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Welcome back to another episode of the Rework Retrospective series! Today I want to go over Evelynn: Agony's Embrace, whose gameplay update finally reimagined her into what an assassin is supposed to be: someone who hides in the shadows and only appears when she's about to strike.
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Hey Vars can you do a Fiora's rework video in the future. Like talking about how she got reworked what insipiration of the design. Also the main part is why she has no champ teasers, events, spotlights, gameplay preview, new voice lines like GP's rework before her and after her rework every champion that got full VGU reworked until the latest one received everything. The champs that got a full VGU in order starting form gangplank are:
Gangplank 2015
Fiora 2015
Poppy 2015
Shen 2016
Taric 2016
Ryze 2016
Yorick 2016
Warwick 2017
Galio 2017
Urgot 2017
Evelynn 2017
Swain 2018
Irelia 2018
Aatrox 2018
Akali 2018
Nunu & Willump 2018
Kayle & Morgana 2019
Morde 2019
Panth 2018
Fiddle 2020
Voli 2020
Mundo 2021
In this list of Full VGU only Fiora has no Champ Spotlight, Champ tease trailer, New voicelines, New recall animation, new emotes ctrl 1/2/3, mini events. Yup that's Fiora
i'm just really curious or somewhat jealous/delusional like it's haunting me just thinking about it even though it's already 7 yrs. add to that still having no legendary regardless of how popular she is, while Yone got his legendary in less than a year of release. Almost all of Top lane champs has a legendary or 2 already, so how about Fiora?
Thanks love your videos!!!
Vars, what is your opinion about champions with both scalings? with AD scaling and AP scailing in there abilities.
How did you not mention the lategame 35% max health ult having no cap on objectives on release?
You could steal all barons with no counterplay.
She has bigger tidies
She’s so much fun to play but holy if you dont get ahead it can be hard to snowball
Isn't that the whole point of an assassin? XD
And people know! Eve main here. I get invaded 75% of the time to delay level 6. Not even joking on that 75%. Her Q isn't that great for clearing camps tbh and her ultimate is a less powerful version of Pyke's ult. But she's still my main jungler :)
@@tyago1949 I bullied an Eve as Lillia once🙂
It was fun🙃
@@tyago1949 Her Q is great for camp clearing, if you get the right position, like example at the bird spawn, you can hit all of them at once with your q, I always move to try to hit all of them
@@VarsVerum yeah but at least you can still somewhat do something (usually). Eve just becomes a living ward😅
Another thing that wasn't mentioned is that eve w reveals the direction eve is actually in when the wind up completes.
For an assassin imo she is quite fair to play against compared to others
he said that, U know she's there, but not how far
not SO fair when she gets 2 items and can stand between the 2 lane turrets and kill you instantly without the need to use the W that reveals her, but assassins never feel fair so you're right
@@gustxv3760 you probably play yasuo or some dogshit
What good is that intel if she breakes the invis with her Q right before W fully channels. After like 3 to 5 games with her any decent player will get that timing right
I loved playing against her as Janna earlier. As soon as she revealed herself I’d ult or shield then my team actually followed up on my nados so sometimes she’d get me and sometimes we’d get her. So fun
Evelyn is a strange champion because not many people play her but the ones that do are very dedicated to her.
I love Eve mains, they are usually very friendly, try to work together with their teams and appreciate a nice aesthetic
Thank you :3
Ev mains have no other choice but to work with our teams this is why most of us are friendly🥲
uwu eve thighs
ty man, 250k eve main here, nice to know :d
As an eve main, thank you.
As an Eve main, this is the way I see her:
She is good if you snowball, but if you don't, every other single assassin in the game will laugh at you for not even holding a fraction of their power.
She has relatively little "outplay" potential like Zed, Ekko, Fizz etc, so she compensates it by having massive snowball power.
She gets easily invaded and stalled out, and it makes her a coinflip character. You either won hard, or lost hard.
In a lot of my ranked games I'd play, if I did well I'd be complimented left and right cause shes relatively simple to burst as when ahea.d
If I didn't snowball, its hard to do anything and I'd get harrassed and flamed all game. That is Evelynn.
Yeah, that's why I don't think she's as balanced as Vars is interpreting. Technically a coin flip is "balanced" by a 50% win rate, but it doesn't mean the game-to-game experience is a balanced one.
The issue is her W takes up so much of her power budget it's hard to just shift around numbers or add extra mechanics elsewhere in her kit to give her more flexibility. So she ends up feeling unfair to play against because permastealth +hard CC + % MR shred on an assassin lol, and agonizing to play as since you have to wait 4 millenia for her W to cook and if the opponent has any way to live the combo, you essentially did nothing but waste time while the enemy jungler either cleared camps (faster than you could if you were trying to at the same time btw), added pressure somewhere else, took an objective, or, worse case, turned your gank into a skirmish you have no way of winning.
