Sigma 28-45mm f/1.8 DG DN Art: The brightest full frame zoom EVER MADE
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The Sigma 28-45mm f/1.8 DG DN Art is the fastest full frame zoom lens we’ve ever seen. It looks perfect for video and event work, but how does it perform in the real world? Chris Niccolls went to Calgary’s East Village to find out.
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9:59 - Should you buy it? - Věda a technologie
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I have a 50mm f.95 that focus breathes so badly, it's basically a zoom lens, so it really deserves the title of brightest full frame zoom
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Lmfaoo
Just because it focus breathes, it does not make it a zoom lens.
@@user-zw4iy1rt8k it's a joke
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Betting he shot this on the lumix gh7
Other hot contenders: Lumix S1ii (I'd assume rather than gh7. Especially as it would make sense for Panasonic to supply an S1ii together with the lens) and Canon R1. My camera shop dude said something of new Sony-cameras and Nikon Z6iii seems to be a possibility (though not really rumoured yet). Someone said R5ii in the chat but why would they release that together with the R1?
@@hendrickziegler8487 I think the most likely cameras are the GH7, Nikon Z6III, Lumix LX100II, or the S1II in that order from most likely to least likely. Sony and Canon are possibilities as well its just I haven't heard a name for any of there cameras coming in the next month or two so I doubt its in reviewers hands if we don't even have a name yet. The reason I said GH7 is because those other 3 cameras have major road blocks for showing up in a video like this at this point in time. Nikon doesn't like sending cameras out they prefer to send out a rep with their camera. The LX100II seems a bit out of place for this video but it is the most rumored camera currently. The S1II has had no info leaked at all other then some form of the S1 has been registered.
@@hendrickziegler8487 Could also be the Sony ZV-E10II but I think that is the least like by far.
Nah the colours really don't look too great, that's definitely not a Lumix
@@hendrickziegler8487 panasonic doesnt even have an unknown FF camera registered atm so defenitely not a new lumix FF
Its interesting, but 28-45 is such a narrow range, and this thing is so large, I'm kind of inclined to just carry a 35mm and call it a day.
Yeah, for photography, I'd rather carry a wider, smaller, lighter prime and crop in. Neat, though.
Yep. 18-35/1.8 makes much more sense.
@@xmeda what a dream that would be
I totally agree with you. It sounds nice, but in the end, the size and weight make it impractical. I'm with you, a 35mm lens will do with newer high pixel cameras. It's a lens that is fixing a problem or void that doesn't exist.
In fact, a 35 F1.4 is lighter and smaller, and would crop nicely to 45mm without sacrificing bokeh compared to 28-45 F1.8
I just wish it was a 24-50mm f/2.
Also Jordan repping Criterion is always rad.
yeah I too would prefer to give up some light for greater versatility
I wish it was a 28-70.
28 is just wide enough for most things, while 70 is just tight enough for most things.
@@piotrgraniszewski8544I respectfully disagree. I think 24mm is basically a necessary focal length for professional coverage. You're probably looking for coverage if shooting with a zoom already, the question is if it's for professional use. I could never feel comfortable shooting a wedding without having 24 on the wide end. For amateur use, I absolutely agree with you -- 28mm is a great "split the difference" focal length
I think I would prefer 35 to 85mm
Personally I would prefer an 18-150mm F1.7 with internal zoom motor, no focus breathing and full titanium build quality with a hint of swirly Soviet bokeh characteristics.
But I also live in a real world and understand that wishing for the impossible is the norm among netizens without understanding how difficult its already to achieve a 28-45mm F1.8 in a full frame world.
I’m kind of shocked that I still haven’t seen anyone draw a comparison with the Canon RF 28-70 f/2. I love that Sigma has become the brand that tries new stuff that nobody else will do. I personally don’t find a lens like this very useful, but it sounds like a dream come true for many.
that is better. there you go
Tony mentioned the 28-70 F/2. Sony will also bring a 24-70 F/2 soon
I'm not sure why you'd want to compare those two. First off they are for different systems, and then the Canon has twice the range, costs three times as much, and weighs 50% more. Nobody would seriously weigh those up against the other.
