots to get this, and you have to go through dozens... or more, until you have a matched set. It allows me to turn down even further before completely shorting the circuit.
I built an Epiphone Dot in stereo, so the neck and bridge pu don't share capacitance. I just added a switchable 2nd capacitor to both legs and got the same result. Exploring different wiring is a fun hobby.👍
I do this on my tele 72 deluxe with wide range pickups. I love this trick
Dude, thank you SO MUCH!
This tipp Changed everything for me and my Les Paul.
I have a Classic 50-s Goldtop with Burstbuckers (Funny that its called classic 50´s considering that the burstbuckers came out early 90´s) but the mid-honk happens with it around 8,5 and it sounds just beautiful. and it turns the guitar in a way more versatile instrument for me.
I leave the setting untouched till I like to solo the neck pickup with that typical creamy Les Paul tone. BUT....I´m a touring musician and professional for more than 20 years and the routing and the functions of the 4 controls on a Les Paul were always overwhelming for me. even tho I loved the classic Les Paul tones.
but now I use it way more on a pop production and it sounds just beautiful. I can't wait to track some songs with that sound.
Even my guitar tech didn't know about that and he's been around the block for over 30 yrs and worked with some of the greatest out there. what a great fact and idea. thank you so much for sharing. love your channel, man!
Love the middle position and that setting is bad ass. Thanks Justin!
This is such a great advice. On my ES 335 it's at about 9.7, on my Les Paul R6 (P90s rule ;-)) around 8. On my SG i's the only way to tame the treble anyway. That guitar is so bright I have to roll the tone down to 5 or 6, then it's about 8 on the neck's volume pot. What I like about this setting is that you can "hide" playing rhythm and then pop out just by rolling down the neck's volume a hair.
Yup. I learned about that watching Snowy White play. Like you said, this technique also applies to SG's and 335 style guitars or basically any conventional Gibson-ish guitar with 2 pickups on it. On my 60's Tribute Gold Top reissue Les Paul it's about 7-1/2 where the magic happens. On my old 63 SG Custom (almost a Les Paul) it's 8 and on my CS356 it's also about 8. I did some wiring shenanigans on my SG so I could get a bridge and neck pickup selection. It's not possible with the stock switching configuration. The PAF's on the SG really speak when it's set this way.
There is also some mojo to be had by messing with the tone pot on the bridge pickup on that middle selection setting if the amp/speaker combination is really bright and hard to tame. It usually doesn't take much of a roll-off to dial it in. I like doing that tone-pot-thing when using just the bridge pickup on the Les Paul as well. It helps takes that upper mid-range spike out of it. It also helps open up a hole where the vocal can peek through. Very effective when playing through something like a Twin Reverb turned up loud. They can get ice-picky very easy even when using an attenuator like an Ox Box. The good thing about the attenuator is that the Twin can get really dirty sounding when set at about 8 without blowing the paint off the walls. That also helps tame the top end.
I read somewhere, years ago that page played a lot that way. Mid position . Bridge v 10, neck vol 9.
Been using that a lot fpr years.
I haven’t tried this yet BUT I have gone the other route and blended in a little of the bridge for a tighter neck pickup kind of sound for a solo, super cool
Recent convert to this setting. I was almost entirely wide open middle position for years. On my 2012 LP Studio with Lollars - Novel T (Tele in a humbucker rout) at the bridge, and El Reyo in the neck, the neck down to 8 is perfect.
I tried it. The thing is I was playing it through a solid state amp turned down. It did sound different. It did sound kinda cool, even through my gear with my Epiphone Les Paul.
I do something similar to this with my basses that have multiple pickups! Both full on usually scoops the mids more than I prefer, so I've found just feeling around (usually the reverse of this order, favoring the neck) changes the sound a way I like! Very cool
Love this. My '78 LP Custom neck at 7.5...My '80 LP Special at 8 and my '82 335 at 7. I'll be using this, who knew ? There's a similar thing that happens with dialling in the tone controls on an amp - a spot on the travel where the pot seems to be at an optimal point - I hasten to point out that this is a trick I learned from watching Matt Scofield...unfortunately this is all I could learn from watching him...Keep up the good work Justin. Oh I'm very touchy about lending guitars too...
On my 1968 Les Paul Custom I do 9 on the neck 10 on the bridge but I also do the opposite. 10 neck 9 bridge. The first way gets rid of the shrill with gain lead sounds and the second way adds a little sparkle to the clean rhythm sounds. I never touch the tone knobs. Always on 10.
It took me some time but, I finally heard it and I'm going to try it on my Epiphone LP
Favorite setting for my PRS McCarty SE 594 Singlecut.
LOVE THIS. Found it on my 72 tele deluxe. Killer and useful sound. Thanks dude!
Man oh man! 😊. I applied this to my SG, and solved a particular problem, I’ve been chasing for quite a while. So on the SG it was just below 8. For my Flying V, which is newer, It was 9.
