The Time Marvel Copied Itself | Ultimate Avengers
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There was a time before the Marvel Cinematic Universe, a time where the entire world didn't really know about "The Avengers"... before the MCU came Lionsgate's Marvel Animated Features.. and the film that started it all was Ultimate Avengers. If you were a Marvel fan from before the MCU's existence, you know what I'm talking about. So let's dip our toes in some nostalgia!
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For many, this movie is what The Ultimates comics should have been: A modern version of the Avengers, but at the same time not ashamed of its roots. And as a movie, I have to say that even though it has several flaws, this movie and its sequel are still holding up pretty decently. A great start to the brief but legendary "Marvel Animated Features"
Wasn't hulk a cannibal in the comics?
@@jaylenharris343 yes '-'
Ultimates 2, the comic, was fun, but that's it.
@Yeehaw ...wtf?
@@jaylenharris343 Yeah, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver were "together". Mark Millar was just the wrong dude to write that book.
This movie made me love Captain America. Him never giving up against the hulk and his struggle to accept the leadership role. The hulk vs the avengers is one of my favorite fights
"You! We're not done yet!"
*Punches the fucking Hulk.*
@@Drop_The_Colony YES, he's such a badass
i was most familiar with The next avengers
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@@Drop_The_Colony Probably my favorite Captain America of all time. It was so badass!
Hulk lifting the hammer makes sense, since this adaptation is based on the Ultimates. In those comics Mjölnir works like it works in mythology. Theres no "worthines" enchantment you just have to be really really strong
Yes, I was so confused by this as a kid
Because of this movie I didn’t know the hammer worked differently in marvel than it did in mythology and this movie, I was still young so it makes sense why I thought that way but I could’ve easily figured out the differences if I had just looked it up
This was basically the 616 Avengers in the 1610 storylines (kind of), honestly prefer Hulk being more of a failed Captain America experiment, adds more to the story.
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Pretty sure that’s what happened in the e MCU as well
@@slimeydacoolguy3916 True but it was a nod at best, they did not make it into a storyline unlike Ultimate Avengers.
Fun Fact: Before Edward Norton was fired, the main antagonist for Avengers (2012) was supposed to be The Hulk. Norton actively advocated for this vision until he was fired
They wanted an actor but they accidentally hired an actor/writer/director/producer/editor! Norton is not a team player, he's a one-man show.
So firing Norton was the event that turned the MCU into what it is now...?
Like a cruel butterfly effect.
For fuck sake, seriously Edward Norton is the hulk/Banner
Edward thinks he's an auteur. Disney has no room for auteurs.
I miss when the Hulk was a wild card, sometimes a hero sometimes a villain.
The Ultimate movies and EMH’s really do make Cap feel like a man out of time, from Ultimate Cap revisiting Bucky and the fallen to EMH’s meeting Fury and telling him about his connections. They truly make him feel like a living legend with no identity in the modern age.
The movie is truly great and I love Ultimate Avengers, but just having revisited the film last night, the only true flaw I could find was that it was extremely rushed. Pacing was unbelievably fast and didn't give you much time to process anything. I would have rather had a three hour film of that though, then Infinity War.
i love that. in the MCU its kinda rushed.
but in EMH and this movie it makes you feel like hes a legend placed out of time trying to make the most out of this bad situation
@@shadowtrooper4435idk about that, I understood it perfectly when I was below 8 years old.
@@marxvargas7697 so did I..but it still felt kinda sped up.
@@shadowtrooper4435as a kid i always had to watch them on vacation trips and i found them lengthy and boring but there’s something about them… i wouldn’t call them rushed!
This Captain America is probably the greatest cinematic Captain America so far, albeit not being fully accurate to neither Ultimate Cap nor 616-Cap (sort of like a mix between the two which was a welcoming change).
And a good thing too. Since ultimate cap is....something else
@@jaredgarcia8638 Good old racist.
@@jaredgarcia8638 Thank goodness this and the MCU had more of the 616 version in them than the ultimate 1610 version.