yea you basically have to bully adc and support all game to get ahead, fking proxy kill adc etc before getting to lane, you have like no prio in game until 6 and unlike most other champions you feel kinda useless with or without ult, weird champion
Yeah lol, or how about when your bot lane is feeding because of course they are, but they don’t understand that you need them to take objectives. So they flame you for not solo contesting a dragon that they weren’t even there for 😂😂
I find her to be the only late game assassin in the game
She has plenty of time to scale
She more friendly gameplay on mobile version
Evelynn is one of the few assassins I don’t hate fighting against, she has very pronounced weaknesses
as an eve main i find it funny that some people call her broken but all it takes is some cc and i'm most likely screwed + my early game is horrible compared to most junglers
@@JuicyC00ch eve is literally easy to kill when she's visible, like, she can't get close when she is visible, people who call eve broken are just stupid, all they need is control wards and just 5% cc
@@JuicyC00ch yep
I believe as a top main that eve is probs the most balanced, maybe underpowered actually
But that's when comparing her to other assassins which are all op
@@JuicyC00ch dont forget, showing yourself on a bad position or getting disengaged quickly fucks you up too
@@JuicyC00ch THIIIIIIIS, i have teametes that want gank at lvl 2 against a full cc team :(
“The sole exception to this is Evelynn”
*laughs in Akshan*
I mean you gotta keep close to the walls or bushes to keep Akshan's stealth, meanwhile Eve can sit in the entrance of dragon pit for 3 minutes and no one will notice (it happened to me, internet went down and upon reconnecting I was untouched in the exact same spot lol)
Akshay still needs walls and bushes to remain invisible.
@@sunnydargonnel wouldnt you be in the fountain if you disconnected due to your internet?
@@LegendaryFusions supposedly. Usually I end up there but that one time my friends never saw the "username has disconnected" message and I didn't move. It happened one time to my gf too but she was top Kayle and stood under turret for 8 minutes getting experience (not gold tho). She was out but no message and no fountain. Might be a bug? Idk
Laughs in Teemo
Reworked Evelynn was one of the first champs I played in this game and I remember being so baffled with her ult (For context, I'm a tank/bruiser type of guy so I got extremely bewildered with the concept of attacking in burst and dashing away) and not using W that well
Her new ult feels like it would fit almost better on her old kit oddly enough. When she would build combination AP/AD %health items like BotRK, Bloodrazor, and Liandry's, her new ult execute would fit in perfectly, and probably better than the redundant current health ult she use to have.
When I first started playing Evelynn was the first champion i mained and she definitely helped me learn league quickly. It forced me to plan my attacks out and learn map awareness that has carried over to other lanes. As an Eve main I appreciate you not just berating her and actually try to understand her! I understand that especially against disorganized teams shes a nightmare, but we do have to work for our kills! Thank you for the video! See you next time!!
I’m a sup main and for me playing against an Evelynn is fun because it becomes a battle of macro management. I have to put pink wards in the right places, use sweep at the right time, ward her jungle to spot her when she’s farming.
Wardstone is a must buy to place two pink wards at the same time, I love that item anyway.
You forgot the double stun out of stealth in her first iteration. It was actually so unfair. They eventually nerfed it to a slow, that's when she became Evelynn the moving ward.
He also forgot that on her first rework the ULT used to be Max health too, 25% + 1% per 80 AP of their max health to everyone at lvl 16, that was a lot of damage!!
The change from max to current health is one of the main reasons why her play rate plummeted and eventually led to the removal of the champ from the weekly rotation for a while until season 4 came and 30/0/0 masteries and changes to items made her insanely broken, it was the only champ I enjoyed to jungle with back in the day.
@@AtomicBoo long-range AoE % maxhealth was absolutely disgusting xD especially when then enemies couldn't see you coming :p
When her ultimate was passive that gave stealth ?
I think overall Evelyn is pretty balanced, and she is an AP assassin which relys on items a bit more than other assassin, so her power level correlates a lot with how strong AP items are.
I am an Eve main, thats actually pretty untrue, last season I had a 60% wr over like 400 games, AP items were not very good. Alot more ap items are good now and there is more MR itemization and she feels pretty shit to play this season.
@@theograbarek8598 What do you mean, Evelynn is directly correlated to how strong AP items are. Mage items were bad last season, there was nothing changed between last season and this season for items Evelynn would actually buy. All of Evelynn's power is in her AP scalings, which if AP items are too bad, will make her inherently bad. AP items are different than Mage items.
Honestly, I'm somewhat new to the game, so I don't know anything about old Evelynn, but when I first encountered her on the enemy team, my friends obviously warned me that she was dangerous. Of course, I still died with no clue as to how, feeling a bit of frustration. That sense of unfairness was pretty short lived though, and now that I know how the champ works, I remember it fondly as a very immersive and well done assassination, not a boring, brute force "I do all this damage and you can't even touch me because I'm now invisible *poof*" type of death I often got from Akali for example. So when it came time to finally decide what champ I would play if I ever get autofilled Jungle, Evelynn was the only one that interested me, because I think even her victims can have fun and get a scare out of seeing that the arrow points toward the tower you were heading to for safety... Or the worry when you see an Eve get out of vision on low health (like losing sight of a spider in your room) and not knowing if she's still around to back up her teammates and sneaking behind you...
Late game Eve passive healing go BRRR
Even a 20/0 Eve will die to a single mistake due to not having mobility and not having any form of tankiness, which is what makes her pretty fair. Unlike some Zed or Akali who can just be fed and oneshot your entire team through stealth and billions of dashes, Eve remains simple and always play a macro game instead of getting you through an unfair kit's advantage.
This is the comment that reminded me of how and why I got addicted to wild rift in the past couple of months
go seek it on utube a lot footage of old eve, it was good but i love the rework, the best thing for her XD
@@dwight3555 this very true lol you mess up one thing voom you'rr crippled
Finallllly, someone who understands that Eve ain't like all other assasins
Also, i wish thay would give her ad scallings back, that would be so cool to try on
Yeah… same i remember old eve I would go ad and do so much better because of how brainless ad champs are especially as eve with the attack speed boost.
