TUTORIAL: How to Make Your Own DIY PCBs! - Part 1 - Quick, Cheap & Easy! (Toner, Acetone & No Heat)
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2018
- This is a 2-part series on how to easily, quickly & cheaply make your very own PCBs! Part 1 is an introduction, explaination and me preparing the board for etching! Part 2 is the etching, drilling and evaluation.
You will need:
Copper Clad PCBs/Boards
Acetone
Isopropanol
Ferric Chloride
Travel Magazine/Brochure
Mixing Bottle & Syringe
Wire Wool
2 x Food Trays
Tissue Paper
Scissors
Drill & 0.8mm Drill Bit
Laser Printer
For those who wish to support the channel, my Patreon account is here: / antonycartwright - Jak na to + styl
Finally someone who speaks in their tutorials.
Note, double sided boards aren't a problem. Completely etch one side (tape the other side off). If you're using through hole components, you would then drill 4 holes, one near each corner. Doesn't have to be exactly on the corner, but space the holes out. Then when you're aligning the other side, look through a light so you can line it up with the 2nd side transfer.
*I will say, however, if you're using some sockets, like a PLCC, you might not have access to the pins on the top side of the board, so then it is an issue.
Something else you can use that I find works really well is overhead projector paper
Thank you very much for sharing this man!!. So far I've had the best results using this technique. Even better than photograph paper and heat. I'm using this in order to make boards for mi Electronics Enginnering thesis
For those wanting to know what the ratio is, its 8 parts IPA and 3 parts Acetone. Great vid by the way
By weight? Or volume?
@@AnandBhatB densities are so similar as to be basically identical, so it really shouldn’t matter whether you measure by volume or weight.
IPA beer or isopropyl alcohol?
@@larrybud Why not have a crack and report back?
Useful video. Excellent
Thanks!
Never seen that type of transfer before. İ used a laminator lots of times for toner transfer and it works great.
That's good to know! I meant to try that method..
I can't do laminate work.I don't know if the problem is with the paper or the heat.Please tell me what kind of paper it is😔
Thanks for the guide, I had this idea to make pcb art for a midi controller i'm building, this is exactly what I want the case to look like.
You should use rubber gloves when cleaning the boards, if you touch them later you can transfer oils from your hand and also could leave fingerprints.
Antony, what a great video tutorial. Thank you. Just what I was looking for. Aloha 🤙
Instead of rubbing and risking movement, try a wall paper edge roller. You can get a lot of force without risk of shifting and really get the air out.
Make sure the roller does not dissolve in the acetone first or use a wooden one!!!
You can also buy double sided copper clad boards from Ebay with copper on both sides of them
I bet that a small rubber J-roller would work well too to adhere the paper to the copper board.
Would it be better to do the rubbing on stage on a folded newspaper soak up the surplus solution to prevent its migration back to the board
one issue is that paper is mixed with the ink. sometimes the paper gets stuck between the traces and it gives you a poor etching were you need it the most. this leads do over etching in places that you don't want when you are adjusting the whole thing
Hi and thank's for your video about PCBs.
I think you need to increase opacity in any way because we can see the light passed through
your opaque areas.
First, you may try the settings of your printer.
Next, if it remains too clear you may superpose 2 transparencies.
Check your transparency's opacity with the day light.
Kind regards. Jean-Yves.
Often with toner printer, the toner does not stick well on transparencies and some printer
do not print so dark even with settings full dark.
Nice!
A sharpie works well to touch up any flaws.
I use the iron on method with Poundworld photo paper. I stocked up before they shut down.
Works great. Peels off with no soaking. The trick is to iron onto a flat surface like a kitchen tile.
I have the same drill press (you cheapskate lol).
Ahh cool!!! I'll see if you have any videos tomorrow. :)
Hahahaha, you know how it goes. ;) I'm tight like that!
Anthony - what did you use to create the schematic and create an image out of it?
That's what I was going to ask!
DesignSpark PCB... It's excellent but the copyright owner seems to be unwilling to allow me to show the software. :(
@@roadeycarl Altium Designer software has no shortage..
I use express pcb. Has the schematic and parts placement part to create the boards. I import to windows paint to cleanup before printing.
I have started experimenting with this method. I believe the exact mix for good transfer will depend on the toner in the printer used.
Cool projects, i do them with a cnc,
Thanks for sharing,
Regards
Jean-François
You will get better result if you print twice on the same paper, but sometimes you need to do that fev times. Also after you transfer it to copper board you can put it to acetone fumes it will close up those gaps.
Thanks... Interesting.
What do you mean acetone fumes?
@@alexstone691 I think they mean acetone spray😇
Ezcelente gracias
Which software do you use in order to get your design. I like the minimum copper etching of the design.... 👍
Is it necessary all this time rubbing the PCB with your finger?
I saw in another video that the author first wrapped the PCB in the magazine, then poured acetone on the paper and it was very fast!
Can Glossy paper be used instead of the magazine? Thanks
What is glossy paper, where can I get it?
Photo paper, found in stationery stores.
