RIP Jade Bot, you will be missed...
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The April 16 patch brought a lot of new exciting changes to Guild Wars 2: class balance changes, the cosmetic inspect option, and overall "improvements" to the Jade Bot Protocols.
Well... they would be improvements, if not for one tiny change.
They not only fixed the internal cooldown on Jade Offensive and Defensive Overcharge, which give you every single boon in the game when entering combat, but increased it to 90 seconds. As it stand right now, you're lucky to get 10 seconds of buffs, for the next 90 seconds.
On paper this might look like an okay decision, but it translates horrendously when it comes to actual gameplay. Fear not, though, as I have been coming up with ways to alleviate the need for these protocols, and even keeping some of the builds that heavily relied on them intact.
00:00 Intro
00:30 The issue
00:57 The solution
01:46 Relic of the Cavalier
02:33 Gear and Stats
03:37 The one-liner
03:45 Cheap gear
04:23 Food and Utilities
04:41 Outro
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Getting jadebot buffs was annoying and I wasn't doing that even with good benefits.
I am glad that its not some stupid meta I would be forced to follow.
It was bad idea from the beginning and I hate jadebot battery system.
Truth.
Amen
Why are you glad it's gone? It's not like you were ever forced to interact with this system. Once in combat it made barely any diffrence anyway.
@@mayam.3240 no longer the feeling was of missed opportunity
@@procerator Ah, so just a personal fomo issue. Ye, understandable. ;) I personally worked around that by playing boondps classes. Also because of the very limited nature of the protocols. ;)
Anet just said they'd revert the changes back to 30 seconds per proc, instead of 90 seconds.
If they meant the internal cooldown, that was a lie by anet - it NEVER had an internal cooldown before the nerf. I know cos I used to proc it by falling off my skyscale at a high enough distance to trigger fall damage every 3 seconds to get 25 might off the protocol when I felt like it.
and that was the issue. They had claimed it to have 30 seconds icd prior in the patch notes. Which in reality was 30ms.
@@StashmyashHonestly I would rather they be honest and say what the actual reason for the nerf is. If it's to reduce the possible server lag issues it caused (giving all boons every 30ms would probably cause server issues over time, especially if a lot of people took it), just say it upfront. I think people would understand.
@@Somebody374-bv8cd the fix was to nerf ppl from prestacking boons thru fall damage or tonics that put you in combat.
Someone linked me the thread, guess I gotta make an update vid in a couple of days when the new patch hits.
Small tip - you can get full set of stat-selectable exotic armor from Verdant Brink.
wont be able to get chest unless you do the Meta
@@cambeul Well, you need to farm at least 2000 map currency. The most efficient way to do that is to run the meta. SO I see no issues with this.
it can actually be faster to do world v world like he said in the video and you can also be working towards other nice things like a gift of battle
True, good for anyone who wants to avoid WvW! Or simply accumulated the map currency over time.
@@user-th1he5zv7u I`ve been forced to play WvW for Gift of Battle and I would never wish my enemy to participate in that mode.
in the corresponding "bug" thread Rubi said that they will buff it to 30s with the next game build
Someone linked it to me, guess I gotta make an update video rather soon (when the next build goes live).
Ty for mentioning it here too!
It should still go back to 0s since it wasn't harming anything. Even through it's better than nothing ofc.
@@mayam.3240 yeah i miss the perma quick for gathering or general interaction for non free or mechanic bound quick specs
well the static stat boost from protocols are still nice i guess :D 150 stat is noting to scoff at.
Very true! Once you've gotten most gear, almost mandatory to have even, if you ask me.
Congrats on getting all of the legendary armor sets. I made light armor, but haven't even thought about the others yet. haha
I think one armor weight would've been enough for me, but my stubbornness decided otherwise :)
Now, after a few weeks without the protocols I noticed that it did spoiled some fun I had in open world. Not because I was depending on them. 90% of the time I run boondps builds in open world, so even before the nerf I mostly didn't take them since I hated to pay attention not to travel to Mistlock, guild hall etc. No big deal. But in these 10% when I used them (for example map completion on tiny alts or rift farming) they feel REALLY. And they are not just useless. I find myself even actively avoiding them now because it's sooo annoying being hit all the time by some trash mob and then not being able to engage where you would actually need them. As I said I never needed the protocols, but they were so fun to use. Since they are gone the grindy stuff feels really like a slog.
