AUSA 2019: Debut of Compound Coaxial Helicopter mock-up
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- čas přidán 15. 10. 2019
- The AVX Aircraft Company and L3Harris debut their compound coaxial helicopter mock-up for the US Army's Future Attack Reconnaissance Aircraft (FARA) programme. Nelson Fisk, Principal Analyst at Jane's talks to Lynn Morgan, Pilot, SME AVX Aircraft Company.
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By eliminating the tail rotor, safety in the air and on the ground is significantly increased.
Likewise, having no tail rotor enables the contra-rotating rotors to have more power to provide lift.
The down wash is also traveling straight down instead of spiraling. By having rotors spinning in opposite direction it eliminates the swirl component of the downwash, adding to lift.
Also, with contra-rotating blades, retreating blade stall is cancelled out, eliminating the thing that limits the top speed of most helicopters.
Well... They have a Limit: when the upper touch the lower Blades!
one shot from a 50 cal in the mast or rotor hub and its a lawn dart .... easy shot easy target super vulnerable ... once you damage one part of the rotor it loses all stability ... and the crew are doomed from then on ...
@@0623kaboom With respect, stating the obvious, that high calibre anti aircraft gunfire can bring down an aircraft by striking flight criical systems, causing catastrophic damage isn't really adding much to the discussion about this aircraft.
Any rotorcraft can be brought down by accurate, high calibre anti aircraft gunfire striking flight critical systems, causing catastrophic damage!
Actually "what we have here" is a plastic mock up.
Yet air tied.
When do we learn to flip without moving.
no shit sherlock
To me, these type of aircraft are the future of helicopters.
The KAMOV KA-52 has already been there and done that with just a Coaxial Rotor setup! Did a great job pounding ISIS in Syria
@@arvinsanolin3110 Not exactly. That is not a compound helicopter. Yes, it has a coaxial rotors - which I like - but no large winglets and additional forward thrust. Compound helicopters can fly faster then regular helicopters.
@@McRocket that ugly thing is a failure in exercise so many moving parts , more weight , more expenditure ... it's gone be another pointless money pit
Itll be another OSPREY in the making ....
KA-52 all the way...
@@arvinsanolin3110 Okaaaaay. I said this 'type' of helicopter. Not this particular model per se.
Well, you have a nice day now.
Bu bye.
Yes, It was a great Job. Contratulations to Mrº. Lynn Morgan.
-Many Armed Forces People Approved these Project!.
Looks very futuristic
Thanks a lot! I got it and will finish it within a year or less! - Your envisaged Shenzhen friends.
great work, looks great, widen the backend to instal a rear trap door platform for troops to drop down out of or parachute out of the back and it will be awesome
We love to see new helicopter 🚁
who else wants a JANE'S sim for 2020?
ATF aka Advanced Tactical Fighters & that WW2 flight sim (forgot the name) were my shit back in the day.
@@bigballzmcdrawz2921 my first Sim game was USNF 97. Then came atf and longbow
Oh Longbow 2....the memories 😌
Longbow Flashpoint Korea expansion👍
Where is the Chinese dude taking high res pictures and video of everything in AUSA?
Arcane when you see chinese will have quicker than this already hahahah
@@ernestlumezi7291 nah they copy everything from Russia and the United States, look at the recent copy of the blackhawk the z-20, Chinese carrier jet? rusian copy, 5th gen planes? weird mix of the f-35 and f-22 and not even fully stealth or 5th gen, everything is a copy from Rusian and the United States, heck even European military tech. the Chinese cars are weird copies of European and American cars also.
Out in the parking lot scattering USB thumb drives
"Osprey" days are numbered!
Arcane yes Chinese copy everything that has the value to copy, but left those junk and failure designs. For example, China will never copy the democrazy and freedoom of the west.
Cool helicopter.
Wouldn't the proximity of the pusher fans to the stub wings reduce the effectiveness of both when considering the airflow and air pressure?
hi B P...
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it is a not good design
So AVX has finally graduated to making Paper Aircraft rather than just Concept Art.
Remember seeing art for this about five years ago. Thought they'd folded since then, but glad to see they haven't. Hopefully at some point they'll get the money to build a prototype and see if it works as well as they think it will.
20 years to make a ka-52 copy....!!!
Ignacio Laforcada Do all of you dummies saying the same thing actually think it’s a copy just because it has coaxial rotors? That’s like saying an r22 is a copy of an Apache. Coaxial rotors have been a thing since the beginning of helicopters for fucks sake.
Yeah. A RUSSIAN THING :)
@@WanderfalkeAT No. It was first made by a Frenchman.
