Oswald Spengler: Germans & Englishmen
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Interesting vid but that's hardly right regarding sport, you picked a couple of examples. The upper classes loved their cricket, rugby, even hockey (all very much team sports).
Thank you form germany. My people
have forgotten who they are and live in
denial of their nature.
Arminius, octavius wants to know if he can have his legions back lol
He got his facts wrong mister masterrace. The Britons are Island people and Anglo Celts and NOT of your blood. Maybe that's why they win and your mob ALWAYS looses. So scurry back to Berlin and shut your mouth.
diarmuid Last no, modern dna analysis shows that he is exactly right, modern britons and Prussians or northern germans are genetically virtually the same. Southern germans are more mixed European
@@shillaryclingon1323 Wrong. DNA analysis shows little Saxon or Slavic influence. And little Roman or Norman either. Basically the same peoples who populated these islands are the same ones here today. And if you think about it then how could it be any other way. The small amount of invaders were quickly diluted into the native population. It is English arrogance all over again just the Saxon version this time. As for "Prussians", you mean half Slavs. There are no pure "Aryans" there either except in the minds of deluded German people .
Diarmuid last are you scared? You should be.God bless.
This also reveals why English individualism doesn't work when surrounded by enemies in your land; when stuck in a Prussian situation.
@Witchfinder Nielsen well said.
@Witchfinder Nielsen Top einsicht.
Fascinating topic. It's interesting to consider the challenges of the American education system in that the Prussian public education system was adopted, and it has largely been a disaster in the US. It was probably doomed from the start.
Where a people evolved and adapted in is how they're going to act for as long as they're around. When the English went to America for example they often settled in coastal and surrounding areas. When the Germans settled they went into in-land America.
I think the problem in both countries has been they have been subjected to no natural selection for long periods of time (other than 2 World Wars were they essentially, uselessly killed each other in, killing mass number of Warrior genes). So this desire for the English to be free and the Germans desire to serve haven't been able to go anywhere. The English desire to be free is now based on an animalistic sense which basically consumerism. And the German desire to serve has been turned into this morphed view of helping everyone in Germany regardless of them being actually German or not.
Well said!
Quality take
I don't think the Germans feel the same need to serve the other as they would themselves. It's only come about because they're natural collectivist instinct for serving their own people has been pathologized, so they're now doing the exact opposite of that instinct to try and show they are good people; this is not only having a corrosive effect on their society, but is causing them intense psychological damage en masse.
@@toniputin1096 What you say could be applied to Sweden as well.
English and the Scots did not just settle in coastal areas of what is now the US. They were the pioneers going west from the east coast, fighting the Indians that were putting arrows in their backs, not the German immigrants.
The German immigrants into the US had it easy, as the English/Scottish immigrants going west had already fought off the American Indians, for the most part.
Most of the German immigrants showed in mass during the 1860’s, well after the English and Scottish immigrants arrived during the mid 1700’s.
An alliance of the German and the Anglo would be enough to surpass any other alliance or civilisation be it the Chinese or Russians. Oswald Spengler ought to have been heeded in his words rather than ignored to be honest.
In 1914, during Christmas, should have continued.to this day between these two.
I think everyone is beginning to realise that Briton should have made peace in 1941...
Well we just left a german-anglo alliance. funny world.
Jafman you mean a judeo anglo alliance. Germany has been occupied by «the allies» since 1945 and then nato. Its not like any sovereign german authority opted into the eu.
@@norsemanbushcrafting1621 judeo-judeo then
Spengler was completely right about everything
idk about "everything" but he was right about a lot of things, that's for sure. A truly great mind.
NO
Everything?
@White Working Class Pride She insisted to not be called "Devi", but Savitri Devi, or simply Savitri. We should respect it.
No. Genetics has proved he was WRONG about everything. Deal with that.
Spengler is a very interesting thinker, and while I agree with him on this I would also add that I don't think the English are going to be permanently stuck in this individualistic form that we are so familiar with.
Whenever I consider the redcoats fighting in the colonies or against foreign powers in Europe you can see the edges of English individualism fray as the soldiers return to Germanic instincts and produce an unbreakable loyalty and trust in each other, and to the central military authority. Additionally, in terms of art, England’s renaissance was defined by theatre, in which all members of the acting and stage crew must co-ordinate themselves perfectly as a group and were directed by the words of the central authority: the playwright, which is a very group based dynamic.
Looking at English history you can always see Germanic socialism bleed out in very mute but important forms, especially in times of difficulty or strife, which gives me immense hope for the future as the peace gradually deteriorates, and England will be forced back into it’s Germanic instincts that have been screaming to re-emerge since the post Anglo-Saxon era.
Time to learn old english then?
The Blackshirt movement can be seen as an example. Shame it got compromised.
I do think we fare a lot better under Monarchy with mutual aid societies and strong religious belief
@@morgang5666 Read your own sentence once again and it will make sense.
The Blackshirt movement didn't work preceisely because it didn't appeal to the actual English individualist spirit of most British men
@@babyblue-jj1be That's why we are losing today.
The J's and M's are both collectivist and are taking over everything.
Fascism isn't 100% collectivist like Marxism is. It can work here and almost did. Chamberlain and Churchill's financial masters rigged the election.
