Also worth noting that the nightwave in effect right now also has a sobek aug in it that is pretty crazy. Every shot landed provides a 15% increase to status chance and multishot on the next reload up to 15 stacks. that's a 225% increase if you're not spamming. Something to mess around with when the time comes.
I wonder if this can be abused with fringe cases. For example, Xaku’s Gaze or Garuda’s Blood Altar. The enemy still counts as an enemy and has hit markers, so I wonder…
I got Tenet Glaxion Yesterday and it's same good as Kuva Nukor or Toroid Incarnon but Without forma. I shall forma it to maximum potential later today~
I built fully into status and Savvy, Magnetic progenitor, mod for viral rad heat mag, tons of status going out, and tons of shots, pretty fun so far, and hopefully the magnetic reword next patch will give it a good boost!
My Kuva Sobek is a thing of beauty, but I also had to valence fuse and got nearly the 60% mark. It's a great gun, and can't wait till riven dispo evens out for it. I have a +cold/Multishot/damage riven for it, so mine is with Primary Frostbite to keep stacking those multishot buffs
The new augments for both weapons in nightwave seem interesting too but will take a few weeks to properly check them out. The Glaxion mod in particular I think is going to define cold damage weapons post jade shadows update which overhauls elemental damage including the augment the weapon gets in nightwave.
Was running a full forma Sobek build before and loved the weapon. This will be so much better. Acid Shells with Saryn's 3 is godlike on this weapon👌 My body and SC + FR + Reload Riven I'm sitting on since years is ready🤡
@@knicklichtjedi Not sure about that (probably not, since it procs off enemy death, not projectiles), but Toxic Lash and Xatah's Whisper are unique in that they add a multishot instance with the attached damage type. And for some reason Toxic Lash and Xatah's Whisper stack multiplicatively. The overall damage per shot is still lower than going with Roar (without faction mods at least), but the amount of status procs you get is absolutely insane. Iirc on my Kuva Hek (at ~10%/pellet) I'd end up getting 20+ procs in a single shot. Without having to use the alt-fire for that. Again, the power of Xatah's + Toxic Lash is that they stack multiplicatively. Edit: Tested it, and it does procc off of enemy deaths. Which is insane, because it spreads a 1.25xStr multiplier to all your damage across the whole room. Way easier to nuke enemies with this, than Saryn's 4th ability...
BTW: noted that you metioned impact and the slow reload of Sobek. What you didn't mention though is that impact gives a huge boost to mercy kills, the magazine has a great capacity for a shotgun and there's a parazon mod that will instantly reload/refill your weapon with a mercy kill. HAVE FUN
Okay. I made a joke in another Kuva Sobek vid yesterday about Valence Formation Lavos loving this thanks to his augment double dipping on pre-existing elements. Hearing everything that Saryn brings to this weapon makes me see that Lavos may not be AS good with it as her. But would Lavos still be an excellent choice for this gun?
Wishthe Riven Disposition was the same, got a riven for the regular version: + 192% Damage + 146% MultiShot +122% Fire Rate - 96% Ammo Cap Empties its magazine (and the room you are standing in!) in under 2 seconds.
I haven’t used sobek or any other shotgun in ages! I remember when I used almost nothing but my Tigris.. so many options in Warframe it’s almost overwhelming 😂
shotguns are monstrous now pretty much with the Strun Prime being one of the strongest now with the incarnon variant and for non-incarnon based things Corinth is a beast but there's plenty of options now
in saryns case (or others that can abuse the acid shells, garuda, caliban, et al) it's on paper 99% just a sobek, since acid shells carries its damage so hard, but that 1% is made up of initial kill speed and better performance vs acolytes so that "on paper" buff is still pretty nice in practise. Still gonna swap to a outburst charged sporelacer or something to deal with said acolytes but nice to know for when you dont wanna use ceramic dagger for outburst i guess. if i had a big multishot/toxin riven I'd be tempted to still use regular sobek in saryns case for the dispo, otherwise happy enough with it, its a sobek that's crit viable, yey
Btw new nightwave. On what level You end up at last? I personaly got 104! aka 74 on creds plus basic 30. I did miss some dailies in some weeks but got all weekly~ And i forgot to leave for myself at least one cred as a keepsake. BIG SAD ;-; I do have single cred from even first nightwave :v Have a nice day if You read all that and good luck with nemesis hunting~
I have smite infusion on saryn that gets up to like 300% gonna get venom dose to do just about the same thing, and toxic lash giving me an extra 100+% so she’s nuking alr. I know once I get venom dose I’ll be set
when I pick this weapon up, I'm gonna check out it's interactions with Lavos. He does a 200% status effect buff with Valence Formation, which is much higher than the 82% I've seen on the Toxic Lash Saryn in this video. (There may be a difference to the 2 numbers above both these HUD elements, however, so correct me if i'm wrong) Then the room clearing potential would be even higher with this, correct?
