These YouTubers FAKED Their Redstone?
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I spent 4 DAYS straight on this video and I really like how it turned out. I'll be covering 3 different youtubers who have clickbaited, lied and stole other redstone contraptions.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Pre Intro
0:58 - Intro
3:43 - Case 1
5:45 - Case 2
7:47 - Case 3
11:54 - Conclusion - Hry
My most controversial video is the one that blows up
Wait i went to your popular and its not the piston extender video its this?
Woah whats up!
He's got a point
Nice video, well done
Ligma
Great Video! I was suprised to see myself after clicking. Anyways just wanted to comment and say having been on YT for 10 years ive seen so many plaugerizing channels like this from way back in the day. Sadly its all too easy to rip off content of this type.
How often is your content ripped off?
Hold up
Hello
Wow i just clicked it when he commented
D: 😱
About iron farm rates: 411 is the maximum rate if all golems that can spawn do spawn. However, because you will have a ~2% loss due to the fact that the maximum platform size is 512 and not 1536, the actual maximum rate is 404.
love your work
That's the average rate, not a defined one. Remember that each game tick has a 1/700 chance for an attempt, which averages to one attempt every 35 seconds, but this is just an average. The rate in practice varies slightly from time to time, so 404 is just a theoretical maximum.
@@sohailaji4660 I think you are confusing the rate of a farm with the actual number of ingots that might get produced in an hour.
It makes no sense to compare the production of different iron farms based on anything other than expected number of ingots per hour (or some other unit of time).
@@RufusAtticus Sorry for any confusion. I agree: when comparing farms, the average rate makes the most sense. I was just pointing out that the exact amount of iron per hour varies slightly, due to the spawn attempts happening by chance, and not just once every so often.
@MrRedstone___ oh frik, about to reply that, ohh well
“Building a red stone machine that exposes fake redstoners”
yes
I guess they can "make" a 3x3 or 4x4 door, but challenge them to make a 4x3 piston door, and they will fail.
Then it exposes the creator
wait a minute what if we made fake redstone tutorials that seem convincing and we make them a inside joke so these big channels mis use them
That could be done by including some redstone that's completely useless except that if another had that part included too it's proof that he blatantly copied yours
I think silentwhisperer is a difficult case, because farms using the same mechanic are given to look pretty similar. I remember getting in trouble last semester because the code i submitted to programming exercises looked "to similar" to other students code, but there just aren't that many ways to write a program that does a given thing.
yea thats what i was thinking too.
Getting back onto the 3 by 3 piston door design you could hypothetically keep practicing designs of a 3 by 3 door and eventually end up with the small design as seen in this video
@@jammygamer8961 yeah, if one design is the one that works the chances of someone else accidentally making up the same arent that low
Well he is famous for his iron farms but he was not first to know that Fletchers are able to spawn iron golem in rain it was noise gaming I think and he didn't give him credit for that either
@@NeverTHOUGHTofIT that may be the case, I mostly just watch his bugs and glitches videos more so than his (sometimes) incompetent redstone builds. They work, sure, but the rates all almost always off as stated in this video. If you want true competency for iron farms and villager mechanics then old guy is the goat imo. Dude knows his stuff.
@@the-outsider look, I'm not praising him but the rates actually depends on your computer as I'mma programmer myself and know c++ well and also how Minecraft is coded
Java version is programmed to work exactly same no matter what client you use or what pc you choose to play on
But bedrock edition takes step according to your ram and even after editing the in files it won't do anything for eg in an android phone you can get maximum rendering distance of 24 to 32 chunks depending on Ram but on a pc you can get upto 98 chunks
Similarly bedrock edition decides no. Of mobs and also how often THEY spawn to keep game performance good that's how some his farms run better in his computer but A simple kid playing on 2 gb ram phone will never get even half of the same rate drops (default settings)
I prefer to be a normal stoner, but after watching I can understand why you'd want to be a redstoner.
I'm not quite a hobo yet, but I 100% agree with this statement
Red stone do be hitting different tho
Sometimes I spice it up by doing some redstone, though mostly I love to do stone.
@@gamingnubs7628 I tend to stay away from the rocks. Keep to the green... I mean red stuff, leave the white alone
White concrete powder can really mess you up
The Weird thing about Silent is he doesn't need to steal he clearly knows how redstone works and did indeed design Farms by himself, he even helps people in his comments that have difficulty building the Farm so I don't really understand why he steals.
a speed runner doesn't cheat to get fast times, they cheat to get times fast. same premise I'd imagine
@@GrimlandCS thats kind of a false equivalence, redstone doesn't have nesrly the same emphasis on getting everything fast as speedrunning does, it could be a different scenario
@@ikatulo_yt The quote implies that the speedrunner who cheats has the capability to get a good time but cheats to get that faster. Silent is good at redstone and can design farms but he yonks designs from others so he doesn't have to put nearly as much effort
@@GrimlandCS You made this quote?