Listening to this video made me realise that in a sense, the Anglo-Saxon has already conquered the world. The British empire was not the end of Anglo hegemony, but just the beginning, because ultimately even with the breakdown of the British Empire, the spread of American style capital to all the corners of the globe have essentially perpetuated and strengthened the traditional Anglo philosophy of every man for himself. In the modern day, we have finally achieved our dream of world domination, only to realise that what really matters in life has nothing to do with the amount of lands you've conquered, or the people you've subdued or the amount of treasure you've hoarded, but YOUR own people and God. The Germans were right all along. We should have listened to our brothers.
Now please fix your mess.
different flags, same master. the money changers. its been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years. american style capital lol. but yes, no more brother wars, time to strike the base of the hydra instead. its the only solution to end this satanic cancer which has been a parasite upon our peoples for far too long.
@@jamesstone9091 Lol I only said American style because I didn't want my comment to get shoah'd
@@tripleswee4099 hairy muff mate , have a good day
Gibberish. The English way pre-loss of Christianity arguably represents the acme of human civilisation. Your problem is Godlessness - get back to God.
German checking in from Canada. Appreciate the video Morgoth.
One thing I remember being struck by in my German literature class back in uni (taught by a brilliant Englishman) was the contrast between the relatively stunted imperialist initiatives by the Germans (pre and post unification) vs the English who were infinitely more active internationally in such endeavours.
Thanks for devoting your time to this topic, really like your channel. Cheers.
Germany also had to spend far more resources on managing it's neighbors, and less sea access compared to Britain.
The Germans and English are so different, yet so similar. The competition between the two led to the West’s greatest triumphs and greatest disasters. They brought us modern medicine, technology, and organization methods, all on top of spreading Christianity to the world. They also caused both world wars which brought us to our regrettable current situation.
Dont want to bang the same drum over and over like an autist, but can spreading christianity to the world be argued as a good thing? The universal nature at the heart of its theological doctrine has smothered the world in its entropy, a divine mandate for chuckle-head boomers to import millions of third-worlders into Europe. Is a christian nigeria doing europe any good? Or a Christian Mexico for America? I would argue not. Everything else you said I agree with.
Yog-Sothothery With all due respect, I find people who make these kinds of assertions severely lacking in their understanding of Christianity and God. Biblical doctrines have been bastardized in the same way that almost everything has in modern society. In fact, it was sound doctrine that was the first thing that had to be dismantled in order for the rest of the rot to set in. Christianity is not a universalist or egalitarian religion by any stretch of the imagination. The God of the Bible is the very source of hierarchy, differentiation between the races and ethnicities, and, for lack of a better word, anti-globalism. I encourage you to look into the matter further. I notice that right wing anti Christians buy into the very same interpretation of the scripture that the smoothbrained boomers do, the only difference being that the right wingers see it as a negative rather than a positive.
Regarding the Christian foreigners overtaking us, do you really believe that it is their Christianity that is a threat to us, or that their Christian nature is what is bringing them here? I would say that that is unlikely, and that you believe, as I do, that the problem is fundamentally racial and cultural, and that there are other forces at work creating this problem in our country. Giving Christianity to the peoples of the world threatens us in no way, and serves as a civilizing agent to the peoples that received it. Beyond that, it gives the few of them that really internalize it the possibility of salvation, which I see as a positive.
Thumos Aeterna See my long winded and neck bearded comment lol
@Thumos Aeterna Spreading Islam and being colonised by the French would have been worse.
@@goodmorningweimerica9741 I would agree that originally Christianity was not a universalist religion, but has undergone a gradual change more in line with this doctrine, ever since it first began being preached and given over wholesale to the gentiles in opposition to its original Jewish base. But then this then underlies the problem with this way of thinking. The doctrine is apparently so malleable and fluid that it can be interpreted by anyone to fit the needs of any group for any age. God is the source of hierarchy, according to which of the myriad interpretations, including those who reject hierarchy? God is the cause of the differentiation of races, focuses solely on the Jewish race with Jews featuring as the main protagonists in all of the scripture? It Is anti-globalism, yet there is no problem in spreading it wholesale to other races? The idea of a original Christianity whose god is the source of all these things is such a nebulous concept that you'll be denounced by screaming zealots the moment you voice such an opinion. You would think a consistent theology would not be a problem what with it being written down, but then it is still subject to a whole spectrum of interpretation. And thus we arrive at Christian NGO's ferrying in Africans by the boatloads to Europe.
I've looked into it more and tried to understand it's supposed value, but it just doesn't compute with me. A book with entire chapters devoted to the genealogy of various Jewish patriarchs and the lineage of Jesus should be enough to make any European turn his gaze away from it. What is such a work when compared with the heroic accomplishments of ones own people, The Iliad, The Aeneid, etc.. I just don't think I need saving by a Jewish man who died in the middle east at the hands of his ethnic counterparts. A mystery cult from the 2nd Century A.D. is not the beginning of history.
It boils down to the Germans judging a man by who he is, and the English by what he has. I wholeheartedly reject the latter.
Not all Englisc judge people by what they have or haven't got. Those who usually have everything are usually the worst people you could ever meet.
I find the two worldview to be fascinating to review and thing about, they highlight how we arrived at where we are today in such a dejected and depressed state as a people.
The late German Empire seemed to have mastered noblesse oblige. Otto Von Bismarck was able to deflate proto-Marxists and liberals through forging a stronger bond between the combined workers and middle class to the Prussian State, through shrewd reform. The Prussian authorities in the late 19th century embodied the benevolent paternalistic leadership, eventually, gave rise to National Socialism, in the aftermath of WW1.
