MiiCoffee D40+ Review Single Dosing Grinder for $200
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- We are getting spoiled. Here is a single dosing 40mm conical espresso focused grinder for just $200. And that with all metal construction, a 150 watt motor, relatively quiet grind, and a nice baffle. In this video, we look at the D40+ from MiiCoffee.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:10 Features and Design
3:32 Disassembly
5:06 Retention
5:34 Grinding (1) without Declumper
7:22 Reassembly
7:55 Grinding (2) with Declumper
9:53 D40+ vs Smart Grinder Pro
10:03 Shot 1 (declumper installed)
12:02 Shot 2 (declumper removed)
14:29 D40+ vs SGP vs Opus vs ESP
15:03 MiiCoffee vs Turin
15:47 Outro
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Thanks for watching, comments welcome!
How's the grinder compared with the hibrew 5G which one would you prefer?
Hi if am making latte what setting should the grinder be at.
From my vast two-year journey of watching espresso videos on CZcams, here's a groundbreaking discovery: espresso grinders make good espresso. Shocking, right? Haven't stumbled upon a single grinder capable of ruining espresso yet. I won't stop my journey at this video.
Would love to see this vs the DF54
I saw this during Black Friday on Amazon but was hesitant to pull the trigger because I didn't see any reviews on it outside of the ones on the Amazon listing. Thank you for posting up a review on this unit! I ended up going for the Varia VS3 ver.2 during Black Friday. Had I seen this review then, I might've committed to this grinder instead.
Great video tom! I recently got one of these thanks to this video and its incredible
I'm happy you're happy!
Love the way you refer the Smart grinder pro in an Aussie accent. Thanks for the review!
Watched a few of your videos now and must say i like your content. I bought this exact grinder a few days ago and waiting for delivery. It seems i won't be disappointed 👍
Hope you enjoy your new grinder!
I got this grinder for my bambino and its work very well
One thing I did was take the top cover apart, and removed the threaded colar, and cleaned the threads really good. I put some food safe grease on it, Super Lube 21030, and reassembled. Made the adjustment much more pleasant and smooth. Also greased the bottom of the collar where it pushes the burr plate down. Made a huge difference.
Nice review!
Your editing at min 11 when pulling the shot was really good.
Very thorough, and well done review. One feature I look for in grinders is how easy it is to disassemble and clean. It seems pretty straight forward on the D40+. The other competitors are easier with tool-less removal, but they also have plastic frames and stepped adjustments.
Great grinder for the price!
Btw, I always look forward to hearing you say “Excellent” in your vids 😂
I agree, it does seem to be a nicely built grinder for the price, and with a competent baffle and stepless grind, it's covering the espresso bases.
Amazing review!!
Glad you liked it!
I bought this Miicoffee D40+ on Amazon and it's a fantastic entry grinder. Currently I usually get 0% retention, from time to time I get 0.1g. A massive step up from the integrated grinder on my DeLonghi.
Awesome! Thanks for the feedback!
did you remove that anti-static thingy?
Can you tell me what's your grind setting for a latte drink?
Thanks for this video I ordered this through Ali express as the xeoleo 016 with the upgraded 40mm 8 spoke titanium burr set for $115 with a coupon for $10 off so $105.
Excellent model comes in alot if names
Awesome grinder! Really well built for it's price point.
Agreed! Well machined, capable motor, nice grind adjustment. Pretty sweet for $200.
Just watched the video and they had a black refurb for $149 so I nabbed it. Thanks!!
Ive had it for a month now and i love it!
I use this grinder with my flair 58, flair classic and Delonghi ecp 3xxx, works fantastic for all of them. 1.1-2.0 for my 58, 2.0-3.0 for the other machines. Used an opus before and I’d definitely call this an upgrade
Thanks for your feedback! I find too, that I have to grind finer for my LP, so it's similar for your Flair it seems. Cheers!
I have the Turin DF40 you mentioned and I assume it’s basically the . It’s a little inconsistent but I do like it. It’s exactly what I wanted: single dose, small, quiet-ish, and with a bellow for less retention. Sometimes a bean will get stuck and you need to give it a little shake. Might explain why you have a whole gram of retention sometimes
I was headed to bed but saw the notification, so I had to watch. I've been curious about this one since I saw first caught wind of it. Too bad I already got the ESP because the stepless adjustment in this might have made the difference. However, at this point if I were to buy another grinder, I think I'd want to go a step higher. That said, this seems like a nice one for someone who doesn't yet have an electric grinder.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us!