@@mimos7214 its still a false equivalence though. You can't steal other people's speed run times, honestly it feels like bad faith critisism, people are baffled as to why he would steal ideas when its such a bad decision, and yet they insist that he absolutely did rather than maybe considering the possibility that he isn't lying 🤷♂️
It's not a problem with Minecraft, it's a problem with CZcams in general. If you don't use clickbait in titles, don't make videos daily etc, you are unlikely to succeed and it's impossible to make something by yourself and post daily while keeping the quality. There is also no way to fix that problem with the current CZcams, all you can do is make ranting videos about specific person in hopes that it will turn their fans against them.
I don't know why you chose those first 2 channels, everyone who subscribed to you is smart enough to notice it's a very low quality content they are making. There are thousands of channels like that and even more channels that just translate English content into other languages without giving credits. I think if you making ranting videos like that again you should pick smaller channels that are inside of tech/redstone community, something more ambiguous, where it would actually open eyes for a lot of people and hopefully change behavior of the video victim.
I recognize your name from somewhere else... Are you related to Scicraft in any way ?
@@NevermindFlame nah, im from other server
Wow this is long
@sbot50 noo someone ruined it
@sbot50 it's 121, let's make it 128, so its 2 stacks😅
"Using the exact same mecanics" often there is only one way to do it good. I have several times "accidentally" created things that are essentially the same as something I found later on yt. Other creations in my worlds are based on designs I saw in some video, mostly not block for block but the smaller a build is, the more it abuses a bug, the better the chance that there aren't too many good ways of doing it and while it is unlikely that I accidentely copy a particular other person block for block, that "somebody" has created something similar, is quite likely with the amount of MC redstoners there are.
It obviously is different if all you do is copying and you don't even understand the original designs. Or when you copy block by block really big builds or builds that include asthetic parts, that aren't technically necessary and therefore are much less likely to be copied block by block by chance.
If I had a YT channel I would credit other people where I know I have copied someone. And if someone later comes and says "hey, I build this first" I might add something in the description just like silentwhisper depending on how much I think was copied or not. I have a huge redstone testworld where I test and modify redstone builds.
I don't really see anything bad with people like silent not always crediting the first person to upload something, sometimes that can even be difficult because sometimes it's a no name channel with 40 views.
My bedrock minecraft supersmelter is a good example. It uses furnace feedtapes and is quite similar to designs I saw AFTER I created my design even though those other designs were created earlier. And in my redstone world you can see the experimentation and iterations the design went through. Experiments on piston feed tapes in general. Experiments on how to best fill moving furnaces. A first super smelter. A second super smelter that uses less material (and less furnaces) for the same smelting speed (don't need to have empty furnaces beeing pushed around...), and then a third design where I made it taller and less wide to get the foodprint down and fit it including a 20 times bamboo 0-tick farm for fuel into one chunk + I designed some decoration. Than finally the version in my main world is now missing the bamboo 0-tick farm as 0-tick isn't a thing anymore and got some addtions to get better lighting and have less lag from moving light sources. I will connect it to a big enough regular bamboo farm sometime in the future.
Yet it is just as similar to some builds on the internet as some builds of silent are to some others. I don't say here that he is always right, there might have been instances where he should have given credit, and if he knowingly copies someone I think he should give credit but in some cases people get obsessed over "it's my creation" when others can invent the same thing. For regular copyright lawsuits in USA that's part of what you have to prove, that somebody actually copied you and didn't just come up with it independently. For sufficiently complex things if they are exactly the same, that's obvious but for "it's very similar" or for technical things that don't have to many "good" solutions...
Additionally it is quite often the case that you saw something some time ago, maybe don't even remember where you saw it or even that you saw it but it influences what and how you build never the less. And in general "getting influenced / inspired" by something to create a similar thing is both legal and morally OK. How could we ever function as a sociaty without it.
We have a problem with people just blatently copying and not giving credits or anything but we shouldn't assume bad faith just because something looks similar. There needs to be more evidence, depending on how similar the builds really are.
Good for you or sorry about that I’m not reading all that lol
@@Marcusmedinas Tldr: You can accidentally create stuff that someone else might have created before you, without you knowing about it.
@@Marcusmedinas fr
I read your whole comment and I agree
Yes, I understand this fully, this is why I prefer more long form content when it comes to Redstone builds. You can see the processes someone went through to get a build done, and know, even if it’s similar to some other design, it was through coincidence. Mumbo does this, and so do a few other hermits, it’s best, in my opinion, like this. Not just for proving a design was your own, but also lets those who don’t quite understand Redstone learn how to use it: like me, who learned Java Redstone mechanics through Mumbo back in the day.
"I wont be taking sides" *proceeds to give damming evidence with no counterpoint*
If the counterpoint would have been nonsensical merely presenting it is showing bias
@@dcarter020809 I agree with the implicit conclusion here. Just pointing out what I found funny
He also used some bias phrasing
11:12 That’s me that said “Erm, That’s not... true”
Lol
kewl
Yees
i knew it was you lol
@@Ian-dq1tl ysame
Thank you so much for revealing the true origin of the World's Thinnest Piston Door, it's a contraption I loved the moment I saw and as someone that doesn't know a thing about Redstone I started to feel really concerned the moment you mentioned it. Keep up the great work !
