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Porsche Taycan 4S 70mph Highway Range Test
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2020
- We are testing the 2020 Porsche Taycan 4S, as we do with every EV, in our 70-mph highway loop-style range test! How far does it go? Find out in this video.
Appreciate the mileage note when you exited the freeway. Man, what an impressive distance the Taycan can go!
I am truly amazed at the range of this Porsche! Great video, thanks so much for sharing.
Best range test I've ever seen! Man, did you ever call it close! You literally squeezed every single electron out of that battery.
You guys are one of the best EV channel on youtube, do keep up these amazing videos and thx you.
What an amazing video. Not only did u drive for many hours and also took the risk of getting stranded with a dead battery. Kudos to you. Thanks for the video. I hope u get millions of views.
I’m so glad the Taycan has an amazing range. German made cars are just something else. Nothing compares.
Correct me if I’m wrong, Porsche advertises 205 miles and Tesla model Y 326 miles. I’ve seen model Y tests and it goes about 250 miles and this goes 277. Seems like a huge misleading advertising by Tesla.
Somehow Teslas all seem to significantly underperform their EPA rating, and the Taycans all exceed theirs by more than 30%. WLTP seems to be a bit more realistic across all manufacturers from what I've seen.
Europeans tend to understate their statistics such as 0-60 unlike American manufacturers so I’m not surprised that the Taycan managed that
I'm quite impress. That's a major accomplishment for the Taycan. Wow. I'm very impressed.
The car is in ECO mode. 0 to 60 over 9 seconds. It is not a Taycan in that mode.
@@teknikbil The masses don t need to flex on 6 - 60. This car still can maintain high speed on road while keeping good range.
I test drove the Taycan 4s just a week ago and have to say that it made a convert out of me, not for environmental reasons but for the shear power, the way the power develops and the amazing technology behind it, and I never thought I’d say that, ever!
i felt the same about the tesla i drove. If the tycan and teslas are the beginning of what EVs have in store i cant wait. I never knew driving could be so fun , the handling and control are amazing. plus the idea of plugging in at home is super amazing
I own an I-Pace. Nice car, very happy with it. But curiosity got the best of me and I test drove the Taycan 4S. I was floored. Wow. Fast, for such a heavy car it handles like a dream, and the range blew me away. When they told me 300 with the 20inch, I thought no way. But it's true.
Just ordered mine...
Curious. What makes people "floored" by rapid acceleration? In my case I only get stomach churn by rapid acceleration. LOL
This range test included the $7500 Cdn option for the larger 93 kw battery. The standard battery comes in at 79.2 kw. More should have been discussed about these options in your video.
Fantastic test 👍
Great test Kyle. Happy to finally see you driving the Taycan. I just got one a week ago and it is amazing. I have the 20" 285mm rear tires vs the 21" 305mm that you ran on. I saw 250+ range coming back from Los Angeles in normal mode and HVAC. Not a controlled test as it was not a loop. I love the charging speed vs my Bolt. 😂
Congrats on your Taycan! My interest in buying was only a 3/10 until I test drove it, now it's a 7/10!
From a volt to a tycan?? Damn rags to riches lol
@@elchucapablas getting a Taycan solves any thoughts of riches. 😉
nervous looking up to the wheels. so huge yet so thin tyres. not for my kind of road here. 5k baby. great video guys.
Great review. Thanks.
That is amazing range, fantastic car.
It really is! - Kyle
but no one is driving like that. 150-200 miles is max for normal everyday use
MP just wastes time being a pointlessly ranting fanboy.... SMH...
@@michal.laskowski. I don't know many that drive 200+ miles through lights and traffic, this test is for 'road tripping'. The EPA figure is staggeringly inaccurate as the 2nd gear doesn't kick in until 60 MPH.
@@markplott4820 Porsche is a luxury brand, you can't compare sales numbers with a non luxury brand... they prefer less units with more profit margin.
Great test and details, I love how you mention miles per kilowatt, that's a statistic that seems to be hidden when companies state the range.
Range is exactly equal to kilowatt capacity, its like a larger gas tank in a guzzler but that needs to be listed like MPG.
Electric cars need to have EPA window stickers for miles per kilowatt not just range.
My 2015 Smart car gets 3.5 mpkw
My 2017 Chevy Volt gets 5.8mpkw
Let’s run it again with the smallest tires / Aero wheels. Would be interesting to see if range difference is more than 5%.
