ESTJ vs INFJ
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I find NF talk is a great way to bullshit when you don't want to answer a question that's too personal. So you go all flowery and big picture and end up talking about aliens living on planets far, far away, and the beauty in that...
100%.
Lmao
Aw man that sucks NF talk comes off that way. Those of us who do it don’t mean to bullshit. At least I will speak for myself. My thought process isn’t linear and there are a ton of layers, feelings, thoughts to sift through when I’m speaking. I’m also by default repulsed by a bullshitter and can usually detect when someone is being inauthentic, so it really does suck it comes off that way
@@fluffyclouds555 I don't think it always comes off that way, but if you wanted to use it to bullshit then the option is there... But I do think there is a bit of an art to it.
@@nicadquartz I actually wish I could be a better bullshitter at work. A bullshitter with a positive purpose if you will. Not a bullshitter who talks a big game and tries to deceive (which is what I was referring to before). At my workplace there are people who are very good at running meetings. Stating the facts, summarizing them, speaking at length, clearly, walking a topic up and then back down, without losing anyone. I think part of it is knowing how to bullshit with skill. It seems like a very ST thing. Def something I admire when I see it because it comes off as very intelligent and mindful of the audience.
My face was very enchanted with his NF talk, it was resonating with me... and then her face! 🤣
Yeah. I'm an NT and even I found what he was saying somewhat engaging and relatable.
My mind just started wandering. Just sounded like a lot of words for no reason.
Ikr hahhaha
I'm NT with ST acquaintances at my cafe. They talk about the stock market, their family, and politics. When I mention my spiritual experience they look at me exactly like the lady in the video. They don't mock me or anything. They just seem to go blank, like their internal computers need to be rebooted.
I was born into an ST world as an NF and my family perma looks at me that way. Fun way to grow up feeling like the family idiot. Joke’s on them, I’m amazing.
I'm an NT with ST husband, I get you
Maybe Sensate people are like robots for serving iNtuitive people who are more evolved and aware of future potentials. ;)
Woah, you describe exactly how I feel when I'm with my in-laws (most of them are Sensors)
Yes this is very enlightening! To me he was a perfect interviewee, lol...and now I understand all those blank stares when I speak!
You know it's NF talk when as a viewer you forget the original question, his answer was nice on its own but I had to rewind lol
This is such an interesting observation!
@Mr. Dog Same with Russel Brand when he's fired up in an interview. I think it's an N/Fe (maybe weak Ti problem) thing. There's an INFJ actress who's british who uses big words and has to define the words everytime.
Could just be a British thing though 😂
@Jerline that's only true for another NF (especially Ne, i.e. xNFP) listening to it. Any NT (specifically NiTe i.e. xNTJ) would not lose focus on the initial topic (and he wasn't off-topic at all, his Ni cleanly threaded the needle at the end).
In fact, (instead of the Ni user in this example, who sticks to the topic) if an Ne user is going on and on with the NF talk that sidesteps from the main topic, Ni/Te listeners will bring them back up and prevent them from pivoting if the shared information is deemed useful (Ni/Fe listeners will maybe notice the pivot and adapt with that change in temperament? I'm not quite sure).
happens with NT too lol
IFJs have an Te blindspot. Which means, they don't ask questions to specify, what exactly was asked (that is probably the main point of Te - what the other person wants). From my TJ point of view, all Ti have problem understanding what piece of information the other person wants to have and for what purpose.
Main type of jokes, that IFJs make is about Te - asking question to specify, what was said (example: INFJ Brie Larson in an interview, where she answers questions from Google).
The look on her face said. What the Hell are you talking about!? 😆
I’m an INFJ and am dying from the ending 😂 I was bathing in all that beautiful NF. Reminds me of how half the shit I say just won’t land no matter how genius, valid, thoughtful I think I’m coming off as
Exactly! What he was saying was quite informative of how he used his trauma to help understand the world, and all the other comments here saying they have no idea what he's saying and that he didn't answer the question 🤦🏻♀️🤣
@@jkd2608 yeah I wasn’t aware of this actor before but now I want to know more about him. What he said and HOW he said it was beautiful in my opinion because it revealed his depth, his worldview, and his resilience. It pains me that most people want you to tell them exactly what to draw from spoken language; it can feel as though there is no room to show authentic thought process. The way he said it revealed way more about him than if he gave a simpler answer. I get that not everyone can pick up on those details; they’re simply not looking and not interested.