I really liked how the room you were in changed over the course of the video, that's such a little detail that makes such a big difference on the quality of the video!
I instantly thought of Shulkercraft. They've repeatedly stolen other people's designs with zero credit and have made fraudulent claims. Such as when they claimed they made the "largest creeper" farm at 100k per hour even though SciCraft has a farm that produces 1 million per hour.
That's in the past, also they already give credits in the description. Everyone makes mistakes, even your parents made a mistake 9 months before you were born.
@@h625ultimate8 lmao calm down
Ok but the title of that vid could be targeted at the newer versions as Scicraft plays before the new modern updates
at least their videos are helpful and they actually put some effort in them, they're more tutorial-centered than showcasey. You can also tell that their real people and theyre not mass producing all their videos, and they understand the stuff and know that game, like quality over quantity
@@The_Liam_Radakovich still not "the largest creepr farm!"
I've come to really enjoy these videos. You highlighted some really important points that set a bad image for the rest of the technical community. Having such large CZcamsrs be nothing but build stealing, effortless tutorial makers really sets the wrong example for what other redstoners want in the Minecraft community. Hopefully in the future we can get rid of all people that steal builds, or at least have them properly credit. Once again, I'm really impressed with what you've managed to put up.
Agree
Hi Ben
@@mysteryboy2751 what r u doing here lol
@@Benthehuman czcams.com/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/video.html
Even tho I only have 27 subs I already had people steal my creations and praise them as their own on reddit. It‘s just a scummy thing to do and I am really gratefull that you exposed some of those people.
this is the best video of the year. xpose the nerd
@Jonah Hertzman ray credits everyone wdym
@@tbonemadeit yeah
@@tbonemadeit Edit: No
What happens if two people come up with the exact same design independently?
@@ValkyRiver 1) that is incredibly unlikely, 2) the first person would be credited with invienting it and the other would be criticized for copying. its like dream saying he "got lucky" or the person saying they "originally designed it". its so unlikely that we just dont even consider it
Ok so there's this channel called How to Cook That and one of the things she does is debunk fake internet recipes. If you ever do this regularly, you could be the How to Cook That of Minecraft redstone
Lmao
Or just the redstone breadtube
How to redstone that
Well, in science is a common problem: scientists far away from each other can invent same things even if they know each other or even reading each other jobs or articles
So, even u takes a lot of time inventing something, is even more difficult to search if your job is the first.... this is way we have Patents and person working on that kind of thing
But lying about rates is a strange thing...
yup this is seen in the story of how the structure of dna was discovered
I feel like lying about rates is easily explained. If you do a 5 minute test and extrapolate to an hour, you can easily be way off. I think that's what's happening
@@PunnamarajVinayakTejas I did a 1 second test and it by chance produced a single item in that time.
AMAZING FARM (3600/hr)
I didn't know there was a problem, now it is clear to me that there is. I'm new to playing Minecraft having just started over the Christmas period so CZcams tutorials are a godsend. I have found that some of the best stuff is on the less well-known channels where the Tuber explains how they modified an existing design or created their own after finding a niche problem. 🤓
Glad to hear you found my channel so early on lol
Crafty is such a great person to be using his new fame after mumbo's credit to be improving our minds and clarifying things. Honestly I could have never learned piston budding from Mumbo but I literally watched crafty teach it to someone ELSE and now I feel like 200 times smarter. And this video is so informative, KEEP IT UP CRAFTY!!
"its hard to find redstone workimg the same way in both version"
pfft nerds i just have a lever and a door
lets be honest, most of us probably have the same 2x2 piston door design
I made a 3x3 piston door, and it was three blocks wide, and then later realized that 90% of the door was almost exactly like the one from The Bow Tie Man.
I give all my social credit score, respect, organs to this man for finding justice
all 8 of them? Really?
@@EmbeddedWithin
8 for luck, mr chinese cultured youtube guy.
@@asheep7797 yes, 8 social organ scores
I will never be able to see Silentwisperer the same again.
same, I still like his vids though
same
I knew it! that guy just takes from navynexus, oldguy, and other less known bedrock players
He is a huge cheater. He uses command blocks hidden in his farms and then claims them to be legit
@@scientifreak5 really? I request elaboration
Great video! I kept on seeing channels like Skippy 6 gaming or Skyflier gain thousands of subscribers when they clearly didn't deserve it. Great seeing that I'm not the only to notice.
