Just want to throw it out there that I said out loud to myself “oh man, it’s him” the moment he mentioned to Lauren that the address on the envelope was printed by an old typewriter. It struck me as instantly noticeable that, while the game takes place in the modern time, his office is straight out of a noir film. Old typewriter was right there on the desk, his refrigerator is from the 50s/60s, he’s got that super old Studebaker looking ride… everything about him said “holding onto the past”. He also never once even interacted with the other law enforcement. Oh and the old door with the door knob in the middle.
@@bananajoe7365oh there’s a lot. Like how did Scott have time to kill manfred in the 10 seconds Lauren was Distracted? And his inner thoughts make it sound like he’s actually searching for the killer. And why does Ethan keep having those blackouts with the origami in his hand, even though he’s not the killer? And if Scott started killing immediately after witnessing Ethan trying to save his son, how could they think it’s Ethan even though he’s been in a coma for 6 months after the fact?
While I do sympathize with what Scott went through during his childhood, his actions were FAR from justified. He essentially thought that since his alcoholic father didn't lift a finger to help his brother, he thought that it was okay to drown kids in rain water and make fathers have to suffer and nearly die to save their sons.
He didn't think "it was okay". He had a goal to find a truly loving father, all else weren't as important to him. This is why we will always have villains in the world, because people are so eager to find the most convenient excuses to detach from the idea of being a villain.
I feel like it was a missed opportunity to have Scott have multiple personalities it would explain a lot such as him risking his own life just to accuse the mob boss' son and saving Lauren even tho its possible to leave her but why would you if you didn't know he was the villain?
@@TheRealZachHadel This game had so much potential. They could have done so much with this game I remember when I first played it I thought I would see a huge twist at the end but I was so disappointed. Now I realize how good it would be if Ethan himself was the Origami killer He lost his son his wife everything And he became delusional he became a shizoprenic killer, that would be so brilliant. Nobody would have thought that it would make so much sense. This game would be so much better But sadly they ruined it.
Scott does all this in order to collect the maximum possible amount of evidence on himself and cover all traces. Then he burns everything that he managed to collect. He also asks everyone about the origami killer to make sure no one suspects him.
I knew it was him from the beggining but because i knew they gonna try an unimaginable plot twist, still i think it didn't match his character and personality with a serial killer, no matter how the serial killer tries to hide it, he always gonna show strange feelings or at least in some particular moments, something that this character didn't have...
psycopaths actually know how to hide themselves.... you would be surprised.... also shelby most likely suffers some other problems so he may believe he is the good guy when he is not really, he tries to act good and do good things but actually he is just a pail of shit.
I remember doing research about psychopaths in middle school for a project. I remember a lot of sources saying how you would never know that a psychopath is next to you because they act like any other human being, even killers. There are people who kill yet live the rest of their life like anyone else would, with a job, hobbies, etc. I love the detail of this game, the story was amazing and very entertaining
There is no way you knew.Even the best players of this didn't knew what to do.Besides he did show some signs.He was more brutal than the other characters and he never hesitated on beating or killing people before he was revealed.Also he knew very well how to cover his tracks and thats why he played the detective
It is still my favorite game next to DBH. I don't give a single crap of what everyone else is saying. For me it is a game about love and about relationships with others. About a father who lost everything and is desperately trying to get a fracture of his life back. In the end though, it's just a game written by a person who just wants to express himself through that kinda of media or whatever. Why so much hate? This game has motivated me in my life and it still does and thats what makes a game good imo. Thanks for reading and have a happy new year :)
everyone be saying that this isnt a spoiler but i wasnt expecting that cuz it just doesnt fit his character, at first i thought it could be evan but when he was thinking the same i just thought it cant be true, i was changing my thoughts depending on situation but i would never think taht scott would be the killer
I think Carter Blake should’ve been the killer. I would’ve written that Scott was actually trying to find the killer, but not because he was hired by the victim’s families. Because it was personal. The Origami Killer was murdering those kids exactly in the way that his brother died… subjected to a slow death by drowning. While a surprise twist was a good idea, for Scott I don’t think it completely works. Especially not at the part where he kills Manfred. There is no way he would have enough time to do all of that, especially not with Lauren also in the shop. If she had noticed for even a second that he was not in the room, she would’ve figured out he was Manfred’s killer. The little toy ballerina serving as a temporary distraction for Lauren is complete nonsense.