I want the 110% attack speed she got from her e that was so fun to scratch people to death with
She Def has a niche playstyle compared to other assassins, most of her skill expression is positioning with her stealth since her kit is pretty easy to execute but the way you have to play the game doesn't translate to most other champions, making her favorable to one tricking, but she fits the unpredictableness of a true assassin, if you want to maintain viability into higher ranks on her you must adapt to your own unique style of unpredictableness, so thank you for giving credit to the unique style and rework of my fav champ, great video.
You know the game has changed when evelynn is the most fair assasin lol
I loved that you could build almost anything on old Evelyn and make it work. It made me feel like an actual assassin, choosing the right equipment based on what I was up against.
totally agree, she had great versatility
that's katarina's role now
@@remen8021 Katarina's role is fisting the keyboard like a BDSM queen working a republican
I miss old Eve so much. No one else comes close to capturing the feel of her on-hit AS build shredding targets from stealth. Shaco is the closest, but he can't use his stealth to lie in wait for an opening. And now Evelynn went from the most diverse builds in the game to building the same 3-4 items every single game.
The only major issue with her old kit as an assassin was her ult being a % current-health engage tool. Swap it out for her new one and, combined with her E's double on-hit proc and BotK, she very much becomes an assassin that picks out a target, melts them down, then ults out.
The Q change is fine to shift her damage to be more upfront, but her W and E feel bad for both her and her opponent.
W especially feels contentious. Hard CC and %MR shred on an assassin removes both forms of counterplay against them, but the issue is more complex than that. So W has an arrow indicator showing the opponent where evelynn is when the charm is fully cooked. This seems like it would be a built-in safety valve by giving her opponent some extra counterplay, but it comes with a work around to that counterplay Evelynn can exploit. Since the arrow indicator only shows up when the charm is fully primed, and since Evelynn's Q has a travel time, it doesn't take 300 IQ to put the two together and anyone who has played 3 games on her can figure out to cast Q right as the charm finishes priming, meaning Evelynn reveals herself before the arrow indicator even comes into play, and resulting in the hard CC from stealth without proper counterplay.
Her E meanwhile is in a similar kind of unbalanceable state as something like [insert any Akali ability]. For a while after her rework launched, it had insane AP scaling, which, combined with her W MR shred and protobelt, meant she would just dash in, point and click E, then ult out and one-shot just about everyone. The damage has since been lowered, but is now basically just used for the movement speed boost to stay on top of someone while she procs her Q bubbles. Essentially doing the same thing as her old W but without the slow cleansing aspect.
The root cause of her issues is, funnily enough, her W. Since she can hard CC and resistance shred from stealth, the ability takes up a huge amount of her power budget, making the rest of her gameplay devolve into the same repetitive loop of fish for W until it works or be useless if it doesn't.
Old Evelynn was by no means a picture of balance or design. Titantic+Triforce tank Eve was the meta toward the end of her lifespan, and was obviously not a healthy nor particularly assassin-y playstyle of pretending to be Xin but without the good parts of his kit. That said, there are plenty of better ways for her rework to have been handled, especially given how Riot would end up balancing other hybrid scaling assassins, Shaco in particular, who's long stealth functions as a backwater interpretation of Eve's.
I also miss old eve I enjoyed all her quirky builds and was very disappointed when they took away her ad scaling in the rework, the old W and Q combo’d very well from not an assassin perspective as much of a sustain fight perspective which I found much more enjoyable than the more burst and disengage style eve we have now.
Old ravage (e) was insane, i remember building lich, and dealing 400 ap on hit. It was really fun playing the Ascension game mode
I miss Ad eve 😢
@@decidueyezealot8611 I miss Bloodrazor BotRK facemelter Eve. two on-hit procs and 120% AS steroid = 50% max health damage easy
@@PopcornBunni dAmn right
Thank you for the video. I started to play League in 4 months ago, and Eve is my favorite champ. I love the play style, art, voice lines, all her KDA stuff is beautiful. The week she was available to play for free, her KDA All out skin was on sale and since that week I’m an Evelynn main.
Two month after I started playing a lot as Evelynn, I got my first pentakill, and it felt so amazing, I just kept rewatching the replay for an hour.
This champ really brings me joy playing. Although, having perma stealth has greatly influenced my jungle play style, so I had a lot of trouble playing other kinglets later, because I was not able to do good ganks without stealth for some time 🤣
I really thought from what you've said of her past and present you meant how Evelynn was an incomplete amalgamation of something that didn't have definitive role to thrive and had to take years to perfect her form of "assassination" .
The thing I know Evelyn for is that one guy in the friend group which knows all voice lines by heart and saves no breath reciting them
Also for those who don't know, upon the initial drop of her rework. Last Caress was originally called Widowmaker, and Allure was called Lust Dust.
do we even know why they changed it ?
@@Paul-px1ww For Widowmaker probably clarity on the purpose of the ability. Last Caress sounds like an execute that you use last. Also Widowmaker and Lust Dust are just really generic and boring.
I am an Evelynn main, and unexpectedly so after her rework. I honestly only begun playing her because I loved the visual effects of her spikes and abilities it feels very satisfying to use.
That out of the way - after a few years of playing her and learning the game overall, you've hit the mark quite accurately with this video. I am surprised because I've over time begun to recognize Evelynn is a "macro assassin" unlike any of the other assassins in the game.
