Top 5 Mistakes in Racing Games (& Sim)
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2024
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Scott Mansell, racing coach from Driver61 and the new Driver61 Sim Racing channel explains what the most common mistakes are and how to fix them to improve your racing game and sim racing performance.
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Consistency. Me and her don’t get along for more then a few laps.
For me: not finding the limit between loosing grip and loosing time...
Was: Braking too late - FIXED
Was: Vision - not looking far enough ahead - FiXED
Is: New Pedals (load cell) - not braking enough to slow enough for the corner (slow corners like Monza T1) or braking too much so I can accelerate way too early - WIP
For me, it's my braking coupled with turn in points. Some nights I'll be spot on lap after lap, next night I can't seem to get any of it right
I'm guilty of all of these, but I didn't realise how big an issue my vision was until quite recently. Been working hard at it, and I'm already faster and more consistent.
“Lungers” and “dive bombers” constantly ruin races for me. You’re 3 car lengths behind me, but you think it’s ok to barge your way through the corner.
Yeah yesterday I got rammed off playing GT Sport during the Sardegna - Road Track A daily race. It was at that sequence of turns in between the two hairpins in the second half of the lap by a guy who just decided to try and send one in the corner leading up to the last hairpin. Like that corner is not an overtaking opportunity, nor were you anywhere close to passing me.
Also in the FIA Manufactures race at Brands Hatch, a dude wiped out 3 other cars at Westfield on lap 1.
the dive bomb only works if you are half second behind but most people want to overtake you from 2 seconds or one second behind and it ends in a fantastic crash, i send to them videos about overtaking its easier than raging at them
It is like a lot of people get hypnotized by having a car in front, and they HAVE to get passed no matter what.
I just callem rammers!!
If it physically hurt them, they'd not do it.
Please react to Forza Horizon 4 "racing", just for the giggles...
Oh yes...
It's still racing
@@briocheman21 Most of the times it's not.
@@AlbertoDsign what is it then
@@briocheman21 A bunch of people who make all of their cars handle the same by v12-awd-swapping everything, yet they're unable to control them so they resort to ramming every car, doesn't matter if it's a teammate or whatever.
I've been doing the hobby for 20+ years, and I've never seen it so well described. Great job, a must watch for all new comers and those needing to reassure the fundamentals.
I love how you explain this helps me alot new to sim racing
Totally agree
Mistake number 6: Insisting on using the full track out area of one corner and then moving aggressively to the other side to utilize the full width of the track for the next turn in the opposite direction. Spins usually result from this and I think goes nicely with the "compromise" part when you have a series of corners one after the other.
I thought you've given up this channel. Glad you haven't. I'm really looking forward to videos about car setup. As i remember you mentioned you were gonna do those. Also, thanks for this video.
Wow, same here lol. I was just checking for new content about an hour ago and saw the last video was several months old. And now this just popped up :D
We're getting back up and running!
@@driver61simracing10 WELCOME BACK!! We missed you!
I am one of those naive people who thought braking hard and having the car slide meant it's at the limit. You explain these things very well and it's very easy to understand. Good stuff, I can't wait for more
Great video as always. Quick point regarding driving lines: setting up the correct FoV helps you figure out where the wheels are so you can put them in the right place! I also think that watching your own replays is helpful to see if all the track is being used and where you can be more aggressive.
I can apply some of this to dirt oval. I’ve been trying different techniques, talking to faster drivers. My best laps are when I feel like I’m going slow. As I keep practicing, I know I’ll get faster/smoother. My favorite overtaking tactic is to worry them into a mistake. When the track gets slick like ice, I start to trail brake, stay on the gas to some degree to keep the car loaded. I may even slightly drag the brake to adjust the attitude of the car. This is all a work in progress. I’m am not a really fast racer. My car though is usually intact in the end.
I really like your videos and content and the way you present it. They are not too long but straight to the point. Keep up the good work! :)
The most important thing in racing for beginners is early on brakes and fast exit............
I learn a lot of things from you...
It helped me alot..... Thanks......