The reason saryn has room clearing potential is that her 3rd ability applies a guaranteed poison proc on shots which happens to carry over to acid shells. Lavos will not receive such a benefit as normally acid shells is unaffected by such things.
Personally, i really liked the faster reload, even if its only a change to 2.1. just wish it didnt take the whole afternoon for me to get mine. Lich simply refused to spawn for two whole tiers
Is Acid Shells even worth it? I've seen a few testing videos showing that it only does damage based on the BASE health of the enemy not the health after Steel Path buffs, armor etc. Is it a situation where it only really shines on Saryn?
Toxic Lash also has a unique interaction in that it creates guaranteed toxin procs, including from the explosion of Acid Shells. So with her ability to full strip armor the damage is actually pretty overwhelming for enemies. Believe Xata Whisper will also function in a similar case (it would before the recent changes so not sure now) if you wanna create even more dmg instances.
I love Sobek Shells sooo much! One of my favorite loadouts in the entire game! Important note if you want to work on it further: Toxin damage green shards apply to the Toxic Slash damage which means better chaining!
i made a video of sobek like 6-7 years ago with acid shells and saryn now everyone is using it and im scared if it gets nerfed :( my poor baby of a build RIP if so.
No way it gets changes in the Jade update. They make changes based on usage stats and everyone is gonna be trying it for the next month or so whether it's good or not.
Hey Tato, my question isn't Warframe related, but Wayfinder related. What are your thoughts with the big changes they announced are coming to the game?
So what your saying is my 60% Toxin Sobek is essentially equal to the Germans saying that a Shotgun is a War crime back in 1918? Yeah ima looking forward to this.
Unfortunately it's objectively worse for an Acid Shells build. Acid Shells itself only scales off of faction damage. The DOTs that Saryn creates only scale off of toxin mods. Unfortunately, having a toxin progenitor doesn't increase Toxic Lash's damage the way adding a toxin damage mod does, the toxin bonus counts as your base damage and is ignored by the ability (and obviously, more base damage is also irrelevant to the damage of the Acid Shells itself). So all changing from the Sobek to the Kuva Sobek does in terms of your Acid Shells' damage, is decrease the disposition of a Toxin/Faction damage riven. Huge shame they didn't let it keep the base variants' dispo. Sure, it'll deal more up direct damage with the gun itself, and kill the initial target "easier", but Saryn should already be having no trouble one shotting even a level cap enemy with a regular Sobek, after stripping them with spores and buffing yourself with Toxic Lash/Roar.
Ok, two questions: first, how are you getting enemies that high level in the simulacrum? I can only go to 135. Second, why does your simulacrum look different and new? I only have default and ballroom available.
I'm personally not using this with Saryn. Magnetic progenitor, modded for Viral + Heat, and Acid Shells. Sure, not the strongest setup, but it kills anything I put in front of it without me needing to change a single mod.
Also worth noting that the nightwave in effect right now also has a sobek aug in it that is pretty crazy. Every shot landed provides a 15% increase to status chance and multishot on the next reload up to 15 stacks. that's a 225% increase if you're not spamming. Something to mess around with when the time comes.
I wonder if this can be abused with fringe cases. For example, Xaku’s Gaze or Garuda’s Blood Altar. The enemy still counts as an enemy and has hit markers, so I wonder…
@@Goodheartless it stacks up to 15 times. So they have a limit to how much it gets sadly
Imagine if they gave that augment to Glaxion instead. It would straight go to S tier weapon for sure.