@@fluffyclouds555 so true!
I failed creative writing in highschool because of that hahahah
I thought it made perfect sense, he just said it very eloquently and beautifully.
They really look exactly like me and my ESTJ friend. He never cares about visions, he just wants facts
I'm speculating, that NF "Jargon" when asked the question, is a defense mechanism. He also immediately sped up talking (I know it was already sped up).
>How has that informed the trajectory of where you are now?
It sounded like he said, the car accident was of course a traumatic experience. Losing his father, having physical injuries. That was a HUGE obstacle to overcome at 11.
It sounded like the arts (Literature and performance) helped him to see, in life, there is both beauty and tragedy. There are thousands of stories where people experienced loss, sadness, pain and grief.
The arts became both a model how others experienced pain and an outlet maybe how he should/could express himself.
"Through performance of really trying to get in tune with some of the complications of being alive...performance gave me an avenue, a conduit of understanding the world. (Helped me to understand) Theres both beauty and tragedy"
I read your comment before watching the whole video and thought you were simply teasing infj (I'm one) but then he actually said what you said 😂 I find it quiet frustrating others not being direct but I see how everyday ESTJs have to suffer intuitive ppl 😂
@@cass8330 Had to rewatch that part 10 times to understand his message. Hope I interpreted it accurately😧
Being an NF myself, I honestly have no clue whatsoever to answer such a question. How am I supposed to summarize in 30 seconds what impact such trauma had on my life (had that happened to me) and how all this led me to where I am right now? It's like trying to put an elephant into fridge. You can't do it.
...and this is why as an INFJ my romantic relationship with an ESTJ ended badly.
@@ivanmihalj7781 If you expect someone with Ni-blindspot to "get you" as you really are.. you are deluding yourself. Don't do it unless he is a real man with a heart and soul present.
@Fateme Ghadamgahi Yes
I’m an INFJ married to an ISTP. It’s hard.
@@fluffyclouds555 You need some "more"/healthy (or Fi ) in your life! :) Hopefully he is "expanding" and not too stuck in his ways so you can feel valued and seen, embraced when "needed" ( or always ) mentally, emotionally and physically! :)
With both partners "doing their part", any type match is possible to work. Sometimes those that are not the most natural fit, can grow the most.
Same. I like them though.
ESTJ vs INFJ... wow what a difference
I felt like I was gonna pee my pants when you stopped on the ESTJ's face lmao.
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
INFJ here
I find ESTJs the most difficult type or least interested in spending my time with. ESFJs are rough too w/ the fake Fe and Si mix 😩
When I talk to sensors I just listen, because I feel a fool I just spit out the details, what interest is there in just spilling out all the details?
I just ask myself.. why are you telling.me.that?
Trying to give you the whole picture so you can see it the way I did
@@constanze8404 yeah, that`s what I do
I have had sensors explain to me how they make their own mayonnaise, in great detail. I didn't ask. But that is how they live their lives, doing things, and then meeting with people to tell them about the things that they did. It is a strange concept to me!
@@marthaimmer5675 yeah, a total strange concept for me..
@@dianadias3 What type are you? xNxx clearly :)
The information mismatch between people of different quadras (function combinations anywhere in the function stack) can be really interesting. I am self-assessed as Ti-Ni and a buddy of mine is Ne-Te and we get along great on a casual level, have pretty similar interests, but sometimes it feels like the deeper we get into a topic the more we're speaking two different languages. Or rather, focusing on completely different elements of what's being said. He wants to make a bunch of really broad generalizations about a topic in order to get to a conclusion, whereas I feel like I need to dig into each one of them to see if I agree, so it takes us forever to get anywhere.
I imagine the disconnect would be even worse if you also have different letters, like the Ni-Fe vs. Te-Si in the clip.
I love Marie Kondo's approach... For me, saying goodbye to things I felt a bit guilty about wanting to get rid of, being able to feel gratefulness for things even though it might not be things that you have a need for anymore... gosh, it was such a game-changer. That Japanese philosophy of (Shinto?) treating things as souls, with purposes and all, might be hard to piece together for some of us, but it certainly helps to let go. To think that she, or that anyone, would apply that to housework and clutter just blows my mind. Sometimes we've forgotten how much our minds might actually need to say goodbye and feel grateful for what we've learnt, even when it might not fit with some of our beliefs. I think Kondo's book is very helpful, and rather than watching the series, I'd recommend everyone struggling with clutter to go read the book. It's so much better. At the very least it'll make you rethink your approach to the practice of gathering things, or letting go.