I think Ethan ex wife Grace should be the killer, she experienced such a tragic accident and it's easier for her to develop a extreme mindset which push other to experience same tragicdy. And it will also explain why those trial target Ethan and make him hurt himself continously, which is a revenge against Ethan because of his fault of Jason
This isn't a plot twist. This is the game lying to you. There wasn't new information that recontextualizes some scenes while still being coherent. It just showed you shit and then told you "Nah, that one didn't count". There wasn't even an attempt at establishing an unreliable narrator, the game just contradics itself, otherwise it couldn't surprise you in a consistent way.
Personally I was always under the impression that Scott suffers some kind of personality disorder after his trauma. Hence why we couldn’t find out any of this when playing as him (the “detective”)
kinda realized something off with Shelby in typewriter shop, and I'm correct. but damn, i really hope i can save the origami killer and put him into the jail (batman's way). 😂😂 but i forget that they have no superpower or fancy gadget
Marlon Brando, that’s who should have played Scott Shelby in a live action remake. Scott Shelby is based off of Marlon Brando mostly in this game and when the Developers were making Scott Shelby, they based him off of Marlon Brando.
Jesus Fucking Christ, how often can you repeat yourself in one sentence? I guess I should've seen it coming from a guy who's name is 'Skyrim Warrior' 😂
@@MichaelHeat Thumbnail was automated when I posted this. And tbh, I think it's a good fit. I know it could spoil some people if it pops up randomly, which I wouldn't want, but I feel like it's more for those that want to relive the moment. It's not entirely clear who it is just by the pic tho.
Man this game was so bad, there’s stuff I like but the pacing was horrible, the VA’s sound bored af, there was too many plot holes, the motion controls really don’t hold up, and this reveal was so dumb
Just want to throw it out there that I said out loud to myself “oh man, it’s him” the moment he mentioned to Lauren that the address on the envelope was printed by an old typewriter. It struck me as instantly noticeable that, while the game takes place in the modern time, his office is straight out of a noir film. Old typewriter was right there on the desk, his refrigerator is from the 50s/60s, he’s got that super old Studebaker looking ride… everything about him said “holding onto the past”. He also never once even interacted with the other law enforcement. Oh and the old door with the door knob in the middle.
You're too smart for your own good, my goofy ahh could never
Idk why he needed to point out the printed address when he has a printer. It just seemed a careless giveaway to say for a detective/serial killer
This twist punches so many holes in the plot it is now a cheese grater.
😂😂😂😂😂😂LMAO
I know its pretty bad😂
there weren't any plot holes
@@bananajoe7365oh there’s a lot. Like how did Scott have time to kill manfred in the 10 seconds Lauren was Distracted? And his inner thoughts make it sound like he’s actually searching for the killer. And why does Ethan keep having those blackouts with the origami in his hand, even though he’s not the killer? And if Scott started killing immediately after witnessing Ethan trying to save his son, how could they think it’s Ethan even though he’s been in a coma for 6 months after the fact?
@@landonhudson9726
Los desmayos se deben a un contenido eliminado del juego 😮
While I do sympathize with what Scott went through during his childhood, his actions were FAR from justified. He essentially thought that since his alcoholic father didn't lift a finger to help his brother, he thought that it was okay to drown kids in rain water and make fathers have to suffer and nearly die to save their sons.
He didn't think "it was okay". He had a goal to find a truly loving father, all else weren't as important to him. This is why we will always have villains in the world, because people are so eager to find the most convenient excuses to detach from the idea of being a villain.
I was so disappointed that it was him when I was a kid, and still kind of am.