IPA can be used ? Ethyl alcohol? ?
Did not you work with an iron, or only with medium
3:52 You know they sell double sided copper clad boards right? I've got some coming in the mail now from Ebay. Most PCB software can print mirror images for the other side too so there's no reason you can't do double sided PCBs
I believe the major problem is perfectly aligning the 2 sides so that they overlap perfectly. Otherwise, if you have through-hole or vias, your holes will be off on one side and it will mess your board.
@@444guns it may work to have locating holes through both layouts, transfer one, drill out the locators and align the second using that
Hi can I use isopropanol alcohol?
I tried this mix of 3:8 but It didn't quite work well for me. What I realized was that I was using pure acetone and mixing it with water worked perfectly fine. So my mix is 3:1 (acetone:water) which I will recommend for people using pure acetone.
Hello, how do we know that pure acetone is pure?My other question is what do they mean by IPA😇
Isopropil Alcool
What program you use, for design your PCB?
Proteus, Easy EDA
Another great alternative is kicad, it's free, works on Linux (or windows, if your a masochist) and is easy to use, open source, and highly customizable.
Could you please indicate exactly the measurement between acetone and propanol to apply? If you can in ml. How much of acetone and how much of propanol
It should be in the video.
I missed it too,, read that it is : its 8 parts IPA and 3 parts Acetone.
Does it have to be a laser printer?
Inkjet won't work?
it cannot work. Any kind of ink is liquid, you can easily imagine liquid goes away when in contact with any other liquid. Toner, on the other hand (from the laser printers) is not liquid, it's a dust that gets melted and is fairly resistant to various liquids. That's why you must have a laser printer.
The useful part of the video starts at 04:07
what is mix w 3 to 8 anyway.
One thing not mentioned in this video, and which is quite important, is that not all laser printers are usable for this method. Brother laser printers don't work, because the Brother toner does not transfer properly (in fact it doesn't transfer at all) with the acetone/isopropanol mix. I have a Brother laser printer and this method doesn't work with it. After I failed a few times I looked it up and it's a common problem. It works only with other brand laser printers.
Hi! I don't think you should write the toner off. There are many factors involved. My toner is the cheapest toner on ebay and it works. HOWEVER, the mix of alc/acet does change depending on the paper. Even for me, the mix has to sometimes change. This video is very general. :-)
@@AntonyCartwright It's not the mix or the price of the toner. Brother toner is different from all other toners, it does not dissolve in the acetone/isopropanol mix to allow for transfer. In my many tries, there were no partial failures but always total failure. Simply none of the toner transferred at all in any of them. And I'm not the only one for who this method doesn't work with this brand of printers. Too bad because they're otherwise awesome printers.
@@stamasd8500 I have a brother printer and the toner transfers from regular paper, do note that you can buy generic toner for brother which may or may not work better
Fantastic. What is the other ingredient in the 3to 8 mixture?
My paper slips when I rub it!!
Please help 😕
Have you tried using yellow toner transfer paper from china ?
I haven't tried it. Is it good?
Thanks a lot! I was failing this procedure before I watched this vid... Because I used only acetone...
Dear friend, what is the second substance, acetone and ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟😇
what mixture you made I didn't understand because I'm from Brazil
Dear friend, I read all the comments.A mixture of acetone and alcohol.3 to 8
is it okay to do it using photo paper?
Also..is the acetone 100 o/o or nail polish remover?
nail polish remover is basically 99.9% acetone, with a little bit of perfume and sometimes colour, but essentially nail polish remover = acetone.
@@davelordy Is nail polish remover really the same as pure acetone?😇
Hi Antony !! tell me please, what kind of laser printer are you use because the print is very gooood, thank you a lot
Hi, It's a Samsung ML. :-)
@@AntonyCartwright ML ????
What are the 2 chemicals
1 is acetone n what is the other one
Methyl Alcohol works
So it's 3 parts of acetone mixed with 8 parts of isopropanol?
Yes.
@@AntonyCartwright Thx bro 👍
@@akhildhananjay1744 No worries! Let me know how it goes.
@@AntonyCartwright Will do 👍
Where did you order your boards from? link?
I bought them ages ago.... They were from ebay. :-)
lol well that doesn't narrow it down :P
I was hoping you got them from some seller specifically that you get most of your stuff. I was looking at alice1101983 as Julian Ilett buys a lot from her/him/them. So not sure yet.
@@korishan I don't remember. They weren't cheap. I just bought them from anyone lol.
Although, since then, I've bought more from another seller. D
ooh ... it never finishes ... I keep with heating
Filling the empty space of the pcb with useless copper pour means a toner solid black and every ten pcb's needs toner refilling which adds extra cost without an obvious reason.
Tradeoff. Less to etch. But it could cause stray capacitance
Hi Antony
please reply
what is the ratio of Acetone and Isopropanol...?
In the video he says 3 acetone and 8 Alcohol
I haven't laser printer
It work in photo copier ?????
