Does this really have to be a competition? Especially given that the channel giving this discussion a platform is German (the D in DW stand for "Deutsche"=German) and the participants are Kenyan, I'd hope we can leave the petty squabbles behind and focus on the topic at hand.
He says we should not wear a Rainbow when we go to church. Does he also criticize a Buddhist who comes in Robes? You turn people away from your church. What else do you need for you to realize your wrong?
🇺🇬 Whether you Stopped talking about LGBTQ in UGANDA or not they are there to Stay whether you or your president Museveni likes it or not and nothing you can do about it. PERIOD. Get it? ❓❌
Something about your statement doesn’t sit right with me. If those people are suffering why don’t you care? You’re basically saying “we don’t care about giving you the rights you’re asking for because we care more about other things. We have no interest in considering that things that you are asking us to”. I actually stand for Kenya but your statement is very off putting.
If you were not homophobic, you wouldn't have laws against it. Or a culture that represses it. Like the US in the '60s, you'll come to understand. We are not a threat to you. Face it - Fact is we [already, in hiding] are already part of your family. It's only natural.
@@kaypakaipa8559 I’m not you understand what I’m saying. I stand with your right to loose gay marriage, etc. what I don’t understand is your sentiment of not caring for the rights of other people. Nothing would get done in this world in the way of civil rights if not for people unaffected fighting for those are. “Why should I care about other people” is simply….inhumane.
Hi ! Once again, Edith Kimani has proven her mastery of the craft of journalism. I really enjoy the manner in which she connects points made to other's point of view, that makes the discussion flows with coherency and generates immense interest of the viewer. I find myself genuinely laughing, agreeing or disagreeing and sometime even quite emotional based on the topic being discussed. This happens principally due to the topic brought by Edith Kimani, the questions she poses and her apt timed flow. Thanks Edith Kimani, well done ! PS: I've commented on your style of journalism before, actually recently, on another show you conducted... Thanks !
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮 It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church, Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27. We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I can understand the pain and frustration of that atheist being told what to be and do by a religion she don't believe in.. back then when I was a Christian I was indoctrinated to hate these people too but now as an atheist I realized didn't have a reason to be against the LGBTQ only an ancient book that have a problem with who you have sêx with but its totally fine with genocide, incest, slavery, huma n sacrifice, child sl aughter etc My fellow Kenyans lets stop forcing your Christian standards on everyone just like how you wouldn't want to be forced to follow Islamic laws.. not everyone is a Christian
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮 It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church, Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27. We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I like the way that Christian book talks of God as the ONLY judge! Bit people be out here JUDGING others left right & centre & they may be hateful, angry, vengeful etc. Nobody can speak for the God in the Bible. According to that book u CANNOT BEGIN to understand him. Nikjjaribu tu. Shida ni kujifanya mabingwa! How do u read someone's heart? I say she's mature in her faith & that is rare in this day & age. If rhe Christian God wants to change someone si i gather from the same book nothing is impossible for him! So basi mbona tunamsaidia na kazi yake? Mtaweza kweli? Clearly ur misrepresentating him BIG TIME!
The problem is kenya society is majorly from a religious point of view, because christianity is the largest religion,followed by islam and these religions don't advocate for same sex marriage , Given also these LGBTQ practices are unconstitutional,,it'll be tough for such people to co exist with others in a society that publicly condemns such vices
Sadly you are wrong. There is no constitutional provision that prohibits being LGBTIQ+ or what you call LGBTIQ+ practices. The constitution defends the rights of all persons.
I wonder why Edith is not probing what Po and Maryliz have been saying they are very knowledgeable on various issues affecting queer people,she is very brief towards them and gives the lazy colonized conservatives too much time to give us nothing.
Legislation will not cure homosexuality. This is an issue that should not be treated as a criminal offence, but rather a product of failure in parenting and ancestral curses due to idolatry and witchcraft. With this said, there is hope for salvation through Jesus Christ.
Who is jailing queers in Kenya?? Am Kenyan yawa, Stop Lying to the world wewe 🤣🤣🤣... Here the only discrimination is probably from your peers/Mates not from the Authority... Everyone has freedom here, its only that we don't give much attention to them
Recently discovered this great, highly informative channel. I have viewed several of Edith's productions and she is so world-class, and no doubt has a terrific future! I am an old white man from Texas, who has six African American god-children I helped raise. One is gay, one is lesbian, and both came out to us when in teens. My gay son wrote me a beautiful letter when I turned 70, thanking me for being accepting when he came out, and telling him he was perfect just the way he was. He is now doing well in real estate sales in LA, and my lesbian daughter is an attorney (barrister). Here in the US we continue to struggle with this topic, and the grip of the so-called conservative "Christians" is powerful because it is all about money and controlling culture. Some of these same "evangelist" ("evilgelicals" as I say) also have strongly influenced politics in countries like Uganda, on this topic and anti-LGBTQ laws. So much of Africa is still mentally saddled with Eurocentric ideas of morality that have long become outdated in the West, but obviously this is changing due to the yearning of the younger generations and their becoming both more Afrocentric and global. Is is sad to still see so much ignorance and hypocrisy, however. Many gays hide in the churches and and I am sure even some of the "pastors" (and Imams) are gay behind closed doors. It's all about "appearances." Like one of the lesbians in this panel discussion said, more or less, is that homosexuality has existed since time immemorial. It is as natural as our faces. It wasn't until Euros came to enslave and control Africans and impose the notion of "sin" (a false concept) that Africans lost touch with the "gayness" within their cultures. There is ample research on this, and publications on the web if one searches. Being gay is about the creative, the arts, music, and the spiritual. As Malidoma Some of the Dagara tribe teaches, gays in his community were the "gatekeepers" to the spirit world and facilitated the rites of initiation for boys (maybe girls also, idk). So much sexuality that was practiced within African cultures was deemed evil and sinful by the white tricksters. Not just gay, but anything to do with sex that was not "procreative" within a marriage. I hope Africa can evolve more quickly than we did in the USA and West. To suppress LGBTQ is like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Gays are the source of creative change and invention for a society, and by oppressing them the governments and churches do so only to maintain control, and by doing so are constricting the positive growth of their cultures in all ways.