@@MarcelVolker the comparison exists by the simple fact they share faster than an F/2.8 aperture as a full-frame zoom. These are the kind of lenses that someone like a wedding photographer would jump to a camera system for because they’re incredibly unique. It’s not like it’s a run-of-the-mill 24-70 f/2.8 that every system has, it’s something that stands out. You’re correct that these lenses are at separate price points for different systems, but they are both attempting to achieve similar goals with different approaches.
While this is not a lens available to me (Canon shooter), I am contemplating the same idea of "is this useful?" Initially I was like, "wow, a really limited zoom range." Then I got to thinking about when I use a standard zoom lens, most my shots are in the range this lens can shoot, 28-40mm. At least half of my shots at any event will be in that range with a 24-70mm. Not to mention the 18-35mm F1.8 they made for crops is a similar field of view after crop factor is considered, and that lens was very popular (granted part of the reason for that may have been the lack of options for a fast, constant aperture standard zoom for crops). I agree, I probably couldn't use a lens like this, but there certainly will be those that will find it a dream come true.
I was literally just complaining about how I wanted Sigma to update their old 24-35 F2 lens for mirrorless cameras a few weeks ago after the launch of their second 24-70 f2.8 lens for mirrorless. Thank you very much Sigma for blowing away my expectations!
They need to update their 50-150 apsc lens for mirrorless. It’ll be even better with Canon RF-S in the race now. Canon makes great apsc bodies for sports!
Best start to a comment ever: “I was literally just complaining”.
Actually there is a 50-100/1.8@@justinburley8659
I can not believe that Chris just walked by a water puddle and did not take a photo. He loves doing that! 🤷🏻 oooh he’s growing up 🤔
The color-man is fantastic! 4:06
Wow what happened to Chris? the first two samples were shot in 35mm???
It’s essentially a 35 prime with a little more give and take
But absurdly priced. You can get the Sigma 35 f/1.4 for $550 less lol
the noct measurement is BACK!! :D
I’m sure this is a great lens for those of us in need of it, but it also kind of shows how great the Lumix Leica DG Summilux 10-25 and 25-50 f1.7 zoom lenses are. I know these are MFT lenses, but on scale these are superb in range and light gathering capabilities.
The 10-25 is very reasonably sized considering all that it does and how well it does it in a 20-50mm FF range
Ugh, plena.. Please please Chris, can you stick to the Noct? Plena is too confusing
Plus the name sucks.
You got it. I’ll make a concerted effort
Hats off to Sigma. Creating some sensational glass lately, and competition at the premium end is good for everyone as consumers, especially when they're keeping prices very reasonable.
That said, this is the focal length I personally would use for street, landscape etc and it's very bulky for those kind of 'walkaround' scenarios. I'd probably just go for the 35mm f1.8 Sony which is cheap, small and excellent. Horses for courses though... Credit for being creative in their lens design.
The problem is that for the same price, you can get the Tamron 35-150mm f/2.0-2.8. An important note: in the 35-45mm range, the Tamron still maintains an f/2.0 aperture (it only goes to f/2.2 at 50mm). It is 5mm longer and 215g heavier than the Sigma. Additionally, the Tamron 25-50mm f/2.0 is coming, which according to rumors, will be half the size, half the weight, and half the price of the Sigma 28-45mm f/1.8. And Sony is about to release Sony 24-70mm f/2.0 for the price (again, rumors) between this Sigma and Canon 28-70mm f/2.0.
While it is the brightest full-frame zoom ever made, it doesn't offer enough in terms of range, size, and weight to be truly competitive with what's already available on the market, especially considering what's about to be released (such as the aforementioned Tamron 25-50mm f/2.0).