@@nexusprime2487 I would never like cap If he was written by Mark Millar
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Aspects of this movie are stuff I wish was in the original Avengers movie like having Ant-Man and the Wasp in it, Betty Ross playing a role in Bruce’s story, and Captain America’s struggle with living in a world where nearly everyone he knows and loves are gone or moved on.
Yeah, i kind of missed Betty Ross. Wish they would've kept her in the movies, even if they recasted her. Just keep her as a SHIELD scientist.
Janet and Hank are being forgotten to time. Almost like Marvel wants to phase them out permanently. Which is such a shame because both are my favorite characters in EMH.
Wait… so you’re telling me them not making Steve Rogers a raging racist was the right move? But how else are they going to make him edgy? What’s nuance? Clearly the only way to tell that these stories is by throwing all that out the door and replacing them with one dimensional angst
I actually like racist captain america in the comics because let's be honest if a man from the 1940s woke up in modern times they would probably not be as accustomed to the mindset of modern humans in America also racist captain america is accurately representing most people in america who are racists let's be honest america is a very racist country like, France
@@mickeymouse7726 come on dude not everyone was a raging racist lunatic.
Uhhhh I don’t remember cap being a racist in ultimates or in most of his incarnations
@@ianbruno237 you didn't pay attention then, because he is racist on the ultimate universe.
@@rosalinamacarita01 No hes not lol
LMAO Hulk just punching the shit out of Hank's leg actually SENT me
This movie introduced me to Captain America, Thor, Ant Man, Wasp, and Black Widow but Cap to me is the standout just because of how much guts he showed trying to fight Hulk despite being completely outmatched.
I rewatched that hulk fight hundreds of times as a kid
I was actually hoping they do that fight too in live action
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I still rewatch that fight.
He bodies everybody, and then Nick comes out and is like "you can NOT win, and he's currently sedated! He's nerfed and he's folding you! His hot nerdy gf is the only way!" Pure bad ass energy, hulk feels like a real walking catastrophe. This movie set the highest bar for the hulk, and no one has ever topped it.
One of the best things in this movie back then was that in this version Steve Rogers and Natasha Romanoff start romantic relationship this is something they really could include in MCU infinity saga also this old animated Marvel movie shows best versions of Captain America, Nick Fury, Black Widow, Thor and Hulk
Completely forgot how much of a beast cap was taking on hulk. Walked up to him and hit him with a right hook, even getting hulkt to stumble from it. Cap in general was done well same with everyone
I actually love the first captain america movie alot it's directed by Joe Johnston and it has that Rocketeer type of fun tone that I really like
It's one of those movies where the first 2 acts are fantastic and then it kind of loses me in the third act. They set up his character really well, but were like "Oh wait I guess we need to finish the movie somehow" and it just felt like ticking the necessary boxes.
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It's a good Steve Rogers movie, but not a good Captain America movie. The whole World War II parts just don't feel as heavy as the characterization they gave to the protagonist.
It's like the opposite of 'Wonder Woman', where the best parts were the World War I parts showing Wonder Woman and the weaker ones were of Princess Diana in Themiscyra.
If they made the 'Captain America' war scenes like they did in 'Wonder Woman', with all the struggles people were facing at war, it would've been perfect.
That film is awesome. Steve's relationship with Agent Carter, Bucky, and Howard Stark were frigging great.
My father is a huge comic nerd and this movie was his first time introducing me to the avengers. This movie is more than a movie to me. This movie is a central part of my childhood and the relationship I have with my father
Man, I love that. Cap would be proud.
"They're fighting N4Z1 ALIENS"
Well, the History Channel is gonna have a field day with this one
"Aliens. N4ZI Aliens."
I think something that doesn't get enough appreciating in this movie is how much it tries to have realistic stakes to everything and that is something that I only realize now as an adult.
Captain America having insecurities as a leader makes him fail, but also better for having to deal with that responsability over his own needs. Iron Man having a secret identity hinders him, but also makes him better for having to stand all that criticism in silence. Thor going against his own father leaves him by himself, but also makes him better for having to hold his ground on what he believes. Ant-Man having struggles to follow orders makes him fail, but also makes him better for having to learn to work with others. And all of that is only the characters and their arcs.
