Street Debate: Should we stick to traditional gender roles?
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- čas přidán 25. 01. 2024
- Should the kitchen be a woman's place? Who should attend to the kids? Edith Kimani asked young Liberians to unpack gender roles and talk about how new dynamics could affect the power balance in relationships.
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Imagine holding the mic for someone to tell you you shouldn't have the right to even be doing that job
Right?
I think roles and responsibilities in relationships should be discussed and agreed upon by the couple themselves and not what society assigns to them. Thank you
Greetings from Ghana
I agree with You. Greetings from South Africa. I am of Tanzanian(Dad) & Nigerian(Mom) descent my Fiance is of South Africa (Dad) and Indian(Mom) Descent.
We discussed these topics together in the beginning of our relationship of 4years to date.
Have we been rigid in the roles and responsibilities? No.. but that's life it's forever revolving.
My point is as long as you both have a foundation that is bound by you, her and God, then anything is possible.
@@Kanjeee911 couldn't have agreed more.
@@Kanjeee911 wow mixing the genes like tropical juice. You'll have confused kids who don't have a specific heritage.
Sorry for their plight in advance.
Dialogue is always fundamental in a partnership
@@Mr.Ndunyu You seem certain that they will? Their heritage however is very well known thanks.
Also the mention of being an educated woman will lead to her having independent thoughts….really makes you scratch your head.
Elaborate please
Is 'educated' necessarily 'sophisticated'?
Is 'schooling' necessarily 'education'?
Is trusting White people to control what you know SOPHISTICATED?
Definition of LADY:
sophisticated woman
Definition of SOPHISTICATED
knowledgeable of the ways of the world
"All warfare is based on deception." - Sun Tzu
Every Lady must know about, "Torches of Freedom".
Look it up.
@DWThe77Percent I belive what original comment is trying to say is something about lose of control. Traditionalist approach is all about keeping the status quo, maintaining conventional power dynamics still. When women gain knowledge and domestic power, the power balance is subject to change, and creates a lose of control on men's side. He can be seen furious how women get independent of them, which might disturb the already existing cultural institutions and functions, such as marriage. For instance, if the women can be independent in both socioeconomic and law aspects, they can also have a word on marriage, deciding whether or not they want to marry, to whom to be married to, to divorce if necessary, etc.
Does school promote independent thpught or just provide a different group pf people to conform too?
@@psikeyhackr6914 I think what someone gains from schooling is dependent on the person and what they wish to learn
It’s funny how as Africans we want to choose what aspects of western culture we embrace while forcing others to not embrace the aspects we don’t like by defaulting it to tradition. How about all or none-starting with the language, the internet and so forth? Moreover, there’s no standardized African culture. African culture is not monolithic. Even people with in the same country have different cultures. Their arguments are all over the place from tradition to Christian principles. Christianity was brought to Liberia by westerners, so it’s not by definition a “Liberian culture/tradition “ .
It's called self haterd
Hear hear
Whatever the case is...but african culture is not matriarchal but patriarchal same as Christianity. Which is a good thing.
@@Mr.Ndunyu says a man to whom it’s beneficial. The interviewer clearly states that African culture is not monolithic and that her own culture is matriarchal yet you choose to ignore that. In so many homes in Liberia, women are the ones financially supporting the family by selling goods. Yet they come home to serve a jobless man because by default he is “ the head of the family “.
So much to unpack here. Thanks for your contribution!
I love what the lady in the orange said, " men are the weakest link. "...
Absolutely. I didn't know I'm the only one that has said this.
very true , most of students who broke down mentally during our journey in medical school, were men ...yet we had women who would get pregnant, give birth while studying and still handled it
Who hurt u sweetie?
Chantel's husband is the true King!!!!!!!
Does Chantel also go to work by the way? I didn't get that part. If she does, and she contributes equally to household costs, then she does deserve a husband who contributes equally at home too.
They want a traditional wife, but who takes on modern responsibilities. What an irony! I don't know many men who can provide on their own, and give a family a decent lifestyle, in these harsh economic times. How about we create balanced, fair interactions in families; families should not be military bases
Thanks for the contribution!
Thank u ❤
Slavery was also part of tradition once upon a time.
Thank you 😌 when Africans say let's go back to our tradition am like do we bring back slavery??
Yh human sacrifice too. Just barbaric 😢
7:08 This young lady has just fired shots🔥🔥
Protect this young geh at all costs!!