Cool can’t wait to try it
Nice! Similar idea (different objective) on a strat wired with a master tone & blender pot: to get pretty close to a tele middle sound, I have the pu switch on the bridge pu, and roll back the blender to blend in only a portion of the neck. A 50/50 bridge-neck blend doesn't get nearly as close to a tele, needs to be more bridge than neck. Probably because in a strat the neck is usually stronger and in a tele the bridge is stronger, you can get close to the tele middle balance on a strat with a blender pot.
Works with 335s also!
This is apparently exactly how Clapton set his sunburst Les Paul on the Beano album.
This video feels like Christmas 🎄. Like the special Christmas, when you got something you didn’t know you were gonna get, but it ends up being the best thing you ever got. I just tried it on my Knaggs Kenai and it’s
8.5👈🏼
Thanks for sharing this one. I tried it with my 70s Tele Deluxe with Gibson P90s in it and had great results. I found a wonderful new tone I never knew the guitar had in it.
The 4 knob set up has me so hooked to my Paul’s.
You've truly impressed me-well done!
You are spot on with this--I end the P90 in the neck to thicken and mellow the bridge humbucker on my Schecter S-1 (a Les Paul Special double-cut style model). I feel like the spot is where the boom from the neck is balanced with the high end from the bridge. The tone is key to finding the right balance in my setup (Seymour Duncan P Rails and Dimebucker pickups with independent volumes, 1 tone knob with a .22mF capacitor). Neck volume 9, bridge volume 8, Tone on 3 into a Marshall Plexi-style preamp.
I paid for 2 pickups so I’m using em both! lol
Sweaty handed gunk maker here 👋🏻 🤣 and I totally get it. My guitar was around 8.5 for the frequency scoop 🙌🏻
Have a sub for walking through this - I almost never use my mid setting, going to play with this and it maybe the new default. And if it is I'm going to feel stooopid :-D
(that amp / guitar combo sounds absolutely amazing btw)
Thanks a ton!
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2:25 I used to let others "try my ax". After getting my neck, frets, strings and fingerboard grunged up a few times I started asking folks to wash their hands first. Certain guilty parties acted insulted and indignant about that so I made a new rule : "no one touches my ax". No more mister nice guy, no regrets.
I used to know some purists that would actually have pots removed, with pickups direct wired to the output jack. Over time I discovered that none of my axes have a "sweet spot" at volume 10. I sometimes will max out tone controls (0 or 10) but never the volume controls. If you want more volume use the amp, that's why they're called "amplifiers".
I'm thinking that Leo and Les never intended for 10 to be the default volume setting.
Excellent demonstration, Justin.
How about a demo applying to acoustics? The only acoustic I have that sounds better by hitting the strings super hard is a flamenco. Flamencos are designed for that.
I always do that too!
My credit card says: Thank you for letting me know that I need another Les Paul with P90 loaded... 😵💫 Great tones Justin!
The result of this hack was amazing. I would love to be able to achieve this with a Tele, too. But I guess we can just roll off the highs on the bridge and get there...but still, I'd like to be able to do this from the middle position.
Will it work with a tele or no?
@@JerboFotius can’t work with a tele bc there’s only one volume control for both pickups…the les Paul has a volume control for each pickup…but with the tele you can use the tone control to roll off the highs from position two but it’s not quite the same result
@@WSBM ahh yes
i play a Tele and i just subscribed to this channel. fascinating stuff here.
Great tip.
Thank you for sharing it!
Appreciate all your great work.
Did this on my Gretsch Semihollow, and it sounds great! There are no numbers on the pot, so I have to do it by ear every time. Thinking about my Cabronita-Tele with those amazing Jazzmaster-Pickups, the middle position is not that great. Since this guitar has only 1 Volume an 1 Tone Pot, I think I could change the Switch to an 5-stages-switch with the possibility to dial in the ratio between bridge an neck with little trim pots. It is worth a try!
I’am having coffee now. I am going to try that on all my Hum-bucker guitars.
Hey Justin! Funny thing for me... I found this accidentally with my Les Paul custom a few months ago and now use it all the time. I had the same reaction you did. My neck setting sweet spot is 7.5. Thanks for posting... enjoyed it!
If you apply that same concept to 2 out of phase pickups, lots of cool tones to be had
Thanks, I can’t wait to try it. Have a Gibson LP studio and 2 SG’s. Plus a newer Epi Sheraton 2 Pro which I’m still trying to figure out if I like at all.
Thats one of the main reasons most guitars will sound much better if the neck pickup is lower output than the bridge. When you have a nice balanced pickup set, it really opens up the guitars possibilities. 50's wiring is imperative when you have seperate volume and tone pots for each pickup. I'm not a fan of modern wiring without a treble bleed curcuit, so thats how I wire all my single volume, single tone guitars. Otherwise its 50's wiring for me, if at all possible. People think I'm crazy because I buy all kinds of different priced guitars, and just rip them apart without even really playing them. I know what I'm after, and just go for it. Once I get a vision in my head, of what I want the guitar to become. I'm on a mission then. Until the monster is complete, I cannot rest!