If you want a mechanical 1v9 assassin, its better to play Qiyanna or even Yone with their mobility and tools - Evelynn is entirely designed, and balanced, around picking of a single priority target on the map. She is not fast, has no dashes, has no defenses. Sure you can use the ultimate as an escape or a dash, but it is a massive taxing decision to make - either give up the single strongest killing ability you have, or use it for a one time use of a dash/untargettability. It is not like Akali who can "choose" to kill you with any 4 of her abilities, OR use any 4 of them to escape. That's something I've hated with the "problem" reworks like Irelia, Akali, or new champions like Qiyana and Yone. They have tools to be aggressive OR defensive in any combination - Evelynn does not, having to give up a powerful ability for a one time escape.
Speaking of not being fast, with the new items and new champions, sometimes it feels frustrating and unfair AS the Evelynn the speed and freedom at with other Junglers could do her job. Sure I can path around the control wards and come in a lane at a unique angle for a surprise - but that might take 10 seconds set up! Meanwhile, Nocturn, Kayn, Hecarim, Qiyana, Akali, can sort of dash in with speed or over walls and don't give a rat's ass about positioning. Even more so before Evelynn hits level 6. Then even if a fight like that breaks out, Eve doesn't have the skirmishing potential on par with some of these other champions to "fix" or "clean up" a fight unless they are all very conveniently low and maybe stand together to let you E or Ult them. Very satisfying when it happens dont' get me wrong, but it's largely not her forte. Then let's say you survive early game, make the "right" kills, stack up Mejais and have your full build - you still can't truly team-fight in the way other Assassins or Slayers would - Evelynn wins "fights" by making intelligent picks to weaken the enemy, making every fight a 4v5 or a 3v5 before it even happens. In an outright 5v5 it is very difficult for her to navigate, especially with no mobility and some fucker with Aoe True Damage Max % Damage with a Collector wipes the entire team. If your team as a whole is stronger, and decides to death-ball objectives and fights, it's likely Evelynn can't "get in" consistent worthy kills, nor can she really split push. Let's say a game is doomed and you can't teamfight so as an Evelynn you might in desperation go split or try to take tower bounties, whatever - by showing yourself on the map you automatically lose all pressure. Now the enemy KNOWS you're not around and can confidently fight. You remaining hidden is all of your pressure even if you can't kill the enemy - they don't *know* for certain that you can't.
Long story short like you said in the video - it's odd, despite the stealth she is a very fair assassin, a true assassin. If an Evelynn gets fed and takes over the map - its likely that a lot of poor macro decisions were made in the early to mid game - at least it wasn't brute force and 200years stat-checking that did it. Since Evelynn's rework, she has not recieved any major changes or nerfs at all - little numbers up or down here and there but nothing on the scale of Irelia or Akali whove had entire portions of their kit chopped to try to make for balance.
Countering Evelynn you can look to put control wards behind you and on your flanks or ward her camps specifically as she has to come out of stealth to do them, moving them as you move on the map, if you happen to spot her coming honestly just turn on her first, she has no mobility or defenses she will have to use Flash or Ultimate. DoT also works as burns keep her passive from proccing, if her passive is delayed she can not heal and stays visible (Teemo is a great counter as Evelynn can step on his mushrooms AND is DoT.) If she is fed enough, no amount of Magic Resistence will help, but shields do - like Steraks, Gargoyles, Shieldbow. Invisibility, or hiding in bushes helps as her abilities (besides Ult) do not work without vision, so things like Qiyana, Vayne, and Akali are frustrating in micro-fights.
End of my rant - I just like Eve!
the love and dedication to write this essay 😭
yeah but eve can one shot with basically the W, you dont even need the R in some cases. She has 0 micro and thus 0 counterplay microwise since you cant dodge target abilities. That's + the inivis is where all her powerbudget went to.
I would call it a pretty bad rework
14:55 love how ezreal is just chilling 40 feet in the air
I started playing Eve a few months before her rework (it was already announced, in fact it was the dev blogs about it that got me into her), and as a main with almost 1M mastery points, your analysis is so accurate. She might be mechanically easy to grab but she's hard to play for an assassin, as she lacks the "pentakill potential" and sustain for duels others have, to put it in some way. People will always shit on you if you ever get behind, but most of the times, losing as Evelynn is just losing to the better team. You know, those who never go alone and always ward. Conversely, people will also bitch about how "easy" is to get ahead but countering her is just worth 75 gold per player. The higher you climb in ranks, the harder is to pick her.
And yeah, people who miss her old versions are just weird. Eve used to be a stealthy stat checker, fun, but plain.
Oh I agree she was unhealthy, I think most others who played old eve agree as well.
What I personally just miss is her flexibility item wise. You could go tank, AP, AD, or attackspeed and it would work fine with her kit.
Because it was possible to build whatever you wanted really. And made it pretty doable to counter build the enemy.
Thing is, they could simply add AD scaling back into her kit without it being an actual problem. Similarly adding back the attack speed buff on her E is also perfectly fine, though this might require a nerf somewhere.
Thing is, we don't really miss her old version in its totality. We just miss the flexible itemization and the level 1 stealth. And we don't really have an issue with losing the lvl 1 stealth as that's just fair.
Easily one of my fav series of yours:) Can’t wait for Taric and Nunu
My queen will be very pleased to be here xd I love how you have to play smartly to hunt your prey if you don't want to be destroyed (she is very squishy). The only bad part of the rework is how you only have ap scaling, so the buids are all pretty much the same.
If I ever camp a Yone as Eve and they rage about it, I'll tell them that Vars sends his regards.
Started playing jungle and I can honestly say she’s a blast to play.