We are glad you discovered our channel and we appreciate your contribution. We have many other debates that might interest you, do well to always check out our channel.
I loved this! The camera work great, the interviewer AMAZING, the conversation sooo goood, I do wish one or two really far right conservative would have been there as well, I think it would have made the conversation a little more richer, wish this was 2hrs long lol great! "Edit" that one lady loooved her words about defining morality, why should your morality guide my actions!
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮 It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church, Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27. We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Something that people don't know ....anyone looking for lgbtq content to comment negativity it's because they are Gay and have internalized homophobia coz they can't accept themselves...it's time to come out of the closet honeeyyy...other than that you shouldn't find yourself in lgbtq content ...go cry somewhere else
Think about it, why you hate so bad lgtb plp? I suppose is bc religious values, and is this religion pure african? it’s not, so, some colonial stuff are acceptable but other ones are alright
@@arthurmcnallyzhou5349 How are you gonna categorize African religions as a homogeneous group, when it is the continent with the greatest diversity of religions and traditions??? And no, not all the African traditions have hateful beliefs bout lgtb (although with a different name, obviously). Moreover, all the arguments ive seen bout lgtb hate (in africa) is with a christian perspective, so idk man thats kinda mid. I understand (and believe) that Africa neeeds to be free from the West, BUT i dont get why lgtb acts r ilegal bc of that sodomy laws (directly related to western religions). Idk if u understand me , english is my 2 language sorry. Im open to all opinions tho, is just that ive seen lots of this contradictory arguments u know
The average age in Kenya is roughly 19 years old and a significant portion of the younger generation don't engage in homophobia. The discrimination comes from the older generation, the boomers and the Gen Xrs who are too stuck in their ways and unfortunately, they occupy all positions of power. The advantage that Kenya has is that these politicians are ageing and the cycle of life will eventually clear them from their positions and the new generation will inevitably take over.
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮 It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church, Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27. We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
But at least won't happen while they hold sway. No one prevents any generation from having their culture - whatever is popular for a particular generation will be the norm; for now, this is not the norm for the current generation.
One thing about Kenya even with these pseudo-conservative politicians and citizens is that LGBTQIA community is somewhat free than all other E.A. countries. They're on social-media, they're on the streets, in the clubs and in very few instances are they persecuted. They're suppressed constitutionally which is the problem they're trying to address. This LGBTQIA issue isn't a simple one, not even for us who're straight and liberal minded. I personally would like to understand whether it's can be scientifically proven(I haven't done my research) or is it a form of traumatic response maybe because of sexual abuse or other unknown factors. It's a very very complicated topic.
even one is too many. lgbtq+ are people with natural variations in sexuality, persecuted by the largest group cis straight people for all kinds of reasons. they're like anyone else, some with histories of abuse (just like cis-het people), some without. do you have to prove your straightness to gay people? some people don't feel or understand heterosexual attraction but no one doubts it exists. People know they are being killed and they still choose to be themselves, what more proof do you need that they are real and authentic.
@@OneAdam12Adam I have nothing to do with your Islam and your religion. I don’t even see how my comment and your reply correlate. Keep your ideologies and agenda far away.
My deepest sympathies to the *LGBTIQ+* community in Kenya & elsewhere in Africa. As mentioned, I hope that we can return to a time when we held the spirit of *Ubuntu* high, there is real power in love & unity. Today we see a strong & growing culture of self-enrichment & self-preservation as if the prosperity of one, takes away from another, maybe this speaks to our troubled past & hopeless situation. However, I someday hope for a truly liberated Africa, where ALL her citizens are free & live in dignity & with respect. But only together can we end lies/deceit, disrespect, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, sexism, ageism, gender-based violence, human trafficking...etc. - from *South Africa,* with love...
@@afrikaazanialuti No but Africans certainly know what is African and what is not. And that is why there has been a heavy pushback to this movement specifically and I'm also glad a lot us are not gullible to the powers that be that try to turn us into a laughing stock of nature.