This is the only sensible take, honestly the review could be summed up into this
The Tamron is 1899. This is 1349.
question is what about optical quality of those mentioned lenses? I have seen one review with direct comparisons of Sigma 28-45 to Sony GM 50, 35 and 24 primes and it was consistently against all 3 primes slightly sharper in centre but softer on edges. Also Sigma had less CA than GM primes.
24-70 have better range, but also a whole list of problems. Beginning with worse sharpness and contrast, way worse CA (especially that new Sigma 24-70) and also dust gathering extending tube. So 24-70 f/2 is possibly comming soon, it sounds awesome on paper, but it also would have to be a significant improvement over 24-70 f/2.8 GM II in sharpness, contrast and CA. And even though 25-50mm f/2 also sounds great on paper, we wont know if it really is as good as it sounds until its released, tested and results compared.
Sigma 28-45 is a lens full of compromises. Less versatile focal range, large size and more weight for superior image quality, more light gathering and possible subject separation and better weather sealing.
IMO it would pair really well with 70-200 GM II. Both with its focal range and its weight and dimensions. Only if they both had same filter size too...
INCREDIBLE GALLERY
Nikon Z6 iii looks good, at least in video
Panasonic has better autofocus than Nikon. Nikon sucks so bad 😅
@@lewcehjitl3282 This sounds like a faulty source. Nikon is basically AF relevant when you move up to the Exspeed 7 bodies.
@@lewcehjitl3282 you are imagining too much 😂
@@USGrant21st the Canon R100 has better autofocus than Nikons entire line up. Facts are facts 🤷🏻♂️. Nikon also ruined an all American company Red so sad..
@@lewcehjitl3282 dreaming again 😁
Holy shit sigma.
Yes, was my idea too. Has M43 bokeh... They did this too in the past with new cameras that were still under embargo. Very excited about a new GH7!
I currently use the 18-35 and it is an absolute gem, there is very little of similar quality in the dedicated apsc field.
ooof those picnic table shots are making me seasick.
Fantastic video!
In the age of high ISO cameras and advanced focus manipulation software, do we still need f/1.8 lenses, or should we focus more on sharpness and weight control?
This lens is impressive. I have been considering the lens since I have read the rumors. However, I really can't see myself using this lens over the Tamron 35-150 in any application that I could think of.
24-40 would have been a better indoor range
Tamron 35-150mm is a crazy package. I can cover everything in a full wedding day with that and a 24-70mm GM.
This is definitely for us video guys. This is a great A cam interview lens. Pair it up with a 50-150mm or 70-200mm for the B cam and you're set.
just get the 35-150 Tamron, job done. brilliant lens.
Definitely if your standing next to the stage for concerts in super dark and crappy lit small venues this lens seems like it is perfect for that scenario for sure!
28 is not wide enough for me. Had it been a 24-50 F2 I'd have been a lot more interested. That said, it does look like a fantastic lens. I'm just wondering if I can find a place for it seeing as I own the 24-70 Art.
Wow! What a very interesting lens.Thanks for the detailed review, gents!
That replacement for 35/1.8 looks a bit big and heavy, don't you think.
Thank you. Not a lens for me personally but great to see what is achievable. These days I’m going smaller and lighter with a Sony A7CR. At some point though an f/2 midrange zoom like the Canon RF 28-70/2 might interest me. Take care.
it will be interesting to compare this one with the rumoured 24-70 F2.0 from Sony.
I would have bought a zoom starting at 24mm and at least f2.0. 28mm wide end is just not enough for me. Maybe that will come next.
Thanks for the review as I was already contemplating getting the 18-35 f/1.8 in APS-C mode for some of my needs. I saw couple reviews saying the AF is good but not great even for fast walking subject so I am holding back for now otherwise it maybe be a good companion lens to the Tamron 35-150mm f/2.0-f/2.8 for lowlight event shooting for me. Maybe after a new firmware update? Thanks again for the review.