@MaverickMedia100 If you have pictures or videos of flying french coaxial helicopters of ww2 - that would help! kamow ka8 = 1946. breguet 111 = 1949! Maybe the french came up first with that concept but kamow built it first! also the 111 only had 1 example produced!
@@WanderfalkeAT brantley b-1 first flight 1946. kamov ka-8 first flight 1947. just face it. the russian military is based off copying and stealing
I guess since everyone is saying this is the same as a Russian helicopter because they both have coaxial rotors I guess every helicopter with a single rotor and tail rotor are all just identical helicopters too. Forget about all the tech inside and the pusher fans, it has a coaxial rotor system so it’s just a copy of an old Russian design that had nothing else similar to it.
These look almost EXACTLY like the war birds in Gears of War
This thing will be an avionics nightmare. It's a flying circuit board.
Can somebody link me why is a coaxial helicopter advantages? and if hit/shot which helicopter would have the highest chance of survival of landing the traditional rotor or the co axial rotor?.
Awesome! I have seen concept art of this bit didnt know there was a bulit physical prototype until now. About the competition, I know avx was applying for the gouvernment contract but didnt think they made the cut and Sikorsky sb1 was the one selected, does this mean your still in the competition? Love the co-axial concept and really amazing avionics! Cant belive all that is powered by batteries but if it is you got a real winner there, im really impressed by this helo!
I think that this is just a mockup. The military usually wants to see mockup of the aircraft, then they decide which 2 bids to choose to award prototype funding to, then those two prototypes are tested to see if they meet requirements, and the one that best fulfills requirements is the one that gets chosen for production contract.........in theory.
Do the twin ducted fans work underwater. This thing looks suspiciously like a submersible.
If they would be Jets, I'd unterstand their Use. But at Speeds of +200kts they are pretty lame :)
Performance is what worth.
Nice.
I thought there were only two contestants in this competition-the Bell V-280 Velor and the Sikorsky/Boeing SB-1 Defiant. This thing isn't even at the prototype stage yet.
Had me at no hydraulics
I always thought co-axial was "old school" seems i was wrong what an interesting machine !!!!! when can i have a r/c version .
Guess they liked the Ka-50 or Ka-52 from Russia. i won't lie, it's a cool design.
Nice; But,does it fly?
No tail rotor,but fans,which could do the same job ?.
Muy bonito helicópteros hojala se ofrezca Colombia
Take it
W O W !
That thing is too sick for words. It's the F***ING future!
yeas... the future of sixties. Cos everybody who wanted already built it 50 years ago
When you look at bells offering this is innovative but overly complex
Innovative? Russian version has been in service since the 1980s.
THERE IS A LOT GOING ON THERE.
@@burnerjack01 Russian helicopters are garbage.
@@jeffreyexposito3803 the Mi-24 would disagree
This thing looks like another fragile, easy to damage, maintenance nightmare just like what Sikorsky is offering.
So you guys have your computers for this project isolated right? Otherwise the next gen Chinese Aircraft has just been displayed
Should have used one roter and the those two in the end should have been for stealth and speed
unmanned aircraft with 50 hell fire missiles. no need more manned aircraft anymore.
...and OVER the horizon missiles.
Unmanned planes are quite tame in their flight plans as of currently.
Make a vedio about hal rudra Indian helicopter
Key word: "prototype." Just like the stuff at car shows that never goes into production.
It's cool it's all electric but will it be able to function against electronic warfare and not just drop of the sky?
They could do internal faraday cages or something. I assume it's designed to modern EW standards but I couldn't say for sure. Taking the term "drop out of the sky" more litterally though, I wonder if it can auto-rotate.
Mixed black hawk and Ka27
I think all helicopters should have a co-axial configuration. Dump the tail rotor
In the future yeah
The fact weapons can be stored enhances the potential for stealth applications. Why have the ISR components atop The nose rather than below it?
That is for when your Heli Mockup has to look Multifunctional but you have no Room on the Belly for it :) But be sure if you ask them - They put 20 Seonsors all around it when they present that JOKE again :)
Electronics are better than hydraulics?
looks like a lot of moving parts (i.e. lots of broken parts that equal more maintenance and replace parts....more money)
Gave me Kamov-52 vibe
I do kind of question putting the H-stab right behind the fans, but I'm guessing someone ran the math on that...
Maybe they divert thrust from the fans. 🤔
Low vibration level? I think you are going to have high vibration issue, and the Reason is because you have choosen 4 blade rotors
Nico De Toffol how come? More blades give more vibrations? Havent heard of it before.