Absolutely loved this debate! We need more conversations like all around Africa
Been watching DW77 for a couple months now. I'm Puerto Rican from America, and I find the content always educating and enlightening. I also find Edith Kimani so beautiful lol
I'm a latino living in Latin America and I consider a bit sad and archaic that some men still do not accept gender equality in any part of the world. At least in my Country, in the 5º article of our Contitution, men and women are stated to be 100% equal. Some guys in this specif video even looked kind of angry just to talk about this issue. But one good thing is the strengh that some women showed and the best of all, in my opinion, is how the presenter guides the conversation. Such a wonderful presenter!
Some older men in my culture used to think as some young african men in this video. But it's a thing very typical to older generations. And we are in the global south, we are not "westerns" since we are not North America neither Europe. Latin America really relates to Africa, but in this issue I understand we differ a bit.
Then men should not pay women dowry then
We ended this institution here since the XIX Century. I understand that some cultures still maintain it, but here it's considered 100% obsolete @@Novikedocumentary
@@Novikedocumentarywhy pay dowry at all for a lady who's gonna leave you in a decade💀
Thank you for the contribution!
Hey Edith, great conversation, can you bring this to Kenya, Nairobi to be specific? I'll be happy to be part of the debate.
That's what I was thinking. I really would like to see this debate in Nairobi!!
Wow, what a nice debate 👏👏👏👏👏
His hat says "The north face gucci" 🤣🤣🤣
@ Lily- Yet, he keeps talking about rejecting Western influence on African culture, traditions.
I'd love to be in one of your episodes. This is very interesting.
The presenter is amazing
I?find it amusing when we say we shouldn't adopt stuff from the west, when this version of christianity, the way we dress speak and act was all enforced onto us anyway
Back in the day women got the respect they deserved then they came with their patriachy... I like the guy at the end who said just look at each other as humans, that's the only way forward
As an old white man in Texas, who is liberal and believes all religions are the bane of civilizations, I continue to be appalled and sad to see in so many parts of Africa the colonial mindset is still so habituated. Love seeing Edith's reactions to some of the "Christian" views ("Christianity" having nothing to to originally with African culture outside of maybe North Africa.) I was married 25 years until my wonderful Black wife passed, and we shared equally within our own capabilities and interests. I often washed dishes, helped with laundry, cut the yard grass and went to work daily to support us. She was able to stay at home, prepare for her musical performances, and prepare me wonderful meals to enjoy each evening. All this "tradition" and religious based edicts will lead nowhere for the nation of Liberia.
The Bible addresses Africa, not and not just north Africa. Egypt, Ethiopia and Sudan are all part of the Bible. Catholicism and Protestantism is European. But the catholic Bible should be taken with a grain of salt. The Roman’s changes a lot in the Bible. Ethiopia has the most accurate Bible in the world. It’s the oldest existing written Bible.
1. You benefitted from her traditional system. Cuase you can say she prepared you wonderful meals and not wonderful Meals. Tradition helped you get wonderful meals because it was part of her tradition to make wonderful meals for her husband. Tradition helped create a good home for you.
8:26 " There is a responsibility assigned to somebody". Quote
Women should be encouraged for study more than men since its women who's going to raise the children!
🙏🏿 🙏🏿 🙏🏿 👏🏿 👏🏿 👏🏿
That man just admitted that bride price is human trafficking.
How would women leave an abusive household if the man controls the money and the women can't make their own?
they didn't know how to answer when the guy talked about the dowry.
because it’s all about “equality” until it’s actually implemented 😂.
@@nicksgang.8094 facts!
What's your understanding of the dowry matter?
@@DWThe77Percent for me I see dowry as tradition. Thankfully I am yoruba so the money is returned back(they always say they aren't selling their child) but the man still has to bring food stuff. So that's the only reason I accept it if I was another tribe where they still pay the dowry,I would be against it. I'm still against it tho
I will answer for them. The dowry system is an old system and it is not needed.
Know your woman, know your home and fine what best works for both of you
Sounds more peaceful
Well done with this interview. The real Christians were the ones who rightly explained that the bible says to submit one to another.
19:15 Liberian women are beautiful though.
11:01 good point .
The sister nail it
I think the basis of traditionalists is education and responsibilities but it’s like as a man why wouldn’t you want to know your home besides providing, and there’s no clear pointers as to providing other than protection
He didn't hold back and i love it.