We will! - Kyle
Wonder if it can hit 300 miles with the base wheels under the same conditions!
I’m guessing a range difference of more than 10% with the 19 inch aero wheels. Great test!
With the standard tires and rims you make 580 km at 120 km /h .
@@InsideEVsUS awesome Kyle. Brilliant channel just found it now. Subscribing
Thx for sharing Kyle, I’m thinking of buying one, how would you compare it to the model s?
It looks an impressive car.
Impressive car and an amazing run, obviously not doing what that beast was designed for but great to know nonetheless. :) (I'm a mid tier racer of the 911 GT3 Cup in iRacing; wish I could afford the Taycan, alas..).
Pretty darned risky to run it out whilst still on a public road though - you just never know! Stay safe.
Curious to see how long it takes to charge back to 100. The German cars seem to have great charging curves. That range with those huge wheels is incredible.
Video coming soon on that! Insanely fast
@@markplott4820 what model do you have? That’s quite a bit faster than I’ve seen. In my experience those charging speeds only last for a brief time then throttle back considerably. Maybe 80% in 20-25 minutes.
@@markplott4820 and Taycan needs 21mins from 0 to 80%, which can be found on several Videos already.
@@markplott4820 Does Elon pay you for this slobber job you're giving him in the comments or are you a volunteer Branch Elonian?
@@InsideEVsUS Curious to see your test of its heat pump :)
Thanks for the upload. Obviously the car can easily do 300 miles if the aircon wasn't on and the car was driven at a lower mph and if regen braking was used a lot!!
And the wheels.. there are three stock options, all staggered setups; 265/305 R21, 245/285 R20 or 225/275 R19 (for the 4S without the Performance brakes only.)
Regen would not help at any speed. There is no way to recover 100% of the kinetic energy, let alone more than 100% (implied by the suggestion that regen would help).
The Taycan can do 400 miles. Here’s the Taycan 4S doing 580 km. (360 miles) at 90 kph (56 mph) constant speed, in a loop with the same start/end point. AC is ON and the outside temp is around 27 C (81 F), in sunshine. Driving at night in slightly colder weather, about 22 C (72 F) is even more optimal IMO. This is with the smallest stock wheels. These are still 275 wide on the rear axle.. czcams.com/video/VB24iJbusgQ/video.html
NOTE! The pressure used here is about 25% lower than recommended by certain other EV manufacturers, that focus more on range, than driving dynamics, safety and comfort.
When you press the brake pedal in a Taycan, it slows down using regen. (unless you hit the pedal really hard)
The brakes are also a factor. The steel brakes are heavier than the carbon ceramics and I bet they are also heavier than the tungsten carbide brakes that come as standard on the Turbo. The Turbo S has the widest tires but the lightest brakes.
So in freezing weather at 70mph, it should actually get the EPA range. So EPA is worst case scenario, minimum range?
For trips like this, EPA etc must start referring to real world experience and give 3 readings, city, tour and mixed driving.
EPA should have 3 readings already? The problem is that there’s something seriously wrong with the whole testing regime. Use WLTP instead, to compare different EVs. All you have to know is that you have to subtract 10-20% for motorway and 10-20% for cold/wet/windy driving conditions. And always take tire width into consideration. For this not to become to complex, most EVs have a GOM (Guess’o Meter) that will give you a good estimate of your current range based on your recent driving, outside temperature etc. Even speed limits and elevation will be taken into consideration if you enter a destination in the navigation, so that the car knows where you’re going. In some cars even the weather forecast. 🙂 I also recommend www.abetterrouteplanner.com
@@omelvold All of them, EPA, WTLP etc should have 3 test cycles because there are 3 types of driver. As a mainly city driver myself, i'd prefer a more accurate city range as that will cover 95% on my journeys. People who drive long distances will want the trip range.
@@rtfazeberdee3519
the EPA tests every car the same way under the same criteria so it does give you a way to compare one vehicle to another which is the primary purpose of the EPA range. Or fuel economy.
He mentioned that part of their testing criteria is key off and key back on and doing the test in whatever mode the card defaults to when you turn it on, to me that seems absolutely fair because most people are going to end up driving the vehicle in that mode.
if anything the EPA rated range on electric vehicles normally has been far more accurate to real-world use than the wltp test which always seems to be overstated.