I didn't say that, I said 4 blades
@@abvmoose87 I said 4 blades
Ok, what blade rotor would have been optimal do you think?
@@abvmoose87 for a vibration point of view I'd better choose odd number for blades than even number. In case of twin rotors, especially coaxial rotors, I think two rotors of 3 blades would be ok, maybe 5 blades wouldn't be good from An aerodynamics point of view. In case of 4 blades per rotor I'd suggest adjustment with a rotor crossed (+position)and the other 45 degrees moved (X position)
How ti be clear
Please forgive my english I Am Italian
Can you mount weapons in the wings sir????
Well you could but you dont want to. Because the more clear the surface is the more lift will be generated when the fans accelerate the helicopter horizontaly. Which can allow the pilot to reduce RPMs of the coaxial rotor and maintain altitude
hi E L...
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not good design about the side wing
The real question is, how does this stack up against the Sikorsky Raider? Can this company really compete against an established player like Lockheed/ Sikorsky?
Dwane Anderson that will be really interesting to see for sure! The fact that they got a physical prototype made this late in the race seem to suggest someone higher up want to evaluate what it can do.
Design for commercial transport, but first sell it to the millitary for RnD budgets
The moment the blueprints were uploaded, the Chinese knew every single specification and the entire recipe in how to make it.
pusher props are electric?
electric motor, no transmission shafts that way. just big fat high voltage power cord.
Why do companies keep putting the joystick on the “armrest” sort of area (helo companies and jet companies). Just keep it traditional and have the stick in the middle. Particularly in helicopters where control is harder.
This is a fly by wire hybrid rotorcraft, not a helo at all.
At 2:48, the aircraft is destroying residential areas???🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@WE WUZ VIKANGS!!! n shiet. What a "tough guy" you are.
Waiting for this technology to become commercial
it is. kamov got commercial co-axial helicopters
@@jebise1126 o really. You mean people own this for private use?
@@yungdadi yes you can buy ka 32. it pretty big and expensive but its civilian. ka 226 is smaller and i think also civilian version can be bought. both are co-axial but no pusher props there
@@jebise1126
Odlično si objasnio!
Sad mu objasni šta znači "Jebi Se"! 😂😂😂😂😂
I think the Sikorsky s97 will be available as corp version pretty soon, prob will be quite expensive though. I think there is some european brand though making a light affordable co-axial helo. Can't remember thr name though.
Future Attack Reconnaissance aircrafT. FART.
SBD
Hasn’t Russia had this type chopper forever or is this new technology?
If AMERICA says it is new, you better BELIEVE IT :)
@@WanderfalkeAT the americans have one on display in one of e military museums ... virginia I think ... it was shown to be downable with a single 308 round to the mast ... and was discontinued because of the quick death of crew once hit ... circa 1960 ... this design is so old it almost a century old now
and even davinci had a dual stacked rotor version as well as his corkscrew one ...
@@0623kaboom Davinchi also had a Glider that didn't fly also, Is he now the Father of Airplanes? LOL! He also had a Turtle Wooden rolling Thing - Now he is the Father of Tanks? FACT: The Russians are the Coax Chopper Makers - You guys Copy everything. In Fact I'd call you Chinese, but you simply buy the Tech and say it's yours :) Even your first Jets where impossible without Whittle! And don't get me started with Rocket Tech - BIG L-O-L!
Russians already have this hardwere remember the buran shuttle?
Kamov-52
The one that never flew?
What about the alligator that been flying for abit i think.. russia makes far better helicopters always has
@@hardmcshaft5665 yes
KA-52 Alligator
useless rusian helecopter
wow they invented the KA-52
What we have here is a rip off of the Kamov Ka-50 because we couldn't think of a better design! Tells you something?
All electric..everyone wants to know..how it will handle with an EMP directed toward it?
Helicopters don't glide!
@@SB-xt6gb they do auto-rotate though.....
@@neilcarey5341 Thanks for the info.
He says the chopper is all electric forgetting that Russian Alabuga EMP can incinerate all electric/electronic circuits on board in no time and render the chopper and other American flying machines obsolete!!
Amos Lukyaa uhhhh you do realize that military electronics are hardened against EMPs right ?
@@ozzy7763
May be protecting against Mickey Mouse USA manufactured EMP generators not Russian no nonsense Alabuga is capable of incinerating all semiconductors even if the circuit boards are screened with 15 inches thick area 51 manufactured alloys for protection, Alabuga will still fry Uncle SAMs electronic circuit boards like French fries - Russian never bluffs, when they say gotta ground breaking weapons you better take them seriously.
