Zoom MS-50G Multistomp : (Part 3) The MS-50G as regular stompbox
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- Official site: www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-50g
Australian Dealers : www.dynamicmusic.com.au
This demo deals primarily with the MS-50G used as a regular stompbox to the front end of an amp's clean channel; in this case, a Laney VH100R through a quad with Greenbacks. I've also employed a JVM Drive by Weehbo Effects towards the end of the video to show what the MS-50G might sound like with a drive in front of it.
Further videos (Parts 1 & 2) explore the MS-50G's prowess as an amp modeler ( • Zoom MS-50G Multistomp... ) and as a direct device for use in a straight-to-house or recording situation ( • Zoom MS-50G Multistomp... ).
There's a lot to love about the MS-50G. You could start with the vast selection of great effects on offer - about 55 of them; then there's the size, tweakability, it's stereo... The list goes on. Not least is the fact that the MS-50G can be used as 1. A regular stompbox; 2. an amp substitute (direct to board application) complete with effects and noise gates; 3. a general multieffect.
Zoom have been in the business a LONG time. Long enough to perfect their sounds, approach, software and hardware departments. This longevity and commitment to perfection has recently manifested itself in products like the MS-50G, A3 Acoustic DI and G5 Multieffect. So if you're not fussed about pricey 'boutique' gear but you do want a complete and very well made all-round solution that offers much more value for money, I recommend you investigate.
Many thanks to Bruce and Greg at Dynamic Music, Australia, for their assistance and correspondence with and on behalf of Zoom, Japan.
Recording gear:
Guitar : 2011 PRS Studio 10-Top, Black Gold. (stock)
Amp: Laney VH100R (Clean Channel) and L412 cabinet (Greenbacks)
Cables : Providence
Mic : Violet Design "The Amethyst Standard" (amp); Samson Airline77 (my voiceover headset)
Camera : Canon 60D (me) and Sony HDR CX150 (MS-50G)
Soundcard : AVID Mbox Pro 3
Computer : Apple iMac 27" i7 3.4 GHz 16 GB RAM
Software : Pro Tools 10 LE, Waves L3-16 Limiter (to keep levels in check at output), Apple Final Cut Pro X (video editing and CZcams compression). - Hudba
I watched all of your videos on this several times. I decided to buy this based on your videos. The quality to price ratio on this thing is just unbelievable. Basically, it has good sounding versions of a bunch of effects that cost more individually than this this unit with everything. Thank you. You saved me a lot of money buying individual effects!
Wonderful player Mr Kingman. Very easy to listen to anything you do Brett. Thanks for the 3 demo vids on this MS-50G. I will buy one so I can look at it and dream about playing like you.
Thank you for the awesome 3 videos you've done for a pedal I can actually afford. Very useful and informative, as are all your videos. You are the Katsunori Ujie of the guitar pedals!
Thanks for the awesome demo. Hard to find demo's that are not just a guy jamming away as they flip through without explaining a single thing.
I have had this pedal for many years and it is an awesome utility box to have. I have been using it at concerts halls, as well as small bar gigs etc. I will admit that it doesn’t “feel” like a real analog effects pedal sound-wise, but it can come pretty close. I put in on the top of my amp so I can switch sounds manually. It is never on the floor unless I use it as a single sound to switch on and of with my chain.
u could stick ZNR to the right of the line selector so its always active for use with distortions. and after the v3.0 update, the dynamic delay is awesome too :)
Just buy MS50G.. thank you for the comprehensive demos, awesome!
I'm normally not into digital multi effect units, but I have to admit this would be a great addition to my pedal board. In a cover band, sometimes one needs a specific effect and this would be perfect. No need to go buy a boutique analog stompbox just for one effect you need on that one song. You've sold me Burgs!
Thank you very much Brett. The only reason I haven't bought one of these is because I was worried that I couldn't use it like a stomp box; so I could turn the effects on and off when I work live. Great video. I'll get one and give it a try; at 65 I'm not real tech savvy.
Brett thank you so much for the great demos. They are done incredibly well.
nice playing to boot.
jim
Excellent demo! You cleared up a lot of confusion.
and you can put the line SEL anywhere the chain, too, so you can have effects chains that you can turn partially on or off. I haven't messed with it much since I play pretty simple but its a nice option to have.
Great demo series.
In 1997 I used to play bass in a metal band through a Zoom 506. The guitar players used to play through their 505's. They were the first affordable units that sounded cool for the price they had. I'm amazed of how much has Zoom improved their products. Maybe I'll buy the bass version of this pedal, just to decrease the size of my live rig.