I have several grinders but for espresso I only have a range of like 5 settings as they are all multi use (and cheap), been trying to compare this with the sage and esp before deciding on one. Would have got the esp but it's either out of stock or daft prices so I bought this one. First proper review I've seen.
I mean the ESP is also good. Similar design, albeit a 6 bladed burr instead of 8. The D40+ is better built though. I think it's also a bit quieter and it comes with a bellows.
Yeah, I don't really regret my purchase but there are times when having a stepless adjustment would be nice. More often than not shot times are around 4-6 seconds difference between clicks but I do drink coffees where that isn't the case and a between step would make a difference. @@TomsCoffeeCorner
Hello Tom. Looks like that MiCoffee little dude is a winner.
I’ve been using it for three weeks with my Gadia evo Pro and I’m a really satisfied with the espresso that I get every morning
Nice review!
Pretty nice grinder👍. Not a single-doser type of guy personally, but if I was, I'd probably go with that.
Thanks for the great review Tom! Comparing this to the Eureka Mignon Manuale, do you have a favorite or recommendation? Are any of them preferrable if you would like to brew filter coffee as well?
I'd suggest the Manuale over this for sure. More solid build, better motor, heritage, Italian design. But honestly they both do good for espresso. I'd have to do more brew filter tests honestly, to give an opinion on that aspect. Cheers!
Great video thx 😊🙏
What's RPM of the motor?
Your video was very interesting!
I was having trouble finding reviews of the D40 in Japan, as there are very few.
But your video was very helpful.
Thank you 😊
I have one question for you.
How much beans can this grinder grind at a time?
I usually brew in a pwerover.
Sometimes I want to brew a lot at once.
If I can grind about 30 grams, I am happy.
Is that possible?
Sorry for my weird english.
I look forward to your continued success!
Thank you very much! I normally grind 16 grams or so, but there's more room for sure. I'd say twice that amount will fit without issue. Cheers!
Hi Tom, thanks for all your great and informative videos! I received the Dedica as a gift for Christmas and we are now in need of an espresso grinder. You researched many grinders which is very helpful. I like the Baratza ESP per your video but I’m wondering if the KitchenAid burr grinder does any good for espresso. It claims it does and the reasons it is so intriguing are also a timed dispense, very quiet, PF mount and looks. Have you heard anything about that grinder or are you able to test it?
By the way, I’m from Germany but now live in the US. Cool to see you in German stores 👍🏻
Thanks for all the effort you put into your videos. Im making sure to use one of your affiliate links. Already upgraded to your IMS basket and portafilter 👍🏻
Hi there! I have heard from one person on a forum, that they like their KitchenAid for espresso. I have not tried it however. Viel Spass in Amerika, und alles gute!
New to pulling espresso.
After replacing the pressurized basket that came with our machine with a unpressurized one I've found that the grinder we have might be the issue I'm having.
After watching your review I've decided I'll give this grinder a shot and see if I can dial in my shots 🤞
Having used the grinder for the last month, I've got to say; it's been worth it.
Excellent review! This looks like it could be a great little grinder for espresso, with its small counter-space footprint and simplicity. Once you have it dialed in, I imagine you having to make little adjustments based on how fresh your beans are over time, but that will be true for almost any grinder (grinding more fine as beans get old). I would have liked to see the grind weight with and without RDT, and with the little declumper removed to see if that had any effect on grind retention for comparison. Static is the bane of my espresso existance. I don't like having to weigh 0.1-0.2 grams more per dose to account for retention. I won't lie when I say I would rather use a second grinder specifically for pour over coffee, simply because I don't want to move my dial back and forth from my ideal espresso setting (espresso grind is more fussy and less forgiving than pour over grind).
I agree with all that you said. Also, using RDT probably would’ve helped, and I will have to remember to do that next time. I try out a grinder like this.
Hi Tom nice video, thinking about getting a grinder.. would this be an option against a hand grinder like the king k6? Wondering about these two.. thanks and keep the great work.
I am thinking in the cup results will be similar, but this is of course a big time saver, and a better workflow in my opinion.
I hope you can review more Chinese brands!
Thank you for the video Tom. Would you suggest this over the Baratza Encore esp? I am debating between the 2 and can't find any comparisons. Thank you
Well if you want to single dose, then yes. Otherwise go for the more reputable brand.
Excellent review! But I would also like to know if the company after-sales service is comparable to a company like Baratza?