08:36 "...just a hint of onion flavoring..." but can you smell it on your breath afterward? But seriously, folks -- this lens seems to be an amazing technical achievement, but like other commenters, I'm struggling to figure out what the use case would be. It's 'way too big and heavy for a walking-around lens. As to "replacing a bagful of primes"... well, for urban photography, most people are going to want to carry something longer than 45, and possibly wider than 28 as well, so not much being replaced there. The range of view angles -- 65 degrees horizontally for 28mm and 44 degrees for 45mm -- is only 1.5x, not a very big difference, and one that for still photography with a high-megapixel still camera could just as easily be bridged by cropping. That leaves the only sensible uses I can think of being as a "framing zoom" for video (except for the focus breathing, oops) or maybe concert photography where you want a bright aperture and are confined to a fixed position (although you'll still need to carry something longer than 45 for tight shots.) Sigma may have just accomplished the feat of creating a brilliant lens that hardly anybody actually needs...
Cmon guys. What did you film it on? Great video.
Unrelated to the lens, do you update the “redacted” when the embargo lifts?
Looks like fun to shoot!
With new Lenses getting nearly Perfect (Sony 24-70 GM2 or Sigma M2) i think it's a great idea that manifacturers getting into new lensdesigns and new Zoomranges.
But for now I will just watch you guys testing the awesome Fullframe stuff till I can jump up to Fullframe.
Having the canon 28-70 f2 Im not a big fan of this focal range. I tend to miss 24mm and more zoom than even 70mm. I think 24-105mm is the best walk about focal range.
I love my 24-105 but F4 isnt enough for every situation
Sigma really doing amazing things this year with their releases. I really hope they start making lenses for GFX and provide more affordable, quality lenses. Would be really amazing to see what they can come up with.
Impressive lens but I doubt it would replace primes for just walking around and taking shots. That this is massive!
I call it a stack up of primes.
At that time, Sigma 18-35/1.8 was sharper than many primes so I started my Sigma F1.8 purchase
omg I hope they will redesign 18-35 for the APSC users !!!!
would be nice, but de 18-35 is still a blast even in 2024
@@IJAY2509 True, but would be nice if they make native versions for Sony E and Fuji X mount. That lens is perfect for the Sony FX30 & A6700 and Fuji X-H2s, X-T5 and XS20
@@Edwin-- thats true
they dont really push crop sensor development atm
What does it need though? It seems like a really good lens still
Any idea if it will ever be available in Nikon Z mount?
Legendary lens
Manual linear throws (full vs 180) on L-Mount versus Sony rack implementation in context of breathing in realistic pulls at this range?
that MSRP is crazy cheap
Honestly I was fully expecting it to be like $2000
nice irony
You can get the much better Sigma 35 f/1.4 for $550 less lol
are you being sarcastic? never know on internet if somebody is serious.
@@michaelbell75 yeah, and even 35/1.4 GM is now cheaper than 28-45. It's a nobrainer which one to buy.
I know it would have been huge and expensive, but i was really hoping for an 18-35/1.8 to pair with my tamron 35-150/2.0-2.8.
Panasonic GH7, nice, finally looking real good, same image quality as a G9M2, was hoping for 8k sensor but oh well, 4k480p global shutter sensor will have to suffice.
The sony 24-50 f2.8 seems like a better size, better weight, better focal range in exchange for 1 stop of aperture. For event work/reportage I feel like I'd still go with that if I wanted to use a zoom.
It's a cool product from Sigma though.
Gotta say those Nikon greens always stand out to me.
Thanks!
@PetaPixel Any news on 18-35 f1.8 for fuji?
Shot on GH7 for sure, background too in focus to be full frame and no notation about what camera was used, which is intentional of course.
Sigma brought this lens out ahead of their full frame foveon camera, an interesting time indeed for us foveon sensor fans. :)
Weddings are not my main gig, but I'd take my tamron 35-150 and drop a 1.2 or 1.8 prime on the second body. Though I have shot a very dark and active event with the tamron with good results after using lightroom's denoise feature.