On the contrary, the English seemed to have thrown the duty-based conceptualization of community out of the window in the aftermath of the English Civil War, where, in my opinion, the Royalists were the last bulwark against international financiers; Cromwell's government overturned the Edict of Expulsion set in place by King Edward I in 1290, sealing the fate of the English people to be ruled by international capital.
One aspect which may be learned from this dichotomy is how the Germanic worldview, and Germanic soul orientation, gives rise to a healthy, homogeneous, nation-state that works together towards a desirable future. The nobility of heart, courage, strength, industry, loyalty and wisdom, which the Germanic worldview encapsulated, are far closer to knightly conduct than any amount of wealth could endow; one may have money, but money cannot buy class, it's innate (all nobles where once common man, elevated by deeds on ancestors).
@Rusty Hussler thank you my friend
This is so important I can't understand why it isn't taught in schools.
Adrian Roberts If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say it's because Western Academia has been so thoroughly subverted that it's now a detriment to the minds of our youth. The Faustian spirit is the last thing "they" want white children learning about. The schools of today are unrelenting in their efforts to crush the spirit of our youth through shaming, guilt trips and the erasure of history. They're striking at our roots, hoping they'll be able to subdue the essence of our future generations.
@@whosursulahaverbecklookitu7895 Well I think they should be forced to re-apply for their jobs!
You really can't understand why..? Come on now.
@@misterkefir I was doing a thing called naïveté. It's a shame to have to explain it.
It isn't taught in schools because it's so important.
Anyone with any sense comes to the third position eventually
And that's.....a Bitchute special😂
@jeff deathrage That's patently untrue. Third Positionism is a populist ideology so it appeals to the broad masses. The only issue is it's been demonised by the 2% for the 80% who agree with all of it's tenants if they are presented to them in isolation but when given it's name they reject it because it's what they've been trained to do. The job of the dissident is to break through their conditioning.
@@ActionMan965 Bitchute have been removing Mr Bond Videos..
Shitty
@@volcelraptor3983 "third positionism is a populist ideology" in the 1930s perhaps. Go out in the streets of a capital city of any western nation today and ask the people which 'position' they prefer. The third one will be the least popular by a mile.
No more Brother Wars,What could of been
Sorry but from a german, or maybe even continental, perspective nobody in their right mind would ally with britain after they let other people fight and die their war for them and on top of that abandonded them when they needed them the most in the last 2 major conflicts of humanity.
It's a true damn shame that the Anglo-Saxons were manipulated and subverted by the you know who's :(. Now all Whites are suffering the consequences unfortunately.
Without WW 1 and 2 and if borders were shut to the 3rd world I think we would be a generation away from Star Trek
I am a Brother who has German, polish, Prussian and African heritage. We need no war, but for that you transatlantic westerners have to stop the globalist conspiracy and reform the NATO and reform EU and make peace with Russia
You didn't tell me anything I didn't knew one way or the other but I never heard it so condensed and well explained. Spot on!
Sargon would find this video affronting to his sovereign individual sensibilities
the only thing that fat ponce nonce finds as an affront is not getting his shill cheque at the end of the month
ronfan69 good thing we don’t give a shit about that
Sounds like someone isnt redpilled on personal liberty
more this length please
I second that.
I suppose it was inevitable that we were the first to leave the EU state.
It does make sense.
The Brits were initially seduced into it by being convinced it would just be a free trade zone, then when it became apparent that it was going to be this overregulated centralised nightmare you started having second thoughts. lol
As much as I cringe at boomers who say the EU is equivalent to a Fourth Reich (or less frequently an "EUSSR") there is somewhat of a grain of truth to that. The relatively collectivistic leaning of the continent is alien to the English sensibility.
@@Snaut1 indeed, although the EU simply became a corrupt bureaucracy trying to leech from states and control them, not Prussian socialism.
@@The_Custos The EU become the logical extension of Prussian socialism. They were able to "leech" from the constituent member states because the EU was "the state" relative to the constituent member states being "the citizen" within the confines of the Prussian socialist framework. It was "their duty" to take of their own resources and give to the EU superstate. Guy Verhofstadt has said as much himself on many occasions. czcams.com/video/r3XZJ4znl00/video.html
@@cstgraphpads2091 it just seems like poorly justified corruption though, because a unified collective isn't, ideally, a bureaucracy fleecing a series of nations/peoples. The Prussians were also quite efficient, and not about replacing their people with Africans. 😏
My German blood was screaming out while watching this. A train letting loose the wrath of its own horn as its speed becomes incredibly fast. A drive towards one's own way of being, finding his belonging to the higher order. My destiny becomes clearer than at any other point. I will act as an extension of the order that I know by my blood.
HAIL
Found the American lol
@@StockpileThomas1 ay lmao, the american - 2% german blood who probably has 50% native american blood.
W.A.S.P...'Blood and Soil'
Above all...European!
The leaders wearing the business suit or a military uniform says it succinctly.
What a treat to come home to a video by morgoth
Ditto,
I feel like a kid at Christmas because I’ve only recently discovered jis channel.
I gotta Morgoth crash course coming up this weekend!
I was a high school exchange student in Hamburg in '85. I'm from the rural Midwestern US so I never saw anything like it. American cities are car oriented; Hamburg was an endless like a hive of five-story buildings -- no parking lots, a real city. Having said that, Hamburg is considered the most English of German cities. The Hamburg accent is non-rhotic and quite English-sounding. The spiritual connection with England was clear.