Audacious right?
When you know better you do better
Knowing better is when man can no longer approach women.
Doing better is when women are lacking each other behind.
What a shame don't get your mouth in do you get that???????
Oh.... I am an ordinary asian man... Even for me... I cannot understand why Mr. J.Best thinks like that... You open English language schools there and I will open Egalitarianism schools in South Korea. You come here and I will go there!
You don't need to give up in relationdhip, you need to try me😊😂
When nothing seems to be working we must a create a way right?
Honestly as a mum , having a career without a supportive husband will be hell. However any man who wants to provide should be able to provide well. Don’t be broke and let a woman who has a good head suffer because you are incompetent. I think everyone has someone for them with their values.
You also do not be a broke woman and let the man suffer because you are incompetent
Culture evolves regardless of what you want. There were both idiotics view on both sides, surprisingly
Please respect other people's views
Any relationship whether material or romantic that is based on submission and not equity is exploitative.
Gender discrimination or the place of a woman in a society is a fundamental issue which, for several years had formed a subject debate in many countries among which Liberia. Thankfully centuries of policies and rules innovation had succeeded to influence the perception of the woman place in a society.Thus the issue of equality between a male and female gender had been addressed in the 2010 Act. On the other hand, mutual agreement is to be considered in the scope of marriage. Etc.
It's funny how that other woman thinks preparing clothes for her partner is abuse. I mean my aim in a relationship is to make my partner's life easier (apart from being loved & loving) and it becomes nice is she does the same for me. I think being partners in a relationship equates to both of you having different roles to make the system work, like a car can't be driven by two people but they can help each other drive smoothly.
Yeah this was funny for.me. but I think she didn't want to disclose the real acts of abuse and just used that as a proxy.
Anthony the traditionalist needs therapy....SMH. Love the couple in matching white shirts!
There are believe who suggest that Women are the centre of life says '' Torey''.
Other view support that, women are the pillar of the society.
Bro was just speaking his mind with No fear, no favor
Clearly
@@DWThe77Percent women should be at home it will go back to that lol
The traditionalist dude was too honest. Inside voice, my guy.
😂 not possible!
I was brought up very traditional, and I still am. What I was taught by my grandmother is the following:
1. Its my responsibility to make sure my family is provided for
2. Its my responsibility to ensure they are protected
3. I should never ever plan for my wife's money
4. It IS NOT my responsibilty to ensure the house is clean, mine is to ensure there is a house to clean
5. It IS NOT my responsibility to ensure the food is cooked, mine is to ensure THERE IS food to cook
6. It IS NOT my responsibility to ensure the clothes are clean, mine is to ensure there are clothes to be cleaned and worn.
But I am a very open minded person, and had I married a woman who wanted 50/50, I would have been happy to adjust, BUT I would require 50/50 all the way. That means no bride price, equally contributing to chores and bills, with no exceptions. It would be stupid to expect a woman to cover 50% of bills and do 100% or even 60% of the household chores, and the reverse is true.
You do realise your grandmother comes from an era that isn't 2024, right? Times have changed. Move with the times. Your grandmother's advice is outdated and downright silly for this day and age.
@sithabelamandlawenkosiwodu6298 if you read my whole comment you would have realised that I am very open to moving with the times. What I am not open to is treating that moving with the times as a buffet where one picks and chooses. As I said, I am happy to discard my grandmother's advice and go 50/50 provided we go 50/50 on everything. No bride price, half half on bills, and 50/50 on household chores. The problem is I have seen few women who actually want that. They tend to want a man who will pay most , if not all, of the bills, but carry half of the house workload and that is just utter selfishness.
And no my grandmother's advice is not silly at all even today. As a matter of fact, even I have met a great number of women looking for a man just like me, who knows his role is to provide. The only challenge is that they wanted a provider AND a homemaker. I refuse to be both to someone who is not equally both. Either you give me a role and take yours, or we are equally responsible for all roles.
@@munhumutema8970 I agree with you 💯. All or nothing. Very well articulated.
Traditionalist dey kill me
Gay
Waoohh my firdt time getting thid notion that patriarchy is box used to limit the potentials and influence of women.....because women can be way more than imagined.