Scott, I really appreciate the content you make. Thank you.
nailed it once again! love your sim racing content :)
Very helpful and useful information Scott I’m happy I found you on youtube a few months back, keep up the amazing content! Cheers from Canada
Thanks very much for watching!
Extremely informative and super helpful.
I'm going to apply these fundametals and see if it leads to magic.
Great set of tips, thanks!
I am definitely gonna use those advices thank u
Excellent video. Well explained. Thank you.
Thank you for all this advice ! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Very informative ! thank you!!!
If you only have 9 minutes to get better in (sim) racing this is all you need (and then hours of practice, of course). A short view of the most points you make on more detailed videos. Great content, as allway!
Regards from Portugal.
Best think I ever did was start watching delta timers to see where I was losing time. That and VR, I can't ever got back to flat racing and hit those apexes.
I started sim racing in VR.. I tried once a flat screen as my Oculus was out for repair.. couldn't do it.. not the same experience at all..
the trick is more monitors. I run 5 on their sided and prefer it over VR (at least for now)
@@TimBaoht you run 5 monitors turned sideways? Is that what you are saying? How is that done??
@@1976Cordoba No different than 3 monitors, except you flip the orientation in the windows display options. AMD or 1080ti sli is required. But unfortunately it seems as if AMD is ditching there support for multi-monitor gaming.
Great video, thank you.
Every time I watch your vids I’m thinking ‘yeah I’m ok I do that’.... but do I ? I’ll have to have a check!! Thanks for sharing 👍🏻🏴
Brilliant tips. I suck so, I definitely need these
great stuff.....thanks
Very informational content, thanx!
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Very helpful, thank you.
You're welcome!
I think all thiis is valid and well put. The trouble is whilst ita fine for hotlapping its terrible for racing when people still try and take the perfect line and not stay in their lane :)
Thanks for all the tips, they should be elaborated in a longer fashion :)
What do you think about better turning into corners by underrotating rear tires? And vice versa by accelerating out of the apex? Does it make sense?
Good video! I just read my Driver61 Scorecard from the Champion's Journey measurement tool. Ended up with a total score of 49%. So I guess I have to practice more! =)
I learned a few things here thanks. So I'm a pad driver so I know that I'm not a shoe in for precise control but I do a few things that help me both in making better lap times and races, for instance since my main poison is F1, I have a trail by fire experience where I can use simple techniques and advanced strategies to get ahead. One thing I often do is coasting corners, especially high speed ones, where I take the momentum and of the car and let it guide me through the corner. This is my favorite move for the 1st corner at Shanghai, as I can easily gauge the racers around me by purposely understeering into the corner and watching their exit strategies. The ones with better handling and pace are consistent, while slower paced drivers and impatient racers squabble for position at that junction.
To be fair I still use a host of assists still and am slowly weaning myself from them as my skills and understanding expand(still wish I could stop flashbacking but one step at a time right?) And as such I take away one more assist until I hardly ever use assist at all.
Also as of writing this, my tv, died and was an absolute brontosaur so the view was terrible and I just had to focus on the main action and leave minor and unimportant(as I can prioritize them) info out of my mind.
Thanks!
Great advice 👍
Listening to these videos is great implementing these things is hard 😂😂
Hi Scott- can you please do a special video on proper seat + pedal + wheel position setup for a sim rig, specifically to emulate a GT3 car? I have an 80/20 rig (Simlab P1X) with a Fanatec DD1, Sparco Grid Q, and HE Sprint pedals, and can configure to pretty much anything... which is both good and bad. Any guidance you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Totally agree with the 'using the whole track' but on the flip side, one of the corners you showed (turns 1 -2 Laguna Seca) is not a great example as it can be competitively taken with a tightening radius, single apex turn instead of the maybe traditional double apex. kind of like turns 1 - 2 on the original top gear test track, with different drivers swearing their chosen line was faster. Personally, I think there are a few factors to consider. Vehicle layout & drive type, race distance / tyre wear, fuel loads / weight & brake balances, I can go on into suspension and geometry too if you like?