I don't actually believe things have a consciousness that'll register what I'm feeling like some kind of telepathy. I'm saying that recognizing our feelings regarding our physical reality helps lots when you have a cluttered home. And learning to release has been important for me in my cleaning journey.
I am not a Christian, but I respect all religions.
I once thought an ESTJ was a softie little teddy bear. Marshmallow soft on the inside. Biggest mistake of my life. Stupid me.
I’ve noticed every time he finally says detail, he is afraid of her reaction.
This analysis was very informative. Thanks Dave and Shan!
I love that interviewer she's a psycho, I don't mind ESTJ's in creative fields, but in Authority they're absolute trash haha - ENFP
Now I am just watching because I love how intuitive talk and how the sensors react to them and of course the cherry on top of the cake is Shannon’s laughs. 🤣😂
As an INFJ I find the NF talk like this strangely difficult, since I want people to understand me, I more lean towards the NT talk where things are abstract but make actual sense and remain logical, simply because I understand and feel with my Fe that if I do the NF talk people are left with 6:02, I can feel their confusion before they finish the sentence and usually that's not what I want xD
They both are professionals and both are in an entertainment. How is it possible that they do not understand each other so much?
6:02 She(ESTJ) hoped to get the real life difficult stories but that was so personal to an INFJ. I do answer the way the way music and reading was my inspiration brah brah to avoid spilling out my personal stories in public, too. INFJs do understand the questions and expected answers 100% but won’t give the answer you want or maybe mix up a little bit of personal information, it all depends on who you are.
Also, you can always count on Si to remember details that you hardly even remember talking about yourself, or may even have forgotten.
Speaking as an ENFJ with Si people in my life here ;)
Best example of an ESTJ I've seen
Feel sorry for the poor ESTJ. They are missing out on so much of the experience. No depth of understanding meaning, nuance. Keeping it all superficial, "Just the facts!"
mmmhm
The same can also be said about Intuitives my friend.
Funny. I listen to this guy talk, and I just hear a ton of vague and superficial generalities that could mean anything. No nuance, specifics, or valuable info/payoff whatsoever.
Careful with your N bias, We Ns subconsciously ignore a shit ton of sensory info that we can't end up factoring into our N theories. Be grateful that S types exist, they don't overthink stuff generally.
But they are so good at doing things.... I have an ESTJ relative who does more in a day than I (INFJ) do in three months (OK, maybe six).
I randomly remembered this video today and had to find it again to see that ESTJ face reaction LMAO 🤣
Off topic...
I watched one of your videos once in which you talk about observers dealing with Fear and deciders with Pain... When I saw it I immediately associated it with Anxiety and Insecurity, the most common issues every person has to deal with more than once in their lives.
But what about the specific causes of these issues? I was wondering if would it be possible that there was a relation between the cause and the personality type, that is, that every personality type had its own weakspot.
For example, when it comes to anxiety, Oe's fear control (future, rules, stagnation) while Oi's fear chaos (change, the unexpected), so far that's pretty clear to me, but what about the Deciders' causes for Pain or Insecurity? Have you noticed any trend, perhaps related to their inferior function? For example, like...
ExFJ: insecurity about their own ability or intelligence (Ti)
ExTJ: insecurity about reputation or not being respected (Fi)
IxFP: insecurity about competence and the hierarchy of authority (Te)
IxTP: insecurity about personal relationships and acceptance (Fe)
...would anyone agree with this? any thoughts?
He answered the question well so I don’t know why the woman is confused. He said the death of his father made him grow up fast, having experienced tragedy at an early and it prepared him to express himself in the arts and acting, which usually deals with intense emotional and heavy stuff.
hahaha NF talk goes brrrrr
I got in the same situation with Mari Kondo! I gave away and threw out bunch of stuff and later I regretted it so much. There was nice stuff in there. And I am a hoarder, too.
Alright Im dying rihgt now watching this. Is this the same Dave from RC super powers? What a funny thing to come across.
What did OP type Conan as? I thought he was an ENTP
I hate ST talk
I second this 100000%
Estp's are cool
I remember that under the old dictator of Malawi, I had to get a haircut to visit the country. The border guards were very thorough. They had men wearing caps remove their caps in case they were hiding long hair underneath.
Oh god that clip is my every day nightmare right now. Sensors everywhere, the person I dated was ESTJ, very annoying questions and adherence to practical and “closed system” minutia.