18:55 This other lady fired more shots. I see what she's saying though. African culture is ancient and has roles... People should still want peace though. There Is nothing wrong with women getting educated . The women should just keep respecting the men. The men should Trust that the women Respect them.23:08 guy sounds like he was saying the same thing I was saying to an extent Or what's some men are thinking in liberia,..but There's nothing wrong with women getting educated. I guess we african men do have big egos.
people should respect each other not just women resoecting an men just trust that they are respected!
Wondering how That couple stayed this well in such society ❤
Something to be curious about right
It's a trap
If you want to get in get in
Do you think those women are ready to lick each other behind?
Mind your business
21:25 he’s not wrong.
Why do you say so?
Please know that the Bible says that true leaders are actually servants and BOTH men and women are equal in value and distinct in roles. Plus you cannot claim tradition and then claim Bible when it suites you.
He wants his boss to submit to him?😂😂😂 what a clown
No rights without responsibility!
This is just crazy
19:06 she snapped , really well explained.
Austin and Chantal? I stopped when I heard the colonial names in Africa.
I am exhausted.
Says "Steven Smith"
Steven smith 🤡🤡
@@achonyeginika2195 So you see it too! Europeans are so powerful they can come to Africa and take our ancestors names away from us, sometimes through punishments when Africans are enslaved. But that is nothing: they can take the names of Africans in Africa with only 60 years of colonization and have Africans willingly change from using their own names!
Sorry about that but we hope the video was meaningful
There are a lot of people all throughout Africa with them.
Looks like majority people in the debate have conservative view. How the country managed to have a female president? I'm wondering.
The bible is Correct , Men are the heads of the household and women should submit , but there's no correlation between submission and oppression and there should be a lawful push back again all types of oppression, plus Everything is about balance, both parents have their different roles to their children,and a husband can't always provide consistently , if your wife is providing then you should contribute to the household
Thank you for your contribution!
That guy is a legend.
I hope they can take care of all the bills with that mindset. So if she has no man who takes care of her?
😭 😭 😭 Imagine people who swear down for Christianity complaining about western imposition in this discussion regarding gender roles... 🤷🏿♂️ 😪
When I watch videos of Africans being interviewed on the street it's very telling the way the West has influenced Africa. Just look at the names of the average African in places like Nairobi, Christian and European first names, it's subtle but very telling the same cannot be said for people in Japan and China.
Whomever or whatever brainwashed that Best Anthony guy🥺
I pity his offsprings
Obviously men want to remain « traditional » when it comes to marriage because it benefits them
Edith why don't you take that Anthony to the psychiatrist hospital ? 😂😂
N what does Islam say about woman’s duty in life..?❤
Interesting..
He’s right though
21:34 that guy needs help.
Both sides are correct. There are limits. And there are roles.
Role for both: respect one another, help one another, lift each other up, provide for the home and the family, be compassionate, understanding, loving etc.
Limits: no violence in speech or behaviour, no discouragement, no degradation, no taking advantage of each other, no hatred, no abuse etc..
I hope you all get it. We are all God's children. No child is above another. Like sin, we are all equal in God's eyes. No power over the other. Lift each other up in every way everyday.
Everything edited is subjective! I leave it there.
Look at the marriage and dating statistics in the US, it’s horrible. Do you really want to imitate that?
I agree with the general sentiment, Africans or anyone one t that, should not allow the west to impose their culture. The African culture is extremely valuable and unique and if it is washed away Africans lose their identity.
Identity is important but how about humanity too?
Ok, but if it's that so, then what about their language and their religion? English and Christianity came from Europe, the west has already imposed parts of their culture, but they shouldn't let women chose how they want to live because of culture???? And it's not only for Africa, I'm from Latin America, we speak Spanish and are Catholics, both things came from Spain, Europe, but that is not a reason to submit women. Both continents have other cultural aspects that are more positive than gender roles.
If you want traditional African roots. Remove your clothes and wear the leathered clothes. Get rid of modern things.
Many of those guys who quote the Bible probably never read the Bible because they pick half sentences to try to justify their ignorance and ego
Some of these fellas are just lazy and extremely insecure.
Don't get me wrong, i too am lazy, and love getting spoilt by my wife 😂 but we accomplish so much more as partners, rather than having a parent/child relationship.
The traditionalist; nah, the feminist; nah! The sweet spot is btw the man who said he has two daughters in school & Abraham.
My 2 cents: most single ladies are independent & you should! We don't have issues with that.