Nah, silent is the one who does not know how to write the word whisperer correctly 🤣
Skyflier is one of them yeah ,although less popular, he only takes others builds and understands nothing about the game, and then uses his subcount to make other things that would get popular even though his subs are all meant to be to the of creators
Top 10 most entertaining things in the world:
Top 1, block man punching air and talks about the drama inside of the rocket science community
I remember actually watching a Skippy6Gaming video while looking for a compact redstone door design, and immediately recognized it, same with silentwhisperer with a Mooshroom farm. it's a shame the redstone community doesn't get credit they deserve, without them we wouldn't have good farms to help us produce resources we need without the grind
I think it’s unfair to say that Silent was bad because he said 420/hour instead of 411. He’s human. He can’t leave it running for EXACTLY 1 hour and the difference in numbers is minimal. (Also, funny number)
You can simulate thebgame for hundreds of gours and take an average, also rufus commented on 404 as a theoretical maximum
Uhm, actually, yes he is bad when he is saying stuff like this. IF he was TRULY into technical minecraft, he would know that. This is pure clickbait what he is doing, nothing less. He did also the same thing with a tridentkiller or fix for a tridentkiller from navynexus. He said "it was a coincidence".
Good thing you brought this to light! Having personally been affected by a few of those "CZcamsrs" I know how big of a frustration they inflict...
Great video! Would love to see this idea of people stealing builds expanded on more. I can think of one myself.
You are a criminally underrated CZcamsr. This is the quality you’d expect from a 100k+ channel coming from a channel with under 3k subs. Keep up the great content!
I think having copyrights on Minecraft builds is pretty stupid, the point of making a video is to spread the knowledge of minecraft. As long as tutorials aren’t outright fake they should be fine
I think it would still be polite to the original creator of the content and plug them if it is extremely similar
Yep the issues is not to use them. It's to do video only about it without adding something new and even claim it's yours without crediting.
copyrights???? you mean patents, patents are for protecting designs, copyright is for protecting creative works like art.
Nice that you talked about bedrock edition as well ! Happens a lot here
i honestly think these kind of things need to be adressed or shown more in the community, and it def needs more attention than right now. and keep up the great work❤️❤️
The only time I have come across something like this was with a channel called "The Spiffing Brit". The channel features rather clickbaity videos that demonstrate bugs and exploits in various games while usually wrapping them in a funny but rather lengthy narrative. I was actually quite impressed by their knowledge on many different games until I came across a video of theirs about Minecraft. The video was about automated item duplication using Drowned. It was while watching that video that I found out that they actually had no idea what they were talking about because the featured contraption was just stolen block for block from a recent video by some of the SciCrafters. Despite the fact that the design was simply stolen and the fact that it was quite obvious that the presenter had barely any knowledge of basic redstone components everything was presented like they came up with the concept and the design by themselves. Afterwards I realized that the other videos are probably very similar and they just steal enough stuff from people who actually work on finding bugs and exploit in various games to make it seem like they actually know what they are doing to people unfamiliar with the games they are talking about and their communities.
Really
Damn why does everyone I think is cool is actually bad ;-;
Yeah I've seen a lot of his vids and it was the same with his aoe and Homm videos. I think they're fun and largely fine as for most games he just cheeses a low difficulty with a common exploit, and it's kinda hard to really attribute well known ai exploits or ubiquitous speesrunning strats (although they at least tend to be better documented). The Minecraft one really missed the mark though, it was just scicrafts build straight up
his newer videos seem better
Yea your are right he Just have to give Credit and Everything would be okay
But i still enjoy the Videos He makes
I Just leave a comment below mentioning the creator
Dude have you heard of this concept called punctuation?
Thanks for talking about that, I used to watch sub's videos, until I saw other people's designs in his videos, it was annoying 'cause I couldn't do anything. Maybe someone who has a big impact on the redstone community will talk about that, and make things change now.
I do some redstone for them, could you link me some videos where they have used other peoples designs in their videos? The only one I could think of is the classic semi hipster which I put into a video once
@@trainsley6937 did they credit you?
@@mantacid1221 no, but they paid me for it
I began my yt channel with redstone videos and I gotta say, finding a unique redstone contraption is hard. I was trying so hard when I realized that some ytuber just copy it. That's why I quit making redstone videos.
1. They get stolen and not credited
2. Its hard to have a unique contraption
3. How to edit and deliver the tutorial of it is so hard since its redstone and
people sometimes just don't get what you're trying to explain.
4. IT HAVE VERY LITTLE VIEWS BUT THE CLICKBAIT ONES HAVE MILLIONSB
😭😭😭😭😭😭
"IT HAVE VERY LITTLE VIEWS BUT THE CLICKBAIT ONES HAVE MILLIONSB" welcome to the youtube algorithm
@@TheForbiddenLemon sad truth bruhhh
Love the constantly changing set pieces, keeps the video interesting. Im not really into redstone but this was very informative.
I was very surprised to see Silent as one of your examples. Personally, I really enjoy his TB content but it is upsetting to think he would steal other people's work. Something that I hope most people that have done this kind of thing confess and promise to properly cite their sources in the future.
same
You hink a webside to keep track of builds, and there owners would help?
The the pace of this video is so great!
Dude you deserve more subscribers. Your video and edition skills are very good. And also good work on exposing these fake redstoners
Well this is the most enjoyable video I've watched today, for some reason watching a man single handedly expose other youtubers is really satisfying.
