Many who saw this movie seemed to go right past the fact that he was just told of his son dying AN HOUR BEFORE THAT and that instead of consoling his wife, he was there with his cadets. And later, his wife seemed to understand that. Civilians don't grasp what is expected of people in those positions
except the movie really stands for the notion that they really aren't fine. They are, from top down, cowardly bullies responsible for racist persecution and other brutality.
@@joeviking61 not sure what you're saying or asking ("quit," what?)...but I'm not criticizing the Citadel or other such institutions. I'm criticizing liberal film makers for besmirching such institutions.
Good to see someone finally upload a video of that excellent movie that is so underrepresented on CZcams, The Lords of Discipline. The title alone is awesome, and the book and the movie only get better from there. 1st comment on this video 8-13-2008
Used to work for a man who was at the Citadel with the book's author Pat Conroy, and who went to Viet Nam thereafter. As you can gather he saw some very rough things, but when he returned stateside he eventually became the CEO of my old company. Fine man to work for.
HENRY OSSIAN FLIPPER,USMA CLASS OF 1877,was the first black graduate of WESTPOINT,HE TOO BECAME A 2 LT AND ONE OF THE FIRST BLACK OFFICERS TO COMMAND BLACK TROOPS,HE SERVED DURING THE INDIAN WARS.
Song gives me chills every time I hear it.It will be played at my funeral as well....for those chanting: The south will rise again? The SOUTH has already risen. It went from Ashes to what it is now.
Yeah, the south is doing just fine now that it learned it’s lesson and moved on from slavery. Sure, they got their ass whooped in biblical proportions, but it had to be done to get it over with quickly and close the chapter on slavery. But the south stood tall after that ass whooping and there is something commendable in that. Just don’t plan on singing that song at public events and you might as well say goodbye to the stars-and-bars flags and the statues of the traitorous generals that tried to destroy our country. It’s an awful chapter in our county’s history that we can’t forget.
No, training makes leaders. Demanding work and setting standards for performance makes leaders. Leaders teaching young leaders by example makes leaders. Pomp and ceremony does not. And in context with the fictional movie, that skinny squirrely dude was corrupt and betrayed his friend and broke the rules of the institution and likely the laws of the state - he’s sitting there with his glass raised, wearing a fancy uniform and a shiny new ring. That doesn’t make him a leader.
When I read this book I was in my first year at St. Thomas Military Academy and read it more than a couple times. Brings back good memories as I even remember reading it right before and right after classes.
@@darthroden Ok then. What makes the southern/confederate 'ideology' so dear to you then? Its inherent exclusivity? The fact that it is inherently reactionary, a word you curiously use to describe me? The fact that it is categorically the worst place to live in the continental US? What, then?
@@MelancoliaI Okay then let's work your questions backwards, shall we? (1) The South is God's Country on Earth (I mean other than that place over in the Middle East). If its "categorically the worst place to live in the US" then why is it so many people -- including yes, racial minorities -- choose to move and live here? (2) I use the term "reactionary" to describe you since you seem to champion the pro-white supremacist view of Confederate heritage and Southern identity respectively. (3) I don't believe I've mentioned ideology at all in my statement. The only thing I mentioned was honoring the Southern dead, which is not (I repeat) NOT an endorsement of either the war itself or any ideology. I hope that answers your questions. Good day.
ONE OF THE GREATEST FILMS EVER.... Because of this film, I STOPPED all FOOTBALL ignitions, and was willing to take on the whole fucking team, even if I had too. I was starting quarterback and NO ONE agreed with me, until I could finally sway one to my side, and that was all I needed. Boy I could fight!! And I beat the shit out of 5 of them. After the 5th, they gave it up, and from that point on, NOT A SINGLE LAMB was touched by any of my senior class!!!
@@payback_carter I was accepted into VMI and the Citadel at the same time. I was at a military academy at the time and I asked all the officers on campus which school was the toughest. Each officer told me that it was VMI and that I probably wouldn’t even make it through the first week. They said I was too goofy. So that’s where I went .
This could have been such a much better movie. As much as I love this film, I have to admit that there are a lot of weaknesses in the plot, especially towards the end. However, it still remains as one of my favorites.......
Good movie, but the book is one of the best ive ever read, simply must be read by anyone assiociated when the south and especailly the historic city of charleston.