The protocols might have been bugged with 0s CD, but in my oppinion it was absolutly in line with all the other QoL stuff anet is giving us. It was absolutly brilliant design because it used to be both super strong, but very limited at the same time - so it was never gamebreaking.
What many people forget is that all you got was a short boost once you enter combat. This only helps ONLY you on trash and grindy content. Once you entered combat all you had were max 30s boons, that's basically nothing. Also it's strictly limited to open world.
The Dragon's End meta is the perfect example. The boonbursts made the loooong, boring part far more enjoyable while they did not matter once you reached Soo-Won.
There are many people defending the nerf, but I still wait to hear ANY valid argument against them. Yes, it's strong, but you can apply the same criticism to a lot of QoL mechanics in the game like dodging-invulnerability, mounts, etc.
Please, if any of you feel otherwise, please challenge me on my oppinion. Where have the protocols as they were any gamebreaking or a net negative for the game?
Don't get me wrong. It's not the end of the world. I'm just sad to see an absolutly brilliant mechanic butchered. Luckily the game is sandboxy enough, so I can simply ignore most of the grindy parts I dislike doing. Rift farming for example. 🤷♀Also I'm experienced enough pick the right classes and builds to get the stuff done I want. Anyway, ... I would like to see the protocols return or making them even more accessable since they mostly benefit less experienced players and maybe demonstrate to them why they SHOULD care about buffs in general instead of ignoring them.😮💨
I agree that the 0s ICD was fine. Metas weren't affected any more than they are now, since you're mostly in combat during the actual event.
Gathering didn't really get "broken" on specs without perma-quickness, because enough boon duration, the one quickness ability most have access to and enough boon duration takes care of everything. Which leaves mob farming, and that is protected by the Diminishing Returns mechanic. So there's really no good reason to not put it back at 0s. But I'm glad they at least are willing to admit 90s was too much, and they'll revert it back to 30 when the next build goes live.
@@phandrel Oh, you are right, even farming mobs is not an issue because DR prevent the abuse. 👍
Anet doing Anet things...
Consistently inconsistent :D
Been recently running a Spellbreaker with full Deviners armor staff - dagger/pistol + assassins accessories.
It's lots of fun in groups / wvw roaming / solo farming / metas. It's not going to pad damage meters in instance content, but I just take Mesmer Swiss Army knife for that.
I feel like warrior staff is a bit of a sleeper weapon. It doesn't perform great in protracted fights (DPS wise, that is), but the burst + staff 2 & 4 is usually enough to take care of normal enemies. Makes it a great weapon for farming, imo.
TBH I love the new changes on the JadeBots since I basically skipped them altogether at some points. I am not a fan of constantly buffed stuff procing.
It does feel much less bad to not use them, indeed. I haven't touched them since the patch myself.
They will apparently be reverting them back to 30s ICD (not the bugged version before), so I could see some uses for them, without pigeonholing everyone into stacking them.
Ever since they changed it I stopped using it all together.
It's nice that a feature that's useless now can be stacked up so fast now.
The faster stacking feels like a kick to the shin, indeed. They will apparently revert them back to 30 seconds ICD, though.
Not as OP as before, but I can live with that.
@@phandrel To be honest... The design to only apply it only when entering combat was limiting enough. Even if you stack the boons to 30s it's nothing but a starting burst for anything more than a elite mob.🤷♀ Considering it's also strictly limited to open world the nerf is still a mistake.