As an INFJ that worked under an ESTJ boss, this clip gave me ptsd 😂
Literally everything the NF said was just like scribbles on paper
as an ENTJ my reaction was same as that woman 😂
ENFP CHECKING IN 😬
Zoom zoom Consume 🔥❤️
Can you make a video of an INFJ Alpha state and how that can be navigated? I've recently been able to master my Ti on ownit's own, I'm 24 years old and am moving toward Se more, and would love some angles. I'm watching Se leads but what say you?
His answer at the end was even too abstracted for me. It was like he was describing the container that an answer might go in on this topic, but not really answering. Maybe his scars are personal and he was diverting from them, fair enough.
Fr. Also, from my own personal experience losing a parent at a very young age in a tragic way, yes it does impact you a LOT and it is very PAINFUL. BUT I think for things like artistic endeavors and endeavors of passion, you don’t really… like… INTERNALLY you don’t really give too much credit to that trauma?? like myself personally despite losing my parent at a young age like the INFJ in the video I didn’t think about it when accomplishing my passions and goals LOL. so while yes it most certainly changed him and shaped apart of his world, i dont think it was conscious enough for him to have enough information to answer with. does that make sense? It’s like… by the time you’re old enough to be pursuing a career and stuff, you’re not really thinking about the parent you lost before you graduated middle school. so even though it subconsciously and indirectly has an impact on your life, it’s not something that you can speak on and voice easily cause it wasn’t all that ACTIVE in the forefront of your MIND all those years, while you were discovering your passions and building on your goals. so when you get asked that question it’s like.. I know there’s an answer here but I haven’t even thought about it that much yet LOL
My sister-in-law is an estj and she looks like this whenever my dad (infj) and wife (ENFP) talk. Like... what on god’s green earth are you babbling about? Can’t lie... I’m on team estj here
Hahaha. I wish I had INFJ and ENFP parents and peeps growing up, tho.
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson they are fun to talk with, I agree. I wouldn’t have married one if I couldn’t handle it. But I do appreciate ESTJ cutting them off when it gets TOO far gone into the murky hypothetical nothingness. (I’m an ESFP, so you’d probably expect me to agree with estj here, haha)
Wow these are really fun to watch actually lol.
Hey Dave and Shannon! Please put Yanis Varoufakis in one of your videos! He’s a fantastic INTJ allegedly 😁
Next video: ESTJ(other 50% gatherer) vs ESFP
I am INTJ who thought my friend is ESFP because i forgot demon saviour concept
THE FACE HAHAHA
(Infj) As ridiculous as Ni can appear and as impractical as it can be at times (you can't always share it with ppl, you can be damned for "knowing" something.. if that makes sense.. but then avoid the Se.. and not.. know 😂)
Si is the much more practical one to have in order to function in society I think, I think ISFJs fit in a lot better and function much better than many INFJs do for example.. however Si, is the most curious of all the functions to me because I can see how when paired with ugly beliefs it's Ironically the most damaging function at times. It just wants everything the same.. and things and ppl wear out.. Si can love money but it's not necessarily sustainable.. it depends on the person's values but it's all about its own internal perspective it seems rather than bigger picture and maybe not realising or rather, acknowledging how things can play out.
(Self-typed Si/Ti) I agree with you, but I think a bit what you said about Si applies to all introverted functions. If they're pointed in the wrong direction, everything goes wrong, because they're so focused and personal. I see this in Ni people, for instance, they're often absolutely sure about their worldviews and they see the same pattern everywhere but they close their eyes when the pattern don't align to the facts. With Ti I see the same thing, they have their truth, the things they already proved to themselves, things that work for them, but they don't look at the other people to check if these things are valuable to everyone. Same thing to Fi with their personal values...
Ok confusing as a first timer watching your video because I see a clip of a man and woman and the title is infj and estj and I think I'm going to see the difference in relationship between these two yet I see interviews with an actor with no idea who is suppose to have what personality. Maybe change the title? I'm so confused.
Is NF sleep Ni-Fi still NF talk?
Why do I relate to both ? I got two results one was INFJ in my teenages and ESTJ-A in my 30's. I'm an ambivert. And I can be either very organized either very clumsy. Can anybody explain this ?
Could you tell me what are the shows called for my esl practice?
LOL, 😅, NF is like, if you get it then well done, if not, come up with another question. I'll keep on annoying you.
I don't get what he's saying either :-). NF just doesn't resonate with me.