The care of the household is primarily the responsibility of the woman...but a man not lending a helping hand Is a no no & the provision for the household is the primary responsibilities of the man (the woman can help a bit & if she wants)
Know this ☝🏿 & know peace.
Thank you for your take!
wooow.. i like this
The husband is not telling the truth
That's bold?
6:08 This brother is putting everybody on notice.uh oh
I'm not sure why she is saying men can't multitask and calling men weak. I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter what type of military it is male (at least 80%) and 86% of police officers are male, with over 93% of construction workers being male. If all these roles were left to women, could they handle it? Furthermore, if women want equality, why not combine men and women in sporting events to ensure fairness? This would mean fewer female athletes, as they do not perform like males in most activities. So, please stop complaining, WOMEN, and maintain your standards.
I consider myself quite progressive… however, there are traits of our culture which have to be considered.
Dowry is the inception of the marriage. The community understands that the man has to demonstrate that he can financially take care of his family by paying. Once he has done this first part, within the marriage he can take care of his family not only financially but even with the small things like helping with house chores.
The key words in the previous paragraph is “take care”. The women when taken care of, will find it easy to respect the man. The psychological make up of men is respect is central to their identity, just as a woman wants to be loved in her relationship.
In other words respect is earned… but it must be there.
The issue of when women earn more than the man (will she still respect the man?) this is key. If suddenly she starts feeling like he is not worth her respect…she breaks her own marriage.
As a man l personally do not care if she earns more…my job is to take care of her and my family (she has to respect me for that, even while earning more) and l will love her for it.
Culture is beautiful when it's not harmful for sure!
@@DWThe77Percent l so sympathize with the men who find after taking care… the wife starts earning more and decides she can do better. 💔
To them l say… just let her go. That situation can not be helped at this point. The sooner you come to terms, the better for everyone.
Thank I am here
There is a traits to our culture for sure when they come with those cameras it's a problem
But our women will not lick earch other behind like they're doing in the west
You're not progressive at all lol 😂.
You don't have the ability to understand what is shitty culture and what is culture that should be preserved. Africa needs to come a long way.
5:52
equal right equal fights
Radio host girl needs therapy 😢
I dont trust this sister sadly
Do t let the west confuse you for God sake were Africans let's be wise for once
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VIEWER DISCRETION-
As a kenyan, the host of this debate does not represent the views of our country. The tribe she comes from, kikuyu, has always been patriarchal(they even practiced fgm rituals) which contradicts her statements.
Thank you for your contribution but people are free to have their own opinions
Kikuyu has also been matrilineal up until British colonialism, remember all the clans are named after women.
@@theafricangirl5125 those are just clan names...but the real head was the man. Kikuyus allowed polygamy and fgm...as a so called african girl, I think you know very little about africa
We are Africans not Europeans for God sake
Yet you run to the Western world for green pastures and cry in your country because of the corruption. There is a reason for progress, and how women are treated and regarded in the home and society makes a difference. When you put half of your population in a box and treat them like an object to control and own, you cap the value they can contribute to society. Teamwork makes the dream work.
@@nigeriansista This is not about looking for greener pasture, this is an african reality an average african man is polygamous and he take care of his women if not for those weak men of the 19th century that accept strangers religion and forcing their people to convert we will still be living our traditional roles which is better,also an european reality is way worse because ther women are fighting for equal rights so do not compare you are not european
At dw your presenter is very unprofessional. She has favoritism for the girls. Please let her know she has to be a fair presenter
Host is weak and insecure, she is wrong with her concept of "independent"
What should independence mean then?
Modern women learn to respect the men who built this comfortable world you are living in today.
Does the respect go both ways through brother. Furthermore, who gave birth to those men😂
How so?
Why you made women not work and saying this.
What confortable world?
When you run a platform like this, I feel like shouldn’t pick any side. But if you don’t like the answers you get from the people you ask, then look for people who will agree to anything that you believe in. This now feels like those podcasts that are there to make women look stupid.
8:02 "...in fact, most of them [African cultures] are matriarchal..." - Edith Kimani
Then one wonders why for more than 400 years, Africa (especially black Africa) has been weak, chaotic, and under foreign powers control...
You are a poor interviewer, your allowed your feminist views to control you in this interview, this had so much more potential to be a better interview. Not bad of a interview but lacking
Do you have a specific view point?