I love eve, it is so fun to scare your enemies with your W and just flash in and R out in a blick of a sec
An assassin and thrives in 1v1’s instead of 1v5ing? Wow incredible. Wish we had more of those.
Imagine not having resets lmao
-riot, probably.
Eve was my first main when I tried out jungle. She's a good champ to learn fundamentals with. My favourite cheese gank is to hide in the alcove after my first clear. She still has kill potential pre 6 if you communicate with your laners. The best thing they can do for me is to place a pink in a bush I'll be hiding in. Enemy places a ward, vision is blocked by the pink, they instinctively try to destroy it, and that's where I come in.
My favourite champ despite I failed spectacularly right from the first attempt trying her and three more times later. She has that high risk high reward feeling when you play her. Even when you get ahead, you only get more damage and regeneration, you still have to calculate your approach.
The old eve, the malice and spite one, had basically a global taunt like Teemo. I used to build her with triforce and tank items just to be the most reliable frontliner on my team. The ult also healed on takedown, so you'd be pretty much a tank. Good times.
Yes, the new one is obviously better.
Remember when she was a Shadow Isles champ?
Eh as much as I loved old Eve I know it was unhealthy. New Evelynn has clear points of counterplay and has some of her most frustrating parts of her kit taken out and replaced with utility.
That said, I miss old Eve speed boost, it was just so satisfying to use and the refresh always felt good. People never respected the speed, so all skill shots would miss if the player just winded their pathing a little. It’s the main reason I just can’t play new Eve, she feels so slow.
The best thing was when she applied a stun instead of a slow when attacking someone out of her stealth.
New Eve feels even more unhealthy tbh. The counterplay put in place has counter-counterplay Evelynn can utilize (casting Q at max range from stealth right before the charm arrow shows her location, so that the Q reaches the target as the charm finishes cooking. As someone else that misses old Eve and wants more out of the new iteration, I would gladly take heavy nerfs to her charm to put extra flexibility in other parts of her kit. Some example ideas to bridge the gap while adhering to her role as an assassin:
W mini rework, nerfing the charm itself but providing other benefits for her to utilize
W charm duration vs champions: 1/1.25/1.5/1.75/2s -> 0.5/0.75/1/1.25/1.5s (Monster charm duration compensated with an extra 0.5s duration)
W cast range vs champions: 1200/1300/1400/1500/1600 -> 750 (just outside detection range)/850/950/1050/1150
W cast range vs monsters: 1200/1300/1400/1500/1600 -> 1600 at all ranks
NEW! W: While Allure is priming and up to 0.5s after it is fully primed, or detonated early, Evelynn gains 30/40/50/60/70% movement speed toward and around W's target.
W arrow indicator appears after: 2.5s (When charm is fully primed) -> 1.5s (giving the target an extra second to react before she can CC them)
W Magic Resistance shred: 25/27.5/30/32.5/35% -> 5/15/25/35/45 flat (Eve is supposed to be an assassin, not a tank shredder. At the very least she should end up playing as both by building the same items.)
E mini rework, enabling physical and on-hit builds that forego much of her magic damage
E Flat damage amount: 55/70/85/100/115 -> 35/55/75/95/115
E Flat damage damage type: Magic -> Physical
NEW! E deals additional damage equal to 50% of her bonus AD
Empowered E bonus damage removed. Instead, empowered E now attacks all targets twice, applying on-hit effects to her primary target each time
NEW! Empowered E now grants Evelynn bonus attack speed on her next three basic attacks. This bonus attack speed can exceed the normal cap, up to 3 attacks per second.
Bonus attack speed: 40/60/80/100/120%
@@PopcornBunni I wouldn't say new Eve feels more "unhealthy" (I know I used the term before, but I realized it's a weird vague descriptor of gameplay patterns), rather her gameplay and counterplay is more linear and flat. Old eve had flexibility by moving in and out with her speedboost and reset, making it feel good to juke opponents abilities and playing mindgames with them even out of stealth. New eve needs to commit all in or her ult to achieve the same effect, which is more fair and allows more power budget to go to her damage, but it's not as fun.
I like the idea of a speed boost on W target once primed, though I will say that your point about Q having too much"counter-counterplay" is sorta the point of Q. She has a "ranged charm" but it's harder to activate optimally because of the long prime duration, and it's gated behind having to land a skillshot. I believe that W is considered balanced and also inconsistent among higher skill players, where even though you can activate it with a targeted E, Q2, or auto-attack, it takes long enough to prime that most good opponents reposition into a safe place by the time you can even proc the charm. That's why some just use it for the slow and MR shred instead. It punishes out of position people really well, as it should.
Also, highly mobile assassins are already a problem, and while I like the speed boost idea, I'd worry it would make Eve too effective in catching people out. This is why both versions of Eve need to absolutely be ahead in order to be effective. The smaller losses in damage wouldn't fully compensate for the higher effectiveness of her W, and it would likely make her even more Feast or Famine than she already is. Even if you move some of that burst and scaling into an on-hit build through E, I think that just makes the current Eve playstyle unplayable while not really making on-hit viable. The only reason she was able to build that way then was because her speed boost made it possible to stick to enemies. It would just be worse base eve build because instead of bursting people she catches with W, she would have to more slowly auto them. She doesn't have the durability or kit to survive any long-terms duels with anyone, so she just wouldn't be picked and Xin Zhao or other better auto-attacking champs would be. That's also exactly what happened to old on-hit eve, burst was better and on-hit was just worse than her competitors.