All of them are seen as superheroes, but deep down they're all just humans just like anyone else. They have flaws, they make mistakes, they get hurt, they suffer with their regrets, but they always choose to get back up and try again, even if that means sacrificing their lives to do what has to be done in order to do what's right.
Seeing them being almost killed in such brutal ways really made me think about how this story could've easily ended up like an episode from 'The Boys'.
I swear Captain America and Hulk are the two most interesting Marvel characters from a story point perspective. They’re just so fascinating.
Cap - a man out of time, living in a time he doesn’t understand.
Hulk - a man desperate to subdue the monstrous aspect of himself he fears more than anything else.
That is amazing writing points!
It’s kinda funny seeing everyone love this version of Ultimate Cap without knowing how hated comic Ultimate Cap is.
He is not exactly hated, he is not particularly loved or cherished either.
He was the best part of the first Ultimates comic, be it a good or a bad thing.
Yes! So glad I'm not the only one who grew up on the UA movie, most of the new MCU fans have no idea this movie exists, and here I am who has seen it years before The Avengers (2012).
Now talk about the second movie where the 3rd act is basically a mockup for the Infinity War Wakanda Battle (City dome shield, Cap and T'challa fighting together, War Machine armor, etc.)
They should add them to Disney plus honestly
Huh, I didn't even think about that connection
I think it's pretty obvious that MCU fans that care about the Live Action movies more than anything have no childhood for the cartoons.
Wow, it's almost like there were people your age at the same time!
When I first watched The Avengers in the cinema, I was half-expecting the scene in the Helliciarrier to be similar to this film. I mean, can you imagine Cap vs Hulk in live-action?
I LOVED Ultimate Avengers 1 and 2, I had them on DVD growing up. Cap’s “Haven’t you heard? Hitler’s DEAD” line has stuck in my head for years, I don’t even think I knew who Hitler was when I first saw it.
Note: In Earth 1610, the Super-Soldier serum plays an important role in the Ultimate Universe as many parties sought to recreate the serum that created Captain America. This resulted in the creation of the mutants, the spider that bit Peter Parker, the Osborne formula, the Hulk's creation, and Captain America's analogues in Europe.
And the MCU tried to do something similar.
I got this for my sixth birthday and I still love it. This is what made me think Captain America was cool. I thought it was so cool that he stood against the hulk even though he was totally outmatched
Bro I freaking MISS the old Marvel animated movies. Thank you so much for making this!
Same plus the young avengers one and hulk vs one
@TheGlassesPro wrong, dumbass
@TheGlassesPro its different though. It works in animation, just not in live action.
@@NuggetGX It can still work in live action. It’s not just for animation. Not everything’s needs to follow the mcu formula. That’s just your opinion lol. Why do you think a lot of dceu fans like the way the the universe started and we’re fine with it?
@@comicbooknerd3570 because your a fan of the franchise and regardless of what they put out your always going to try to give them the benefit of the doubt. The way the dceu not only started, but ran was a complete mess. Hopefully james gunn can fix it up 🙏🙏🙏
As a kid this was definitive avengers for me. Especially after seeing the kid avengers. It was my favorite trilogy.
I would love for an adaptation of the comics again in a tv form, matching the story of Mark Millar and art of Bryan Hitch down to the last detail. (Obviously this would have to be animated)
I like the movie but I kinda feel sometimes the movie lack progression(like Black widow like captain América because Yes) but still was very cool to see this modern team not being really assholes. I always thought they would made a ultimate spider-man tv show like in the comics(the one we got lets be real dosen't have much ultimate spider-man like in the comics)
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I like that she was more gentle and looked up to Cap when she was talking to him. Also, I agree about Ultimate Spiderman. Would have been very cool to see that comic series made into a cartoon.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lpSpectacular is the closest we have (and at this point it's obvious thst it's gonna be the only thing)
This movie was my first ever exposure to the Avengers! I loved everything about this film, mainly Iron Man's bulkier armor design!
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I wish they made more animated movies like these again. Remember Hulk vs Wolverine/Thor, that shit was awesome.
@@somerandolad and brutal, I'll never forget seeing hulk tear through the asgardian army like they're nothing.