@@AndrewChin-ck9uk Let me introduce you to Primary Frostbite ;)
@AndrewChin-ck9uk it's already insanely good. It's actually really surprising
Oh I'm getting this immediately. My favorite shotgun finally getting its well deserved variant.
A great time for me to come back. My beloved Sobek now has a big brother I can aim for
Glad they're adding to the mighty kuva catalog, and somewhat to the tenet (inferior in all aspects) blessed be the mighty ballistics of the grineer
The amount of tenets with melees is about the same, I wish there were more Kuva melees than just shildeg
@@HexaBurger Agreed like a kuva ghoul saw
@@captainhydrodus4616 yikes ghoul saw 🤢
If the kuva sobek couldn't be able to use the acid shells mod, I would explode dealing 450 Corrosive Damage (+45% of My Max Health) in a 15m radius.
The new augment looks even better on non-saryn builds
I got Tenet Glaxion Yesterday and it's same good as Kuva Nukor or Toroid Incarnon but Without forma. I shall forma it to maximum potential later today~
I built fully into status and Savvy, Magnetic progenitor, mod for viral rad heat mag, tons of status going out, and tons of shots, pretty fun so far, and hopefully the magnetic reword next patch will give it a good boost!
It should but if u use with saryn the toxic procs should get them first
My Kuva Sobek is a thing of beauty, but I also had to valence fuse and got nearly the 60% mark. It's a great gun, and can't wait till riven dispo evens out for it. I have a +cold/Multishot/damage riven for it, so mine is with Primary Frostbite to keep stacking those multishot buffs
which element did you aim for? Toxin?
The new augments for both weapons in nightwave seem interesting too but will take a few weeks to properly check them out. The Glaxion mod in particular I think is going to define cold damage weapons post jade shadows update which overhauls elemental damage including the augment the weapon gets in nightwave.
Thanks for the short, to the point, but informative video, Tater. I will be getting my Kuva Sobek today. Just need to stab my Lich. Much appreciated.
Hell yeah. My god roll riven has been waiting for this
I always enjoy your content tater, keep it up mate.
I built and modded my regular Sobek just a few weeks before this was announced, and got a riven for it... might as well port it on the kuva :)
I’m a go for a general build, as I don’t play Saryn much. Cold Sobek coming soon, just came out of picking up a Kuva zarr literally like 3 seconds ago
Was running a full forma Sobek build before and loved the weapon. This will be so much better. Acid Shells with Saryn's 3 is godlike on this weapon👌
My body and SC + FR + Reload Riven I'm sitting on since years is ready🤡
I have the Glaxion and the sobek built out but I'm waiting for the sobek augment to finish it. . I already got them both to 5 forna as well
Yep, Saryn. You just showed what made people happy (well, one of the reasons)
Xatas whisper is great with that combo
Does Xatahs apply to the Acid Shells hit as well?
@@knicklichtjedi not exactly sure how it works but xata bubbles spawn everywhere
@@knicklichtjedi Not sure about that (probably not, since it procs off enemy death, not projectiles), but Toxic Lash and Xatah's Whisper are unique in that they add a multishot instance with the attached damage type. And for some reason Toxic Lash and Xatah's Whisper stack multiplicatively. The overall damage per shot is still lower than going with Roar (without faction mods at least), but the amount of status procs you get is absolutely insane. Iirc on my Kuva Hek (at ~10%/pellet) I'd end up getting 20+ procs in a single shot. Without having to use the alt-fire for that.
Again, the power of Xatah's + Toxic Lash is that they stack multiplicatively.
Edit: Tested it, and it does procc off of enemy deaths. Which is insane, because it spreads a 1.25xStr multiplier to all your damage across the whole room. Way easier to nuke enemies with this, than Saryn's 4th ability...
@@knicklichtjedi It should, Whisper procs off Nova 4 Explosions (or at least it did before the recent change to it), but don't quote me just yet.
BTW: noted that you metioned impact and the slow reload of Sobek. What you didn't mention though is that impact gives a huge boost to mercy kills, the magazine has a great capacity for a shotgun and there's a parazon mod that will instantly reload/refill your weapon with a mercy kill. HAVE FUN
I can't wait for mine :) i have a cd ms pt neg imp riven I've had forever now.