I’m not african im black American and if you do truely want liberation then this country and others on that continent will have to do what the western world do and honestly i dont think you want that. to have a little bit more rights yes but you don’t want that kind of liberal power take it from me
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮 It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church, Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27. We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
This whole conversation is just a touch of many things.I have nothing against lgbtq people. I have a problem that the only way to identify themselves is mentioning their sexual preferences or whatever they call it.Again why is it wrong if someone told them to dress in a particular way while going to particular places.Not only in church there are many places where we have to dress in a certain dress code and it applies to all nothing to do with their sexuality. Kindly explain to me what rights they want except marriage?I worked in a kenya company where we had more than 6 gays that were known .By the way, they were so good that they got promotions all the time. In kenya, whether you are straight or not, a public display of affection will always make people stare and uncomfortable. So when lgbtq people do that in public and the crowd reacts they tbink its coz of who they are but thats not true.When they go for demonstration and get arrested thats happens to anyone who tries to push boundaries in kenya...may it be a doctor fighting for his rights or another politician who rubs government the wrong way.About the chiloba guy who they claim was a hate crime thats FALSE.HE WAS KILLED BY HIS PARTNER OUT OF JEALOUSY BECAUSE HE WAS CHEATING. Let's not be victims. Most people have no hate for lgbtq but rather find it hard to accept just because it's a been unspoken for a long time.change is hard.
People have characterized these people for their own purposes. Be careful dear. They did the same thing in Rwanda ans we know wht happened. Stay away from hate and ask LGBT community who they really are. Ask them you won't regret.
😍😍 nice. Let's see each other thru the glasses of what we have in common VERSUS our 'labels' & remember we are ALL human 1ST before anything else. kudos Mavuno for walking in love That's what many in the 'church' following the rule book forget - LOVE! Moment of silence🕯️🕯️ for the fashionista & Sheila! Violence is NOT the answer!
She not a pastor.the word of God is true alot of u going to hell thinking sin is right.we have to stard for the words of Jesus. Homosexual is sin wrong everything that is unnatural
If one is lgbtq, why should they keep telling everybody they are gay,can't they keep it to themselves Have you heard straight guys going round saying they are straight?? So let them keep it to themselves Whatever happens in your bedroom,is none of other people's business
Dear africans It is unafrican- it has existed in Africa. It’s against religion- our nations are secular and religion is a personal matter. It’s unnatural even animals dont do it - lions in kenya have shown homosexuality
And so? The fact is, the majority do not want it in their societies. A lot of things have existed in Africa, and the reason they have not made any prominince is because societies have consistently rejected them. Which nations are secular? And even if religion is a personal matter, for a society to function, it has to have a unification factor. In our case, common ideals, religion, tribes etc. This is by far the most invansive of all movements and any well meaning person should be very worried.
@@elijahsokoni7997democracy is also supposed to protect minorities and minority rights from the might of the majority. If the majority of a population of a country wanted to exile/disenfranchise/discriminate any minority out of the country who have done nothing wrong, for just wanting to exercise/ for exercising the same liberties that are afforded to the majority, as a democracy, you could not do it without violating their minority citizens and minority rights. Just because the majority of a country doesn't tolerate the minortiy, does not mean that the State should forgo protecting their right to exist freely as citizens just like the rest of the population without plausible reason other than trying to appease the masses. What you are committing is a bandwagon fallacy.
@@elijahsokoni7997also, Kenya is a secular democratic nation. There are other nations within Africa that a pretty secular (like Botswana, South Africa and others), but this is really nitpicky to isolate. Also, you talk about a country needing a common factor for it's unification while vaguely gesturing this assertion to religion tribe etc., but you don't state what about those social institutions are unifying because last time I checked, Kenya is very multiethnic and multireligious. What other unifying factor do Kenyans have other than being Kenyan and what does any of that have to do with LGBT rights given that not everybody is going to agree to them? How can you say your country has unifying factor when you neglect the needs of a minority group in you country that exists in all of your tribes?
Think about it, why you hate so bad lgtb plp? I suppose is bc religious values, and is this religion pure african? it’s not, so, some colonial stuff are acceptable but other ones are alright
If true why God gives normal feelings for the others and wrong for them ? Normally God should give us all the same feelings. But it isn't the case. Why ? Since 21 years i'm asking me that question. Why ?
It's quite interesting that the Nigerians are against taking on the role of activism. Self preservation, i think is the reason. However, to the average eye, journalism, esp the investigative kind is an act of activism.
@@DWThe77Percent If so why is polygamy love criminalised in Germany? Germany is not seeking to trade with Kenya but to push social cultural colonisation of Kenyans. China want to trade let us trade with China. This is a German Government sponsored media station which has no VOTE OF FRANCHISE to determine the laws made in Kenya. Nobody in Kenya need DW approval to make any law.The Kenyan lot who want to copy and paste western everything can be given a VISA to go live in Germany. Why is DW not protesting or stop trading with Japanese/Chinese/Russian/ Qatar/Saudia anti gay laws ? Why are you ambassadors very silient in these countries?
Pastor Ameka I think you should ask the Holy Spirit to give you the appropriate response when it comes to this issue before you mislead the young generation you are leading
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮 It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church, Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27. We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I wonder if this narrative will succeed in Africa. Don't worry Ugandans have already started. It will spread all around Africa. Only South Africa will find itself behind because they are mixed with whites. For me as a Ugandan no one who is homosexual should move close to me otherwise I'll make you to lick your anus in front of your parents.
its a wonder how people practicing or identifying as LGBTQ Wharever are so eloquent, well spoken and intelligent yet fail to crasp a simple natural knowledge of nature. i have never seen a kienyeji identifying as this community. sometimes i think this guys are trained or guys from majuu get shipped to this country to advocate and propagate this agenda. and again, whats up we the nose rings? whatever this community is up to, with or without morality, it doesnt look good. these people need help.