This Porsche is really the first one that we've seen that seems to be the other way around where the EPA range is much lower than what most people seem to be getting.
Love this video!!!!
I was hoping I'd find a chart / spreadsheet of all of your other 70 MPH tests - but I can't seem to find it. Similar to what you have (Google docs, I think) with your 1 lap videos.
Thanks for all you do & be careful!!!!
We are working on that! Post will be up soon with all the nerdy data - Kyle
@@InsideEVsUS
This is completely off topic..
I'm watching this review on a 4K 55inch tv and the footage of you inside the car explaining the range is sharp. I see no visible sun damage on your face and neck.
How old are you? You have the skin of a teenager.. Better wear that sunblock to preserve that youth!
19:20 Yes, when you hit 0, it shuts off. Then you switch off, switch on, and you can drive to a safe location near by in turtle mode! Not a burst of energy, goes at least 1km
I will buy it when I'm 85 years old, so I can drive it 50 mph for better range
Bjorn get 360 miles with Taycan 4S 95 kWh (mind you it has more buffer than Model S). Wheel and tyres do affect greatly because Taycan has some wheel option to choose and it varies quite significant to efficiency (of course 310 tyres/wheels won't do as efficient as 275)
Didn't Bjorn also drive it at like 90km/h? (56mph)?
@@ChrisErwood yes, all cars he tested went through 90 and 120 km/h
Might I also suggest adding some tests at other speeds; ala Bjorn's slow speed test + fast speed test, rather than spending 20 minutes on just the 70 mph test? Using some of that time to throw in a 65 mph and 80 mph test would definitely be interesting. A lot of people cruise along at 80 mph when the speed limit is 70. It'd show the impacts of the CdA on the vehicle at higher speeds and would make it more worthwhile to watch the whole video. You could also mention things like high speed stability, road noise, pedal feel, and passing power at high speed, etc...
Kyle, I respect your fair EV coverage... but why aren't you writing your own articles on insideEVs or doing these tests on your own youtube channel and creating your own EV coverage site? Sorry, but I refuse to click on any articles from IEV's Steven Loveday who's showing rampant company favoritism by posting ~100 articles a month with between 70-80 of them having "Tesla" in the headline. No, that isn't an exaggeration, I counted his articles for September / October. Annualized, that's 840 - 960 articles per year with Tesla in the headline from just this one IEVs writer. If that isn't Tesla bias and shilling, then I don't know what is. We need site options outside of IEVs and Teslectrek, and the IEVs / Motor1 ad money grab has gotten ridiculous. Build an EV site, and bring Tom with you! I'd definitely check that out! ;)
IEVs site is now absolutely *flooded* with ads. I swear the number of ads has tripled over the past few months. Clicking the comments button doesn't take you to the comments section, it takes you to a screen full of ads. (Protip: click the comment icon twice to go to the comments section directly) I certainly noticed a lot of video ads in this 20 minute video. That silliness makes me want to skip the video and just jump to the end for the results.
That's impressive range for the type car it is.
@@markplott4820 Not in terms of handling and general feeling. The Taycan is quicker, handles better, rides better, is quieter and looks better.
@@markplott4820 definitely not as fun to drive
That's pretty good 👍
Great test for an amaaazing car! Simply the best!
Coming from an RC Background working with LiPo batteries, i would never feel good about bringing the battery down to more than 10-20% - as they degrade very quickly by doing so 😅👍🏼 but there is probably some good overhead on these cars and the battery Technology might also differ quite some.
Yes that is correct. Many new EV owners do not know that you do not want to run the battery below 20% on a routine basis without eventually degrading the battery. Also you do not want to charge above 80-90% on a daily basis. So when you see the EPA range, substract 20-40% from the max reported range which is based off 100% charge. Until EV can get the distance significantly more I do not foresee a mass EV adaption by a majority of drivers.
Sorry if I missed, but did this have the battery performance plus add on?
Hi Kyle,
How are the US ranges calculated? As far as I am aware Porsche rate the Taycan 4S as a 300 mile range car. This beats the Jaguar iPace by a few miles, but I was shocked to see that by US calculations the iPace is only rated for 225 miles. Really? With such a large battery? My neighbour regularly gets around 300 miles from his iPace and would actually find it difficult to only achieve 225 miles. I really wonder how the range is calculated in the US. Keep up the good work - luv your tests!