I’m sorry but I think the plana as a unit of measurement isn’t going to stick. I think the noct is still the standard to which all lenses should be measured against.
The Plena is an optical standard. The best 135mm lens ever made.
@@macmac6479 You totally missed the point, but it's fine. The Noct is a curiosity, most people know the lens. The Plena?! Who the fck cares for this lens?!
The teaspoon is totally not gonna stick, everyone knows the Tablespoon is the ultimate unit.
@@Benjamin_JehneI do!
As an event shooter, I was contemplating the idea of this lens even though I can't get one (Canon shooter). The wide aperture is great, the zoom range feels a little limited. However, I do tell people all the time my most used FL range with my standard zoom is 28-40mm. At least 50% of my shots take place in that range at an event. So for me, that other 50% is still too important for this lens to be useful; maybe if it were more like 80% of my shots, but 50% is too much to give up. But, you mention the 18-35mm F1.8, which has a very similar field of view to this lens after the crop factor is considered (as it was a crop only lens). That lens was very popular. Granted, that could have been from the lack of other options for that kind of lens (fast, constant aperture standard zoom with a wide enough angle of view to be useful indoors), but I am just saying that I bet they see a similar level of success with this lens.
I was really hoping for an update to the 18-35mm and 50-100mm F1.8 lenses from Sigma in mirrorless mounts. Currently adapt an 18-35mm to an R7 and it's friggin great.
Canons 28-70F2 still blows this out of the water in terms of versatility… woulda been cool to see something similar to that made by sigma. The 28-45 just seems limited, as much as he says he doesn’t like 35mm, at that focal range I would rather strap a 35 1.4 to the camera lol.
Sure the Canon is much more versatile, at a cost! And because of that, hardly anyone can afford it. You're forgetting that this Sigma is mainly targeted to video shooters because of the limited range.
& terms of cost ;-)
OMG I wish Sigma would jump into Z Fullframe. This is exactly what I'd need. Currently I jump between 24mm, 35mm and 50mm 1.8 for my indoor stuff to get most of the ambient light. This lens would just be perfect to replace all that.
Ask Nikon to get out of the way
@@PhotoVideoTechOz I guess it's both sides needing to agree on something. Worked with Tamron, which gave us the lovely 35-150mm. Hopefully will happen with Sigma too. At least for APS-C we're already there.
Anything you can shoot with this zoom you can shoot with 35/1.8. It's a useless lens.
@@USGrant21st sure. who cares about the 50% more field of view between 28 and 45mm anyway. leaving alone all the differences in style and usage that come with certain focal lengths. nobody cares. useless lens. period.
@@trueatfalse lol. you are making stuff up. The difference between 28 and 35 is 1.25x and between 35 and 45 is 1.28x -- miniscule, no matter how you slice it.
You know, the 18-35/1.8 is also a full frame zoom from 26-35mm (at least on a Pentax K1. Could the usable 26mm be possible due to focal flange distance in relation to the image circle?) It's super useful on full frame as well, as a substitute for using 28/1.8 and 35/1.8 primes.
Nice review, of this new art series lens, your in Canada why don't you quote Canadian pricing or show both on the screen ,that would be nice 👍
The zoom range is limited -- how useful do you consider it to be in practice?
My thought is this mainly removes the need to carry 24,35,50 fast primes and having to futz with them repeatedly
My very first thought was this would be good for small venue event or live music photography. Would be awesome if you are shooting up close to the stage.
3:51 you should clean your lens/sensor or are thos particles floating around there? 😅
wonder if this lens can cover medium format?
I agree, it´s way cheaper than I tought it would be
Now release a f/1.4 zoom for aps-c.
First thing in my Mind. Is this the FF brother of the legendary sigma 18-35 f1.8 APSC lense :D ?