@TheGlassesPro it was cool knowing that, I was confused that thor didn't recognize him when he first saw him though.
@TheGlassesPro source?
Trust me bro
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I remember watching this as kid & absolutely loving it while being taken aback by how different some characters felt. Will definitely rewatch it after this video.
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10:52 that sudden cut is funny
I remember owing this movie on DVD when i was a kid and being so confused after watching the Avengers movie because I thought it was supposed to be an adaptation of the animated movie
You are young and lucky u had tv shows. We used to flip pages of comic books..and that's gold..the OGs
Oh my god, 616 Hank didn’t “beat the shit out of Janet”. It was a misinterpretation of the intended scene on the artist’s part and it was the only time he ever “beat” her. It’s not like he abused her on a daily basis.
Exactly
To be fair in the original avengers comic, they did fight the hulk. He was under Loki‘s control, but still it was a Avengers vs hulk situation.
The animated movie actually introduced me to the MCU so I’m great full for that
Now talk about super hero squad and it’s run of the infinite saga waaaaay before mcu started to really pick up
I remember watching both of these as a kid really thought hulk was gonna pick up the hammer in live action because of this movie 😂
Yes the close captions really do translate chitari to shitari
The Ultimates comic was brilliant.
In the Ultimate comics the Ultimates are technically the Ultimate Universe version of the Avengers. And I love that so much better than the main Marvel continuity.
Even tho it's bad aspects (racist Cap, evil Hulk, evil Ant-Man, and antiquated trends and unnecessary violence) prevent me from putting the Ultimates on my very top favorite Avengers comics, cuz the mainstream OG marvel avengers comics are the ones I like to read the most, the Ultimates are in my 2nd top for it's good parts: the parts revealing the hidden hearts under their jerkishness, the character development they grow most of them, the action, the atmosphere, the modern take helping the Avengers franchise back into sales, and finally the Ultimates comics 1 and 2 did help inspire the MCU (along with the animated movies).
Establishes titles ads always make me laugh hard after what happened
Ultimates cap is the best cap. EMH is 2nd because I feel like he did not live up to his true comic strength.But can we talk about how ultimate was able to 1v1 the hulk? Even tho he defeated Ant Man and Thor and Stark, he still choose to stand up to the Hulk, even tho he knew he was no match. I truly love this Cap wish this was the 2012 Avengers movie. Can we also admire the amount of times Cap was ragdolled? Also I love how he just tell's Hulk am not done with and just punched him in the face was Fucking fantastic!.
Agreed. However, there is no movie or shows that got Cap "fully" right but just some aspects of him.
Like Ultimates is Cap with his compelling man out of time driven story, leadership or tactical skills, never say die attitude and superhuman physical abilities.
EMH is Cap with his inspirational speeches, commanding presence and noble character.
MCU Cap with his peerless fighting skills whether martial arts or otherwise.
There are so many parts of what makes comic book Captain America great that is never adapted to its last drop in his mainstream incarnations. Ultimate Avengers is the closest however.
@@darn4285 💯 and something people don't realize, nor the Dr. Who(pun) created the SSS knew, was that just like Hulk who gets stronger when he gets angrier, Steve does so also to a lesser degree but based on WILL POWER not anger and it explains 90% of 'plot armor' seen in his tales.
People go by his BASE stats of 800lbs overhead lift, but that was 40 years ago and he's grown physically since the 1950s when he had a more slim figure (looks 180lbs) and was very fast and strong back then.
In the late 1980's onward he was 40-60lbs bigger.
That's 40lbs+ of SSS muscle, not regular muscles.
His bones are denser, overall everything is enhanced and in SYNERGY, but most people think he's just on Super Steroids and just 'Strong'.
Cap man handled Iron Fist with only BASIC fighting moves, as narrated straight from Danny's thoughts.
Yet I see people putting IF and others, above Cap on H2H fighting lists.smh.
*1940s
EMH Cap didn’t live up to his full comic strength? The first time he meets the Avengers, he beat them up, and escaped custody by jumping out of a moving plane.
I could never get past the hulk part in this movie, I was so scared of hulk. My fear of him was very sporadic though, I had tons of hulk toys and games, and watched the cartoon all the time, but this movie and anything else scared me. I do remember loving this movie though.