There is some kind of trend here: you should look at WLTP for European EVs, because that is more accurate than EPA
@@muhammadirfanataulawal7630
Thanks Iran- seems like the only accurate mileage is for Teslas!
Great test Kyle - Question why EV will not give you a power cap -- like Truckers when you drive more than X -hrs.. So when you get to 1% it slows down in speed and all features are turn off
Sliver Trick R1: Apparently that's a software decision. I've seen range tests from other EV's, where that's more how they behave, and continue to slowly move after a range of zero for several miles.
How about a test in normal non "ECO" mode and at normal suspension height?
If you ever owned any Porsche you would know that they underreport very often. 0-60, hp, and torque and now range too. That can't be said for just about any other brand. 580km (362.5m) range has been reported for the taycan 4S albeit at 90kph/56mph and 425km/266m at 120kph/75mph. it was spec'd out with the narowest tires available though. Check out that video! It can be seen here @ Many other videos show the same underreported range. (@)
It is great this car has more range than estimated. In any case, ""At Porsche, we'll certainly never have the goal of being world range champions. Our focus is on performance coupled wiht a range that is suitable for everyday use." - official statement from Porsche ( @)
So those of you complaining about the Taycan's range, chill. This car is made for performance, not specifically range.
Great video! Sub'd
When is the hot lap?
very impressive.
Can you try a range test with the Turbo S. I'm considering one.
5:16 The 2 speed gearbox has another advantage. It can decouple the rear wheels from the engine. That allows to use super efficient electric motors front and back. So if you cruise on a highway the car only uses the front motor.
How is that efficient when your essentially lugging dead weight of the rear motor and the transmission since only the front motor is running? Why not just have a single motor in the first place?
For once, a car that gets closer to WLTP than EPA estimate
The EPA range rating system should be scrapped. It’s a threat to the EV adaptation globally, especially in the US. Even NEDC was better. Yes, it was far too optimistic - but it was equally so across brands.
@@omelvold It is not EPA is wrong. The Taycan is in ECO mode. So its 0 to 60 times is over 9 seconds. It is another car in this mode. If EPA tests is done in ECO mode then Taycan could not claim the performance specs.
@@teknikbil you're completely wrong. In ECO mode all you're limiting is top speed. I can accelerate as fast as in normal mode.
@@bihus Why is it so difficult to make a video of 0 tp 60 in eco mode? If it is not different then why ECO mode is not the default mode. I am willing to bet you cannot get the same 0 to 60 result in ECO mode if you are serious.
@@teknikbil my Taycan 4s is as fast in range (eco) mode as in normal mode. The difference in the eco mode is that the top speed is limited to 60mph, the ac is eco mode and the suspension is lowered. No change in acceleration at all
Thanks !
At the end it nearly gives me a heart attack. I too drive a 4S (love it) but never want to run out of battery in the middle of a street.
When are you going to test a 2020 4S with the uPdate to see how much more range it gets?
which battery was it. 7x o 93/?
Does "Turbo 4S" means AWD,..as in dual motors? Or, did the Taycan 4S also come with just one motor? I'm asking because there is a 2022 Taycan 4S for sale in my area and the dealer has it listed as "Powertrain number of motors: 1".
Performance battery plus?
Would have been left stranded with flat battery had radio, wipers, AC and headlights been on whilst driving. Perhaps retest at night would tease out more balanced result.
Do you know which speeds the ratios the rear gears and the front motor are optimized for?
Seems to be around 70 mph from what I've seen of the Taycan reviews, which is pretty good for most situations. Looks like you would have easily hit 300 miles with the smaller tires.
Does not matter. The car is in non-performance ECO mode. It is not a Taycan anymore. 0 to 60 is over 9 seconds.
Mehmet Akif Can you cite proof of this claim? I do not believe it. This would be performance similar to a Prius.
@@KyleBrightman The car has a top speed of 70mhp in "ECO" mode. This explains what "ECO" mode is. The rest is smoke and mirrors.
Mehmet Akif I asked you to cite sources because I have read just about every written article on the Taycan and listened to most audio and video recordings (both positive and critical). The owners manual states that launch control is disabled in Range mode and the speed is limited to 87 mph under normal conditions (although a kickdown mode is available when the throttle input is high enough that automatically overrides the speed limiter). I believe that the range mode also priorities FWD propulsion most of the time, but uses the rear motor when necessary (in the 2nd gear). Your lack of any proof discredits any statements you make.