Thanks! Sorry, but I cannot answer your question regarding service. I'd take a look at Amazon reviews of products the company sells to get an impression of that.
Thanks for the review! Can it grind for french press or similar?
It can, but going between that and espresso might be a little tricky.
I love how small it is, but I think i'd go with df54, the only issue is that I'm scared I'd get the df64 while waiting for the df54 to become avaialble....
Hi Tom,
after your positive review of the Fellow Opus, I purchased that grinder and now I'm looking for a good, affordable espresso machine to pair with it.
Since you've now reviewed a few MiiCoffee products, I think it would be cool, if you could take a look at and review the new MiiCoffee Apex (apparently also known as the Turin Legato).
Keep the awesome content coming 👍
Best regards from Bad Aibling,
Thomas
Bad Aibling?! Na so was! Hit me up on my website/email. I should be receiving the Apex soon.
James Hoffman’s most recent video indicates that a generous water spray of the beans, more than traditional RDT, reduces static even more than traditional RDT. The water addition causes fines to declump in the basket, leading to improved flow. Either RDT or generous RDT might reduce both spray of grounds coming from the grinder and retention.
Tried that a couple yrs ago. I got flat burrs and they caked full of fines real bad, like cement.
64 mm titanium burrs.
One spray is better, trust me.
I agree here, one spray to not get any gunked burrs. I have accidentally done that once on my Specialita, and I had to take the whole thing apart.
But either way, a little RDT is something interesting to be experimented with.
It's good watching reviews from someone who I'm guessing is an engineer, has a very scientific/impartial vibe to it!
The dial is confusing. I just got mine after a long backorder. I didn't open it up or anything prior to use, and dialed back from 0 to 4.4 to finally get something good. I would start actually not choking my machine at around 3.9, and dialed from 4 to 4.4 to finally get a great 2 to 1, 17g, 38g, 30seconds
I have this exact same grinder under a generic brand. It’s a perfect budget option paired with my Dedica. On average I get about 0.2g retention, but I haven’t checked if it has the anti-clump thing. For kicks, I’d love to compare with a flat burr grinder to see if I get any other nuances. But for the price and build quality, I can’t imagine finding anything better (at least in my area).
Where did you get the generic brand?
@@ezpzworkouts ebay, but they're not made quite as well
Did you RDT the beans? I didn't notice that you did. I wonder what effect that would have with and without that metal piece installed?
No, I didn't. Yes, it would be interesting to remove the declumper again and try RDT. But I am too lazy in real life to RDT every time to be honest. I tend to just keep my declumpers installed.
Hello, and about hibrew g5? Thank you!
Thanks for the clear review! Although you are doing your best to see some of the cons as pros, it has too many cons for me.
At this price point I personally would move up a bit and get a second hand established mark instead of this one.
I don't agree with your perception that I am seeing cons as pros. I clearly stated that there is still retention, and some people will dislike that there's no off switch. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Ok, that's your perception of mine, since I am talking about cons you are not clearly naming a con, but I can see in the vid for myself. Things like the button that just doesn't seem to work well, the antistatic rubber thing that holds much grinded coffee inside (between 0.5 and 1.xg) for me seems quite a big gap (not a really big con though) and the fact that you need to turn the grinder setting 'of the grinder markings' is a big con for me if you compare it to other machines which you can use within the marked range for both espresso as for pour over.
P.s. Don't get me wrong, I am a follower of your channel for quite some time now and like your content. And as I said in my first post thanks again for making great reviesws. Its just my opinion that when you receive a product free of charge for a honest review, you have to be critical too.
Anyhow greetings from a coffeeloving Dutch neighbor.
@@ItaloMike84 You're free to take the information any way you like, and yes I plan to still give my honest observations. But you have to keep the price in mind, realize there's no perfect grinder. I have tested many, and even those that claim zero retention usually still get grounds stuck in the chamber, or behind the declumper, or in the exit chute. It's just kind of a challenge. I think though, that for $200 it's hard to fault the grinder, as long as it holds up. As for turning the adjustment collar to find the right grind, this is not an issue for me either, since I do the same on my Eureka Specialita. Now I will say even on this comment section, that the Specialita is my favorite grinder. But it costs double. Anyway, I have heard your comment and wish you a good day. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks for taking the time to 'discuss' our thoughts! I wonder how the odds are when putting this grinder against for example a Graef CM702 wich is half the price of this D40+ or the CM800 which is similar priced. Would be a nice comparison.. ;) Good day to you Tom!