@laminage Sure they did. Have you never seen "Grambling's White Tiger" starring Bruce Jenner? Also, Gen Durrell was the Gen who gave Martin Sheen his orders in Apocalypse Now. Great character actor.
nice moment but too bad the story was from self-hating southerner Pat Conroy who never missed a shot at the south. Great Santini I believe was another of his where, despite the great story, south was hammered. In this movie, the commandant there is in the end a villain and the star(s) of the movie are either screwed out of their rings and/or hand them in. Incredibly, the producer tried to get the Citadel (of which Conroy was a grad) to use their campus. Upon reading the script, the Citadel refused.
@captmclain Yeah, I saw that Movie. And to think he's the Stepfather of the most Popular and Highly Dysfunctional Family on TV. They are in my opinion a Guilty Pleasure.
+driffter1976 The setting of the novel (and movie) was during the Vietnam War in the 1960's. Durrell's son was killed in a training exercise for that action.
It wasn't in a train wreck, sailing accident, or while crossing the street - but rather in a military training exercise before being deployed. The movie provides less detail than the book. Quit nit-picking and enjoy the movie.
This scene is slightly different than what took place in the novel. In the novel, the rings were handed out and General Durrell gave his usual speech about the significance of the ring. A few days later, while the cadets were all having dinner, the word went out on the PA that General Durrell's son had stepped on a land mine in Vietnam and was killed. On another note, the comment of someone suffering no pain when dying in combat or training has to be one of the biggest lies ever.
I’m actually completely certain you understand the intent behind the comment you responded to, and in any event I don’t explain myself to you or anyone like you on demand. You can stop being disingenuous now. Just say whatever is on your mind.
The movie is good at best, average at least. But the book... it's as if God and all His angels were speaking into Conroy's ear as he wrote. For the book, "magnificent" is too small a word.
An editor could've spoken into Conroy's ear and done him some good along with the Heavenly Host. It's a fine book, but the baroque, unrealistic dialogue needed desperately to be curbed a bit and the main character's ability to verbally spar everyone he encounters into submission smacks of Mary Sueism.
i read the book prior to the movie being made! good book the movie could have been better. Pat Conory had a hand in the script of ' the prince of tides' which did better on sreen!
@captmclain Yeah but the First Black to attend West Point was Henry Ossian Flippant and they were just as hard on him as they were on Pearce. I would love to see a movie about what it would be like to be a White Student at a Predomintally Black School and see how it would feel for them. The General also played Senator Patrick Geary in Godfather 2.
Don't get me wrong, I live Dixie (The song and the land) but it doesn't make sense for it to be sung here. In the book, his son is killed by Vietcong, and here they sing "I want to go to Vietnam I want to kill some Viet Cong." It's very nostalgic and sad, just doesn't make sense.
DasTubemeister From Wall Mart to union busting to fundamentalist Christians the South has risen again in every sense of the word. By the way, I'm a northern Yankee white male and I LOVE THIS SONG DIXIE!!! It should be the South's national anthem just like the Battle Hymn of the Republic (a song I ALSO LOVE) should be the North's national anthem.
It's a miracle, really. The Citadel has changed a lot over the years, keeping in step with the US Military. I live in Charleston, and did not attend the Citadel, but and have known many, many cadets, including members of my close and extended family. The best thing I can say about it is this: they produce a good product, good earners, respectful gentlemen and ladies.
+Austin Mitchell In the book it was 1967 then ending in 1968. The Man who played The Commanding Officer was also in Godfather Two as Patrick Geary The State Senator of Nevada.
Yes, it's a shame about his dying. I'm sure that Pat helped a lot of people heal with "The Great Santini" not to mention "The Prince Of Tides". I read "The Lords Of Discipline" and how I hated what happened to Pig.
@Yeppr Honorable and fine young cadets are relatively rare at this institution, unfortunately. After 168 years, it has yet to graduate a single cadet who went on to earn the Congressional Medal of Honor. For honorable and fine young cadets, see West Point and Annapolis.
@@thegame6141 Hey...in the novel they were chanting "I want to go to Vietnam! I want to kill some Vietcong!" How a film set in a military college in 1966 can completely ignore the Vietnam War is rather odd, isn't it?
Makes me proud to be a Citadel Man.
Honor. Duty. Respect
i might be next year
Right on brother! C/o ‘99
Many who saw this movie seemed to go right past the fact that he was just told of his son dying AN HOUR BEFORE THAT and that instead of consoling his wife, he was there with his cadets. And later, his wife seemed to understand that. Civilians don't grasp what is expected of people in those positions
That was an absolutely heart-rending scene! Both the announcement of Gen. Durrell's son's death, and the gathering at the home of The Durrell Family.