All of your videos are great but this is something I could listen to all day.
Spengler was a prophet.
Not a prophet. He was simply very good at analyzing history.
Which makes one sort of a prophet I guess... 🙂
Brucey Boy GB the genetic difference between celt and Anglo is utterly non existent
@@admiralkipper4540 This is not true, but it is quite small. Both have the same root and their was a border region were both mingled, out of free will or by force. The Germns thus have a celtic substrate everywhere outside their "Urheimat" in northern Germany and Jutland. The Angles, Saxons and Jutes came from this very region though. We can actually see that the modern English average at around 50% germanic DNA and 50% insular celtic, with several smaller traces of different populations in individuals.
Terrific summary, thank you!
Ever since discovering Spengler several years ago I've found his writing to consistently hit home.
I picked up a 100ish year vintage copy of "Decline of the West" at a flea market. Didnt even know who Oswald was till I grabbed it for 2 bucks.
Jammy bugger
You're a legend, Morgoth. I sat through that entire essay without a single pause. They're going to come after you.
Keith woods is doing a series on the great philosophers,I hinted at maybe one on Spengler,so to see you doing this is just freakin awesome....Thanks
GEORGE OHWELL 74 Keith woods goes over most people’s heads. At least morgoth explains the concepts in simple terms most folk will understand. Woods needs to explain things in basic terms as well as using complex phraseology.
@@PilotChris06FW I agree with you,I won't pretend I understand everything Keith goes over for I don't,but he is a deep fella, and so is ol morgoth ,but with two completely different styles.
Its interesting how Spengle talks about big banks but doesn't talk about the power behind them
Isn't it obvious throughout history, though? It's not the counter help who cashes your check, it's the owner of the bank. Pretty sure the answer is there. Your whinge seems like someone saying, "sure it's water, but why aren't you telling us it's Aitch Too Oh, that's the REAL answer."
the first big bank was by House of Medici, all ethnic Italians
Churchill was an ethnic Englishman. Start taking more responsibility for your mess, it didnt all happen on its own.
Darwinism fits with individualism, but it also fits a collectivist model.
Many are still in the phase of denial about the collective aspect.
@@prins424 True. Funny thing is that Darwin wasn't...that long ago for all to see. If Darwin is dropped, all science and rationality is also dropped. The other illusion re Darwin, capitalised on by many (such that it came to be equated with his thought) including the charlatan S Jay-Gould, was that population change was always slow, gradual and even.
Grüße aus Deutschland, viel Glück euch.
@Anima Vielen dank Liebe aus England 👍❤👍
The German character also produced the most Idealist and systematising thought in Continental philosophy.
Not that keen on spengler tbh. Even if we accept generalisations for what they are, he applies his methodology inconsistently. Also his "faustian" stuff is precisely what is wrong with the west in my view. It is a restlessness that comes from having been uprooted from our original worldview. It would have been better if, like China we built a great civilisation in Europe and closed ourselves off from the rest of the world instead of spreading out.
Learning about China at the moment. Yeah it does look like we would've held together better as Europeans under that "civilization state" model as it's called.
I like that take. It's paying off in china for sure, they don't suffer from alot of what the west does. Not that they're perfect.
Houston Stewart-Chamberlain is worth reading, 'the foundation of the 19th century' goes into the differences between the English & Germans too.
Carl Jung believed Chamberlain was a symptom of the reawakening of Wotan & Alfred Rosenberg believed he'd taught the Germans to be German again, very interesting.
well worth a read
@@109x3 Yes, there's no question that there is no National Socialism without Chamberlain. What's interesting is that he was so fanatically German in every way imaginable, despite being British. He certainly has some insights as to the differences between the two, not dissimilar from Spengler (who most probably was deeply influenced by Chamberlain).
1.0 Chamberlain
2.0 Rosenberg
The influence of Gobineau on Chamberlain can't be ignored though
@@menefrego5347 Chamberlain, Gobineau, Stoddadd & Rosenberg are in the same vain, Savitri Devi, Miguel Serrano & Guido von List could be argued in the same category. Rosenberg was more Nordicist in his outlook, whereas Chamberlain gives a unique vantage point of being more German than Germans whilst also being British. It's a good insight into his thought of what makes the 2 different.
The question is, can the Anglosphere West break free of this materialist paradigm in which its elite is a predatory banking class which foments war and demographic displacement? If such a shift were to occur, what kind of order would replace the old plutocratic model?
That's the question.
Interesting add. The French under Napoleon view Britain as sort of decadent Carthage and France as virtuous Rome against perfidious Albion.
Very informative. Thanks Morgoth.
Wonderful stuff MORGOTH !! More please !!
Who are the best people in the world? That settled it for me....it's the Germans. As an Englishman I happily concede.
I don’t think Spengler would want you to submit to him like this and I don’t think he hated the anglos as a people or a culture. He was just looking at the two people with a realistic and pragmatic view. I think he admired anglos in some regards.
@@someguy3104 I detect no hate either and my conceding is a sign of my sincerest admiration for the Germans. Nobility, duty to the greater good and society trumps our cynical individualism.
But you English are head to head with the Germans! Man for man the Germans beat you so you run crying to America. But I as Norwegian recognize the strength and beauty in both of you southern giants. I want the spirit of Christmas 1914 to reverberate through eternity.
The English are a type of German, but they.ve been changed by the 'Celticness' of Britain and mannered by the Normans.