You might like jt or dj Cook then
5:26 It can be expandable if you would build it on the other side. (Those 4 observers on right side instead of left side)
with case 2… it really makes me sad, a man going from a respected roblox friend group to clickbaiting stealing and lying
Fantastic video, really love your editing :)
9:00 I actually agree with him on that.
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2 people could come up with the same idea independently, but whoever publishes first gets the credit.
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However, censoring criticism against you is morally wrong.
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I.E. I independently had the idea for converting stone into dirt and azalia trees using moss, but Xsuma had the same idea and published it on CZcams, when I chose not to.
In programming. While code is protected by copyright. API layers are not. While anyone can implement code that does functionally the same thing as another bit of code. The copyright is placed on the code itself. Not on what said code does.
This is why 3rd party launchers exist. Mojang's copyright on their own launcher only extends to the physical code and binary data of their launcher. However reimplementing your own version of the Minecraft launcher is fair use. Since what the launcher itself does is not protected, but taking the binaries from Mojang and editing them will however land you in hot water...
As someone who has never understood or followed Redstone it's pretty interesting learning about this whole side of Minecraft. I never imagined that people fought over crediting redstoners the same way people on twitter fight over crediting artists.
Phenomenal video, great work as always. Those people definitely deserve to be called out, and it's important to have people like you show others what's happening :^)
Kind of sad to hear about Silent. He seems like a pretty chill guy. I mostly watch him for the Bugrock stuff where he goes over the latest bug fixes. Is he at least trying to be a better person since this video came out a year ago? I don't watch him close enough to tell.
JC Playz might be another one. He comes out with basically the exact same farm tutorial every couple of weeks like clockwork. I mostly tune in for the ASMR-like quality of his videos. He does have an oddly soothing voice, and his deadpan delivery of the exact same lines in every video is hilarious.
"As you guys can see this farm will give you a ton of X." (Proceeds to show off a double chest he filled using Creative Mode.)
"By the way you guys can tell the Hopper is funneling towards the chest because the Hopper should be facing that way." (Hmm. Yes, the floor here is made out of floor.)
speaking of JC, i found it really funy when he published how to get a super fast horse, literally DAYS after silent published his. i didn't watch both videos to compare them, but dang
@@raymondstheawesome He seriously has a tutorial on how to get a super fast horse? Aren't horse stats a crapshoot? How do you make a tutorial for that? It would basically boil down to "Step 1: tame wild horse. Step 2: pray."
@@jonathanprince707 i don't really remember. It has something to do with throwing at them a splash potion of quickness and breeding them. It takes the RNG out of the process to some extent
@@jonathanprince707 yep a bedrock bug with speed potions, for some reason the speed boost is kept for each baby. Takes hours to breed enough generations to match a boat on normal ice. As long as the parent is under the speed affect, it is passed on as its base speed in the breeding RNG.
I totally agree with you. As a redstoner in Minecraft, I can say that I am not very good at it. Also I am new to youtube and honestly don't know of my designs are similar to already existing one. For me, It is not bad to copy or use other's redstone creation, but you must know your limits and always ask for permission or credit the original owner. You don't want others to also steal your design. Even if your channel is bigger, you must remember that you are once small, like us. You must also respect us not as youtube creators but as a human where that design is ours.
you deserve way more subs under rated for the vids you produce and the amazing quality
Great job and you have validated my intuition and or knowledge of the situation in the redstone community. I recently asked Dom quantum explicitly if I could use part of his rotary smelter design because I knew Skippy 6 had stolen and made a video in the past. I wasn't going to be the next person to do him wrong as it was obvious he worked hard on it!
Crafty: You can't say you came up with the idea and say you deserve to be credited by others who make something out of it.
Also crafty: Yeah, silent is totally in the wrong for not crediting the people who discovered the glitches even though he built his own version of the farm needed to exploit it because he should have credited them for coming up with the idea.
Yeah but silent changed the farms slitly like blockchoises and waterflow orientation. It's like someone inventing weel then another person changing the looks
And saying its his own invention.
@@LucaDornseifer But if a mechanic is found, won't people make farms about them. If there is one way to make it and someone made it first, it doesn't mean they are the inventor
@@mikecle8598 there's limited ways to use many mechanics in farms if you are still trying to be efficient, there are only so many ways you can design a redstone machine so if two redstoners learn of an exploit and want to make a farm out of it their machines are going to be very similar. Just like how most Villager farms are just slight changes on the same 2 different designs it proves nothing.
gotta credit glitch discoverers tho, in any game.
Enjoyed the video, one thing I would like to add to what you said about the EULA and fair use specifically is that even if what you are doing is "transformative" and adds something of your own to the video, in most contexts you are still required to give a citation to what work you are referencing. This still likely isn't grounds to go around claiming people making videos of your creations as copyright for creations made within video games is basically nonexistent (unless you want to claim it as art or something lmao).
I also agree with what KK said about calling out the channels at the beginning, as most people who are within the community and the majority of people to see this video will likely be able to tell that they are low effort content farms leeching off of other creators, and in my opinion are people that don't deserve any more attention.