@@KyleBrightman The fact that you admit a top speed of 87 mph in this so called "eco - range mode" makes my point. The car is "half powered" in this mode.
Hi, could you please do a range test mixture of hill climb and normal city drive with the Taycan 4s? Thank you...
LOL
So, do you have bladder of steel? Or a catheter bag?
Empty Sports Drink or Snapple bottle...:-)
For me personally, I'd avoid Tesla at this point because I intensely dislike their minimalist style aesthetics, perception of lower quality, and actual QA issues. However, I'd buy a Taycan. Goddamn, that's a nice car. I'd get mine in Volcano Gray. :). Nice job on the video!
Is it haveing long range pack ?
You are probably the only person who will ever drive a Taycan with 70 mph on a highway.
4:18 One of the best? It is flat out by a long stretch the best EV ever!
I'm lucky if I can get 200miles out of a 65L tank on my 2003 C4S, lol. Good thing that kind of cars are measured in smiles per mile and not miles per gallon.
I’d like to see the difference in normal vs eco mode in range.
The difference on this car is pretty substantial, because it lowers, adjusts the rear spoiler and possibly various air inlets and dampers, uses the high gear (this EV actually has two gears) and front motor only besides using AC Eco mode (there’s also a Eco Pro mode, don’t know what that does). I’ve seen about 10% improvement in other tests.
Yeah... and 0 to 60 time in eco mode. Can they give us that? It is cheating if you do range test in ECO mode and no mention of performance.
It's actually not that much based off people who've tested, driven and own it. I'm surprised the test was actually done in ECO range, though I'm sure that's how IEV's normally does it.
I think the Taycan does decouple the rear drive unit
Impressive range w/ those wide tires!
Guys, I love your videos but PLEASE get someone to master the audio properly! :)
We actually do have someone but it was a recording error that made the audio so bad, we corrected it best we could - Kyle
277.4 miles???
Presumably is the 93kWh battery?
Yes, the only offering in the US - Kyle
My brain tickled a bit when I realized this was Kyle from out of spec motoring!
This Tycan with small or big 93 kw battery?
Yeah, he should mention this. But , I guess it is 93kwh battery. Smaller battery can do around 212 miles at 120km/h.
@@ivand911 Thank you
Official statement from Porsche on the Taycan's range debacle. I can't paste video URLs for some reason but look for the video titled "Porsche Official Statement on Taycan Battery Range" on the DPCars channel.
Does the 4S also have 2 gears?
Yes
Both cars that use this J1 platform have the 2-speed transmission. The Audi E-tron GT will be the 2nd vehicle to use it.
It looks like you had the Village People greet you at the charging station!
Porsche: you get more than advertised
It’s pretty bang-on 200 miles (even in range mode) in winter weather (yay Ohio )
Doesn’t the range mode require 70 mph max? If so, screw your GPS. It would have gone +300 miles.
It obviously depends upon how you’re driving the car, and which mode the car is in. There is no set range on an electric car. If I’m driving in range mode I can routinely get around 260 miles out of a charge, whereas if I’m driving it in a sports car like fashion…
LOL
I would have rather seen the test without the air conditioning being on. I'm on the verge of the usable limit with the Taycan. In fact, they'll have to come up with a longer range (and 2 door) before I buy a Porsche EV. Thanks for doing the test though.
Mate you forgot to mention which battery it has...
Every car is over by 1 mph. This is done on purpose it’s not a faulty gauge.
Also -- This is the best EV because it weight is 5,000 lbs --that alone make it the best right
I love this car, but the range anxiety gives me nightmares
Great job getting the car back to the charger at 0%!
Its a little suspicious how the EPA rates the US made car so high, while they rate the German car so much lower.
He mentioned part of the reason. The EPA rule is that you turn the key off and turn the key on and they run the test in whatever mode the vehicle starts up in by default.
To me that totally seems fair.
But even when the before the Taycan became available for sale there were automotive journalists out ripping them around getting well over the EPA range.
Porsche could compensate for this by having the car automatically start up in eco mode or whatever. But I don't imagine most Porsche drivers would want to drive the car that way day in and day out.