This game’s writing was so clever! I really like how it left clues throughout the game too it’s very well done.
I don't know why he couldn't just lend John a hand to pull him out of there.
he tried to but his leg was rlly stuck, kids dont have such power and the water had probably more power than scott
@@fnafrixthat’s lame as hell and you know it….
His leg is stuck, the water current is too strong to gain momentum from your arms
@@Cvmpbell dude, if he was able to pull him out of there that would be scientifically inaccurate. Stop being a hater
He’s a kid. Even if managed to get his leg free by some miracle, the water would have just swept him away instead.
This game was AMAZING when it came out
I feel like it was a missed opportunity to have Scott have multiple personalities it would explain a lot such as him risking his own life just to accuse the mob boss' son and saving Lauren even tho its possible to leave her but why would you if you didn't know he was the villain?
nah that shits not original enough, people have definitely done that before
@@TheRealZachHadel heavy rain released in 2011 i would like to remind you
@@TheRealZachHadel This game had so much potential.
They could have done so much with this game I remember when I first played it I thought I would see a huge twist at the end but I was so disappointed.
Now I realize how good it would be if Ethan himself was the Origami killer
He lost his son his wife everything
And he became delusional he became a shizoprenic killer, that would be so brilliant. Nobody would have thought that it would make so much sense.
This game would be so much better
But sadly they ruined it.
Scott does all this in order to collect the maximum possible amount of evidence on himself and cover all traces. Then he burns everything that he managed to collect. He also asks everyone about the origami killer to make sure no one suspects him.
@@thehosdadal4542 don't think they were questioning his motives.
I knew it was him from the beggining but because i knew they gonna try an unimaginable plot twist, still i think it didn't match his character and personality with a serial killer, no matter how the serial killer tries to hide it, he always gonna show strange feelings or at least in some particular moments, something that this character didn't have...
psycopaths actually know how to hide themselves.... you would be surprised.... also shelby most likely suffers some other problems so he may believe he is the good guy when he is not really, he tries to act good and do good things but actually he is just a pail of shit.
I remember doing research about psychopaths in middle school for a project. I remember a lot of sources saying how you would never know that a psychopath is next to you because they act like any other human being, even killers. There are people who kill yet live the rest of their life like anyone else would, with a job, hobbies, etc. I love the detail of this game, the story was amazing and very entertaining
There's something called an unreliable narrator that is especially common with the noir genre
Also he can't die till the end
There is no way you knew.Even the best players of this didn't knew what to do.Besides he did show some signs.He was more brutal than the other characters and he never hesitated on beating or killing people before he was revealed.Also he knew very well how to cover his tracks and thats why he played the detective
It is still my favorite game next to DBH. I don't give a single crap of what everyone else is saying. For me it is a game about love and about relationships with others. About a father who lost everything and is desperately trying to get a fracture of his life back. In the end though, it's just a game written by a person who just wants to express himself through that kinda of media or whatever. Why so much hate? This game has motivated me in my life and it still does and thats what makes a game good imo. Thanks for reading and have a happy new year :)
DBH is probably the best storytelling game I’ve ever played
Scott is origami killer wow
Yes origami killer
bogus ending
Its bs
@@olechristianhenne6583 how is it bs?
@@olechristianhenne6583 bro didn't like the twist and make sure to comment at every video lol
bro get a life
everyone be saying that this isnt a spoiler but i wasnt expecting that cuz it just doesnt fit his character, at first i thought it could be evan but when he was thinking the same i just thought it cant be true, i was changing my thoughts depending on situation but i would never think taht scott would be the killer
Because it just doesnt make sense for him to be the killer.
@@observer.b_e_l_l_i_s it actually does when you connect everything
@@observer.b_e_l_l_i_s it does u just have a weak mind
@@observer.b_e_l_l_i_sIt actually makes so much sense that it is him but you need to play the game a 2nd time.
Una de las mejores escenas en los videojuegos que haya jugado
Scott being the bad guy was a bunch of bull.