Watched the animated as a young teenager, and my god I loved the voice acting. Especially when hulk punches Hank’s knee out, it felt so visceral. Even Cap’s tired attempts to calm down the Hulk. Hell, even the Hulk was amazing! I came back to watching this not too long ago because the scenes and voice acting are still in my head, I had to rewatch.
Great vid man
In the comics the illustrator misread the script he was supposed to accidentally hit her but the illustrator made it look intentional and they had no time to fix it . And the reason why he was so mad in the first place is because he was kicked off the team, trying to prove to them that he is a substantial member to the team he was in his office for countless days making robots and the wasp was worried about Hank. being frustrated he got angry and did a "get away from me" pose and stuck her across the face
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In the beggining of the Avengers original comics made by Stan Lee, Hulk started becoming a "villain". He didn't want to join the team. I had the opportunity to read these comics. I like the fact that in this movie, like in these comics, included Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Thank you so much for bringing back memories. I have thought about these movies so often as they were also my introduction into the wider Marvel Universe. I wasn’t certain when I saw the title but as I watched and saw the scenes, the memories came flooding back. I watched these two so much growing up. Wish I still had them somewhere
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thank you SO much for making this video. This movie defined my childhood & seeing it get the love it deserves makes me mad happy
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I remember being a teenager when this came out and my father bought it for me on dvd and we watched it together. I really enjoyed it. It was such great writing and performances (Nolan North as Antman) - both of them were great. It's a shame it wasn't a trilogy and that marvel didn't continue making more animated movies like this
In the comics thors Hammer gets heavier the more someone who isn't worthy tries to lift it, but since Hulk is yk "hulk" he succeeds, so it makes sense
They really need to do Spider-Man animated movies in this style, not as a kid but more an adult.
Ultimate Avengers demonstrated to me that Millar never should have been writer for those comics. Plotting, absolutely. But his general distaste for all of these characters no matter what he was writing always shone through.
The thing that I find strange about the Chitauri in these movies is they can shape shift but only one of them uses this ability
I used to watch this as a kid and I could not find it until now
Honestly, this is what the hulk should’ve been in the MCU just purely unstoppable
Turns out the closed captions did both and more.
This movie and it's sequel are the reason why I'm a hank pym fan,
Which is fitting since the ultimate universe pym is the worst
In the 616 universe the panel was supposed to portray an accident during a mental breakdown and that incident left pym a wreak for years,
Meanwhile the ultimate hank pym is legitimately the worst comic character I've ever heard of,
At least everyone else has some redeeming qualities while still being assholes but hank pym is just absolutely awful
I think Hulk being able to pick up mjolnir proves it’s not a magic hammer at all and Thor really is just off his rocker.
Yes, the avengers movies aren't original, the 2 animated movies were the actual blue print. They came out in 2006. But to be honest, it's also annoying how the movies de powered cap. In the 2006 anime movie, the guy flipped a tank to use it's guns like a normal human flipping a book. No effort. And I like how he threw around all those soldiers the moment he woke up from ice, in the movie it was only 2 guys and in the anime he threw around at least 10 guys shooting at him and had no shield
Agreed, people forget how strong he really is in the comics.
They always weaken to him to "humanise" him more.
Oh wow that ad already doesn’t age well 😂
Other than you saying cap was "digged out" instead of "dug out" , nice video. Never saw the animated movie so, awesome, man. 👍
i love this movie i watched so much when i was little and i hate when people say the ultimate's comic sucks or isn't good because it is i mean look at this movie it adapts the ultimate's comic beat for beat and it works and is a good story to the point where they pulled from it to make the mcu
Fantastic movie. Everybody loves it.
11:48
Is it just me or did Cap sound like Steve Blum?
Never saw the 1st one but the second ultimate avengers movie was pretty dope, I watched it a lot
I remember renting this from my local library when I was a kid probably Avengers and even EMH. I could remember some tidbits like hulk forcing thor's hammer and the cap out of time stuff
This is probably my fav Captain America
Ultimate Averagers 2 was my introduction to marvel
I got this at a movie rental place when I was 4 and never returned it
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Hank Pym never beat the shit out of Janet in the original comics. I'm reading the tales to Astonish comics and they're partners.