One thing I would like to see (possibly a future video idea) is a look at docm77 and his behavior within the TechMC community. Doc is someone that I used to look up to and many others have as well, however after talking to some members of ZipKrowd it seems like he is one of the largest "fake redstoners" with dozens of stories I've heard about how he pressured smaller creators on ZK to build creations for him to make videos on, using his large audience and the threat of the smaller creators being canceled in order to get his way. From what I've heard this was the main reason why ZK split and doc moved to hermitcraft after other players started speaking up.
o...could you dm me more stuff about doc?
Whaaaaaaaaaaaa
I had no idea about what doc did
@@DardS8Br same
This surprised me...
"You sully the sacred architecture of a culture you cannot understand. All so you can say you won today."
I've waited so long to quote Last Wish.
Great commentary, also I love the sets in this video
Although I know this is not the main problem, I feel like in some cases watermarking the build could really help, for example putting components that are unnecessary in it. That would make it much easier to call out people, and it might completely destroy the channels of people who know little about redstone.
I gave u the credit u need, i have been saw ytrs in israel that did the same thing and didnt gave any credit and i comment them about it. Keep doing the great job ur the best!
i know thx for doing so :p
Since when Israeli media was any good?
we're are good in the STEM fields and are extremely capitalistic, but TV and youth e channels are just plain trash....
Thank you so much for talking about this, these carpey CZcamsr drive me mad.
I have made one or two designs that were really close to someone else, the only reason I know this is when I got stuck I would look up how to do it at I would get really confused because they were almost identical. But these happened a long time ago so that would probably explain it, redstone builds have advanced so much in the past 5 years.
I honestly don't know how I stumbled upon this video, I played Minecraft many, many, many years ago. But I watched it, and then I remembered some incidents, and I suppose this will be the first and only time I've ever ranted about it.
I originally started doing redstone way back right around the time comparators had been introduced into the game; or maybe a bit before that, I can't recall exactly when (or what year even...) But shortly thereafter, Etho (is he even around anymore? I don't know.) Had created his "Death Coffin," idea. So me, being me, I decided to try and improve it - and made a video for youtube. And I even made the title "Improved Ethos Death Coffin" or something.... the amount of HATE I got for it, for 'stealing' and improving the design, despite directly attributing it to him - was frankly insane. It was in the title, it was in the description, I even had a sign on it that said "Ethos' Death Coffin 2.0" or something. I talked about his original design, and then the improvements I had made to it. But...the cult of personality didn't really care...
Well, kind of disheartening. But, moving on. I kept experimenting with Redstone and eventually developed a tileable one-wide dust, torch and repeater only downwards double-piston extender. And while double down pistol extenders, and double piston extenders had existed for a while, it was to my knowledge (and I searched) the only true tileable variant.
Well, I posted it on the official minecraft forums, and youtube....and got destroyed by people claiming so and so had already invented it. Which, by the way, while true - used a totally different and much slower design... And wasn't truly tileable, it was two separate 1x1 tileable designs that could be connected. Well, then I made two more tileable designs totally different than the first, and from the existing one that I had supposedly 'stolen' from... And the video with those went several hundred negative likes.
I then made a very simple 1x high t-flip/flop using comparators and a piston - which again got destroyed, not because it had already existed - but because decided that arguing semantics of it was more important - it was a technically a flip/flop, but also a rising edge detector... and then came the whole thread of bashing on how it wasn't 1 high, because it sat on the ground >_>
Ok, sure.
Finally, I made one more device, a very simple double extender block swapper (down or up facing,) and got raged on for 'stealing' it from someone else - except no one could actually point out who I was stealing from, only that this person here had a swapper, and this person here had an extender - and neither one was as simple, or as efficient as mine - much less combined...And that someone else had a double extender swapper but it used completely different mechanisms....blah blah blah.
Well, I actually gave up on sharing my redstone at that point - and joined the new Zombie survival craze.... and tried to make some videos...and made the mistake of talking (in game chat) about my video and channels at the same time some other famous CZcamsr was in the same server.....I didn't know them at all (it was bdoubleo, though.) And not only did my channel get downvoted into oblivion to thousands of downvotes on most of my videos; the rage comments (including a couple of posts suggesting violent forms of suicide....) but even the popular youtuber himself made a video that called me out in some very nasty terms.
Again, I had no idea that he was on the server, or who he was. I was just chatting with a few other people that had joined me during my playing while we raided the north, and casually mentioned my channel on youtube.
After that, I simply quit trying to make videos, went back to single player, and just did creative architectural builds, experimented privately with some other redstone stuff like auto-smelters, farms, etc... for a while and then....quit when some update or another broke what I was doing.
Yea....
Oh my god. I feel so bad... I can’t believe I looked up to bedoubleo:( I will never look at him the same again... I hope you can recover and I hope you will bring your channel back; would be great to have your genius redstone mind in the community. Also, please ignore the people asking for your death; they mean nothing don’t let them ruin your life. Hope I get to see some of your videos in the future, and I hope you haven’t gave up.