As a Saryn main i been using a tricked out Tenet Arca Plasmor but im gonna have a test session with this
Okay. I made a joke in another Kuva Sobek vid yesterday about Valence Formation Lavos loving this thanks to his augment double dipping on pre-existing elements. Hearing everything that Saryn brings to this weapon makes me see that Lavos may not be AS good with it as her. But would Lavos still be an excellent choice for this gun?
Wishthe Riven Disposition was the same, got a riven for the regular version:
+ 192% Damage
+ 146% MultiShot
+122% Fire Rate
- 96% Ammo Cap
Empties its magazine (and the room you are standing in!) in under 2 seconds.
I haven’t used sobek or any other shotgun in ages! I remember when I used almost nothing but my Tigris.. so many options in Warframe it’s almost overwhelming 😂
shotguns are monstrous now pretty much with the Strun Prime being one of the strongest now with the incarnon variant and for non-incarnon based things Corinth is a beast but there's plenty of options now
in saryns case (or others that can abuse the acid shells, garuda, caliban, et al) it's on paper 99% just a sobek, since acid shells carries its damage so hard, but that 1% is made up of initial kill speed and better performance vs acolytes so that "on paper" buff is still pretty nice in practise. Still gonna swap to a outburst charged sporelacer or something to deal with said acolytes but nice to know for when you dont wanna use ceramic dagger for outburst i guess.
if i had a big multishot/toxin riven I'd be tempted to still use regular sobek in saryns case for the dispo, otherwise happy enough with it, its a sobek that's crit viable, yey
My sobek riven had -99% status duration, so lower dispo is a blessing.
Btw new nightwave. On what level You end up at last? I personaly got 104! aka 74 on creds plus basic 30. I did miss some dailies in some weeks but got all weekly~ And i forgot to leave for myself at least one cred as a keepsake. BIG SAD ;-;
I do have single cred from even first nightwave :v
Have a nice day if You read all that and good luck with nemesis hunting~
so u guys think the best element to get on it if you're using saryn with it is the toxic one over the heat one?
I wonder if the toxic lash interaction is gonna get nerfed now that it's in the spotlight.
Good video 'Tater :D
I went for glaxion it crazy fun not incarnon strong but def a great lich pick
Me waiting for the Tigris incarnon that I thought they'd come out with first because it need the buff the most.
I've got an OG 6 forma sobek from back in the day lol
I have smite infusion on saryn that gets up to like 300% gonna get venom dose to do just about the same thing, and toxic lash giving me an extra 100+% so she’s nuking alr. I know once I get venom dose I’ll be set
when I pick this weapon up, I'm gonna check out it's interactions with Lavos. He does a 200% status effect buff with Valence Formation, which is much higher than the 82% I've seen on the Toxic Lash Saryn in this video. (There may be a difference to the 2 numbers above both these HUD elements, however, so correct me if i'm wrong) Then the room clearing potential would be even higher with this, correct?
The reason saryn has room clearing potential is that her 3rd ability applies a guaranteed poison proc on shots which happens to carry over to acid shells. Lavos will not receive such a benefit as normally acid shells is unaffected by such things.
@@SigmaGuardian66 well i think it will still be cool to do elemental explosions with the elemental warframe
Personally, i really liked the faster reload, even if its only a change to 2.1. just wish it didnt take the whole afternoon for me to get mine. Lich simply refused to spawn for two whole tiers
With acid shells, would it be redundant with punch through mods?
Something to outdo my Tigris Prime on my Saryn? Yes please.
Tater we are eating so good lately
It's awesome!
Tim's to go back to my roots
I decided to get the glax and it is so strong I’m having tons of fun with it
I'm actually gonna go for that today lol
Saryn Sobek letsgooo
Me already using a Sobeck Riven that turns it into a machine gun, even with the down grade :D
the riven dispo:💀
Have u posted a recent video of ur saryn build?
Not yet
Is Acid Shells even worth it? I've seen a few testing videos showing that it only does damage based on the BASE health of the enemy not the health after Steel Path buffs, armor etc. Is it a situation where it only really shines on Saryn?