@@nyalih929 help me understand. am asking a honest and sincere question. ata sjui niulize aje? like what usually is the fear or the whole issue about? is it that the community suppresses you guys, limiting you to practice your new found lifestyle or is it hostility now that you have a different lifestyle, or have I gotten everything wrong about you guys? because there's a force you come with and I ask myself, its either this people are being harrassed in some way that makes them make decisions that seem extreme and unnatural or, you're just being rebellious. I ask with an open mind.
This thing is evil...people should really pray that Jesus is not already fed up,, because thanks be to the Lord for who He is,, and remember God is never mocked. He will ALWAYS have His way
Think about it, why you hate so bad lgtb plp? I suppose is bc religious values, and is this religion pure african? it’s not, so, some colonial stuff are acceptable but other ones are alright
I don't think we appreciate enough how good Edith is as an interviewer and moderator. She's asking really good questions
She's an absolute pro that's for sure!
She’s way better than Catherine Soyi from Al jazerq
Don't you see how one sided the discussion is. Everyone there apart from the politician in black is gay or a gay sympathizer
So professional to be precise
real
These Kenyans are 100 percent more intelligent than most Westerners in explaining their points of view.
Does this really have to be a competition? Especially given that the channel giving this discussion a platform is German (the D in DW stand for "Deutsche"=German) and the participants are Kenyan, I'd hope we can leave the petty squabbles behind and focus on the topic at hand.
Intelligent about? In Western countries is allowed, so what is your point
@@quatsch344 - 🇰🇪 Edith KIMANI the journalist is a KENYAN herself and a Very Good journalist. 👍
He says we should not wear a Rainbow when we go to church.
Does he also criticize a Buddhist who comes in Robes?
You turn people away from your church. What else do you need for you to realize your wrong?
We Ugandans have already stopped talking about LGBTQ
We are now Free from this nonsense.
Hope Kenyans will join us
Soon
LGBTQI bill isn't about homosexual. If about to slient future child abuse reporting in Uganda. MP's were bribe to support the bill.
We will be there
B.S! Gay ugandans are UGANDANS!
🇺🇬 Whether you Stopped talking about LGBTQ in UGANDA or not they are there to Stay whether you or your president Museveni likes it or not and nothing you can do about it. PERIOD. Get it? ❓❌
Kenyans we aren't homophobic we just dont care about the lgbtq community we have bigger issues
Something about your statement doesn’t sit right with me. If those people are suffering why don’t you care? You’re basically saying “we don’t care about giving you the rights you’re asking for because we care more about other things. We have no interest in considering that things that you are asking us to”.
I actually stand for Kenya but your statement is very off putting.
If you were not homophobic, you wouldn't have laws against it. Or a culture that represses it. Like the US in the '60s, you'll come to understand. We are not a threat to you. Face it - Fact is we [already, in hiding] are already part of your family. It's only natural.
@@symoneprice798
Lol
Everyone is suffering
Why should we focus on some group of deviants
@@symoneprice798 we dont care, now accept tht or move on with your life,
we dont care for giving rights to nonsensical things, we have bigger issues
@@kaypakaipa8559 I’m not you understand what I’m saying. I stand with your right to loose gay marriage, etc. what I don’t understand is your sentiment of not caring for the rights of other people. Nothing would get done in this world in the way of civil rights if not for people unaffected fighting for those are. “Why should I care about other people” is simply….inhumane.
Hi ! Once again, Edith Kimani has proven her mastery of the craft of journalism. I really enjoy the manner in which she connects points made to other's point of view, that makes the discussion flows with coherency and generates immense interest of the viewer. I find myself genuinely laughing, agreeing or disagreeing and sometime even quite emotional based on the topic being discussed. This happens principally due to the topic brought by Edith Kimani, the questions she poses and her apt timed flow. Thanks Edith Kimani, well done ! PS: I've commented on your style of journalism before, actually recently, on another show you conducted... Thanks !
She's brilliant, I agree.
Kenyan LGBTQ community are well spoken.
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮
It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church,
Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27.
We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
'Decolonizing the mind' by Ngugi wa Thiong'o is a great book.
I can understand the pain and frustration of that atheist being told what to be and do by a religion she don't believe in..
back then when I was a Christian I was indoctrinated to hate these people too but now as an atheist I realized didn't have a reason to be against the LGBTQ only an ancient book that have a problem with who you have sêx with but its totally fine with genocide, incest, slavery, huma n sacrifice, child sl aughter etc
My fellow Kenyans lets stop forcing your Christian standards on everyone just like how you wouldn't want to be forced to follow Islamic laws.. not everyone is a Christian
Our issue is they force us to accept them,just do your thing we don’t have to know
why do you have a problem with genocide?
Don’t impose your atheist views
So true
@@briankimeli8390You impose yourselves on other people, yet you don't want others to freely be who they are. Selfish.
This community is so admirably articulate. Their communication is on another level.
They are Americans in Kenya
LGBTIQ+ rights are a difficult topic and I am fascinated by the difficult conversations and hard debates.
That pastor lady is not a solid pastor she conformed to the world's standards so easily 😢
I saw that too
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮
It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church,
Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27.