@@chompchompch he took the video down shortly after posting it. This was a long time ago. So, its just my word.
To be fair it is possible that two people came up with the same design without being aware so both think they found it first
@@Professornoob. The only thing that makes silent a little sus is that he would silence people and steer conversations away from anything to do with techrock, saying they were toxic. I'm not saying that he is a bad person but it's just something I think about.
I appreciate your commentary on this! I (luckily) have been an avid fan of mumbo for a long time, and I'm lucky that I never knew redstone as a category of fake bs for views! This means two things, firstly, that I'm not weird as f* for being a redstoner, second that I avoided (by happenstance) the toxic environment of fake bs that would quickly have turned me away from the game, which I currently love btw. Thank you for enlightening me on this toxic environment!
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Really good editing and video loved every second of it
I live these kinds of videos. Their quality really reflects the work that goes into them
I think this just highlights the problem with the internet as a whole. This will only result in more regulations of the internet which will take away from the freedom of the internet we have now
Dude where have you been? Love the channel and man I’m so stoked I found it!!
love the video editing especially on the intro. damn C418 stal is just too good. so is all the other tracks and your usage on it.
I stumbled on subs world trying to research minecart physics and I saw one about furnace minecarts. I ended up clicking on it because of how dumb it looked, and he knows surprisingly little about the actual game.
"If you put iron ore in a furnace minecart, you can smelt it"
lol, I wish that's what they did.
i hope so
Now, on the subject of the silentwisperer, if someone uses the same Mechanics for a build, and it's somewhat similar to another build that does not mean that they are the same build. Just voicing my opinion
This video was amazing! I really hope for you that this vid is gonna blow up!
5:35… Hey… That’s me.
This is still a great video! Subscription earned
I am shocked. I genuinely trusted silent whisperer. Skippy and sub I was already aware about but silent is truly unprecedented.
2 examples, and it is possible. People make the same scientific discovery days apart and minecraft is much more simple. At worst it shows that he has an ego problem.
@@joebob3683 calm down, my god. Silent’s old video’s weren’t always that good, but he really has changed. Take for example his recent wither skeleton farm. Is that also stolen and clickbaited and stuff??
@@joebob3683 he lied about drop rates, and was just generally a douche. for me the possible stealing of redstone isnt even the worst thing
Man when I was a kid I fell for so many of these and wasted so much of my time recreating them... I hope more kids see this video so they won't do the same mistake I did.
Instant sub, great video. Love the teckrock server also
well, at least mumbo gave credit when he found out, same happened with the season 8 starter base of impulse. so many people just don't give credit
Can you please do an investigation as to why RaysWorks was banned from Prototech.
Wait when did he get banned?
@@BryanLu0 Quite a while ago, I don't remember exactly when. Around the time it happened I tried to do some research, and I learned the whole ordeal is incredibly secretive. I did some more research a day or two ago and found that Ray potentially steals all his Redstone, but there is also evidence supporting he doesn't. What information can and can't be trusted is hard to determine. All I know is that a member of Prototech invented a ground breaking machine that forces instant tile ticks. Redstone similar to the RNG manipulation technology. And the idea was stolen by the server moderators. And Ray did not credit the guy either, but this machine plays into all the hidden drama. As to why the moderators banned Ray, I'm really not sure. There's a lot we don't know and I don't have the time to go deeper. Many people on the Sci-craft server were former Prototech members so you would think you could trust them, but I heard they went and harrassed a bunch of Redstone guys as well. It's just a mess trying to find a reliable source.
I always thought there was something iffy about Silent. I still watch his videos and update/bug videos, but I always build his farms in creative first to make sure they actually work.
The one time I didn't, I built the massive 128 portal gold farm in survival only for it not to work.
Not gonna lie, I was rather disappointed.
Yeah, same with me. I use his videos as a hub for good farms for survival and update/bug news. Now I just need to made sure that I know he might have not made it.
That’s odd the gold farm work perfectly fine for me
I like the style of your videos. Very Noice!
Love the music and great vid!
huh... if I ever made a video about my current 1.16.1 base, and had to credit everyone whose designs I used/based mine on... well it'd be a damn long list. Including even a guy whose name I can't even spell with my keyboard, because he uses kanji to write it.
Rip :(
use copy paste
As far as the whole Xumavoid getting credit for bed wars thing, I'd say getting credit for a game idea has different criteria than getting credit for a build. A game is inherently an idea because its just rules and concepts. Obviously most games need to have some physical representation in order to play it, but that is separate to the game. The creator of a bedwar map should get credit for creating the map and adding things like command blocks and stuff to make it more functional, but Xumavoid should get credit for bedwars as a game concept. But then you can also get into more complicated things like if the person who created the first bedwar map should get credit for setting a precedent for how the physical representations for all the future bedwar maps were created (which I think they should).
Agreed, bedwars is basically a variant of capture the flag that has existed before Minecraft anyway.