That's the story of my life. Apparently other types have a hard time getting what we're trying to say.
@@oterysrhaegan645 I get it intellectually I just don't care! I either zone out to the wishy-washyness or begin to feel repulsed by the feelings! If you could just state things clearly and concisely people would probably inquire more either out of curiosity or politeness, instead NFs makes you feel like you're at a new-age convention on mars.
I found it pretty easy to understand (INTP). He's talking about how the death of his father, made him realize the complexity and chaotic nature of that world and how that shift in perspective helped him in the arts and performance.
Ti/Fe can get a bit rambly, I give you that.
@@JesterOfDestiny You are not here to cause trouble, are you?
Your recap of what he said is much easier to follow than what he actually said. Because that was all over the place.
@@oscarl.3563 On the other hand, notice that it goes both ways and NFs would feel the same way about you. In fact, it explains why there is so much miscommunication in the world.
To NFs, what matters is what they learnt, what was the lesson. Details and sensory for them are not important and they will zone out when you give them too many, because if there is no reason for them to learn the details, why would they? In their mind they want to understand you, not what you went through. They want skip what is useless to them, and learn something from your experience. To NFs, STs can sound like they are reading a report, which feels superficial to them and devoid of any meaning.
Btw, I am not an NF, just explaining their point of view.
Okay so in estj the J is equivalent to Te right? But then why isn't the E equivalent to Se?? Like what is it with the way these personalities are named! It's really pissing me I can't wrap my head around it
In Extraverted types, (E Types), their dominant/leading functions are Extraverted; In I types, it’s the opposite. Also, the J-P dichotomy tells us the first Extraverted function (dominant if you’re an Extravert, auxiliary if you’re an Introvert). So if you’re a P type, your first Extraverted function is perceiving/observing, and if you’re a J type, your first is judging/deciding.
The two forms of Perceiving/Observing are Sensing (S) and Intuiting (N), so if you’re a P type and an S Type, for example, that means your first Extraverted function is Se.
If you’re a J type and and Thinking (T) type, your first Extraverted function will be Te.
So in the case of ESTJ, we see that they are Extraverted and a Judging type. So their lead function will be an Extraverted, deciding function, and in their case, that means Te, since they are a thinking type.
In the INFJ’s case, they are Introverted, as well as a Judging type. So their Auxiliary function will be deciding and Extraverted. This means they will have Auxiliary Fe since they are feelers.
Hope that helps.
@@RafaelAndNavid nah bro! Ive concluded im dumb and mbti isnt for me
That's how us NF talk lol.
I wonder what’s Conan’s type
Can you do a video on infj fears.
Isn't that first clip a Si thing though?
I could see that but he said he hoards basically everything whereas if it was Si it would probably be more like hoarding specific things that are useful/important to him
What was Conan typed as by Shave?
Who's Shave? ;)
@@dimivs1 Shannon + Dave = Shave
It's an inside joke lol. Okay i just notice that wink after the question mark am i'm getting whoooshhhhed?
I got it only after I've sent the comment.. XD
I saw Fe/Ne
I don't think they typed him, but he seems fairly E**J high play energy to me.
Won’t he have a heart attack for talking too fast
What’s so funny reading a book?
Who's the lady?
Does anyone know what's his exact type?
He is an INFJ. Leave it at that.
@@sandradibiaso7316 thanks
ESTJs...the worst
I feel you. I can deal with just about every other type with relative ease, but ESTJs set my teeth on edge and I have to gather ALLLL my (very limited) patience to deal with what feels (to ME) as their pedantic plodding through organized and intricate details. Don't get me wrong... I find their input valuable... but I despise doing it.
Being an ESTJ and in the typology community is the worst for sure
Idk, they get shit done 🤷🏻♀️ (though I’m an INTJ so that that as you will, lol)
@@Mayakran Who cares if someone gets their own egoic agenda shit done or not!
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson I have a lot of respect for ExxJs in general. With a tribe first mentality, trying to understand others and have others understand them is top priority. It's those connections that make us human. Please don't be hatin' on someone you do not know personally and thoroughly. I hope y'all are having a good day!
I don't find listening to his talk difficult or hard to follow. He's actually very interesting. But SeTi is very different that SiTe.
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LMAO 🤣
IM EARLY
Hello Early, Nice to meet you.
Lol x 11100000000n
Some FE advice here, back away from the camera, a bit, and stop laughing so much. It’s just weird. Also, pick clips from non d-bags.