We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
I like the way that Christian book talks of God as the ONLY judge! Bit people be out here JUDGING others left right & centre & they may be hateful, angry, vengeful etc. Nobody can speak for the God in the Bible. According to that book u CANNOT BEGIN to understand him. Nikjjaribu tu. Shida ni kujifanya mabingwa! How do u read someone's heart? I say she's mature in her faith & that is rare in this day & age. If rhe Christian God wants to change someone si i gather from the same book nothing is impossible for him! So basi mbona tunamsaidia na kazi yake? Mtaweza kweli? Clearly ur misrepresentating him BIG TIME!
One straight man in this interview and he seems like he's been intimidated 🤔
The problem is kenya society is majorly from a religious point of view, because christianity is the largest religion,followed by islam and these religions don't advocate for same sex marriage ,
Given also these LGBTQ practices are unconstitutional,,it'll be tough for such people to co exist with others in a society that publicly condemns such vices
Sadly you are wrong. There is no constitutional provision that prohibits being LGBTIQ+ or what you call LGBTIQ+ practices. The constitution defends the rights of all persons.
I wonder why Edith is not probing what Po and Maryliz have been saying they are very knowledgeable on various issues affecting queer people,she is very brief towards them and gives the lazy colonized conservatives too much time to give us nothing.
Edith moderated this well. I like that she didn't try to censor anyone.
Of all the things to focus on in Africa such as poverty, education for all children ect. This is what they are talking about??
It is a necessary conversation
They talk on all topics
You can do more than one thing at once
@@MrAndywearthat's too hard for the simple minded. Cut him some slack.
These people don't look po' to me
Legislation will not cure homosexuality. This is an issue that should not be treated as a criminal offence, but rather a product of failure in parenting and ancestral curses due to idolatry and witchcraft. With this said, there is hope for salvation through Jesus Christ.
No it’s not
@@kevn4lifeit is whether you like it or not
@@Kikikikikiki723 explain then…
Even if their is explanatory you won't understand @@kevn4life
Thank you for offering them a platform
A German government bias platform targeting African countries to spread scocial cultural colonisation.
Space to talk about what?
@@litrackenkevin2729😅😅😅
Who is jailing queers in Kenya?? Am Kenyan yawa, Stop Lying to the world wewe 🤣🤣🤣... Here the only discrimination is probably from your peers/Mates not from the Authority... Everyone has freedom here, its only that we don't give much attention to them
Recently discovered this great, highly informative channel. I have viewed several of Edith's productions and she is so world-class, and no doubt has a terrific future! I am an old white man from Texas, who has six African American god-children I helped raise. One is gay, one is lesbian, and both came out to us when in teens. My gay son wrote me a beautiful letter when I turned 70, thanking me for being accepting when he came out, and telling him he was perfect just the way he was. He is now doing well in real estate sales in LA, and my lesbian daughter is an attorney (barrister). Here in the US we continue to struggle with this topic, and the grip of the so-called conservative "Christians" is powerful because it is all about money and controlling culture. Some of these same "evangelist" ("evilgelicals" as I say) also have strongly influenced politics in countries like Uganda, on this topic and anti-LGBTQ laws. So much of Africa is still mentally saddled with Eurocentric ideas of morality that have long become outdated in the West, but obviously this is changing due to the yearning of the younger generations and their becoming both more Afrocentric and global. Is is sad to still see so much ignorance and hypocrisy, however. Many gays hide in the churches and and I am sure even some of the "pastors" (and Imams) are gay behind closed doors. It's all about "appearances." Like one of the lesbians in this panel discussion said, more or less, is that homosexuality has existed since time immemorial. It is as natural as our faces. It wasn't until Euros came to enslave and control Africans and impose the notion of "sin" (a false concept) that Africans lost touch with the "gayness" within their cultures. There is ample research on this, and publications on the web if one searches. Being gay is about the creative, the arts, music, and the spiritual. As Malidoma Some of the Dagara tribe teaches, gays in his community were the "gatekeepers" to the spirit world and facilitated the rites of initiation for boys (maybe girls also, idk). So much sexuality that was practiced within African cultures was deemed evil and sinful by the white tricksters. Not just gay, but anything to do with sex that was not "procreative" within a marriage. I hope Africa can evolve more quickly than we did in the USA and West. To suppress LGBTQ is like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Gays are the source of creative change and invention for a society, and by oppressing them the governments and churches do so only to maintain control, and by doing so are constricting the positive growth of their cultures in all ways.
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Mature way of passing a message,,, I hate what we Africans are mistreating the LGBT in the name preserving our culture
I loved this! The camera work great, the interviewer AMAZING, the conversation sooo goood, I do wish one or two really far right conservative would have been there as well, I think it would have made the conversation a little more richer, wish this was 2hrs long lol great! "Edit" that one lady loooved her words about defining morality, why should your morality guide my actions!
As stated, they were invited but didn't make it.
Thanks for the suggestion on possible guest. We would keep that in mind as we try to represent all sides.
May God protecters from such filthy act
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮
It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church,
Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27.