I actually bought one of these largely due to your great demo. It really is an amazing piece for the price. I use it for effects that I don't use often, like a univibe, which sounds pretty damn good, instead of buying expensive pedals to sit in the closet. Thanks Brett for as always, a great review, Cheers!
Yes, yes and yes. Download the manual from the Zoom site for comprehensive info.
Top idea, PB. I'm on it. Looks like fun and very useful to a bloke like me.
and the coolest thing that u can buy stomp boxes from the internet and u put them into the zoom i dont know how much per box but its very cool
Hi Brett, great videos about this pedal. I bought mine almost as a joke because was 40% off... I'm very surprised because sounds great no matter in wich part of my pedal chain is located. One of the best pedal I ever had, lots of things you can use.
Love the delays an modulations. Regards!
This sounds way too good to be true for the price and ease of use. I never thought of Zoom as a top quality effects manufacturer but this pedal really sounds awesome. I'll definitely consider purchasing one.
I just bought a used G5 in excellent condition and I have a G9 .2 TT that is getting fixed right now that I love. I think Zoom is ahead of the game when it comes to those two bottles and these MS models. Boss and the others better step up a notch because here comes Zoom!!!
Not to mention the fact that they had tubes in their multi affects G series but now there's no two in the new one that's the only call my have with less effects and less amp modelers, i'm sure though get back on track after the release of the G5n.
I also have the G2.9tt. It's phenomenal. They make great products.
Thanks for doing what you do.
Nice Demo Series Burgs. They have been around a long time, I still have my ZOOM 9030...... got be about 27 years old. Because of your demo I upped the firmware in my Zoom G3 and now have a 6 effect chain (was 3) same as MS50-G. As if the G3 wasn't small enough they made it a single pedal, clever bastards those Zoom people.
Thanks a ton for the advice:) This'll help a lot with future purchases.
I'll try to figure out the line select thing, actually it appears pretty simple in terms of operation,; sounds great.
I bought the MG-50G after seeing this video (thanks Brett!) and was pleasantly surprised to see a V3.0 firmware update for it just this week, providing another whole bunch of new effects. Zoom also have provided a Windows & Mac app for editing effects on the pedal. I'm excited to try it all out!
Update: The Effect Manager app is just for selecting which effects are enabled on the pedal, because evidently there now seems to be an upper limit of the number effects made available, which is a bit odd. Unfortunately you're still not able to edit patches with a PC. I wonder if this is possible in an undocumented way, because the MS-50G appears to the PC as a MIDI device. Oh well, never mind. The extra effects provided with the 3.0 firmware update are all great, and maybe deserve a review on their own!
I bought a Zoom G3 a couple of years back, just because it was cheap and it looked interesting.
Totally blown away by Zoom's sound quality. Much better than previous PODs I've had - and much better than the Tech21 emulation pedals (I so wanted to like them, but just didn't).
yeah the great muff with the chorus is awesome
That PRS is gorgeous. I live in decent proximity to the factory so I know a number of people who know the owner personally. It's a great company. Not to mention the fact that the guitars are fantastic,
A year later and I still like the MS100bt
No probs. I'm just the messenger. Thanks for watching and for your kind words. Cheers, B.
i bought one ,they,re great
Excellent demo thanks........ and also Parts 1 & 2. Could you possibly explain how you'd use the Line Select, Patch Alpha Select and Tuner in a "live" situation? It seems to me that I can't do all 3 but if I could the MS-50G would be a great gigging tool.
With that amplifier i would use it's own distortion. And use the modulations of the pedal throw the loop effect of the amplifier.
Ok, thanks. That was what i thought. Serious good stuff from Zoom anyways. Great demo.
Sounds nice! wow, decently suprised!
Thanks for the video! Can I use, for example, the Tape Echo effect four times in the same preset? If yes, can we setup it to work in series an parallel? Best regards.
Yep. Paul is someone whom I've been lucky to spend time with (after I acquired that guitar). He's a fantastic, generous, enlightening bloke and I regard myself lucky to have shared some hours with him. The guitars his company build are second to none in terms of construction and sound. Even the Fender clones I have custom built by VERY great luthiers around the world can't meet the standards that Paul's company have achieved. I'm lucky indeed to be part of their roster. 11/10.
OMG the Weehbo jvm is so shocking good!But did it go through the metalworld preset of the zoom?It looks like it did.