Danocaster agrees with you. Dan prefers a quieter neck pickup on a Tele because it makes the middle position more lively
Even though they aren't wired the same, this works well with Blacktop Filtertrons in a Gretsch 5420. BTW on my 1019 Les Paul Standard 50's the magic happens at 8 - 1/2.
Got it... note to self... get a Les Paul. Been playing years - played first LP a year and a half ago. Always good stuff JO... no reply needed.
i own only one LP and it has p90s and i discovered this trick to thicken up the bridge sound to make it thicker. 😊
I have a 72 custom LP. It seems very dark. I’ll never sell it . But sometimes I have a hard time getting it to do what I want.
I’m more of Strat guy.
Thanks for the information.
It’s 8.5 for the Seth Lovers in my 335 (50s wiring of course). Absolute Magic!
Man, love those P90s.
Les Paul 60's Standard with Seymour Duncan Erick Steckel signature "Candy" pickups. It's a 9 for me. Thanks for the tone tip.
Funny thing about this, this is why I advocate for a blend knob on the Strat. I have some Lollar Specials with a blend on the second tone, and you get something really similar to this in position five with about a half blend of the bridge. It’s sort of the opposite direction from what you’re doing on the LP, but almost the same end result. And those Specials are a bit hotter than most Strat pickups.
Faskinating! 😀 Will try this on my '68 Custom next time I'm in the studio. I usually use middle position 'clean' and push neck or bridge for solo stuff but this sounds like fun - thanks for the insight. And the guy could have been a little more polite and just asked you to play with the volume . . . some people, I guess.
I often do the same thing on a Jazz bass.
My 2014 R8 is around 9. I told this to my friend about 10 days ago and he was wtf it is so much better. And I did it while he was playing also hahahah
You just made me flip back the magnet of my neck pickup to the original position to try this. I made the Peter Green mod and, although it is very cool, it’s a very specific tone. I see myself using this trick more than the Peter Green mod. Thanks for the tip!
G'day Justin, I just tried that trick on my Gretsch Duo Jet running through the small but mighty Vox ACTV4 (set on 1/4 watt) and the same magic happened ! It's 0730 right now, can"t wait till later on to crank all the way to 4 watts 😅
Cheers mate
Fuckin rad dude! 9.25 on my Eastman SB-59. Thank you for this tip Justin! Peace.
I tried this on my Telecaster Custom. Good idea
What a great video with practical & immediate application. Thanks so much. Did my LP std, LP special with P90 and got great tones right away. Will see if this work with my Epiphone ES339 now. Made my day.
Me too. Super dry hands. And I totally know what you’re talking about other players. I remember one guy barely playing for a minute or two and there was literally visible beads of sweat on every string.
That was super useful. As it happens, I've just never massively been into the sound of bridge pickups. The only ones I actually like are my Fender Telecaster, and My Les Paul. But yeah, even then, a bit too shrill. On the Telecaster, rolling the tone back a bit helps, then driving it harder into the amp. But the Les Paul sounds pretty good, but this sounds better. Going to give it a try on my Les Paul Special, a Sire L7, and a Guild Polara Deluxe and see how it works. Oh, and I guess Epiphone Casino, it might actually work there too - that P90 in the bridge does actually sound pretty good, but does poke you in the ears a bit too much.
Great video! Thanks! I've got this 1991 pre-historic custom art 1956 Goldtop with P100s in it. I kind of do the opposite while searching for usable tones in a mix. So, the neck volume and tone are on ten, but the bridge volume and tone are on 3 or 4, and I get similar results. Now, obviously, I'm gonna try this!
Great video, I do the same thing on my vintage Casino in the middle position and it really makes things easier to record.
Very cool! I know Jimmy Herring loves this setting on both pickups w/ the neck slightly backed off. On my P90 LP I sometimes struggle w/ the neck pickup being too boomy/bassy. Sounds like yours is perfectly balanced!
Awesome. The spot I’m looking for can be pretty different on some guitars. I try it out on every Gibson I pick up.
Shhhh! Been doing this since the late 80s when I first got a real Les Paul (1978 standard). This sound is all over Zep. I do this on my DGT, too.
John Sykes and Gary Moore, Warren Haynes do/did that also....neck vol around 7-8 on my LPs. With both on.
On my 335 it's about at 8. But try this, neck pickup rolled back some in volume to maybe 7-8.....Then there's a spot on the tone pot if you roll that back, that suddenly is crystal clear. Goes against all instinct. Try it!
How is yours wired?
Nice vid, Justin. I do this from time to time. learned it from Al Dimeola back in the 80's. He always had the selector in the middle on his Les Pauls and rolled one or the other pickup volume down. The only problem I have with it is if I want to roll down to clean up; just can't roll both volumes at the same time. Thanks again.
I did the Peter Green reverse polarity magnet mod on my LP ... so I dot think that this would apply to me! ... Great video Justin 👍👍👍
BTW ... in the 70's playing in pub rock bands in the UK ... we had virtually no FX pedals ... using the guitars volume and tone settings was the only way to control the monstrous amps !
Wow great tips- never knew the strings got flat spots on the back, makes sense though..