You said you can only do 1 sided boards. Check the videos by Gareth Burrows. He demonstrates using the same basic method to make 2 sided boards.
Interesting, I might try this.
However. Health and Safety hat on here: never put chemicals in drinks bottles. Especially with small children around.
Hiya! It's the only suitable one I could find and it's emptied out and kept high it of reach after use. :)
Good point. I thought I always labelled my bottles,, but had a small farm and lots of oils, lubes, etc.. One day I opened a detergent bottle in my garage, and found that I had put spent oil from an oil change 2 years before, and forgot to even marked the bottle.
Wear gloves to preserve the copper longer. I used to do the etching and washing of pcbs we had to wear cotton wool gloves
Oh, by the way, you need a $1000 laser printer...
You can convert the software output to PDF.And take a flash and give it to your friends.And use their printer😇
@@rahimsarvejahani2083 sure that would work if you had a friend that had a laser printer…
@@sammoore9120 😇😇😇
It must be laser printer?
Yes, it must be a LASER printer in order to transfer the drawn diagram to your board, otherwise the inkjet printer uses liquid ink, and that's with not do the purpose
❤️👍
I'm impressed how clear your voice comes through your respiration protection mask, and how silent your ventilation system is, while you work with these chemicals :-)
Hiya! I'm immune to all three chemicals. (Although I wouldn't want the stuff in my eyes). I've tested the ferric chloride... Left it on skin for 10 minutes and no effect on me. Maybe I'm just tough! :)
goods
I'm from Tenerife. Like&sub ofc
Thanks...
15 scrap ones before you got it right. Yeh, about par for a new skill but once you get it right you wonder what the problem was. You should see my pile of scrap from new skills.
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Good method, but need to verify it
why does everyone sucessfully make a PCB and I just sit here trying heat acetone alcohol and all the tree dogether separately in all sorts of combinations and nothing work..And I tried 11 printers 5 tipes of paper and foto paper and everything
Hiya! Do it exactly like in the video! It does work! :-)
@@AntonyCartwright It simply didnt :_D Im sentenced to JLCPCB or trying that scary and difficult UV method.
@@adam207321 did you use the right paper..
I tryed like numerous foto papers. None gave me a useable result
@@adam207321 go to a travel agent and get some brochures ha
PLEASE... moderate your audio levels.
this should rather be called RCB
Rubbed Circuit Board :D
So much of rubbing with finger. I am afraid I can't unlock my phone with my fingerprint anymore.
Haha, it happened to me too!
😆😆😆
You need to use nitrille gloves when working with acetone. Acetone is a known carcinogen. I enjoyed your video. Thanks
For me the problem is creating the art work to begin with.
3 to 8 WHAT? 3 acetone? 3 alcohol? You mentioned the ratio but not the chemicals
The density is very poor.
I fell asleep in rhe beginning so i couldnt deal and just skipped the whole video
Thanks any way
_JCL PCB would like to offer you 5 PCBs for 2 dollars_
Shipping for me is like 30-60 euros so
Sloppy Video. Around 9:23: "The mix is 3 to 8 - acetone and....." what? He never says, not that I can hear anyway
Isopropanol
not a good system...too much pitting and unreliable..why not just use photo resist and developer..
The board in this video, I'm still using it now and it's fine. The method can be difficult though, I agree.
sorry, meant the process is unrealible, im sure the board is fine if the toner transfered successfully... i tried different toners with this method and just gave up and went back to photo method.. but good for you if it works..thx
@@bubbahogg-buga4613 Ahhh yes, you have to use the right paper. Some mags work and some don't...
Why use the tesrm IPA???....most people do not know what that is!!!!!! USELESS!!...IPA is isopropol alcohol...pure....now wasnt that easy?????
👍👍👍
You lost me at ferrite fluoride
You need to use rubber gloves if you are useing asidtoen buddy that's a big mistake in my eyes if you are reviewing
Nick Ward Acetone. It’s been used for 60, 70 years in manicure work. It’s not that bad. People terrified of any chemical.
That's not cheap at all
10 minits blablabla the trick is 30years old
Isn't it better to show the contents and amount of the injection syringe in front of the camera while mixing the ingredients?Those who do not understand your language And they even use a language translator to comment Have a better understanding and insight I didn't understand the mixed values I did not understand your language
Use gloves on your hands, your skin might be absorbing harmful chemicals that could kill you (liver damage for one). I know someone who died from his skin absorbing benzene.
You knew someone you mean. Can anyone just post a video without trolls trolling all over the damn thing? Do you suppose he isn't aware of what is known as the glove? I think he probably is aware, Admiral Troll.
U can do this for pennies and oh yea u need a laser printer 😂😂
You can always try printing somewhere else for cheap
Dear Anthony, you've made a good video, but sorry to say, you talk too much! Want to teach something? Make it short, patience is difficult to go by nowadays. Who has the time to watch a video for 18 minutes which can be shown in 7-8 minutes? Sorry for the criticism, but that's the truth.
Werkt niet
Laser printer is a must, and i stop watching it
Toooooo much talkative