Thanks David. I hear you re the size observation. The crazy thing is that the size of these machines is usually determined by the controllers and/or jacks (sooo 20th Century). The brain is in the chip, and the chip is not very big at all. The input jacks alone are probably 4-5 times as big as the chip.
I have the zoom g3. Use it with headphones mostly - awesome. How can you get such good sound using reverb,delay etc infront of the amp when playing dirty?
What are the chords for that intro? It's so beautiful
can we also combine 2 efx in 1 patch using this pedal? just like a regular dgtal efx?
Hello Sir can i use the effec like a single pedal?
Hi, I recently purchased this wonder and i'm trying to make it auto-start as multistomp pedal. Every time you unplug/plug it, it goes back to default mode, then you press the middle knob to make it stompbox, every time :(
Great orientation/explanation -- thanks! :)
Just doing research for a possible FB Marketplace purchase. :)
will this pedal affect the tone of an amp?
Wow. Very surprised. Of course, you make everything sound good ;)
can you make a patch that serve as a volume boost to the rest of you signal with this? does it have auto wah and acoustic simulator?
Brett, great demos and playing as always. All of the demos of this have people operating it by hand.
Is this pedal able to be used live and controlled by foot to where the effects can be added/omitted, etc . . ?
How would it work with a synth? - are the parameters editable on the indiviual effects?
I started as a metal player some years ago, but now I like to play a wide variety of different styles ranging from jazz and folk to extreme metal. And I really don't have that much money, so I'm looking for something that's max 500 euros and this seems to be the ideal pedal. I can find used Blues Jr's that suit my price range, so I thought that this one with a good clean amp would be enough, since essentially I only need a clean tone and a distorted tone and this has effects on top of that.
is it true bypass when is off ?
Hello. I love Joe faraldi's comment about you being able to make a slice of pizza sound good. I agree with that. I have a question about the way to program this baby : you can program the recall order of patches that you store in a list as 'A', 'B', 'C', etc... but can you program several different lists, store them and use one or the other (like one for each song) ???
Looking for a single pedal to pair with a zt lunchbox. I think you've sold me.
This thing is badass
is there earlhone jacks
Sure does. Tons of 'em.
In the case of ms100bt , you can download extra fx through an app and transfer them to the stompbox by bluetooth.
With regards to bypass (MarkDally and others...) That's what the 'LineSel' module is for. (I thought I made this clear in the vid - obviously not...) It's a line selector, which, if placed in the first of a possible 6 effects positions (or modules or whatever you want to call them) will bypass everything or anything after it. I've tested the bypass; it's not 'true bypass', it's a buffered bypass. And the buffer is as good or better than many others I've experienced. No complaints from me.
hi brett, is this a true bypass? I;m planning to add this to my pedalboard but I'm worried that it'll suck the tone of my rig!
thanks for the great video!
Hmmmm still not very clear, so I create a patch with effects in it right ? example, chorus, delay and tremolo, and I put this line selector in front so I can bypass the whole thing ? ok but lets say I want just chorus for a song and delay in another, how do I change the patch without having to bend down to touch the controls ?
Hey Mr K, I'm having a third go at this pedal. I have sold two previous after a short time, various reasons. I know have my ideal board, crybaby,polytune,compressor,fly rig rk5,mxr chorus,trinity reverb to a fender champ. I want this, again for dotted eight delay, and pitch. Where would you put it in the chain to use as such?
Hi Brett.does this pedal have cab emulated out?
I was hoping you were going to demo it as a standard "STOMP BOX" But you used your hands. I would like to see how this pedal functions on stage where one would be using his feet and not his hands.
MyBlues65 exactly !!!
Use a switcher
Really appreciate your demos, Burgs. Although you could make a slice of pizza sound good. :) Great talent.
So, the MS-50G Doesn't affect your tone?. Even in front of 6 analog pedals (delay,overdrive.distiortion.wah)
Is is Bypass? .. Im looking this pedal for extra effects that i dont have.
why did you use delay?? it prevent people from hearing original sound.
Hi Brett,
Good day. Thank you for the great 3 video demos for Zoom MS-50G. Just want to ask if you could share something about Zoom G1XN compared to MS-50G. Not sure if you have a demo for Zoom G1XN. I am new to multi effects. And I plan to buy one like the MS-50G.
Thanks
I'm afraid I don't have a G1XN to compare with, sorry. Thanks for your kind words, though!
*****
Got my own ms-50g. There was an update to V2.0 for download.
Again, thanks for the review.
It's not true bypass but the bypass doesn't effect tone at all
I have the ms-100bt and it is possibly the best pedal I have ever bought
Very nice.
these are probably the best video demos of a multi-effects pedal I've ever seen and heard on CZcams yet, great work!