@@mayam.3240 Oh, I completely agree. 30 is better than we have now, but I can't see how 0 actively harms the game. All specs have ways of getting perma quickness for gathering, the burst at the start of meta events will still be the exact same as well.
the update is balanced , cus this give the classes elites more functions specific for each game mode ... but if you apply all boons to all classes you won't feel any difference between classes ( then the game will be boring )
As people have mentioned, they'll revert it back to 30 seconds. That's a good middle ground, in my opinion, as you can get the jade bot protocol uptime to around 30% that way. The 90 seconds kind of felt like they might just as well forgo them, so I'm happy ANet changed their train of thought.
I've been waiting for you to start streaming for a long time, and now that you've started, I've been in GW2 rehab for a few weeks... 😢
I intend to stick around for a long long time, though :) Hope you're doing well in the meantime!
A man after my own heart when it comes to being determined to use the unloved stat types :)
They're there for a reason, and that reason is us! :D
And you lose the protocols anytime you enter your story instances.
True! They really prevent abusing the protocols with them being removed any time they give a significant advantage.
If it was so terrible why did it take them 2 years to nerf it? They should have expanded the duration or made it permanent when you have a jade bot and left buffs and bonuses alone, it's only open world.
I honestly can't find a good reason why a nerf would be warranted. It mainly benefited players going in and out of combat, and that's it.
Meta events would still be influenced the same by the current or previous versions, as you're basically stuck in combat for most meta events.
Gathering with quickness is possible on every spec with some creative workarounds. So the only thing I can think about is mob farming, and there's DR to curb abusing that.
@@phandrel It feels like this change was done by a person, who wasn't aware of the protocol's mechanics. Like they were thinking it keeps applying the boons every x seconds during combat. In that case it would have been gamebreaking indeed. But that's how it's never been. Considering they even expanded this feature shortly after EoD realeased I was assuming they were aware of how it worked.
they will revert the change as some have already pointed out... just bad timing for this vid
Yeah, indeed. Thanks, though! It'll revert back to 30 seconds, so boon duration, etc. will still be relevant. We won't be getting the bugged version anymore, which activated every time we entered combat. I will be making an update video when the next build goes live, though.
Unpopular opinion:
Protocols are for the extra 600(!) permanent stats (150 Power, Condition Damage, Toughness, Vitality) for its duration. The boons you get are just icing.
True, those are the main attraction, especially since they persist wherever you go/whatever you do.
Although, I have to admit that a lot of less than viable builds were possible in the open world with all of those boons, and I kinda liked it
Losing the protocol buffs when you use your bastion/mistlock pass is so stupid! It pisses me off that Ive paid for it and it has this stupid negative effect. Its supposed to be a convenience...
Thousand Seas works. So do all the teleport scrolls from Living Story. But yes, I agree, passes shouldn't remove the buff, Neither should guild halls.
One of the main reasons I moved to Thousand Seas as well, hated losing those buffs every time I want to do a quick bank/tp/craft check.
This was a horrible change.
This was a good change. Personally I would remove jade bot buffs from the game completely.
@@procerator I don't play the game where you need to have them, so if this change stays, there's no point in even trying to get them.
@@ChaiLatte13 I personally didn’t take them before because they were absolutely broken before. Having every boom in the entire game on top of getting extra stats was just waaaay too strong. It made skills, abilities or traits that gave boons absolutely irrelevant. I would have liked that they removed the boons altogether but that’s just me. I might actually consider taking them now for the extra toughness and vitality because I tend to run squisher builds and the extra stats help a lot
@@proceratorI agree
I disliked the change as well. I wouldn't mind their OP version if they were either confined to EoD, or certain parts of the game, but ANet chose to implement them everywhere.
30 seconds I could very well live with, though. That's about 30% uptime if you run some boon duration and fights don't last too long.
Bro makes a video about last month's patch now 💀
Kept getting a lot of questions, and I had fun making it. So win-win :P
Click bait.
I always forgot to get jade protocol things so this doesn't affect me. Sorry to those it does tho.
Honestly, saves a lot of headaches if you skip them :) All professions do have builds that aren't reliant on them either though, so there's always an alternative.