What Are The Legalities Of Helping An Officer As A Citizen
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It's these kind of videos that truly make your channel The best in the field of self protection. Most people stop at the tactics and strategies portion while you're willing to get into the nitty gritty of the law And consequences of your actions.
My brother in law who was Air Force sec forces at the time, came across an officer trying to subdue someone.
He tried to intervene and when another officer showed up moments later he body slammed my brother and broke his collarbone. Got a payday from the department but was avoidable.
I would say avoid the situation unless the officer asks for help. Very good point.
You should do some long form legal discussions on here I’d definitely love more of the legal stuff around firearms. Love what you do thanks
Always ask the LEO is a loud clear voice PRIOR:
1-So the LEO can, if able, say yes or no
2-So the LEO knows you are a friend and not a foe
3-So the witnesses will hear your "ask" and will testify accordingly
4-So you can afford yourself to any protections available while acting as an agent of the LEO
I enjoy these briefs, too. Thanks John and Tim.
Glad you like them!
I went on a ride along with a very good friend who is a sheriff deputy. I was prior service and he knew this. He knew I could handle a weapon and that I know how to shoot well. He told me if he got in trouble, I could grab the rifle from his patrol vehicle and assist or just pick up the radio and call for help. Not certain if that is actually legal or not, but I think he only did that because he trusted me.
I recently went on a ride along and he asked if i knew how to shoot a gun i said yes. And he told me the same thing. They truly appreciate the help and to know they arent alone if SHTF for them while your riding along.
Pro tip.
Don't help the police.
No "good" deed goes unpunished.
When someone’s life is on the line, the calculus changes. Thanks for your thoughts though Zach
Can you guys do a video about the legalities of helping a citizen against an officer who starts the fight?
Great topic! Thanks John and Tim!!
Our pleasure!
Well I did it got a membership at active self protection...hope to see some more good videos...thanks guys I watch a bit everyday before going to work...
I have helped many Police Officers. Depending on the case I suspect. I caught a Purse Snatcher as my Buddy was standing next to me so the chase was on then my buddy was so gassed out I caught the guy Chocked him out.. same thing a man with a Gun came running through our Fire Department parking lot I came out of the door the Perp jumped up onto the roof of one of our firemen car so I kindly put the check on him.
"Focus on your worries death and prison" 💯
John's briefs lol that made me laugh.
I truly love the videos keep up the good work!
Bear in mind that a cop is not necessarily a good sane sober moral prudent person. A uniform is not a halo. Unless you know what's going on and how it started... best to stay out of it.
i'll just carry on and let the government do it's thing. i'm sure there are a lot of super troopers here ready to pounce! - more power to ya! : )
If I didn’t see the beginning of the situation, and if I can, I’m going to walk away (just did exactly that a few days ago). Never get involved in a situation when you’re uninformed.
Good point about not knowing the origin of the fight. If you don’t know how it started you might be helping the aggressor. I was raised to protect, but I am more cautious now.
In Michigan we have the Good Samaritan law that we as Citizens are not required but w3 can help without Any prosecution from either the state and local police Department.
Hey. Any plans to talk with Andrew Branca from Law of Self-Defense?
No.
@@ASPextra lol
Use that Dan bilzerian video trying to use an officers gun to help lol
I would for sure help out, but using deadly force to help is unlikely for me. It would have to be an extreme situation where the perp is obviously and clearly about to actually kill the cop (i.e. pointing a gun and the officer).
Generally speaking, criticizes should not engage in law enforcement. We are not trained, don't know all of the laws, codes, etc. Just because you can shoot does not mean you know what you are doing in a real world encounter. The probability of a negative outcome is 50/50 at best.
Informed common sense and prudence should guide us in those situations.
That's my two cents
"...You're never ever legally obligated to become a good Samaritan..." 3:03
Well...believe it or not, in Texas, you are REQUIRED to assist an officer if they ask:
_The peace officer who has summoned any person to assist him in performing any duty shall report such person, if he refuse to obey, to the proper district or county attorney, in order that he may be prosecuted for the offense._ - Texas CRIM P Art. 2.15. Person refusing to aid.
Can you point to an actual prosecution for that?
@@ASPextra ; )
@@ASPextra That would be interesting. Nevertheless, it is a valid and active law on the books in Texas. A prosecution, or lack thereof, would hinge on the fact that someone actually failed to offer said aid, which may have never been the case.
@@ASPextra Even more interesting I found a document titled *Fort Worth Police Department Ride-in Instructions.* One of the instructions reads as follows:
_#5-You will refrain from involving yourself in physical struggle or verbal argument with persons encountered by the officer during the tour; however, if the officer decides that your assistance is necessary and requests such assistance of you, you are bound by law to come to the officer's aid. (Article 2.14, Texas Code of Criminal Procedure)._
A law unenforced is unenforceable.
No way. I would be a great witness. Can't trust the local DA's office, way to many are blue. Also, how many have been killed by responding police...
As with most of these though experiments, do what you know in your heart is right. Even if there are legal ramifications, you'll have fought the good fight.
Just make sure you train your heart to know what is truly right.
Unless you have a family that depends on you for income and the legal system doesn't care and will throw you in jail.
How about a session about your self defense standing within a vehicle.
I'm not helping a cop unless they pay me 5 trillion dollars.
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Every minute until 2035.
Yet you want them to help you
@@JK-vc7ie lol it was a joke
@@strongerthanyouallday roger
"Don't worry about the civil liability" am I hearing this right?
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To be clear, we are in a world where cops have been convicted of murder when a fleeing suspect gets hit by a non-police vehicle and dies and parents indited for the crimes of their children, even if they were an adult. We are well into bizarro world when it comes to the justice system. Good Samaritan laws generally cover rendering medical assistance or aid, not in rendering assistance to LE. While I have no doubt you will be given deference by the DA, the same can not be said by any injured party.
Just like carrying a gun to protect your life and that of your family, it's not the risks it's the stakes. While the risk of civil case is very low, do you really want to bet your financial future on it?
That’s an attorney who specializes in these things.
""Don't worry about the civil liability" am I hearing this right?"
Practically speaking - correct. No judge would allow a civil case to move forward. No jury would find in favor of the plaintiff. Heck, even if it did move forward, the plaintiff would never make it through the metal detectors at the court house. They would be given a TSA-level body cavity search. They would not even be able to drive 3 blocks without getting a ticket, While the good guy would be given the key to the city.
I too have a concern on that take. I understand it depends on the state, but it is not easy to just declare bankruptcy and make sure your house is under homestead. There would definitely be potenital repercussions to this on your life. Not saying that one should not help a LEO who needs help, but one should understand the repercussions in doing so.
The USA seem to be the only country where in the fog of the movement to try and help an officer who clearly needs help, you need to have a legal review in your mind before you do so. Of course act responsibly but man, just do whats right.
"...you need to have a legal review in your mind before you do so"
No, you don't. No one has EVER gotten in trouble for coming to the aid of an officer.