I'm wondering though, do you have any of the real analog stomp boxes that the Zoom simulates that you could do a direct side-by-side comparison to? For example a real Proco-Rat vs. the Squeak/Rat simulation on the Zoom, either direct or in front of an amp, etc. Been looking for videos that does direct comparison between the digital simulations on multi-effect pedals and the real thing but have yet to find any.
Actually, can I ask a question? I'm currently using a Peavey 6505+112 and I have to say that I don't like it since it isn't versatile at all. So now I got an idea of changing it to a Fender Blues Junior and buying this pedal. Do you think that this would be even a remotely good idea? It would surely add convenience and versatility to my rig. Thanks in advance.
Brett, love your reviews. I ordered my ms50g after watching your videos some 12 times. I hope Zoom does acknowledge your work. I have been a fan since getting the G2.1NU and there weren't any reviews this awesome for that pedal. Any chance you'll review any Pigtronix pedals? I have an Aria and Philosophers tone, I think you would dig them.
Hey, thanks for the kind words. Mine is a labour of love; one which I'm trying to improve on continuously. Pigtronix pedals: I'd love to demo some of their stuff but I'm not sure they're interested in my services as they probably have enough stateside based demo-people. But we never know what the future holds, do we? Cheers, have a great new year.
Brett, can you use multiple FX at the same time such as fuzz with delay with flanger? How would you do that if so?
I bought one(vers. 3.0 with 172 effects) at the beginning of 2019 and my mind is totally blown by it. You can place any of six effects in a chain in any order as a patch and give it a name.
can you use the same effect type more than once, like using a noise gate at the front and at the back of a chain, or using two delay blocks?
Yes.
Of course its not true bypass, but the bypass is very good i cant hardly tell, not like my previous zoom gfx707 long time ago. This is a very good cheap versetile pedal although i use it only for backup, its not gonna hurt your tone when u r not using it( or when u r using it!)
Just in case anyone from Zoom is checking, I bought one after watching this series of videos and finding them on sale at my local music store.
The modulations sound great, and it takes the distortion in front like a champ. Sadly its own distortions sound terrible to me... mostly. Some are OK, but the fizz factor just about kills most of them for me. Very artificial. Nevertheless it's a great box even if just for the modulations! Thanks for the demos Brett.
Is there any possibilities to turn on and off the selected preset?
You can put LineSel at the start of a chain and it acts as an on off; putting it later in the chain acts as an on/off for whatever follows it.
Alternatively you can label a number of patches from A-Z and stomp through them sequentially, so pairing an effect with an empty "Thru" slot 'A-B' is another way - Switch to the tuner in muted mode to silence everything!
im n love with that p.r.s the zoom i got it its fuckin awesome it makes a huge difference
is there a wah in it ? cheers.PS : i think i bought my SG from you in brash"s or allans -or whatever it was called years ago Brett ??? LOL .
Most likely, you can connect it to a computer and download software that can get you extra sounds for free
does this have a synth effect?
Yes, it does have a synth effect in it.😊
What's the line selector for?
Oh, i've read the info on the video. Thanks!
Haha... had this running in the background, and then at 5:00 I thought: "dayyyum, how did he get that sound??"
:-(
As long as that BJ has a decent clean tone - or you could even jack straight into its FX return and run the MS-50G amp sims san cab sims (which you won't need, right?) - you'll be cool. Thumbs up. :)
Sold
How does the Pandora Stomp compare to the MS-50G?
Thanks!
+John Kiene This seems to be a question many are asking. I know you asked a year ago, so by now you could be off slaying polar bears in Africa. I got my hands on a Pandora for playing-it seems to concentrate on emulating the sounds from specific songs (Master of Puppets, Aenima, Smoke on the Water, etc.), but in terms of individuality, I didn't see it shine like zoom usually does. My Zoom RFX-100 couldn't be touched, and I've found they really put their balls into their work. I'm getting the 50 tomorrow. Haven't gotten my hands on it, but I DO know the Pandora seemed awkward and even the clerk had to spend a half hour getting it to function. Who knows, maybe this thing is complicated, too, but I DO know product name *does* matter in the world of music. Korg never really impressed me, whereas Zoom certainly did. Top tier performance in the studio from my RFX, so I'm expecting the same from this puppy.Can update per requests. I don't expect disappointment, and look forward to the Rat.
+Gordon Thomas Very helpful comment! Thanks Gordon!