We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Something that people don't know ....anyone looking for lgbtq content to comment negativity it's because they are Gay and have internalized homophobia coz they can't accept themselves...it's time to come out of the closet honeeyyy...other than that you shouldn't find yourself in lgbtq content ...go cry somewhere else
Think about it, why you hate so bad lgtb plp? I suppose is bc religious values, and is this religion pure african? it’s not, so, some colonial stuff are acceptable but other ones are alright
@@ImjustaconceptxoxoATR doesn’t support these acts it has nothing to do with religion our own Culture
@@arthurmcnallyzhou5349 How are you gonna categorize African religions as a homogeneous group, when it is the continent with the greatest diversity of religions and traditions??? And no, not all the African traditions have hateful beliefs bout lgtb (although with a different name, obviously).
Moreover, all the arguments ive seen bout lgtb hate (in africa) is with a christian perspective, so idk man thats kinda mid.
I understand (and believe) that Africa neeeds to be free from the West, BUT i dont get why lgtb acts r ilegal bc of that sodomy laws (directly related to western religions).
Idk if u understand me , english is my 2 language sorry. Im open to all opinions tho, is just that ive seen lots of this contradictory arguments u know
These individuals must remember when one gets older
Who is going to stop them ,supporting them in health
The average age in Kenya is roughly 19 years old and a significant portion of the younger generation don't engage in homophobia. The discrimination comes from the older generation, the boomers and the Gen Xrs who are too stuck in their ways and unfortunately, they occupy all positions of power. The advantage that Kenya has is that these politicians are ageing and the cycle of life will eventually clear them from their positions and the new generation will inevitably take over.
Keep dreaming we shall crash you until you forget yourself and the entire Lgbtq community
Thank you for this perspective. I'll keep this in mind when I visit.
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮
It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church,
Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27.
We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
But at least won't happen while they hold sway. No one prevents any generation from having their culture - whatever is popular for a particular generation will be the norm; for now, this is not the norm for the current generation.
How many genders are there? One, one-thousand or one-million?
One thing about Kenya even with these pseudo-conservative politicians and citizens is that LGBTQIA community is somewhat free than all other E.A. countries. They're on social-media, they're on the streets, in the clubs and in very few instances are they persecuted. They're suppressed constitutionally which is the problem they're trying to address. This LGBTQIA issue isn't a simple one, not even for us who're straight and liberal minded. I personally would like to understand whether it's can be scientifically proven(I haven't done my research) or is it a form of traumatic response maybe because of sexual abuse or other unknown factors. It's a very very complicated topic.
even one is too many. lgbtq+ are people with natural variations in sexuality, persecuted by the largest group cis straight people for all kinds of reasons. they're like anyone else, some with histories of abuse (just like cis-het people), some without. do you have to prove your straightness to gay people? some people don't feel or understand heterosexual attraction but no one doubts it exists. People know they are being killed and they still choose to be themselves, what more proof do you need that they are real and authentic.
It is straight-forward actually
How do you mean
@@darelet
Why does that matter. Let’s say it is a trauma response should that change anything?
@@symoneprice798 yes it does, if it's like ptsd it needs treatment not the right to run rampant
Fantastic debate
You should come have this debate in Uganda or with Ugandans too
I think it will be more interesting
We don’t tolerate that rubbish
Spoken like a true Christofascist or a true Islamist domestic killer! Hatred is not any religion we can respect our honor.
@@OneAdam12Adam I have nothing to do with your Islam and your religion. I don’t even see how my comment and your reply correlate. Keep your ideologies and agenda far away.
@@otoisimon3925what other reasons would you have such distate for those people than religion?
@@michaelregis1015 they are filthy and unnatural
@@michaelregis1015 African culture
My deepest sympathies to the *LGBTIQ+* community in Kenya & elsewhere in Africa. As mentioned, I hope that we can return to a time when we held the spirit of *Ubuntu* high, there is real power in love & unity. Today we see a strong & growing culture of self-enrichment & self-preservation as if the prosperity of one, takes away from another, maybe this speaks to our troubled past & hopeless situation. However, I someday hope for a truly liberated Africa, where ALL her citizens are free & live in dignity & with respect. But only together can we end lies/deceit, disrespect, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, sexism, ageism, gender-based violence, human trafficking...etc. - from *South Africa,* with love...
South Africa is a lost country and does not embody any of the principles of Africa.
@@elijahsokoni7997 because you hold the monopoly on what it means to be African? 👀
@@afrikaazanialuti No but Africans certainly know what is African and what is not. And that is why there has been a heavy pushback to this movement specifically and I'm also glad a lot us are not gullible to the powers that be that try to turn us into a laughing stock of nature.
I’m not african im black American and if you do truely want liberation then this country and others on that continent will have to do what the western world do and honestly i dont think you want that. to have a little bit more rights yes but you don’t want that kind of liberal power take it from me
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮
It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church,
Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27.
We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Africa and the Continent has important issues on the Continent of Africa
Not worried mof
Western countries European Countries America way of living
This whole conversation is just a touch of many things.I have nothing against lgbtq people. I have a problem that the only way to identify themselves is mentioning their sexual preferences or whatever they call it.Again why is it wrong if someone told them to dress in a particular way while going to particular places.Not only in church there are many places where we have to dress in a certain dress code and it applies to all nothing to do with their sexuality.
Kindly explain to me what rights they want except marriage?I worked in a kenya company where we had more than 6 gays that were known .By the way, they were so good that they got promotions all the time.