Not to mention traumatized by the Viking Invasions, which at their height were functionally an almost successful Pagan Germanic Reconquista of Anglo-Saxon Christendom.
Very enjoyable. You even get this sense through story telling. Take Hansel and Gretel. In a heavily forested area outside of their boundary, the material and base wants led them to a witch who wanted to consume them. Compare that to something like Arthurian Quests, where each knight has an individual personality and tasks to achieve, but make up a more lose union. One says the material world will consume you, the other says conquer and obtain it, like the Grail.
Isn't the Holy Grail supposed to represent inner spiritual enlightenment, which is immaterial?
@@Snaut1 They get that across by making it a material object to be sought after. It's not to say that they're materialistic in the same way we see it today, but it's not a straight forward monastic spiritualism either. Making spiritual enlightment into a material thing conveyed it in a way they easily understood.
‘’Thus the white peoples of the world foresee a time when their land with its rivers and mountains still lies under heaven as it does today, but other people dwell there; when their language is entombed in books, and their laws and customs have lost their living power.”
― Franz Rosenzweig, a near contemporary of Spengler , also exploring the fate of nations.
This video was a hell of an undertaking! Very impressive.
This crystallises the uphill struggle ahead for the Englishman on a level that is rarely, if ever, broached.
We developed differently as we have spent longer under conquest than our teutonic brothers, also as we are on an island, it was easier to contain us and brain wash us more completely when conquered as there was no where else to go and no one else to speak to to de condition ourselves and return to our own way of being.
This has been very interesting considering, despite my last name, I was raised by my mother's Pennsylvania German/Irish side of my family. As you and Spengler were describing the Prussians, I realized how I naturally identify with their philosophy. I was always drawn to NatSoc Germany, even from a child and after I was indoctrinated on how bad they were and had an obsession for the faceless, helmeted Teutonic Knights on my adolescence.
I was always confused with your judgement of how America is nothing more than a liberal ideal at it's core, when I personally thought of it as very Patriotic and "what's best for me is what's best for every one" kind of philosophy; a community pact that competed in Capitalism to provide for the community with more affordable goods and services, promoting innovation and industry and wielding it's power to decisively dominate and stabilize it's territory. I never questioned it's core and only thought it was being incrementally subverted after the beginning of the 20th century.
Thanks for making this video, I owe you a pint. It's given me a lot of food for thought.
What would you, or Spengler, then make of Japan? Very similar to England in the sense of being an island nation which went hard for Collectivism as opposed to the English Individualism
That's an interesting one, Japan was feudal for most of it's history and deeply inward looking. However I they didn't collectivize in the Prussian sense until after coming into contact with Faustian Man and western technology and money.
Amaury de Riencourt in his “Soul of China” (where he looks at China through a Spenglerian lens) describes in great detail how the Japanese changed the inward soul of their civilization, which had previously been a “moonlight civilization” to a Faustian one while retaining their cultural forms.
Well not only am I part English and German but sadly born in the USA as well....
What needs to be considered is the fact that Latin and Germanic cultures have been battling for the leading position in the advance of Western civilization.European History can be simplified (overly so for the fact of simplification itself as a method of clarification on the matter) as a competition between Latin and German culture.. Both have held leading roles and both had attained growth from the other at different points... Modern Europe and the larger west is also a product of these two cultures actions in history, Eg: England being a child of Germanic culture for the most part and France being a Child of Latin culture, each having periods of dominance over it as a nation by one or the other culture.. Both Latin and Germanic culture also having a unique/different internal European origin point Ethnically and geographically. (Italy and Germany / Italians and Germans)
Yes, and that's why a key turning point in recorded European history was the annihilation of 3 Roman Legions by Germanic tribes at Teutoberg in 9 AD. The continued expansion of Rome (the Latin) into continental Europe was dealt a significant blow -- and it's interesting to note that it was that part of Germany that would be the point of origin of the Sachsen (Saxon) tribe, along with the Alemanii. Part of the Saxon tribe re-locating en masse to the Island of Britain approx. 400 AD. The Latin / Germanic divide in Europe has existed from the beginning of the continent's recorded history even up to the present day, and can be seen again with radical differences in societal structure, economies of EU nations (North vs. South, eg. Germany vs. Greece)
This is a bigger cause of cultural divide than we think. Princess Victoria was the daughter of Queen Victoria and saw herself as a standard bearer of English liberal values when she married into the Prussian royal family. There was a certain resistance to her assumption of English moral superiority in the court in Prussia where she never achieved any real popularity, despite being spouse the the heir to the Prussian throne. Her son reacted strongly against this maternal influence of mother and grandmother and he very much embraced his Germanic side. While admiring some aspects of the English achievement, he was very conscious of his permanent and deep separation from a culture that always looked down their nose on him and his people. That son became the German ruler we know as "Kaiser Bill" - dedicated to overthrowing English imperial superiority - a struggle which was played out in the First World War
every european should see this video.
sargon did a absolutely horrible video on this topic, after which i unsubbed him for good (should have done that long before)
sargons take was incredibly anti german and completely uncritical of liberalism. thank you morgoth, for telling the truth
If Sargon doesn't see any problem with liberalism he has cast out his own eyes.
@White Working Class Pride nope and thats part of the problem
Socialism with hierarchy and a sense of obligation and duty. Interest peaked.