Omg Vars the first minute montage is edited so good. So so good.
I love how in the end Yone is always and will almost certainly always be the problem xD
Love it when he shifts the topic into hating Yone 😂
Classic Vars (from not a Yone players I promise, used to be an OTP Ashe, then Braum, then Pyke, now starting to pick up Samira and Senna)
At the time I didn't understand but after the Poppy rework, Mordekaiser Rework and the upcoming Skarner rework, I do now. My brother stopped playing the game after Evelynn got reworked. She and Sion were his favorite champs and both of them kinda got gutted.
He loved playing Evelynn as an AD on-hit champion. Using Rageblade (Devourer) along with BorK for some incredibly quick burst.
Eve is among my top 5 favourite champions. I love her because she feels so fun but also like you have to earn that fun by playing smart.
if by playing smart you mean literally pressing W + R from invis
I used to play first rework Evelynn on mid
It was a really great pick, the enemy mid couldn't know if I was roaming or just waiting for him to screw up
Invisibility was balanced before the Vision update sometime in season 5. That is, people could buy Pink Wards, which were also invisible themselves and you were NOT limited to them either. After the vision update, the pink ward became visible and limited to 1. This basically meant invis became completely OP since you can only have 5 pink (control) wards on the map at one time.
Holy cow Bayonetta music fits perfectly with Evelynn. Nice.
I love everything about Eve, and god is she fun to play.
But playing as her makes you see that she’s really not that OP, she is ass if you catch her out and the stealth detection range is fairly forgiving
Used to play her as a roam top lane before rework.
gunblade, triforce, titanic hydra
it was fun as hell lol
the old eve was so funny. you could build her with AD, attack speed and lifesteal and she was a good duelist, full AP she was bursted, but i LOVED her AP off tank build. rilay, liandry, randuin(changed for dead man's plate on the tank rework), spirit visage and in full late game you changed the smite item for gunblade
I miss it so much. I would go lethality, crit, full lifesteal or tank whenever i felt like it and it was really fun ^^
Been waiting for this one
Playing evelynn and being fed is one of the most FUN things in this game
next to warwick eve is my fav rework and made actually play stealth champs thanks her making it interesting to skulk around the bushes waiting for mid to over extend
Something that's not written in the ability is that Allure reveals Evelynn's position relative to its target once the 2.5s buffer is up- so if the Evelynn player fails to proc the charm, the target can get a pretty good idea of where she is, neutralizing her as a threat.
I really believe Allure is one of the best-designed abilities in the game.
yeah but you cant really miss the charm
@@Tiagocf2 ¿¿¿I guess that's technically true??? Allure is point-and-click, but it doesn't do literally anything on its own. You have to proc it with a different ability or attack in order for any of Allure's effects to be applied. The easiest way to do that though is with Hate Spike, which is a skill shot. To proc Allure with everything else you have to get within camo detection range.
Champions passive years ago:
Minions deal 50% damage.
Champions passive now:
Passive - Dirty Fighting
Every three hits from Akshan’s attacks and damaging abilities deal a burst of physical damage. If the target was a champion, Akshan also gains a shield.
After attacking, Akshan fires a second attack that deals reduced physical damage. The second shot can be canceled like a regular basic attack. If Akshan cancels the second shot he gains a burst of move speed.
I really miss old eve. Then again as someone who really enjoys the older champions like eve and chogath old galio that didn't fit entirely into the meta... I think at this point the game has evolved in a way that just isn't for me at this point.
It’s just not the same game anymore.
Damage and healing is ludicrous.
Games were slower, fights were slower, jungles and supports weren’t capable of 1v9ing.
Now the game is pretty much decided at 10 minutes and a race to ff at 15/20.
You aren't alone. Old Eve was my third most played champion, and now she might be lucky to make it into the top half. The flexibility she offered by going different builds against different team comps was unparalleled, and she had a lot better clear speed with her W movement, repeating Qs, and ridiculous double on-hit AS steroid, meaning she could do a lot more with her time than she can now. Her clear is so slow and dangerous for her now that she can end up feeling like you would be better off playing fucking yuumi jungle if the enemy invades just once.
Not to mention the charm that she never needed in the first place devolving her gameplay to be focused entirely around it while removing her primary engage and roaming tool.
There are some inaccuracies regarding Evelynn's earlier versions. Season 1 Evelynn was without a doubt one of the most unfair assassins in the game since her first ability out of stealth wasn't a Slow like mentioned in the video but a 1.5 sec Stun. Combine that with her E that had a ridiculous AP scaling and procced Lichbane and you would routinely get oneshotted out of true stealth without any counterplay. They later removed her stun which made her much worse.
When she received her first rework things actually became much, much worse at first and she became one of the most opressive midlaners (even in proplay) until she got nerfed.
You see her ult didn't deal damage based on current hp like mentioned in the video but max hp and had a really great AP scaling (+1% damage for 50 ap) which led her to routinely nuke half of the enemy team for 35%+ of their max HP out of stealth + slowing them for 30-70% + getting a ridiculously strong shield for every enemy hit. This was also during the Deathfire Grasp meta which increased her damage potential even further. The playerbase being less skilled on average back then definitely helped her as well.
Her ult was ultimately nerfed to deal damage based on current hp but old Evelynn was absolutely wild both at release and after her rework and she was without a doubt one of the most oppressive characters in the game for quite a while, both in her "base" form and after her first rework.