The Bear says "These are the Finest young Men in the World, and you're one of them" Epic...
except the movie really stands for the notion that they really aren't fine. They are, from top down, cowardly bullies responsible for racist persecution and other brutality.
@@teller121 : Quit huh ?
@@joeviking61 not sure what you're saying or asking ("quit," what?)...but I'm not criticizing the Citadel or other such institutions. I'm criticizing liberal film makers for besmirching such institutions.
I agree. The movie left out so much of the book. Remaking it as a miniseries might do it more justice.
Show McLean get it on with the southern belle
Good to see someone finally upload a video of that excellent movie that is so underrepresented on CZcams, The Lords of Discipline. The title alone is awesome, and the book and the movie only get better from there.
1st comment on this video
8-13-2008
Even though "Dixie" certainly doesn't have any pleasurable or romantic or nostalgic associations for me, this is still a very powerful scene.
Who cares what you think.
Yes it is I agree
Yes it is I agree
Yes it is I agree
Dixie cups.
Loads of nostalgia right there.
Used to work for a man who was at the Citadel with the book's author Pat Conroy, and who went to Viet Nam thereafter. As you can gather he saw some very rough things, but when he returned stateside he eventually became the CEO of my old company. Fine man to work for.
HENRY OSSIAN FLIPPER,USMA CLASS OF 1877,was the first black graduate of WESTPOINT,HE TOO BECAME A 2 LT AND ONE OF THE FIRST BLACK OFFICERS TO COMMAND BLACK TROOPS,HE SERVED DURING THE INDIAN WARS.
Cool. We still have a harder 4th Class System. Screw Off, West Point.
@@payback_carterhaha funny joke
"Boy, you have pissed me off, to the ultimate point of pisstivity"....long live the Bear
Song gives me chills every time I hear it.It will be played at my funeral as well....for those chanting: The south will rise again? The SOUTH has already risen. It went from Ashes to what it is now.
"It went from Ashes to what it is now. "
what is it now ? It is flyover country
An inbred bunch of Trumpanzees? you lost that stupid war, get over it. Billy-Bob.
The poorest part of the country with the worst education and healthcare outcomes?
LMAO and you can keep it. Jackass
Yeah, the south is doing just fine now that it learned it’s lesson and moved on from slavery. Sure, they got their ass whooped in biblical proportions, but it had to be done to get it over with quickly and close the chapter on slavery.
But the south stood tall after that ass whooping and there is something commendable in that.
Just don’t plan on singing that song at public events and you might as well say goodbye to the stars-and-bars flags and the statues of the traitorous generals that tried to destroy our country. It’s an awful chapter in our county’s history that we can’t forget.
Damn good movie when I saw it as a kid. Great story of the times and the issues facing it.
And most people don't understand that it's loosely based on the Citadel during Pat Conroy's time there.
This is so awsome. I was in the Corps of Cadets at Texas A&M University and we had a similar ceremony. This is what makes leaders!
Inbred
No, training makes leaders. Demanding work and setting standards for performance makes leaders. Leaders teaching young leaders by example makes leaders.
Pomp and ceremony does not.
And in context with the fictional movie, that skinny squirrely dude was corrupt and betrayed his friend and broke the rules of the institution and likely the laws of the state - he’s sitting there with his glass raised, wearing a fancy uniform and a shiny new ring. That doesn’t make him a leader.
In the book the Generals son stepped on a land mine in Vietnam and was killed
I wish I could find this version of this song to put on my iPod, it is my favorite of any way I have heard it done.
When I read this book I was in my first year at St. Thomas Military Academy and read it more than a couple times. Brings back good memories as I even remember reading it right before and right after classes.
They sang the song in honor of a fallen son of the Southland. I could only pray that Dixie is sung as my ashes are scattered to the winds.
shut up you child
@@MelancoliaI Make me you reactionary.
Me too. God bless the South.
@@darthroden Ok then. What makes the southern/confederate 'ideology' so dear to you then? Its inherent exclusivity? The fact that it is inherently reactionary, a word you curiously use to describe me? The fact that it is categorically the worst place to live in the continental US? What, then?
@@MelancoliaI Okay then let's work your questions backwards, shall we?
(1) The South is God's Country on Earth (I mean other than that place over in the Middle East). If its "categorically the worst place to live in the US" then why is it so many people -- including yes, racial minorities -- choose to move and live here?