Jks... great vid for refreshing the fundamentals! XD
3:08 Always being on the throttle or brakes is the fast way to drive for the majority of corners only when it is combined with a correct initial brake technique, trail-brake technique, and initial throttle-application technique, I understand for a beginner it's not adviced to focus on this more advanced lesson too early, they will lose their strong foundation on these more important items, so rather than learning the ultimate best way to drive on the racetrack, it is best to build your skills toward it. So it is encouraged to have long coast periods in the beginning”.
Depends on the corner. Mostly yes but on incredibly long tight corners this doesn't really apply.
Great simple instructions, well presented. All we need now is to stop idiot dive bombers and we’re set👍
I have a slight problem with #2. With some vehicles (possibly dependent upon the sim and physics, but going off of GT series from experience), it may be necessary to have slight input one way or another. NSX is currently my manufacturers cup vehicle, and through many of the lower speed turns, and some high speed, if you dont give it ~10% on throttle or brake, either a nasty slide or a spin is gonna be the result of trying to throttle out where you normally need to. I do drive on a pad, so it's more painstaking to keep good, consistent control, but that has helped a lot with a lot of MR vehicles for me
Very nice video and guide ☺ the very low frame rate of the recorded race clips is rather distracting though. Either the video capture frame rate is set too low (looks like 25 fps) or the PC hardware running the game needs an upgrade ☺
hi! I like you chanel, i would like to suggest a topic. Configurate your hardware. maybe they are accelarating or braking too fast/early cause the wheel is not conffigurated right in the game.
Number two is me... Specially FWD since I'm strictly controller player. I used to be a heavy number 4 but still haven't got trail braking
Hope you some more lap breakdowns of people's uploaded videos.
more please
I'd disagree with 4:06 and 4:26 a bit. Thou rest of the video is great!
What D61 describes is just technique to get the most out of an exit. Properly done it will NOT loose time on entry and mid corner. Thou this being a beginner friendly video that would happen in practice.
And ideally the length of the straight should have no impact on how we should approach the corner (on a flat track). It's kind of a fallacy and double edged sword really. Telling fresh simracers to focus on exit speed for long straights might improve their laptimes short term but, they will hit a "wall" later on when this advice starts working against them. So personally i avoid it like a plague.
Still great effort with these videos Scott! :)
I had a problem with one guy in Assetto corsa, spa GT2Gt3 public server. I was 2,5 seconds faster, but the problem was the way of cover the position. This guy taken the middle of the track, leaving the minimum space at both sides, and when you decide which side take, he close de door 10m before the breaking point. After make that 3 times, on 4th after orouge straight, the accident was inevitable XD Have you got a video about how to protect your position correctly for make a bit of spam in some chats? XD
Potato get your own server and ban people like this guy.
Generally public servers are cancer in assetto corsa.
Can anyone tell me what car that is at around 3:45? Don't recognize it at all but it looks right up my alley, would love to try whipping it around the Nürburgring 🙂
you should do live sim racing with the community
You dont necessarily have to be faster than them to in a section to set up the overtake if you can get them to defend and take a compromised line through a corner you can set up a better exit for yourself and get them on the next corner
Is there an online class I can take where I send in my laps and you give comments on it?
Can you do a video on how to perform a late braking overtake? I feel like the driver on the outside just turns into the apex even if I'm there. Love the content.
Check out unleashed drivers YT channel, they have some videos on overtaking and defending techniques
I'm guilty of a lot of these. Even worse, I've been aware of some and don't fix it
Ok I wanted to watch till the end and I'm glad I did. Even though you say you are a perfessional racing driver. You must know (I'm just a sim driver with not real world experince so you know) It all depends on the car and how that car is set up. So even on a perfect day at silverstone for example. Some cars if not most are just better are that track than others. I feel like a lot of things have to be taken into account when you hit those corner, weather It be slow corners all the way up to fast ones. The one thing I did like though is how you talked about overtaking in F1. That made a lot of sense to me due to the weight and design of the cars and It had never crossed my mind before.