In kenya, whether you are straight or not, a public display of affection will always make people stare and uncomfortable. So when lgbtq people do that in public and the crowd reacts they tbink its coz of who they are but thats not true.When they go for demonstration and get arrested thats happens to anyone who tries to push boundaries in kenya...may it be a doctor fighting for his rights or another politician who rubs government the wrong way.About the chiloba guy who they claim was a hate crime thats FALSE.HE WAS KILLED BY HIS PARTNER OUT OF JEALOUSY BECAUSE HE WAS CHEATING.
Let's not be victims. Most people have no hate for lgbtq but rather find it hard to accept just because it's a been unspoken for a long time.change is hard.
what's your moral value of being a lesbian or gay in the society?
There are a million sexualities. Not 2. List them all.
What is the moral value of you existing? The answer you come up with is the answer LGBTIQ+ people will come up with.
@@binghamguevara6814help us to know them this is knew to us😂
People have characterized these people for their own purposes. Be careful dear. They did the same thing in Rwanda ans we know wht happened. Stay away from hate and ask LGBT community who they really are. Ask them you won't regret.
Great debate 👌🏽
😍😍 nice. Let's see each other thru the glasses of what we have in common VERSUS our 'labels' & remember we are ALL human 1ST before anything else. kudos Mavuno for walking in love That's what many in the 'church' following the rule book forget - LOVE! Moment of silence🕯️🕯️ for the fashionista & Sheila! Violence is NOT the answer!
She not a pastor.the word of God is true alot of u going to hell thinking sin is right.we have to stard for the words of Jesus. Homosexual is sin wrong everything that is unnatural
If one is lgbtq, why should they keep telling everybody they are gay,can't they keep it to themselves
Have you heard straight guys going round saying they are straight??
So let them keep it to themselves
Whatever happens in your bedroom,is none of other people's business
Dear africans
It is unafrican- it has existed in Africa.
It’s against religion- our nations are secular and religion is a personal matter.
It’s unnatural even animals dont do it - lions in kenya have shown homosexuality
And so? The fact is, the majority do not want it in their societies. A lot of things have existed in Africa, and the reason they have not made any prominince is because societies have consistently rejected them.
Which nations are secular? And even if religion is a personal matter, for a society to function, it has to have a unification factor. In our case, common ideals, religion, tribes etc. This is by far the most invansive of all movements and any well meaning person should be very worried.
@@elijahsokoni7997democracy is also supposed to protect minorities and minority rights from the might of the majority. If the majority of a population of a country wanted to exile/disenfranchise/discriminate any minority out of the country who have done nothing wrong, for just wanting to exercise/ for exercising the same liberties that are afforded to the majority, as a democracy, you could not do it without violating their minority citizens and minority rights. Just because the majority of a country doesn't tolerate the minortiy, does not mean that the State should forgo protecting their right to exist freely as citizens just like the rest of the population without plausible reason other than trying to appease the masses. What you are committing is a bandwagon fallacy.
@@elijahsokoni7997also, Kenya is a secular democratic nation. There are other nations within Africa that a pretty secular (like Botswana, South Africa and others), but this is really nitpicky to isolate.
Also, you talk about a country needing a common factor for it's unification while vaguely gesturing this assertion to religion tribe etc., but you don't state what about those social institutions are unifying because last time I checked, Kenya is very multiethnic and multireligious. What other unifying factor do Kenyans have other than being Kenyan and what does any of that have to do with LGBT rights given that not everybody is going to agree to them? How can you say your country has unifying factor when you neglect the needs of a minority group in you country that exists in all of your tribes?
a western white man thinking.. why is this democracy not being imposed on arabs?@@michaelregis1015
African nations can learn alot from South Africa 🇿🇦 by just letting LGBT 🏳️🌈 be.
& now sa men are a laughing stalk of Africa ‘big buns’ they call them
Thankyu Supreme Court!! God bless you!! Don't entertain the Devil.
Think about it, why you hate so bad lgtb plp? I suppose is bc religious values, and is this religion pure african? it’s not, so, some colonial stuff are acceptable but other ones are alright
There is nothing magical about heterosexuality.
Nice cameraman btw
The pastor is right,the other's don't know the purpose of life.
If true why God gives normal feelings for the others and wrong for them ? Normally God should give us all the same feelings. But it isn't the case. Why ? Since 21 years i'm asking me that question. Why ?
We are waiting for NAIROBI PRIDE PARADE
Ain't happening bruv. We rebuke it.
It's quite interesting that the Nigerians are against taking on the role of activism. Self preservation, i think is the reason. However, to the average eye, journalism, esp the investigative kind is an act of activism.
Follow the Ugandan law all African leaders
No, we're not all bushmen like UGs
Love is love - no more, no less
we are not allowing this trash in our country. Africa will be free from this evil and it is not debatable
@@SecularKenyanstop shedding tears Bro...😂😂
@@DWThe77Percent If so why is polygamy love criminalised in Germany? Germany is not seeking to trade with Kenya but to push social cultural colonisation of Kenyans. China want to trade let us trade with China. This is a German Government sponsored media station which has no VOTE OF FRANCHISE to determine the laws made in Kenya. Nobody in Kenya need DW approval to make any law.The Kenyan lot who want to copy and paste western everything can be given a VISA to go live in Germany. Why is DW not protesting or stop trading with Japanese/Chinese/Russian/ Qatar/Saudia anti gay laws ? Why are you ambassadors very silient in these countries?