(2) I use the term "reactionary" to describe you since you seem to champion the pro-white supremacist view of Confederate heritage and Southern identity respectively.
(3) I don't believe I've mentioned ideology at all in my statement. The only thing I mentioned was honoring the Southern dead, which is not (I repeat) NOT an endorsement of either the war itself or any ideology.
I hope that answers your questions. Good day.
Awesome movie, awesome song. Of all the versions of Dixie, the one sung in this movie, to me, is the best.
Not to mention, the movie simply rocks.
ONE OF THE GREATEST FILMS EVER.... Because of this film, I STOPPED all FOOTBALL ignitions, and was willing to take on the whole fucking team, even if I had too. I was starting quarterback and NO ONE agreed with me, until I could finally sway one to my side, and that was all I needed. Boy I could fight!! And I beat the shit out of 5 of them. After the 5th, they gave it up, and from that point on, NOT A SINGLE LAMB was touched by any of my senior class!!!
You stopped people from setting footballs on fire?
!!! SUPER !!!
THANKS FOR UPLOADIG THIS,
FROM GERMANY,
MICHAEL
Pat Conroy wrote a beautiful book about being a Cadet, and destroyed it with the fiction. This was a good scene
They cut out the Rebel Yell at the end!?!?! What the hell!?!!!
I read the book before VMI and it scared the shit out of me...lol
Rah va mil
Which is why you didn't go to The Citadel? :) LOL
@@payback_carter I was accepted into VMI and the Citadel at the same time. I was at a military academy at the time and I asked all the officers on campus which school was the toughest. Each officer told me that it was VMI and that I probably wouldn’t even make it through the first week. They said I was too goofy. So that’s where I went .
This could have been such a much better movie. As much as I love this film, I have to admit that there are a lot of weaknesses in the plot, especially towards the end. However, it still remains as one of my favorites.......
I love Pat Conroys novels. What a writer..
HE WEARS THE Ring!
Great book, Good Movie.
!!! BEST PERFORMANCE EVER !!!
Weapons of War are the instruments of mis-fortune and The Dead cannot be brought back to Life.
Great Video!!
i wear the ring. i wear the ring and i return often to the city of charleston south carolina to study the history of my becoming a man... epilogue...
GREAT!!!
almost makes me want to cry
can someone upload the whole movie pls.. thank u
"Hi Mrs Bear"- Pig
@Questafw : I agree but back then they didn't make 3 - 4 hour films. I'd love to see it re-made now.
A lot of things. Not an easy question to answer.
fine song....
Good movie, but the book is one of the best ive ever read, simply must be read by anyone assiociated when the south and especailly the historic city of charleston.
@TejMulen Yes the story is tragic but it is still a great one. Did you think the first black cadet would be welcomed with opened arms?
First time I ever heard the word.. "Poontang" :)
@laminage Sure they did. Have you never seen "Grambling's White Tiger" starring Bruce Jenner? Also, Gen Durrell was the Gen who gave Martin Sheen his orders in Apocalypse Now. Great character actor.
Gene Hackman was born in San Bernardino, California.
*love Dixie
Just saw this movie on TV. They edited out this scene.
@rogueforums : Amen
chin in!
Gentleman I had a long
nice moment but too bad the story was from self-hating southerner Pat Conroy who never missed a shot at the south. Great Santini I believe was another of his where, despite the great story, south was hammered. In this movie, the commandant there is in the end a villain and the star(s) of the movie are either screwed out of their rings and/or hand them in. Incredibly, the producer tried to get the Citadel (of which Conroy was a grad) to use their campus. Upon reading the script, the Citadel refused.
Conroy was a self-loathing white liberal.
teller121 so he hated the south?
He was a scalawag.
yes, thx. I just edited the comment to include the word "southerner" to make that clear. I left out the word earlier.
This was based heavily on The Citadel in Charleston
My Dixie wrecked
@captmclain Yeah, I saw that Movie. And to think he's the Stepfather of the most Popular and Highly Dysfunctional Family on TV. They are in my opinion a Guilty Pleasure.
Killed in military action? What film did you watch?
+driffter1976 The setting of the novel (and movie) was during the Vietnam War in the 1960's. Durrell's son was killed in a training exercise for that action.
That is not" killed in military action"
Apparently jumping off a building constitutes that.
It wasn't in a train wreck, sailing accident, or while crossing the street - but rather in a military training exercise before being deployed. The movie provides less detail than the book. Quit nit-picking and enjoy the movie.