But some of that breaking stuff I don't agree with from a sim standpoint only.
What sim is this in the video please? TY for the video! Great help as always..
assetto corsa
store.steampowered.com/app/244210/Assetto_Corsa/ For the game.
www.racedepartment.com/downloads/categories/assetto-corsa.1/ For massive modding content.
@@i2nupman So its modded thats why its differnt then my Asseto Corsa :)
Step 1 doesn't always make you faster, in terms of using all the track. Of course, hit your apexes consistently but being in the corner for a shorter amount of time can make your laps faster, depending on when and where you do it.
Haha! Shots fired at Riccardo.
Seems like a silly question, but is there a recommended method to memorizing tracks? Is it just repetitive practice? I'm having trouble adjusting to not having the driving line overlay on the track. I didn't realize how much I relied on having either the line or even just the track map on the hud with an indicator of where I was.
Watch a good hotlap video or track tutorial on CZcams. Grab a pen and piece of paper and make notes on each corner and general information that you need to know. At the very least, I write down my approximate braking point, but I'll often write 2-4 notes for each corner.
It seems trivial, but it's a good reference to check when you feel like you're losing time in a corner. Writing stuff down also helps solidify the info in your mind.
Good advise!
Also, learn the circuit in sections, really helps speed up.
@@driver61simracing10 I'm pretty sure it's your advice, I think from your uni video on learning a track? Thanks for all of these videos Scott, they've helped me immensely in becoming a better sim driver.
@@evanway478 the first few laps at a new track I just drive at 50% or so just to get an idea. Then I start taking corners a little faster each time around until I get closer to the limit. Then once I think I've got it memorized I find a video to see how a professional would take the corners, adding their techniques to my laps.
2:30 Acura: "Understeer"? Do you mean "torque vectoring"?
How can you make assetto corsa looks like NFS6?
A great way to learn how to drive is having a 245-290 HP challenging cars with 404-600 HP and be able to win the race... It makes me a better driver in GT with a Steering Wheel....
These advices are obvious but do not help me to go faster whatever I do. The biggest problem with sim racing is that there is no feedback to feel when you are at the grip limit. Basically only the squealing tires can provide you some information, but when that happens usually it is too late.
About the overtaking, if I don't got a good change to overtake vía acceleration on corner exit (this is the most fulfilling way to overtake) or a mistake from the car ahead, simple i don't even try to overtake, divebombing is for shitty and mediocre drivers and is a lack of respect for other drivers
Now if only they could play that last tip for every single driver right before the race starts, that'd be great.
I wanna scan the corner I really do but the 10 year old kid behind me is a pro RAMMER!!!
Everyone should note that the visual examples in this video are all poor driving and he's telling you what not to do.
At the level im racing, wich is low, the key is consistentsy. Don’t overtake the Guy in front wil make a mistake 😏
I dont do any of this mistakes so gg
90% of assetto corsa gt2/gt3 server drivers need to see this
Trying to look ahead at off screen apexes with a single monitor set up because you're poor. Ah the joys of sim racing lol
You hear that fellow sim racers? You're not Danny Ric. Stop dive bombing from too far back.
Someone's been watching charisma on demand.
There is a great picture of Massa correcting his F2008 while still looking ahead.
Is it bad im guilty of at least 3-4 of these
What sim is this?
nvm
I suck at racing,
Sorry to hear that... check out out videos to learn to be quick!
Mistake No1 - trying to be really fast with keyboard or controller.
P.S. as i always do ))
Remember daniel ricciard u don't need to overtake like him🤣🤣 today's his bday
Why am get errror
#6 thinking GT Sport is a sim.
Why your Assetto looks so bad!?
Biggest mistake using a controller
Well done on calling out Daniel (The Crash Meister) Ricciado!
I make much more mistakes than this
This is just racing 101... also, I thought you were going to point out inconsistencies within racing games, not giving advice to new drivers. Misleading title.
Yeah I agree. Good video but title doesn’t match
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Can he pay for my monthly iracing subscription ?
This game looks awful..