I just watched one of your other videos and have the same question: Would you recommend this for a person who likes espresso and pour-over?
It's usable for that, yes. You can switch pretty well between espresso and pour over. That being said, I'd suggest the DF54 for this. It's more solid, and more intuitive to use.
Tom, is it necessary to have a coffee distributor? I have everything you recommended for my De'Longhi 885M, IMS basket IMS shower screen, WDT, spring-loaded tamper, normcore porterfilter, I also use a chemex Puck filter and screen. and I'm pretty happy but never tried using a coffee distributor. What are your thoughts?
To be honest, I’ve never used one. I feel like WDT must distribute better. But feel free to try one out if you like. :-)
When mounting the scale again, how do you ensure that this was not changed when it was unmounted? So, how do you ensure that the scale is same as before the unmount?
I'm really curious, did you try spraying the beans with some water and check the retention after? It helped me alot on the Graef where with a single dose bellow and spritzing the beans get me down to 0.1 to 0.2g of retention.
That’s a good idea. Maybe I will have to do an additional video as an appendix about that topic. Do you know if the Graef has a declumper?
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I don't think it does. I mean you can clearly see the burrs through the chute.
Hello Tom, I have a De longhi Dedica, so I need advice on the grinder, if it is not too big, thank you very much.
I showed in the video these two side by side. The D40+ is more narrow, and just a little taller. I think it'd make a nice match to the Dedica. Cheers!
If I needed a grinder just now I'd be ordering this one after watching this.
Just imagining upending that 58mm cup over my 54mm PF...
Just get a funnel/dosing ringfor your 54mm basket, it fits perfectly then. Mine only cost £6, solidly built, and goes well with my £1 needle distributor tool 😁
@@googletitsfost Yebbut I said "if I needed a grinder". I don't.
How does it compares against the grinder in the breville barista express impress? I'm a beginner
Well, the burr is an updated design, and the stepless resolution is much better. Less retention too. You'll be able to dial in shots better with the D40+.
Right now I’m using Lavazza Crema bones (not sure if bones is the right word, but I think you know what I mean) could you recommend any bones to me that you would say are better and give a better creamer may be a better taste, but that are not much more expensive and what would you say about the Lavazza bones in general do you think you can make good coffee with them right now. I’m using them in combination with a DeLonghi, Delica, C685 And a nice bottomless porter filter from Amazon. Also, would there be anything else that you would recommend me to change to get the perfect creamer?
Which market are you in? I like these: martermuehle.de/products/m-espresso
@@TomsCoffeeCorner im sorry but im not intierly shure what do you mean with market like coutnry in this case germany or if shop amazon ?
@@Jomaxp if you are in Germany, then try Dinzler. Can’t go wrong.
Hey, I've read reviews that this grinder has very soft stepped adjustments, which is concerning since this is marketed as having stepless adjustments. Can you please speak on that? Does it have true stepless adjustments, or are there extremely small clicks?
Is there our two versions.
The one with steps (I'll have it) and this stepless one.
It's stepless. It's just a fine threaded collar mechanism, without steps.
What grind setting did you use. Just got same grinder and recommended setting is to dense to extract.
Between 2.5 and 3.5. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner interesting need to set mine to 5.5 or above to pull a shot. 6-6.5 to get a decent shot.
I have Graef 702 and it has TERRIBLE retention. Coffee is everywhere. That is why I am thinking about upgrading
What would you say in terms of this or the Turin Sk40, they look the same and some people say they work the same. Your thoughts?
I think they are the same, except for how the grind is adjusted. I like the adjustment better on the D40+ tbh. Cheers!
Nice thumbnail
Hi, how does this compare with the Sage Smart Grinder Pro. I am looking to uograde from the integrated grinder in my De Longhi La Specialista Arte. I brew espresso 99% of the time.
I find they're very similar: both conicals, 40mm, etc. D40+ has a bellows, so you can blow out all coffee particles. SGP has some smart features. Good luck with your choice!
@@TomsCoffeeCornerDoes the difference in power (150W vs 300W) between this two (SGP and D40+) and the Mignon manuale make a difference? Would you recommend conical against flat burrs for a beginner making some espresso and mostly lattes with a EC685? Thanks in advance
i have this grinder, i spritz some water on my beans and i get near zero retention when doing that
Nice! Thanks for the feedback 👍
You need to try the DM47
No, I actually didn't know that existed...cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner the Turin branded ones have open box sale for only $169. You have a strong following of Dedica users and this being so compact would be a great match for them.