@@kens97sto171 I would fault the EPA for this. Almost all ICE cars too have drive modes, and certain modes take up more gas than others. Those modes are selected by the user whenever they want the car to perform a certain way. Same goes for electric cars, if a user wants the most range possible they will turn on eco mode and thats the absolute maximum range possible. EPA should be measuring the maximum possible range of the car not the default it will give you if you just turn the key and go. Ignoring that, like you said even when reviewers drove the Turbo S without range in mind they were still getting well above the estimates, so the EPA Is doing something wrong here for sure.
@@Pabla98
I disagree with you about the modes. I think the EPA has it right. The car should be tested in whatever configuration it starts in automatically. The purpose of the EPA score is to tell consumers what mileage they can expect. you shouldn't have to put the car in a specific mode to get the result it should happen by default and that's why they do it that way.
The auto manufacturers know this and could certainly just program the car to start an eco mode and I'm sure some do. The thing is that the EPA numbers generally have been far more accurate to real-world numbers than WLTP or other types of tests, so I really don't want the EPA to change their testing procedures because generally speaking they're very accurate. The Porsche is the first one I can think of that seems way off.
Regardless it's a hell of a nice car.
@@kens97sto171 well the buyer can expect the most range in eco mode so why not test that? I think all ev owners including myself would like to know the farthest I can possibly go and not the range of the car when it’s in it’s normal mode.
@@Pabla98
Not everyone is technically savvy. I know a ton of people that don't know how to do anything in a car. how many people do you see driving around in brand new cars still holding their phone up to their ear because they haven't figured out how to hook up their phone to the Bluetooth in their new car? No the EPA has it right test the car as it is by default.
the problem for them is they have to use the same test for every vehicle so there has to be some standard test that they do. It would be nice if there was you know a subsection or something where they could give you that information. but this is the government we're talking about LOL can't expect too much.
Hopefully the etron GT has the same 400+ range but does not cost 150-200k
This is the Taycan 4s which doesn't cost anywhere near 150k.
@@ChrisErwood it does in Canada
@@sapientbudgie5652 nope, even in Canada the starting price is 119k CAD. 130ish with the larger battery and some basic options.
@@ChrisErwood base taycan 4s is 120k. When you put dynamic chassis, premium pack. Or even basic packages it’s 130k. Tax in Ontario is 13% = 146,900. Most will ad more options. Well over 150k for a 4S. You can add many more options to push it to 170k. Nobody buys a base car with no options. Etron GT will probably be a better buy and looks better IMO
@@sapientbudgie5652 Aaaah see I'm from the UK, I'm not used to sales tax getting added on top of the sticker price.
None is talking about the weather. Weather affects batteries a lot and he’s testing out here in dandy ass weather
19 inch are no " baby wheels " .
277.9 miles from a 83.7 kWh battery. So if it had the same usable capacity as the Tesla Model S long range of 95 kWh it would be around 302 miles of range. Not bad for something that's more of a 2+2 sports car where economy isn't really up the list of importance. Not too far behind the Tesla so it's really only battery tech differences for the range, couple more iterations of updates and it will likely be on par or ahead. Z Germans are coming.
With the 19 inch wheels I know one guy driving 360 miles with the Taycan 4S
A lot of strange EVs in that place I see....
277,9 miles
I appreciate you use this range test the same for all cars. But this car will never be driven like this, other family cars will. Would be interesting to see how efficient cars will be for the way they will be driven in the real world. This in a interesting test but unrealistic, you will be lucky to get 220 miles in the real world.
Realistically can complete around four laps at Nurburgring at top speed (but most of us won't survive the first one if we put the car at the speed that can handle at that track).
huggybear: In my world, tickets and points are a thing. In my world, cops notice sporty cars more, follow them more, and are more likely to give you a ticket if you're blatantly speeding.
Whether rich or not, things like traffic school are a hassle. So unless you have a track to drive on, I'm not buying your implied claim that everyone with a Porsche can drive like a speed demon because the car COULD go very fast.
Really don't understand why they are selling the Taycan with a standard battery option... makes no sense for a EV to shave off miles.
8:32. Maybe I misunderstood your statement, but how does 270 miles in your test make it a lot more than Model 3 and Model S? Model 3 is 322 miles and Model S is 403 miles. Anyway, 4+ hours of driving between charges is a lot. Most people would need to stop for 30 minutes or so anyway after driving that long.