It is worth pointing out that, while Anglo-Saxons and later additions like the Vikings are Germanics, the ancient people of the British Isles (and I'm including Ireland) are primarily western hunter-gatherers and Mediterranean farmers in terms of their genetics. Thus, the modern Briton has only a relatively small portion of his or her genetics coming from Germanic or Nordic sources. Of course, this also means that over the years through all the mixing of closely related peoples, the people of the British Isles in even the fairly distant past are all closely related to each other, even if they speak different languages and have some different cultural norms. This is similar to what happened in North America and in some respects in South Africa - an ethnogenesis of an almost entirely distinct new white people group. National mentality and so on as described by Spengler is the social construct, and not race as the left-liberal wants us to believe!
@Carmicha3l indeed. It seems as though the Romans didn't do too much hooking up with the locals in Britain, which is something that has always struck me as odd considering they definitely didn't refrain in other parts of the world they went to - Gaul and Hispania specifically.
@@Arkeo36 they was good girls back then, no fratanising with the Legions.
@@stan1050 their fathers must have raised them right.
There's also the demographic and cultural shift caused by the Gaelic invasion as they were pushed out of Gaul by Caesar.
Great video Morgoth very informative 👍
English being more 'Viking' isn't surprising to me, Vikings weren't really German after the days of Charlemagne with the exception of Denmark I guess.
Norman invasion of England was like the last successful Viking invasion.
Watch Ryder and dont forget that the danes kept sending priests to Norway up until the early 1600’s to christianize the «savage heathens» who still had not embraced propper christianity, and the priests kept getting killed. There are hillarious letters sento back to denmark from danish priests in Bergen telling about this one «savage norwegian» who wouldnt hold back his men until he had killed atleast as many priests as his father, who killed 17. Norway was really just «christian» in the real abrahamic jewish sense between early 1700’s to mid 1900’s . A abrahamic operating system will not gain ground here. Ever.
@Bear hn Saxons were almost identical to Vikings. In fact the term 'Viking' meant a profession to go sea-raiding and adventuring etc.
@Bear hn We'll agree to disagree.
@Carmicha3l Ok, it's splitting the grain, but ok.
I really enjoyed this style of video with the much deeper analysis. Would love to see more like this in the future, and will definitely be buying this book.
I remember listening to this for the first time and being so refreshed rejuvenated afterwards from hearing it, it was wonderful to hear in-spite of our condition today...
So glad to have found this...glad its still up...So many of us need to hear this, it explains us perfectly....My US fam came over in 1871, GDad from Manchester and GMa from tiny Soham in the South East.....Always felt English but looking back i operated better within a group pushing towards some direction--Anyhow, Really enjoy hearing you break down topics, by that you are certainly fulfilling your duty to the group...Long and good health to you from the pine forests of Texas!
This topic has entered the plebeian consciousness again this week with the football game tomorrow evening
Athens and Sparta of the modern world
Remember everyone we left the EU because of racial replacement.Not because of anything else.But the replacement is already here even if it is stopped.We need a way to extract consequences from the billionaires who control our land.No consequences means they will never stop.Not evrr.
Juicelad They have made their choice we tried to stare them down,they did not blink its time to do other things.
First you have to know your enemies, they are demons not billionaires ,they are player's in this game, do your research, God bless, I love you all
"the time for fashioning ideologies has passed. We latecomers of Western civilization have become skeptics. We refuse to be further misled by ideological systems. Ideologies are a thing of the previous century. We no longer want ideas and principles, we want ourselves."
His analysis of the English is unrecognisable to me. We fought a king to the death to determine our government.
exactly individualism
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It does frustrate me that so many regular people will not go back as far as the celts, angles, jutes, frisians, saxons and the danes etc. to assemble an image of how British identity was formed and how we thrived. To them, everything today is simply a product of the previous generation, and the previous generation a product of their parents and so on and so on, and so many people give no mind to the long history of our people as a homogeneous group which developed in relative isolation, it gives rise to this belief that we are no different from any other european group and that what works for them will inevitably work for us, it ignores this seemingly intangible echo from the past that effects how we think and run our society today, without the channel seperating us and the mainland maybe we would've followed a similar trajectory to that of Germany etc. but the fact is that the English are how we are because of events and people who existed long before there even was an entity known as England. So now it's become difficult for regular folks to get a grasp on what English identity is and why we have existed and prospered for so long as this shared heritage is lost to a more German-esque way of thinking which produces young people who believe that Britain was open and experienced just as much interrelation with other Europeans as areas in the middle of the continent, while we had conflicts and run ins with continental europeans through our monarchy and via many wars etc. England always stayed English in heritage and in its culture, this is why I think so many people can't verbalise their worries about gloablism and mass immigration and the destruction of the family without being labeled by their peers, because its not being taught to us in our schools WHY we are different and why its important to protect that, if every nation state went the way we are going in wilfully forgetting what has made us great, the world would be markedly worse off, we have to win this 'culture war' and restore a sense of pride in our identity
@Bear hn some maybe, but i think a fair few in this community are just lost for a sense of identity and will come to a similar conclusion eventually. Theres nothing that says we can't rediscover a mutual respect for the uniqueness of each distinct European culture without having to consider ourselves to be all one 'white race', because the reality is that the concept of unique races in Europe has become just as naturally balkanised as anywhere in the African continent or middle east etc, the thing that has set whites apart from the world is that we can recognise this and still live for the most part in peace with eachother, so long as these cultures can find it within them to admit that we must stay relatively homogeneous and not have this unnecessary guilt about it. I'll admit im a bit idealistic but i think thats well founded given the knowledge i have of European history and how we have warred to find seperate identities that may live as peaceful neighbours
Great video! I was just curious what your thoughts on Thomas Carlyle are.