@@amoslukyaa5792 rUsSiAnS nEVeR BLuFf
I like Sikorsky’s version better, but this is still a beautiful machine.
I'd like to see the ones their not showing
Dean Robert same. Always makes me wonder what toys they have in their deep dark d.u.m.b s
Degraded Visual Environment? Do you mean, it works well in the dark?
Large disposable drones only way to go !!
I hope they are not competing against Lockheed raider X attack helicopter. Side-by-side pilot capabilities is really not In issue to worry about because flight controls can be switched from pilot to pilot even if they’re sitting front and back positions. With the wings that’s probably gonna carry extra fuel and the two prop fans along with that Wide ass whale tail of a tail is going to cause unnecessary air drag that will Limit hi speed capabilities. Lockheed Raider X has a more suitable aerodynamic slipstream airframe for high-speed capabilities. No,I do not like the Raider X wide ass whale tail as well. I still believe that Boeing’s Comanche is a better platform for a dual blade system that has a way better stealth Version of a Attack helicopter concept. This is one time that I really think that Boeing should I put their hat in the game. I really think Lockheed and Boeing should really hook up on this one. Hope you’re listening Penny potluck. Sincerely, Cinderella😎
Airwolf vibes
It looks like airwolf
So they put fans on a Russian design.. innovative!
And wings.
Side by side pilots is wrong for an attack helicopter.The field of view is compromised for both pilots. How many fighter type aircraft have been developed with side by side seating? If one is incapacitated, the other is partially blinded.
So much stuff to go wrong... Ease of maintenance you say? I highly doubt it.
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Why would i send this out , when i can send drones with the same weapons and way more smaller foot print and zero danger to life ?.
Drones won't hold a crew
Although the Russians have been at it longer (and it's a proven design), they don't have the ducted booster fans. So these guys here still deserve a little credit for adding their own spin on it.
HAHAHA! HAHAHAAAAHAHAHA! If you put a Spoiler on your Chevy, you can claim to have invented the Car? HAHAHAAAHAHA! That gave me a REAL Laugh, thanks :)
double rotary system is a copy of Russian technology
Well it's just a rotor system it's not neccisarily copied
@@aldenroswell8504 if it's Russian it's not copied but if it's American its copied?
We live in a American World, where Water is Blue and Russians are BAD!
Germany developed this technology during WWII.
Not the same Kind. The Flettner had 2 Rotorheads side by side with each having 2 Blades contrarotating made them not touch each other. Well seen in the Flettner Fl 265. A great Design because it was not so complex like the one KAMOV was using. Anyway, it limited the Blades per Head to 2. And it wasn't very silent. Some Ultralight Plane/Choppers are still using it Today.
Coaxial has the BEST performans! russians are good in that! but it can be proven more mainly in the rotor area all other futures is good this heli is good! the invictus from bell has perfect rotor but i think can go an step forther! we talk for tottaly cloose rotor area! yes..next step is rotor disc enclosed but all together like thespinning top performans ! to land an heli on your tip of your finger und fly without any..noise! is all about rotor! the rotor in this model the two rotors are much apart each other needs so more work! work needed allso the aerodynamics must be more thinn ! the bell has it all more better but this combine propulsion system is very good as an good third hand! very good in low und heavy landings and low altitudes manovers
Not bad, Russia develope coaxial rotors and side by side pilots helis like 20 years ago, but you are doing great behind...
just another expensive money dump.
You take that back! You know nothing, this is a cost effective hodge podge of proven mature tech.
"If You Want Peace, Be Prepared for War"
Signs: Jesus Christ, Very Very Very Sorry Before Being Captured by Invaders of the Roman Empire Troops████²¹.²¹©™®
I’m sure your expertise is...lol never mind couldn’t even finish it
@@Veldtian1 im sorry. very. it is an over-engeneered-super-cost-efficient-toy. :-P
@@yabranovitromanov2538 it spelled: Si vis pacem, para bellum. in Latin that means, if you want peace, then prepare for war. That was said long before Christ's redemption. And before you ask, He was not sorry for being captured.
It may sound stupid. But why is this purpose needs a whole new military program?? Why not brings back the commanche program and be done with it???
Clones of Kamov? Hahaha!
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
It is normal for the Yanks to copy everything. In that Regard they are like the Chinese :) Just that they normally buy the Foreign Companies and grab the Patents before they say - Oh look we designed something New :) That does not work with the Russians and KAMOV ;) Also the Alligator grabs that Thing and f*cks it in the Arse because it thinks it's a Lady Alligator, with side mountet Propeller Titts :)
@@WanderfalkeAT But it's not stealing via espionage. Doing it through legitimate business is not necessarily a bad thing.