Real world tests show the Tesla's overestimate thier range which is in contrast to European manufacturers which tend to underestimate thier numbers
@@sazer423 I thought Tesla (and everyone) states the range that the EPA publishes. They can’t just make up their own number, can they?
@@lemongavine EPA and WLTP are figures companies can't fudge but the figures should be taken with a pinch of salt. Both of they're methodologies claim to simulate real world driving without actually taking them on the road and the flaws in thier testing are clear to see. These agencies can differ drastically with each other and also to on the road tests, it's not uncommon for them to be over 25% off just from each other. This is just for range the other performance figures which are unregulated are even more laughable
@@lemongavine Manufacturers submit numbers to the EPA, not the other way around: www.caranddriver.com/features/a33824052/adjustment-factor-tesla-uses-for-big-epa-range-numbers/
No they don't.
Even cruising at 90mph you get more than 200 miles...
It seems pretty loud on the highway for such an expensive car.
There is an option for double glazed windows. he stated the car has the standard windows.
@@Muleyasama At this price it should be standard. What other car over $70k doesn't have these as standard equipment?
@@jrwaters943 it’s a Porsche bro. Premium/luxury brands traditionally charge for things that should be standard. I’m not saying it’s right, but that’s just the way it is. I was spending my Cayman (which I will be buying later this year) but cruise control isn’t standard. CRUISE CONTROL lol it’s not even standard in BMWs. Luckily my 4 series has all the toys I need
Without climatic, you would possible reached the 300 mark.
This is how range tests should be done. Manufacturers should state range at 90mph.
I don't usually go on about how Tesla is doing compared to the rest but they claim over 500km with 21" wheels on the 2021 Model S Performance.
EPA / WLTP claim this, not Tesla. But Tesla’s always do well in those testing cycles and not so much in real world straight Highway. It’ll be one to test for sure! - Kyle
@@InsideEVsUS Are they not usually over the EPA as well?
We’ve never seen them come close in our 70mph testing
Teslas never reach their claims.
Not sure you needed 20 minutes to cover the range of the car...
Oh YeaaaAaaah...$165k all worth it ! Hahaha...
How is this better than the model 3?
It is a luxury brand. Great quality, amazing design, leather and luxury materials. It has great tech too. It is not a model 3. Is it better? Maybe, if you are looking for a luxury EV, yes. Cannot compare both cars, I think.
Model who? It is a Porsche... A league of its own.
And yet the model 3 dominates because many people like you will never afford a porsche. And the masses will buy a Tesla because it's affordable.
Porsche won't amount to shit like Tesla. Porsche isn't awesome. They never were. You idiots think it's awesome for the wrong reasons. No way in hell will Porsche out do Tesla. Porsche will not have the charging infrastructure. Porsche will not have the innovation. As for updating the software, yeah Porsche, like boeing has no clue. Mark my words. Porsche will drop out and stick to what they know best - internal combustible engines. Until porsche can figure out how to send their car in space, Porsche ain't shit in the EV game. That 270 miles is a fucking joke for a $100,000. Good luck getting that car. The cheap Tesla at $35k was doing 250 miles.
You guys are pure idiots. Tesla will come with that plaid model S and what's porsche going to do? It's obvious that they won't do shit. That taycan will be so obsolete. Porsche isn't rich like Tesla. There's a reason why Tesla is the most valuable car company. You idiots heard of space x. Porsche wishes like the rest of the car companies in the industry wishes they had that kind of R&D.
Quit kidding yourselves. Tesla FSD is so much more superior than anything that is out there. Don't take consumer reports opinion. Fucking test drive a Tesla. Fucking Porsche won't let you losers do that.
@@jaz4280 yeah right. Tesla is the most valuable car company for a reason. You keep that porsche.
Much better car, much less depreciation and much better quality.
driving a porshe at 70 mph is ridiculous ...
they are just manufacturing controversy by giving it a 200 mile range.
lol. their actually just doing the normal EPA range test. sheesh. not everything is a conspiracy. "I"m outraged at a car that I'll never buy!" Argh!
@@superset5 I've test driven, it's a beautiful vehicle but the packaging is a bit weird. Huge car, small interior. Very interested in the next version.
Manufacturers can choose how to do the EPA test cycle. They could change the start setting behavior and have 300 miles if they wanted to. The 1st gear is not made for efficiency, but the EPA test uses it almost exclusively.