I've only read a few essays and that was years ago so I can't comment much really, but my impression is very good.
Old Germans win. They had deeper more righteous values. England produced some fine products on every field but values are pathetic. Like modern Germans. And Englishmen. :))
When WW1 broke out so many men volunteered for the army, the state was overwhelmed with how to manage them all. As all the volunteers had to be examined by a doctor, it was the first time that the overall health of the nation was known. The reports made by these doctors makes pitiful reading. It could be argued that from this advances in nutrition, health-care etc sprang. These improvements could only come about through the centralised mechanisms of the state and collectivism.
We have socialism now but many young men are weak!
The more I see and hear about germanic and western philosophy on the western peoples, the more I realise it came to be thanks to an understanding of the underlying narrative of their origins. Something us slavs lack and thus can neither unite nor really argue for our own greatness. Granted this is because the germanic narrative is so pervasive (but it is being widdled away thanks to new genetic evidence finally) we can have our own eatern story that comes to be. After all we were one of the greatest naval forces in the baltic at one point, great steppe riders and raiders. harsh moralists, and yet oddly kind. There is so much that is contained in the roots of a people, the origins story cannot be uderestimated and it explains why the liberal order is so hell bent on literally attacking the roots of a people. No roots means no tree. If we can protect one thing, it is our roots, the essence of what we are, who we are, and most importantly, where we come from.
To be fair, there was a pan-Slavic movement in the 1800s that was quite successful in creating a sense of unity amongst various Slavic people. And it could be argued that it still exists today, albeit to a limited extent, in the form of the (fairly) close political relationship between Russia and Serbia.
@@lutherburgsvik6849 The pans slavic movement was ressurected during communism, the issue of pan slavism in its earliest days was a lack of any material or intellectual grounding for its existence. The lack of knowledge concerning roots was also a major issue. It had to all be assumed and many myths pervaded the movemnet. Currently we are seeinga resurgence in interest of the slavs by slavs. But it is still marred by the failed previous movements to exemplify the roots of our people. Thanks to newer research we are actually creating a new narrative that we can finally follow through to a reasonable conclusion because up until now western slavs have self identified with the west because we have been taught that we are backwater visitors that have to appreciate germany and the great germanics for leaving for us land, and giving us everything. It is such a self defeating mentality that it is beyond comprehension how self depricating it is. Now with new narratives we face major astro turfing ops from the gov, as well as even catholic researchers that produce official knowledge about our past since it cannot be suppressed anymore but it is still self depricating. It is still "slavs werent anything, dont even bother oh and BTW we appeared around 500!" its a very sad state of affairs and we also have absurd great lechites who spread absurd theories about the great lechia empire and all that which undermines the real research being done.
Slowly its coming to pass that glagolictic might be our native writing. That we had an appreciable amount of written books 25k, by 1300. None of which have been translated. Most of our chronicles are ignored in favor of german chronicles.
Because the narrative that emerged in the 20th century was germanocentric, against all odds tbh.
I want to see a proper pan slavic nationalist movement of cooperation between slav. Its my opinion that nationalist orgs must work within their ethnic groups to secure their own existence before emerging and cooperating across europe. Because this pan european rise of nationalism has too many competing interests. It can only cause friction until everyone is established.
@@boguslav9502 Where can people learn more about this, follow progress, etc?
At a very liberal college I had a based professor whose humanities course included readings from Oswald Spengler, Eric Auerbach, Edward Said, and Wendell Berry. He forbad student papers on fadish topics like menstruation in the Middle Ages, or the Collectivism of Hildegard von Bingen, etc. I have forgotten all of my other professors, but remember Charles Breslin, Univ. of Louisville.
very interesting thats answers so much for me , also i have many questions many of which you just covered they i suppose were careful not too teach this in school and with breakdown in family he wasn't around to talk about this stuff , great video thanks Morgoth
Darwin was very much a child of the Scottish Enlightenment (in part through his relative Moses Darwin) and his theory of evolution reflected this philosphy. It is best exemplified in the 20th Century by the works of Hayek and his concept of progress through a process of sifting and winnowing out of ideas that spontaneously produces world order.
"Progress"? That's rich. Thanks for the poker tell. Hayek. What a laugh.
In the United States, States with a high number of people whose ancestors were immigrants from the German lands, show certain traits. Quiet self control (unlike the famous "Rednecks" whose ancestors who came from the British Isles - especially the so called "Celtic fridge", and the "Rednecks" have proved to be the best warriors from the War of Independence to the present day, if you want to find Medal of Honour winners go to West Virginia) law abiding and hard working - but, at the same time, a very un Spengler respect for individual liberty - North and South Dakota being obvious examples of such States. But it is NOT a "naked struggle for existence" - Spengler never grasped that the practice of voluntary COOPERATION, Civil Society is naught to do with "dog eat dog", or "every man for himself" - it is about human beings working and trading with each other other, not engaging in raiding each other. It is not about "extracting" wealth, it is about CREATING wealth. Spengler seems to hate Liberal Germans such as Kaiser Frederick - yet Frederick served in three wars. As for the idea that there was less poverty in large German cities than large British cities - that was often said, but it was not true.
Spengler was adopted by the Nazis as their court philosopher. This was an honor that Spengler rejected.
Source please?
Please do more of these videos for us grug brains.