Pretty much, yea
Toxic Lash also has a unique interaction in that it creates guaranteed toxin procs, including from the explosion of Acid Shells. So with her ability to full strip armor the damage is actually pretty overwhelming for enemies. Believe Xata Whisper will also function in a similar case (it would before the recent changes so not sure now) if you wanna create even more dmg instances.
why does it need punch through!?
Neat upgrade
I love Sobek Shells sooo much!
One of my favorite loadouts in the entire game! Important note if you want to work on it further: Toxin damage green shards apply to the Toxic Slash damage which means better chaining!
Anyone know what syandana hes using?
i made a video of sobek like 6-7 years ago with acid shells and saryn now everyone is using it and im scared if it gets nerfed :( my poor baby of a build RIP if so.
Damm, I have a cold progenitor on my sobek should I just try and go for a heat or toxin one instead
No cold is great for a Saryn setup but I went heat to use it with other frames.
@@TacticalPotato Well damm, I didn’t see this until now and went and got myself a heat sobek. guess I can have the best of both now but thank you!
We are So Bek
Yo Sh Ki Yo No
saryn Build pls
I love how they try to nerf saryn but then they add something that buffs her even more
tenet glaxion needs it's riven dispo to go up asap.
Just wait for Jade Shadows, it'll go up then 👍
No way it gets changes in the Jade update. They make changes based on usage stats and everyone is gonna be trying it for the next month or so whether it's good or not.
@@tomj819 mb, dispos gets changed every prime access, I thought they got changed every update for some reason
Someone tell me the intro song. It hit hard. Ngl
In description
0:53 you guys use apostrophes as decimals?
he's just being quirky
already at max rank lol
like damn son, did you even sleep
8hrs of sleep. Max rank takes no time. 😂
Hey Tato, my question isn't Warframe related, but Wayfinder related. What are your thoughts with the big changes they announced are coming to the game?
Check previous video
@@TacticalPotato Cheer bruv! 🍻
Why bother with Kuva or Tenent when Incarnons exist?
Because the game has a lotta weapons in it?
Limbo plus Acid shells
Eww limbo 😝
@@emanuelmendoza9613 lol
So what your saying is my 60% Toxin Sobek is essentially equal to the Germans saying that a Shotgun is a War crime back in 1918?
Yeah ima looking forward to this.
Ran 11 missions on Cassini early this morning to try and get it, didn't, but I'll try later today after work.
Unfortunately it's objectively worse for an Acid Shells build.
Acid Shells itself only scales off of faction damage.
The DOTs that Saryn creates only scale off of toxin mods. Unfortunately, having a toxin progenitor doesn't increase Toxic Lash's damage the way adding a toxin damage mod does, the toxin bonus counts as your base damage and is ignored by the ability (and obviously, more base damage is also irrelevant to the damage of the Acid Shells itself).
So all changing from the Sobek to the Kuva Sobek does in terms of your Acid Shells' damage, is decrease the disposition of a Toxin/Faction damage riven. Huge shame they didn't let it keep the base variants' dispo.
Sure, it'll deal more up direct damage with the gun itself, and kill the initial target "easier", but Saryn should already be having no trouble one shotting even a level cap enemy with a regular Sobek, after stripping them with spores and buffing yourself with Toxic Lash/Roar.
Ok, two questions: first, how are you getting enemies that high level in the simulacrum? I can only go to 135. Second, why does your simulacrum look different and new? I only have default and ballroom available.
I'm personally not using this with Saryn. Magnetic progenitor, modded for Viral + Heat, and Acid Shells. Sure, not the strongest setup, but it kills anything I put in front of it without me needing to change a single mod.
i got a riven with punch thru, dmg, ms -impact is it a godroll?
1 dispo so pretty pointless. Might aswell sell jt
godroll is toxin,puncht,multi neg impact. one is one warframe market 30 k pl
No, but pretty good
both are bad, very conditional Sobek only good with Saryn unfortunately
Me laughing in sobek riven.
Just another MR fodder weapon.
1st
I think its still mid 😅
mid
Ah cool, there's actually something to do in warframe.
There’s always something to do in warframe. Just most of those things are either not worth it, take a long time, or both. Sadly, I all to addicted
mediocre at best...and forma dumping...thats what these guns are....
Fuck faction mods.