We should never allow such in our country. It's so UnAfrican Kenya should criminalize it just like Uganda
Great discussion ❤️
Gen z helping kenya with maandamando but then they are now gay
I am asking a question why these people want to make us believe being a homosexual you are now. Filled with love and holy nonsense 🤔🙏🔥🗡️💂🛡️
This is a Kenyan issue with the president and your own people who said everyone is protected but Gay rights is not a Kenyan issue .
Pastor Ameka I think you should ask the Holy Spirit to give you the appropriate response when it comes to this issue before you mislead the young generation you are leading
The bible is against FEMALE PASTORS the book of Timothy is clear on this,🤮🤮
It is the females that end up allowing all kinds of nonsense in the church,
Homosexuality is a sin according to Romans 1vs27.
We follow bible and are to conform to its standards & laws not the laws of the very people it calls sinners🤮
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Love these youths❤
Fighting to co_ exist with evil.
This confusion
I knew it would cm to Africa 😂😢
It's always been in Africa
I wonder if this narrative will succeed in Africa. Don't worry Ugandans have already started. It will spread all around Africa. Only South Africa will find itself behind because they are mixed with whites.
For me as a Ugandan no one who is homosexual should move close to me otherwise I'll make you to lick your anus in front of your parents.
@@DWThe77PercentLies😂
@@DWThe77Percentstop bringing this nonsense here, which culture do you come from
This is an unbalanced interview only one of your gifts are straight 🤔
Does kenya gets cold? I asked because i see people wearing coat, sweater and jackets
Yeah. Just this minute my feet are freezing cold...
Yes, it gets cold from June to September
That atheist is so angry, we are talking about lgbtq and not taxes yawa
Demons
Must be why so many now come to the US
At the end of the day they are our kenyan family.
These guys just can't pull
They havea beautiful accent.
Oh my Goddess! Alvina and Po are so cool! 11:05 22:45
U have 31k views in 10months , this should make u sit and think,elgibitiQ is disgusting
Big up Kenya and Uganda for standing up against this stupid crap
So don't do business with the western countries
Why you coming fast
Let Love Lead
Only in paygan country
Hatutaki hii upuzi
Shame on you all of you
its a wonder how people practicing or identifying as LGBTQ Wharever are so eloquent, well spoken and intelligent yet fail to crasp a simple natural knowledge of nature. i have never seen a kienyeji identifying as this community. sometimes i think this guys are trained or guys from majuu get shipped to this country to advocate and propagate this agenda. and again, whats up we the nose rings? whatever this community is up to, with or without morality, it doesnt look good. these people need help.
Tuko mjini, mashambani na mashinani. Unlike you, most LGBTIQ+ people read widely and want to understand their situation. You should try it some time.
@@nyalih929 help me understand. am asking a honest and sincere question. ata sjui niulize aje?
like what usually is the fear or the whole issue about? is it that the community suppresses you guys, limiting you to practice your new found lifestyle or is it hostility now that you have a different lifestyle, or have I gotten everything wrong about you guys?
because there's a force you come with and I ask myself, its either this people are being harrassed in some way that makes them make decisions that seem extreme and unnatural or, you're just being rebellious. I ask with an open mind.
It will not survive in Africa
The so called athiest is angry...Godnhas put his exiatence in your heart.....Doesnt mattr of your lying lips says otherwise
The Ubuntu girl is hella naive
I think so too. Ubuntu never stopped people from FGM, exiling dissenters, or selling people to slavery...
Has anyone noticed this queer people are on the lower spectrum of attractiveness? Especially ladies.... Just me?
😂😂😂😂😂
Come demonstrate in Mt Kenya region
You'd probably do nothing and just complain on Twitter and WhatsApp. Stop trying to act brave for the internet and live your life.
NAIROBI PRIDE PARADE,2024.
We are waiting for it 😂
Hamtai pata rights washamba nyinyi cheki si mufanye mambo yenu private f u gus
I loooove this
hiii ni upumbavu......😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cry then
The athiest😅😅😅her courage kills me........though she'll spend eternity in hell....its a sure bet😅
Only God knows that.
Even the animals don't act like that
they want us to be like PIGS that eat their own feaces
they do
thay also rape each other😅@@Imjustaconceptxoxo
Hehe, Simba males ziukulana you guy, piga research uone.
We don't need to talk about homosexual in Africa,,they can talk it in the western world
Its not posible we need pro create.
This thing is evil...people should really pray that Jesus is not already fed up,, because thanks be to the Lord for who He is,, and remember God is never mocked. He will ALWAYS have His way
Think about it, why you hate so bad lgtb plp? I suppose is bc religious values, and is this religion pure african? it’s not, so, some colonial stuff are acceptable but other ones are alright
Willie you sound like an idiot
We will deal with them squarely... Wapeleke ujinga mbali... Washindwe na Mungu shetani washenzi
You all need Islam
We don’t need terrorists. We need Christianity
They need Yahushua 😑
Muslims are silly.
@@lilac8794 go and learn about history, you will know who the real terrorist are
Gay af!
you eat da poo poo
You do too honey
LGBTQ? Where is the H😂 LGBTQH😑
😂 😂 😂