616 Hank Pym gave her a black eye once when he became Yellowjacket and was going crazy. Ultimate Hank Pym however, was very physically abusive and he did beat the shit out of her. He even sprayed her with bug spray when she shrunk, and then he sent ants to attack her while she incapacitated by the spray. Ultimate Cap then beat up Hank when he found out about the abuse.
I loved this run of Marvel animated movies as a kid!! I still go back and watch Next Avengers: Heroes of Tomorrow and Thor: Tales of Asgard
Yes, same here! I recently bought the complete dvd collection of the Marvel animated movies. So many memories.
I hate it when they get compared to the MCU tho'.
@@cnjetixnicktoonsenjoyer2002 what do you mean?
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp Isn't obvious?? everyone else just cares about the MCU now more than anything else Marvel has back then, like why am I the only one that shows love and support to Marvel's Animation more than it's stupid Live Action movies? why??
@@cnjetixnicktoonsenjoyer2002 that's what I've been saying too! The last thing that truly felt like Marvel was the Avengers: Earth's mightiest heroes show. I've gotten really tired of the MCU, especially because now it feels like everything has to mirror and promote only the MCU. It can't stand on its own. We aren't getting anymore unique and interesting takes on Marvel like these old shows/movies. I've been buying all the old marvel shows/movies on dvd.
Surprisingly, the captions got Chitari right
Being an elder nerd i noticed this right off.
Good video.
I love the Ultimate comics and for me it began with Ultimate Spider-Man. And I remember that it was a new modern take for the Marvel comics.
This movie was definitely what The Ultimates should have been, considering they're much closer to the original Avengers rather than the blatant super soldiers we got in the Ultimate Universe. Of course, a big reason why The Ultimates was the way it was had been the result of a post-9/11 media landscape, in which it was largely Mark Millar critiquing President Bush's foreign policy without explicitly bringing up things like Iraq and Afghanistan or things like that.
Unsurprisingly, those comics did NOT age well, this movie aged much better than they did, and now we have a better version of even THIS with the 2012 movie.
One thing about Hank beating up Janet in the comics: that happened only once and Hank was not in his right mind at the time. That element, as you mentioned, got exploded by Mark Miller in the Ultimates making it an extremely abusive relationship, which retroactively corrupted an otherwise pretty wholesome relationship. Hank Pym was not an abusive asshole.
Exactly. If I believe when Hank went all yellow jacket his mind was messed up
Hank did nothing wrong,he just needed therapy.
@@sonictennyson2201He definitely did some wrong things. It wasn’t deliberate because he was mentally ill, but it was still wrong.
You should do the 2nd one
8:39 Yes it does say shitari
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These movies make the ultimate universe look good with good storytelling and great characters. Yeah, that sounds like the ultimate universe comics (except the ultimate Spiderman comics. Those are great)
I’ve been working on a video like this
honest opinion: this ultimate avengers movie was one of my favourite marvel productions. i like it, ever since the first time i watched it when i was little
finally someone else noticed this!!! I've told my family and friends about how mcu and these animated fils are almost the same, wich is not something bad at all, but any of my friends thought I was right when I told them haha.
I loved "Ultimate avengers movie" it made me get to love marvel and is a very important part of my childhood, it was thanks to this movie that i realized Ironman was my favourite super hero ever, so I was actually very very happy to pretty much watch this movie come true when I watched 2012 "The Avengers" for the first time.
8:47 Yeahh it did. 😂😂😂
Your right
Ultimates comics was great wil to mee i love it 💯💯
Or a video of each animated film at a time 🙂😀😃
14:38 lemme guess.
Whispering
(That's you drawing a sketch of Ultimate Spider-Man?)
I want more animated avengers
I definitely alr knew this tbh robcorp alr said this like a while ago but cool video fr and not only that it took mad inspiration or wtv it’s just more close to 616 in terms of characters because the mcu characters are better then the comics tbh especially captain America he doesn’t feel so goofy he feels like an actual hero
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