Great video love it :) I find it kinda funny that the video about fake redstoners is made in a fake set, idk why (or if it was intended)
I knew that when this video started with the BANGER Stal, I’d appreciate this video
I've never heared about the Silent case until today but to be honest it kinda scares me, the whole point of the video is that we should praise the effort and care people put into Redstone designs right? And we clearly admit he knows how to use Redstone, so why do the majority insist that he IS copying other people. Its kind of a guilty until proven innocent situation, and yeah maybe he didn't reply super friendly and he was kinda petty about it, but what if he was right? What if he wasn't lying? Wouldn't you understand how frustrating it is for everyone who "praises people for working hard to develop redstone" immediately invalidates and accuses you?
Maybe for people who gets accused of that, they could put like "coincidentally, my design look similar to *name*'s design. If you want to check out their design here's the link to it *link*"
This just popped up on my recommended... I always find it a little funny when people who have absolutely no talent or skill tries to plagiarise, knowing full well that they are no where near smart enough to have come up with the concept in the first place. It is sad though when they succeed and get the credit...... But I cannot help but wonder what these people think when they've successfully plagiarised. Yeah, they've got their 15 minutes of fame, but now they can NEVER reproduce that effect without stealing an even better thing and risk getting caught being a talentless hack, or coming up with something original, which they can't. It's people like this that make me not want to share my knowledge of redstone with people :(
Nice touch with the music discs from minecraft as background music
Dammm dude I always thought and was frustrated about that how no one talks about these guys they are sooo bad and FINALLY SOME GENEOUS talked about em. great work dude keep it up and this should be a series to destroy all these ppl.
Silent has made some of the smartest designs yet(especially his guardian farm, which was god almighty).
I find it really hard to believe silent copied these creators since these are some things he could make himself!
I argue that these were coincidences and the reason they look so similar is because they were the same farm based on the same premise.
pfft are you a bot, or silent himself? Don’t argue with the evidence dude; you’d have seen it clearly if you had actually watched this video
@@samchu5709 yea, i am a bot 😔
That's something I was thinking as I was watching this. From the sound of it he didn't actually copy any farms, he just used a mechanic he had heard about to make a farm himself. There's only so many ways to design a farm to work with a specific mechanic efficiently so of course it becomes very similar, especially so if they aren't super optimized or compacted.
It's also kinda hypocritical that Crafty gets on Xizuma's case about claiming ownership of an idea and saying he should get credit despite other people being the ones to execute it but then blasts Silent for basically taking hearing an idea and building a farm based on the concept without crediting the discoverer.
@@Tomeroche Xizuma never seemed bitter, and it didn't seem to me that Crafty was on his case.
Silent just changed looks and not much to no redstone if that should be with credits is your opinion.
From what I know silent doesn’t try to make fake rates, he’s improved recently and made a tutorial for it too.
i am in love with ur channel this is amazing
This video is amazing. You deserve more subscribers/views. Great job on the video. 👍
Kinda pained me to see Silent here, since that's where I go grab all the farms for my pocket edition worlds
I still personally doubt he steals farms; the guy knows what kind of mechanics he's meddling with, and whenever there's a tool (like a chunk viewer add-on) that he feels like featuring in the discord server, credit is given
There's a lot of ways to do different farms, and it's true that he could have gone for different designs, but I personally think he just likes to go for what makes sense to him at the time, and that may coincidentally be what other people's designs look like
Also, the "how did he know the video didn't explain anything if he didn't watch it" contradiction is kind of clear to debunk. When someone tells you their stuff is stolen from other people, you tend to search it up, even if out of curiosity; he may have searched it in the moment he was called out
I personally believe he may have seen some designs, but saying they are stolen is a bit too much until there is proof that this kind of thing really happened in the circumstances that will be called stealing
Yeah saying that the designs are stolen is wrong. But Desings have almost the same to the same redstone in them. If that is a chase in which you should link the orginal, which he clearly has seen (So many "same" Desings are unrealistic), or not is up to you.
True, and redstone well you cant copyright the design.. but there is still a small chance he *might have* taken the design but idk.
He still kinda acted like a jerk on the discord sever though, like yeah it may be accidental that he made similar designs but to be so egotistical to not just say a simple "hey this guy figured it out before me" it takes absolutely nothing. And for him to get all defensive and censor criticism, and then call the entire comunity toxic for it? Idk even if he's in the right in terms of design credit, the way he handled the situation made him look like a complete ass.
8:47 How is this even stealing? I did a very similar setup for the sugarcane farm, and almost everyone does. It's not stealing things(at least with this farm), it's re-inventing a wheel.
Well without going into the details of "idea stealing", I would simply put that whenever reinventing a wheel, putting proper referencing to ealier (in particular earliest) work on the same topic, is very much appreciated.
And by very much appreciated, I mean one should not claim being the first to do something without actually searching for something similar, furthermore, in the case that similar material, always put references to them.
Adding references is like THE first step to make a clear view of everyone contribution.
IMHO, it is perfectly OK to say I reinvented "that" on my own (whatever "that" is) initially invented by "whoever".
As a redstoner of both versions of Minecraft, seeing people who do this is truely heartbreaking…
Now I am looking at all these random channels.