Why not use a small ball mill?
What do you mean by ball mill?
So, is this the same grinder as the turin sd40?
Looks upgraded to me though especially that stepless adjustment
@@ducttaperulestheworl sd40 is also stepless, they just have the pin at the back that holds the notches, you can remove it and have it stepless
Turin and MiiCoffee offer essentially the same (or nearly the same) rebranded products, from Chinese manufacturers. I talk about that at the end of the video. Cheers!
that looks similar to the chinese itop 40 grinder
or even the hibrew g5 but cheaper :D
New kid? It's the turin sd40 from the same chinese manufacturer with different branding XD
Seems like a cheaper electric grinder in the $150-$200 range would be paired with a cheaper espresso machine under $250 or so, and it seems like most of the cheaper espresso machines will have a portafilter smaller than 58mm. Unless I’m wrong on that thought, how would this grinder do with a smaller catching cup, like a 51mm? I was curious since I have the ECP3420. Great video, this grinder seems pretty solid.
I've shot the grounds into a slightly smaller catch cup, and it worked out fine - the grounds don't spray much when the declumper is installed.Cheers!
its the sk40 rebranding basicly so its not that bad
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Cool, thank you!
I just got this and it’s so confusing. Why does the ring keep on spinning and spinning??
Well, you can coarsen the grind as much as you like, by turning clockwise. It’s nice to have that range, actually.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner so the smaller the space between the coarser it gets? Or the bigger the space? Sorry. But today alone I’ve tried 5 times. Using 18g each time and it’s so frustrating to waste 😓
The smaller the number, the finer it gets. You will get to a point where you can’t go finer, the ring will stop turning. The larger the number, the coarser it gets. The ring will spin in a full 360. E.g, in the video he explains that he’s at around 2 for espresso, but he turns a full 360 (in the coarse direction), and lands back on 2 for the pour over range.
@@jakubchamera2460 yeah I understand the smaller vs larger number thing. What I don’t like is why it can keep spinning. It makes it confusing when dialing in because I always have to bring it back to where the burrs touch and start from there. I wish they just touched at 0 and ended at the biggest number so I didn’t have to go around multiple times
@@tianalo6512I think the idea is that if it didn’t keep spinning around you’d have much less control over the grind size. More steps would have to be compacted into one single spin of the dial. It’s a trade off at the end of the day. I personally prefer the higher level of control and granularity that comes with the adjustment collar spinning around further, but some may not care for it.
this or Batatza esp???
Well this is stepless, and has a nice bellows. Otherwise, I'd say they're really similar. I like the ESP for the hopper, personally - seeing as I don't always single dose. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you for the reply. 😄
For anyone making this choice, I have a suspicion this is also quieter than the esp, I was pleasantly surprised by its noise output - if that is an important factor. It is also fully metal built vs plastic on the esp. Worth mentioning that the esp in the UK can be found for around £159 (only if you can find any stock at all) and the d40+ for around £199. I was faced with the same choice and went d40+, so far so good.
I just found this grinder at bargain hunt for 12 dollars
Easy pass thanks to your review 😂
No problem 👍
So its a dropshipping product lmao
I don’t quite think so. I think they order a whole bunch of these, and then distribute from the USA for example. It might work differently in Europe, however.
Good morning,
Could I have some purchasing advice?
I am looking for an espresso machine as well as a grinder.
For a single person drinking 1 to 2 caffeinated drinks per day.
I'm interested in the accessories and the little ritual that goes into making espresso. I am therefore moving towards a manual machine but preferably with a 58mm filter holder. A powerful steam wand because I'm a total neophyte even though I must have watched hundreds of videos on the subject.
The big difficulty is having good equipment for a reduced price.
Here are the products I have currently spotted:
Grinders:
Sage the Smart Grinder Pro
MiiCoffe D40
Baratza Encore ESP
Rommelsbacher EKM 500
Espresso machine:
Sage Bambino more
Gaggia Classic Evo
Lelit PL41TEM
Lelit Gilda PL41 Plus
Machine with integrated grinder:
BREVILLE Barista Max
Breville VCF152X Barista Max+
Lelit PL042TEMD
And if I ever decided to take a fully automatic machine I would take:
Siemens EQ300 (I don't know which model yet)
Well, any of those first 3 grinders will do the job. The Bambino Plus has the best steam wand of those listed, but not a 58mm brew group. The GCP is nice, but the steam wand is its weakest point imho. Good luck!