The FF brother of the 18-35 is the already existing 24-35 f/2. This is some sort of mid ground. It's an interesting lens, but it's not the 2nd gen 24-35 f/2 I was hoping for.
Yes, this is the brother of the 18-35 APS-C. Which cropped would be around a 28-54mm. So this one is bit shorter on the long end but nothing crazy. It also stays at f1.8 which is crazy thinking this is full frame. Such a beast of a lens. A 28 f1.8, 35 1.8 and 50 1.8 bag of primes in one lens. Yeah, it’s big and heavy, but it replaces 3 lenses.
If they made an 18-30mm 1.8 equivalent version for Fuji X series I would buy it immediately.
It's huge but man isn't this insane
Sigma: "the USP of our lens is f1.8 covering 3 focal ranges"
le Chris * proceeds to shoot a crane at f16 and a model at f4 * 🙃
Absolutely because those shots worked better outside of f/1.8. You got some samples in there at 1.8 too.
it is time for sigma to make a modern 200-500mm f2.8 now
I like my 18-35/1.8. On Pentax there is nothing close. It covers the large gap in K mount portfolio for APS-C. I wonder what mirrorless APS-C remake will come in future... 16-50/1.8 would be perfect :)
I like focus breathing. Why is this a negative?
I'm curious to see what will Sigma pair it with. Maybe a 40-90mm f/1.8 ?
Why everyone forgets about the SIGMA 50-100mm f/1.8? Lol
I am blown away by the price, honestly expected to see it around $2k. My only complaint about this review is that it was a missed opportunity to do it at night to showcase it's low light capabilities.
because that is a crop lens.
Yeah its a pretty cool lens but I don't see that many reason to take that over a 24-70 2.8 with the Iso and IBIS in modern cameras you can easily compensate for the 1 stop
People keep saying not having 24mm is the deal breaker for "professionals" but at my place, the most popular lenses that wedding photographers/videographers are Tamron 28-75mm G1/G2, and Sigma 24-70mm doesn't have a chance to compete.
People tend to manufacture reasons to disqualify lenses that they're not purchasing.
It's not small, but for the right type of gig...
New upcoming trinity unlocked
Sigma makes the best lenses on the market at a better price than the competition
How about for apsc.
Great Job as always. Seems like a high quality lens - but such a niche focal length. Not wide enough for creative shots - and not long enough for portraits. Is this just a glorified 35mm prime?
I mean outside of the new auto focus performance, the 18-35 is a better buy so you have a universal lens and not one tied to a single system.
wish it would have been for Canon EF mount as to retrofit it to RF.
this is def being recorded on a GH7 considering it is coming out in 2 days
Would be ok with a f2 that went out to 85mm
How is the sharpness test here so widely different from Tony's?
Too big for street, too restrictive for landscapes and scenery, but probably great for low light event work. Not a lens for me but very cool!
This video is days old so they probably won't see this but @3:51 this is one of Chris' best shots and it's 35mm just sayin
So, shot on the Panasonic GH7. Nice one.
Another Giant Titanic lenses by Sigma
I fucking need this lens and I literally don't have a single fucking dollar 😢😢 Life is so unfair!
I think the 24-70 f 2.8 still offers more advantages despite the light difference.
What is "REDACTED"?
If only it is a 24-50 f1.8, then sigma would rule the world
Sony is rumored to have a 24-70mm f2 on the way. Might be worth waiting to see how it performs, though I'm sure it will be crazy expensive.
It’s Canon not Sony.
@@faociscoNo. I think you're thinking of the 28-70 that's been out for years. This is different.
@@pjw2000no,i have that one.
It’s rumored to come along with the 70-200 non-extending.
@@faociscoThen perhaps it's both or the rumor sites are incorrect, which is very possible. Sony Alpha Rumors has mentioned one coming for that brand.
Sigma and Tamron are the reasons why I'm on E mount.
redacted is latin for iphone 15 pro FYI