Great video as always Morgoth. I think that it is important to note that the English lost their destiny as a Germanic nation following the Norman Conquest of 1066-72. Following the absolute decimation of the English nobility over this period we were really an occupied power. It was from this that the elite developed their brutal attitude towards the English folk- you can even see this continued in the sjws who view the English people as little more than savages, exactly as the French overlords used to. One must also note that the Normans became a later invention following the 100 Years War wherein the elite needed to differentiate themselves from the French enemy. William the Bastard was always clear in his documents of seperating his subjects into English and French not English and Norman. I do believe that much of the English working class have always maintained quite a Germanic collectivist culture although consumerism, drugs and more recently mass immigration have done a lot of damage. Having said that I am positive for the future as there does seem to be an awakening within the English folk. Spengler's analysis is very insightful.
Hmm... could you forward a source for the "norman was a post 100 year's war invention to distance themselves from the french" claim please? I need to verify that to accept it.
@@lisenpedersen RHC Davies' The Normans and Their Myth. You have to remember that after the conquest England effectively became a Dukedom of France. William remained a subject of the French king. The king model also moved from the Germanic system of oaths and freemen entitled to land who elected a king through witangemot to the Merovingian Divine Right of Kings, with the king as god's representative on earth owned all the land and granted it to his subjects. A far cry from the freeman is entitled to a patch of land then oaths himself to earl who oaths himself to king, etc.
@@anthonyblister3064 that is interesting to see our kinship. Here(Norway) we had the council of the realm; Riksrådet, where land owners from the disparate fylker(shires) would elect a King. This lasted til ca 1655 when the divine right of kings crept into Norway from the continent.
@@lisenpedersen Under Cnut you effectively had an Empire of the North including Scandinavia, Hebrides, parts of Ireland and England. English culture pre Conquest was quite Scandinavian baring in mind that the Angles came from areas which became Denmark.
Would love to listen to the bitchute special. If you ever do it please pin the link here and/or reply to this comment. Thanks. Great video. Spengler basically was never wrong IMO
Cheers Morgoth!
This was a very interesting analyses of these two nations. I think this is why many traditional cultures feel attracted to german collective culture, instead of the English one
National Socialism doesn’t sound that bad the way Spengler frames it. If only the Nazis didn’t ruin the idea by going too extreme
No views but 8 likes, pretty good
That's exactly what I was thinking too
Collectively liked without a single individual. 😏
I disagree to the viking spirit being the catalyst to the english class system. In viking society, kings were elected in a society of freemen voting on what way to take their nations.
Check out Stephen Flowers, the Northern Dawn, a History of the Reawakening of the German Spirit. Great book.
Seems very strange you can only have this view if you completely forget about the Dutch. They were surrounded by enemies but were more liberal then either the English or the Germans.
Exactly im Dutch and this is true
Excellent work mate... great analysis.
What’s the best english translation of “Decline of The West”?
Always wondered about how geography has affected our ideologies and thinking. Interesting
at the beginning with the two pictures, you have Otto von Bismarck, but who is the Englishman?
That's William Ewart Gladstone.
Meh, I'd rather be a freedom loving Viking than a goose stepping Prussian.
As a Norwegian I reject this false dichotomy. We goose step mon-fri and go viking on the weekend. I choose both.
loved this lecture. please do this more often
Well I guess I need to read some Spengler. Thank you!
England is an island nation.
Germany is in central Europe.
The very different philosophy on the role of the State is predicated on geography.
An island nation does not need a large standing army. A Central European country must possess a large standing army to contend with border threats and opportunities.
An Island nation needs a navy for the same purpose.
The difference is that a navy can protect trade lanes around the world. It can earn income by raiding merchant sea traffics. It essentially can pay for itself.
The result is that a standing army requires a strong central government to enforce taxation. A navy requires free trade and small taxes on that trade.
That is a good summary of the first part of Spenglers analysis of the differences between the Germans and the English. Later Spengler goes into why they developed such different forms of socialism.
@ MORGOTH - Wonderful stuff Morgoth, it's great to see you making these important ideas accessible to more people. Your videos have made me think about producing a positive nationalist culture the proposal of a new era of European Romanticism. Would you be interested in doing a vid on Caspar David Friedrich or the Luminists/Hudson River School ?? Thanks so much for what you do. Morgoth
This was fantastic
This ought to be spicy.
This was great! Thank you
But England is not just Anglo-Saxon. There were people here before and people after. The island mentality did not arrive with the Saxons, they adopted it. The Saxons didn't really do much but fight amongst themselves. Their Alfred was great because he stopped them fighting for a while. After the Norman conquest the island became united and we extended power across the world. I think the Normans define Britain at least as much as the Saxons.
Amazing and pertinent work Morgoth.
Hugely interesting comparison. I want to comment on a couple of points that I think either Morgoth or Spengler himself got wrong. Yes England is of course a strongly individualistic place, as are its colonial offspring. But England is actually a nation of team sports, quite the opposite of Morgoth's generalization. The quintessentially English sports are cricket, rugby and association football (soccer). Whereas tennis (an individual sport) is a French invention. Secondly, the comparison of the historically dominant art forms in England and Germany rings true - England a nation of scribblers, Germany a nation of composers. But I think the presenter missed the key way in which this difference aligns with individualism vs socialism - reading a book is a private experience, whereas music can be enjoyed together by a group of people.
The “Third Party Which I Cant Even Talk About”’s is a bit of a mouthful, convention is now just to use JQ.