Haven't played the game for a while now, but when I did I mained Eve, and when I saw this video's title I was like "ARE THEY REWORKING HER?" and went to look through patchnotes before even clicking. You scared me for a second there, haha
As Evelynn main since 2009, I appreciate this video.
I don't see a lot of Eve mains in my rank, she's not really popular overall, possibly because she is actually balanced as an assassin. You don't get bullsht with her, she doesn't go into 5 people and get out alive because of her insane healing or anything, she doesn't burst you down 100/0 without warning/without counterplay. Of all assassin jg eve and rek'sai (old ult reksai) are the two best, period.
I do not know about eve pre rework, but I think right now she is healthy and a macro oriented jungler for solo q, she plays with vision and force people to respect her post 6, and she can outplay with her ult from time to time. Eve is not the most consistent champion there is, but she teaches the player to be better because of that (aka use your minimap, use vision instead of relying on blind mechanics)
If she’s fed she can literally one shot a tank without warning with just q and autos
Its true that old eve was a bit of everything but i think old eve with trinity force was pritty broken as all her damage came from E + trinity force (sheen effect) her W an instant gabcloser on top of pasive stealth. Witch made your ganks at level 3 verry deadly as you did had your stealth pasive at level1. Sneak up + movment + burst on first hit and then a bit of hate spike spam. No warning. Just got out of stealth with tons of movment. (And later you go some more bruiser for extended fights against beefy oponents). Her rework is verry good but like vars said you now know when she's about to strike. mostly.. and removing her insta mobility (witch im not that happy about) made her easyer to catch
A fed eve can one shot with her e and q without even using ult
@@evo3481 true a fed one on a squishy champion with a few items under her belt. The trinity force in the past did thesame but better and you became tanky / did sustain damage on top
I have never really found her hard to play against. But then again I do know a lot of tricks for dealing with her.
1. Invade her whilst shes doing her first camp as she struggles to clear without a leash.
2. Invade her again at 5mins when she goes for her lvl 6 powerspike.
Most eves tend to fall apart quickly if you pull off this stratagy.
I got my first ever penta on the old evelynn, but thank god for that rework, she needed it.
Hey Vars! It's great to see you grow so much since the realm days. Believe it or not, I started playing lol! It's fun to watch your videos knowing whats going on now :)
HEYY ITS HITMONBUTTCHEEKS XD
Also NOOOO DON'T PLAY THIS GAME. SAVE YOURSELFFFF
LMAOO
i can't thank you enough cuz i think all eve mains out there can truly feel understood and appreciated from some1 after watching this video!
Great video as always
Reminding to like trough text wirhout interrupting the flow is Nice
I still remember coming into the game when evelyn just got here rework and thinking to myself “wow she looks great!”
Riot did a good job then
I remember playing pre-rework Evelynn jungle where jungle start was cloth armour and 5 health potions. The clear was very awkward, but on the hand her gank potential was pretty good (I think) and if I got ahead with her she quickly became a huge nuke threat to the enemy team.
Var's sudden random Yone rant on his vids never fail to make me laugh xD
I think you got something wrong :
On her first iteration, Shadow Walk was a stun not a slow. It was not a stat-check champion at all, it was an assassin that could stun you from invisibility. She used to gank lanes very early to gain 3 or 4 kills and then could completely obliterate everyone except tanks white they were stunned. It was changed to a slow later and after the change no one played her anymore.
Her passive that reduced minion damage was there for a reason : back in the day, minions did way more damage and champions had less health at low lvl. Taking fights early was really hard, but Evelynn was all about getting fed early.
Her E was her engage, dealing tons of damage with a lich bane and reducing the magic resist to let her Q spam deal more damage.
The important part of her ultimate was the passive and the move speed, letting her stay on her target, then immediately hunt another one (with the huge heal).
These were not random abilities, they worked very well together. Too well even, than Riot changed her stun to a slow in what became at the time the biggest nerf ever seen and completely broke her gameplay. Stat wise, Evelynn was built like an assassin, she was very squishy and couldn't take a fight without a clear advantage, so now that her ennemies could react to her engage she was completely useless. Some people tried to play her like a hybrid bruiser after the nerf, but it was mostly seen as a troll pick. People dodged games when their teammates picked Evelynn, at that time, it was that bad.
as a eve main, i love you for making this
As an Argentine I am happy that you have put a clip of josedeodo.
you got my like
The Old Looks was so Nostalgic we Really gonna miss the old one
Video goes hard as usual
10:01 quick correction: after you put a point in the ultimate because that’s the passive on this ability and not directly a component of her actual passive
This is my 10th face check ad today sheeesh
The very first iteration of Evelynn had a 2 second stun which was nerfed into a 3 second slow instead. The second iteration did in fact do max health damage on R however was nerfed to current health afterwords.
12:58 E does bonus damage if you cast it from your passive, you should use that first
For me, it was the best phase of the game when Riot reworked her, Warwick and Urgot, and then Nunu and Pantheon.
I love Evelynn. Her kit is so fun and I like having my macro challenged
NA user: The Evelynn
I was top 10 NA Evelynns on lolskill back in the day.
I started playing I'm Oct. 2010 and she was instantly my main. Her old, old kit was so funny. Anyone could die on the enemy team, even if I didn't participate. I'd look for allies about to get a kill, then I'd go dive the enemy for a free heal and then another when I get the kill.
The 2nd (current) rework saddens me greatly as somebody who mained her for 8 years. I still love her, but not nearly as much as she used to.
imo she had the most diverse build path in game, if anyone's curious I can back it up, my builds varied greatly by match and I hardly went ap glass cannon. Now she's entirely forced into ap glass cannon.