Russia did not invent Coaxial rotors. A Frenchmen did that or maybe Italian. The first American coaxial helo was made before the first Russian coaxial helo. The SB1 Defiant looks about as much as a Kamov as your newest Kamov looks like the very first coaxial helo developed in USA in the early 1940's.
Abraham Zuñiga no
1:52 Stealth capability.
Go USA!
Let's hope it's designation is not 737 😉
this thing looks so dumb were is the ah-66
hand it up there going to be no more wars
Looks like a nightmare to work on.
Very Kamov
Why are they still using Rotors... Some dude has already deigned one around the F35B lift fan. That does away with Rotor Blades. Thus is does not need a tail boom. Forward flight is combination of lift fan and the Turbine Engine....And it's fast and quieter with the same amount of lift capacity. In a compact air frame...
Doubt it. No way it's quieter than a rotor system, and fuel/power efficiency, controllability, and durability would not come close
@@ChevTecGroup You idiot.. You can see the results of such systems in a store bought Drone...As those 60 foot Rotor Blades are loud..One reason they try so hard to remove the Tail Rotor. The Fuel capacity of them are limited to 2 hours. Are far more intensive in flight control. Higher Maintenance man hours...
So I suggest you read more. As I can tell you never been around them..
Thank You...
i agree like the one in the movie avengers
@@MasterChief-sl9ro I've been a helicopter mechanic for over a decade. I guess me and all the engineers at Lockheed, Sikorsky, Boeing, Airbus, and every other major manufacturer is dumber than you and your videogame/movie experience. Multirotor drones do work well but only for smaller rotor blades. The way they are controlled are completely different. Drones control thrust by varying the speed of a rotor, on larger systems the inertia of the rotors is too big to overcome. Also, drones fly for a matter of minutes, helos fly for hours. While Multirotor systems are very cool and are promising. They definitely don't beat traditional helicopters when you are trying to fight a war or do real work. Keep playing your video games til you get old enough to try the real thing
@@MasterChief-sl9ro and your mention of a turbine system like the f-35 to make a helicopter shows you know nothing. Will it hover? Yeah, but not much else. I had 2 Apaches hovering 300 yards from me at 100ft AGL last week and didn't know they were there until I looked up. And the loudest rotor system in the military is the mv22 osprey, which is the closest thing to what you describe yet shakes building the farthest away. The f-35 and harrier are even louder but at a much higher tone.
Looks like an Alligator with propfans. This is going to be a maintenance nightmare.
They will all be maintenance nightmares compare to the OH-58.
@@cleo1488Coaxial counterrotating props, prop fans, retractable gear. Sounds lots more complex than anything the army is flying currently. And the all electric controls could go either way. No hydraulic fluid to deal with, but electrical gremlins can be tough to find.
BB MW Complex, but I love the innovation. If maintenance is the main priority then Bell Invictus 360 will win.
I don't think they are going to get far with this bird. Just contemporary helicopters have better sensors and more storage and payload.
notafakeaccount I don’t think they will get far with FARA overall.
Soon rotors will be replaced with giant fan jets. With speeds of 300knts.
I could make a better Heli/plane in Simple Planes.
It seems very EMP-vulnerable.
Looked promising untill I saw the pilot at 3:31
So, it doesn’t fly but looks pretty...🤔
Hammerschlägen M because he just told us in the video hence my post. 😏
Hammerschlägen M no worries my friend, no worries 😉😊
That looks like that russian navy copter, are you guys kidding no way, there has go to be something better.
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Halo called, they want the future back! Sweet chopper!
Wow. Another "competition" that will cost billions and end up being canceled anyway.
I've just accepted the fact that the U.S. Armed Forces will keep operating 1960's design relics until they all fall apart, and we'll have no more choppers.
Oh have a little more faith the UH-60 was started in the 80s
Sikorsky can't make one that doesn't crash, only the French hold the world speed record for helicopter in level flight.
JoJo Rox What are you talking about? Which Sikorsky crashed? The Sikorsky in competition with this havent crashed as far as I know? The X2/S-97/SB-1 is ultra stable and performs like s champ, will most likley win the contract but I like this helo as well. Please explain what crash youre talking about.
The thing can't even land without tearing its rotorblades off. The prototype that crashed in 2017 has not been repaired. The French helicopter that holds the speed record is far more stable.
JoJo Rox I didnt know of a crash but I guess youre referring to the hard landing. I didnt thinkmuch of it but maybe it was more serious than I realised. Which one is the french one? Is it a different model?
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So if the pilot is unconscious he cannot transfer control of the aircraft to the co-pilot?