Jensen Bell Yeah no problem. I have the 50, and it's really sweet. I won't look at a distortion pedal the same. OR an FX rack.
It's crazy where we've come.
I enjoy your videos but you didn't really show whether it can be used as a regular stomp box. Nobody has time to press buttons during a live show. What I wanted to know is whether can it can go from delay>delay and octave>delay by stomping it on and off.
It can do as you wish but you'd have to store your different combinations of effects and whether they're on or off in one of the 50 preset slots, and then use it Preset or memory mode. Please consult the downloadable manual for further info.
Tehran no foot pedals so this is more like using ur hand to switch correct. This looks more like recording stuff awesome for home jams
theres many modes, so u can turn singles on/off, with one stomp, multiples on/off single stomp, some can stay on while some can be on/off single stomp, u can setup to ... say bounce between 2 presets single stomp, scroll designated patches 123456123456 ect, this pedal can do many modes, easier to use than u think. i use 3 on my board, one pre tube amp input, second thru series effects loop, third thru parallel effects loop. first is noise reduction always on, and overdrive on/off, second is noise reduction and eq always on, exciter and chorus on/off, third is firstly line selector with volume at zero, stomp delay set page 2 to stereo, but only use one output (right) into hall reverb, killing dry signal so doesnt screw with phasing while using parallel loop, the on/off is line selector, adding the wet delay/verb, or muting parallel loop. holding switch down set to tap tempo for delay. 3 stomps, total control. anyone can be held to mute and give tuner aswell. without these pedals, i would need 10 singles, these things are worth more than priced. really.
to answer ur question, yes it can do delay>delay and octave>delay with single stomp. just need to set it. best part is no need to save. when u unplug it, it remembers everything. dont think ive ever actually saved a patch or went to diffrent presets. just set it up as swiss armyknives. no hassle. cheers
What kind of guitar were you using???
check in the description it tells u there
a prs guitar i believe
You know the band 'Ghost'? Zoom are like those guys. Maybe even more extreme. At least Ghost give interviews. The Zoom guys have never acknowledged my videos publicly... or even personally. Odd. Still, I respect their work. It must be a Japanese thing.
Brett Kingman maybe they don’t read or speak English or not who knows.
The 6505's fundamental reason for being is to rock and rock hard. Versatility was not its main design criteria. If you're looking for versatility you might want to consider a very clean amp like a '65 RI Twin, Super-Sonic, Laney VH100R or a HIWATT Custom... there are others; and get some decent pedals to do the dirty work. This pedal will cover many bases - not all - but can be used without an amp (because it simulates many) if need be. Will the audience be able to tell the difference? Hmmm...
You can't really. You'd need to stick in the amp's effects loop if it has one.
Does the MS100BT sound the same Have one and it seams more digital sounding
+Sin sin sinner From what I've heard the main differences are merely the Bluetooth capability, and a few extra cabs.I asked the same; haven't heard of the 100 sounding 'more digital'.
I dont know why wrote that I have two 100s and find there are NOT digital sounding
Sin sin sinner appreciate your response. My 50g will be here in a day or so, I can't wait to try it out.
I still wish I knew the differences between the 50 and the 100 other than BT.
only the 100 is true stereo in and out
Sin sin sinner thanks
The problem is that you cant turn the entire pedal into bypass if you are using multiple effects. That's a big problem if you are going to use it live...
+Sebastian Martinsson you can in fact do this, and it's remarkably simple.
+sagnier Are you referring to the line selector? But lets say I want to use the patch scroller and then turn effects on and off from there.
The pedal is great anyway. It's worth it just for the modulation effects imo :)
I would create an 'empty' patch in that case, and simply insert it wherever it was required in the sequence.
And I agree- the pedal is excellent. There's simply nothing else that comes close in terms of flexibility and usefulness at this price (or any price really!).
This actually looks like a pedal you could use in a practical situation, like a gig....
Changing patch to patch and back is a big issue with this unit
I haven't found this to be such an issue; there's a feature that assigns any patch a position from A-Z and the pedal cycles through the sequence with each stomp of the foot. You can't reverse through the sequence but you can copy or modify a duplicate patch and assign it a letter later in the sequence - I just reserve a few patch slots as a sandbox for such maneuvers.
I'm all about getting tails
Good job but you got a lot of clipping on this one.
Dealbreaker: no headphones output. :(
There aren't many effect pedals with headphone outputs, it's not a common feature at all. You could connect something like an Electro-Harmonix pocket amp (with headphone out) after a pedal though, if that helps :)
Lol.