The new w is easily the most boring ability in the game to me, I can go like 4 was in a row which are literally just a short little slow, or a little spook for the enemy to make them walk back a sec. If she simply had her last w, I'd be so happy as a main. I didn't like how they turned her into not a reset character, she always was one. Also her r went from an engage to a disengage, so many moments where I wish I could've started with old r, because cc stops the new r in a lot of crucial moments. I'm okay with the new r, though, I understand. It's cool too and fitting.
I had so many skin ideas for her, she had pretty meh skins for a long time, some of the news ones are cool. They released coven Eve on my birthday, but I never paid for it, since I didn't wanna put anymore money into Riot, I've put plenty into them in the past.
I was much stronger with old Evelynn, even though I know general community is better with new Evelynn. Her late game build used to be so nuts, but then it was okay, but now it's kinda good again if I force out this once build that's super slow and expensive.
I prefer to main her mid or top, but they forced her out of it.
Shaco and Evelynn are my favorite champs to play. Terrorizing the lanes like they do will always be fun to me.
Eve main here for 4 years and i agree with a lot of the things here. Great job
I'm intrigued to know the "research" that's been done in the making of this.
Before I recently started watching more lore videos for League of Legends, I had no idea that Evelynn was an older League champ. I thought she was a fairly newer champ from soon before I got interested in League at all (I've only had an account since 2020). I think she looks great and from some of these older gameplay clips it makes it even more pronounced that some older champs are definitely in need of VU's!
Man, all these Evelynn videos im getting recommended to me REALLY makes me want to pick up LoL again just to play Eve again
I’m an Evelynn main, and honestly I feel like she is definitely a killing machine if you can get ahead enough in game. 💖
I remember eve was getting reworked as I was just getting into this game. I was playing her a bit and when i saw the teaser video for her rework I was so confused. I thought they were releasing another champ with the same name since I didnt know reworks were a thing.
This retrospective was really spot on. Sadly, the current one struggles in the current meta while the other one would thrive.
Love to see you are still scared of me good to know vars
I would be really glad if you could cover the class reworks.
Been an Eve main pre and post rework and i loved every bit of her when they was still trying to figure her out and make her viable. A true adventure it was watching the development of a head cannon she became.
The first iteration you posted was actually after one of the biggest nerfs in old lol. Eve's first stealth would grant a stun instead of a slow on the first hit. Riot changed that to a slow later. Eve spent years in that deplorable state and was later reworked along with Twitch. That's when they introduced Camouflage for her.
I remember that i fell in love with the old Eve, i used to play her in midlane with the old Duskblade, Liche and Gunblade and LITERALLY delete squishy champions with no reaction time, so f*cking precious.
Oh maaaaaaaaan.. thought eve was getting a new rework for a sec, was so excited
I think out of the 15 games of Ev I’ve played I’ve had one actual good game and it was insane. Other than that I got throttled the entire game
This is my go to jungler in Wild Rift. For some reason, I lose all of my IQ, but when I use her. Boi do I love one shotting everyone with flash, e, ult combo in late game
I love the Bayo music :)
Seeing the new Evelynn was *THE* Reason why I came back to the Game.
I'm still amazed that they were able to actually balance a Champ with Perma Stealth, her Ult feels great and her Design is amazing.
The Thing about her Ult is: Yes, it's an untargetable AoE Disengage and Execute, but it's also her Ult. The Thing with having your Ult be your biggest Source of Execute Damage *and* Escape Spell, means that if she doesn't have Ult, she's extremely weak and can barely dare to take any Engagement. If you catch her out of Position even once and force her Ult, you are basically taking her out of the Game for the next Minute.
I remember learning eve it wasn’t easy but since I was a yorick main and had learned how to split push effectively and safely meaning looking for the enemy and tracking them not just brainlessly pushing a lot of the learning was just in pathing so it was almost impossible to track out of all champs in the game camp sequencing on eve is probably the most difficult because you are so easy to invade so you have to play around that reverse full clears standard clearing leashless raptor/wolf start she’s very versatile but for a farming champ her clear isn’t that overwhelming
She also has one of the highest reveal ranges in the game so while her stealth is a big advantage it’s hard for her to get in close to someone paying attention unlike any other stealth champ who either have a fairly low reveal range, massive gap closers, or are ranged
12:43 Holy shit this blew my mind. How have I played her all these years and not known that? 😩
I used to be an eve main before the latest rework. And I have to add an unmentioned nerf she got, she used to be able to hide behind towers, that is you could approach someone attacking a tower and be already in melee range before they even spot you. I personally liked the freedom you had in building her, you could go AP AD Tank on-hit crit. It did not matter what you built, it all worked and i found it great. I did personally dislike the rework due to my playstile. I used to ambush people from terrain corners and bushes to engage on targets already in melee range but new eve is not like that at all... you dont need to think about how you engage just throw charm and run at them. It feels much more brain dead.
I mained Evelynn during first seasons and reached a very high skill level and even remained very effective post-nerfs... until she got reworked, and Evelynn was never fun again. Pre-rework Evelynn could be built several different ways depending on situation; I often built speed and Critical damage to abuse her speed burst and shred the strongest of enemy champions in a second when fully built which isn't mentioned on the video. Now there's only AP build. People who started playing after 3rd season have no clue of all the fun they missed.
thank you
Eve is very easy to counter. All junglers have to do camps. Knowing where she paths from camps, there's a limited amount of places she can now approach even when invis.