I think Carter Blake should’ve been the killer. I would’ve written that Scott was actually trying to find the killer, but not because he was hired by the victim’s families. Because it was personal. The Origami Killer was murdering those kids exactly in the way that his brother died… subjected to a slow death by drowning. While a surprise twist was a good idea, for Scott I don’t think it completely works. Especially not at the part where he kills Manfred. There is no way he would have enough time to do all of that, especially not with Lauren also in the shop. If she had noticed for even a second that he was not in the room, she would’ve figured out he was Manfred’s killer. The little toy ballerina serving as a temporary distraction for Lauren is complete nonsense.
I think Ethan ex wife Grace should be the killer, she experienced such a tragic accident and it's easier for her to develop a extreme mindset which push other to experience same tragicdy. And it will also explain why those trial target Ethan and make him hurt himself continously, which is a revenge against Ethan because of his fault of Jason
@@elmaz46You replied the same comment under every single comment, we get it dude.
@@brianbommarito3376great comment 👍👍
This isn't a plot twist. This is the game lying to you. There wasn't new information that recontextualizes some scenes while still being coherent. It just showed you shit and then told you "Nah, that one didn't count". There wasn't even an attempt at establishing an unreliable narrator, the game just contradics itself, otherwise it couldn't surprise you in a consistent way.
F*ck you and your bullsh*t conspiracy theories
huh
Well imo if they kept Ethan as the origami killer would be a little expected
Personally I was always under the impression that Scott suffers some kind of personality disorder after his trauma. Hence why we couldn’t find out any of this when playing as him (the “detective”)
if so, then the Origami Killer remains to be ambiguous and left open to interpretation and conspiracy.
Shelby always reminds me of chris chrisirie
Scott is the killer
Scott is the killer
Scott is the killer
Glenn jacobs could have been an awesome Scott.
Or maybe John would have been better, if he hadn't died, but you're right it would have been the same.
kinda realized something off with Shelby in typewriter shop, and I'm correct. but damn, i really hope i can save the origami killer and put him into the jail (batman's way). 😂😂
but i forget that they have no superpower or fancy gadget
Marlon Brando, that’s who should have played Scott Shelby in a live action remake.
Scott Shelby is based off of Marlon Brando mostly in this game and when the Developers were making Scott Shelby, they based him off of Marlon Brando.
Source?
You know that Marlon Brando has been long gone right?
What? Marlon Brando died in 2004.
Jesus Fucking Christ, how often can you repeat yourself in one sentence? I guess I should've seen it coming from a guy who's name is 'Skyrim Warrior' 😂
John goodman.
Wait a minute. Scott betrayed Manfred and killed him, and he killed Paco. He was the Origami Killer this whole time?!
That literally is the entire point. He goes into different locations throughout the game and tries to collect the evidence that he is one.
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Shit! I've seen a spoiler
I remembered I watched this on Pewdiepie. Plot Twist is real bro
Why didn’t the kid just save him
John's legs were stuck and Scott wasn't strong enough to pull him out that's why he asked his father but he ignored the situation.
Too busy whistling.
It revealed for me after they made cut merchant death
This game would've been okay had it not been for the shitty french-english voice actors. It turned into a comedy movie from a murder-mystery
U should change the thumbnail.
lmao, probably.
It’s been 5 years dude
@@ArthurMrgan And? There are still people who haven't even played Heavy Rain yet
@@MichaelHeat That's their fault. It's very unlikely they just happen to stumble upon this video without looking it up like I did.
@@MichaelHeat Thumbnail was automated when I posted this. And tbh, I think it's a good fit. I know it could spoil some people if it pops up randomly, which I wouldn't want, but I feel like it's more for those that want to relive the moment. It's not entirely clear who it is just by the pic tho.
Man this game was so bad, there’s stuff I like but the pacing was horrible, the VA’s sound bored af, there was too many plot holes, the motion controls really don’t hold up, and this reveal was so dumb
😂😂😂