This scene is slightly different than what took place in the novel. In the novel, the rings were handed out and General Durrell gave his usual speech about the significance of the ring. A few days later, while the cadets were all having dinner, the word went out on the PA that General Durrell's son had stepped on a land mine in Vietnam and was killed.
On another note, the comment of someone suffering no pain when dying in combat or training has to be one of the biggest lies ever.
We must retake everything.
Define "we" and "everything" ?
@@johnp4008 Ha ha... I’m betting you already know the answer to both...
@@hiramburgess9925 I'm not so certain.
If you make such an imperative statement, surely you can clarify the specifics? Enlighten me.
I’m actually completely certain you understand the intent behind the comment you responded to, and in any event I don’t explain myself to you or anyone like you on demand. You can stop being disingenuous now. Just say whatever is on your mind.
@@hiramburgess9925he never replied😅
look away, look away
"... und haltet Euer Pulver trocken." (Margaret Mead, 1945)
@Dionysius63 Amen to that
Make that 10-13-2008.
The movie is good at best, average at least. But the book... it's as if God and all His angels were speaking into Conroy's ear as he wrote. For the book, "magnificent" is too small a word.
It sure as hell recruited Me. c/o '99
An editor could've spoken into Conroy's ear and done him some good along with the Heavenly Host. It's a fine book, but the baroque, unrealistic dialogue needed desperately to be curbed a bit and the main character's ability to verbally spar everyone he encounters into submission smacks of Mary Sueism.
@gofatboi No, it is not wrong. It is a great story!
i read the book prior to the movie being made! good book the movie could have been better. Pat Conory had a hand in the script of ' the prince of tides' which did better on sreen!
@captmclain Yeah but the First Black to attend West Point was Henry Ossian Flippant and they were just as hard on him as they were on Pearce. I would love to see a movie about what it would be like to be a White Student at a Predomintally Black School and see how it would feel for them. The General also played Senator Patrick Geary in Godfather 2.
Would such a movie derive great pleasure for your sadistic mind?
check out mark breland fight marlon starling.great fight!
what's the movie about?
andrew480miller a partially fictional portrayal of The Citadel
Great movie. The book is better. In the book the son was killed in Vietnam.
Don't get me wrong, I live Dixie (The song and the land) but it doesn't make sense for it to be sung here. In the book, his son is killed by Vietcong, and here they sing "I want to go to Vietnam
I want to kill some Viet Cong."
It's very nostalgic and sad, just doesn't make sense.
The South shall rise again!!!
Look away
Marcus why
The south I'll rise agin.
Not with that kind of grammar.
Gog Mclaine Great comment!
lol... Yet still: that was not nice. lmbao
Michael Choate l
DasTubemeister From Wall Mart to union busting to fundamentalist Christians the South has risen again in every sense of the word. By the way, I'm a northern Yankee white male and I LOVE THIS SONG DIXIE!!! It should be the South's national anthem just like the Battle Hymn of the Republic (a song I ALSO LOVE) should be the North's national anthem.
A classic. It's a wonder, the cancel culture SJWs do not demand closing of the Citadel and boycot of this movie. Lol
Patience.
It's a miracle, really. The Citadel has changed a lot over the years, keeping in step with the US Military. I live in Charleston, and did not attend the Citadel, but and have known many, many cadets, including members of my close and extended family. The best thing I can say about it is this: they produce a good product, good earners, respectful gentlemen and ladies.
@chiphill4856 cheers brother. A good friend of mine attended there, years back.
They probably don't know it exists and that's a good thing 😅
@@psalmsurfer1 very true
It is a good movie but it is nothing compared to the book.
This film isn’t racist. Sure it may have language and mannerisms depicting racism, but it’s a film that explores abuse of authority and degradation
What time period was this taking place? Definitely not Civil because of Uniforms and parachuting was not invented yet.
+Austin Mitchell In the book it was 1967 then ending in 1968. The Man who played The Commanding Officer was also in Godfather Two as Patrick Geary The State Senator of Nevada.
+laminage It's also loosely based on Pat Conroy's time at The Citadel.
Yes, it's a shame about his dying. I'm sure that Pat helped a lot of people heal with "The Great Santini" not to mention "The Prince Of Tides". I read "The Lords Of Discipline" and how I hated what happened to Pig.
Are you the inventor of scrabble ?
You must be a geniius
Austin Mitchell Vietnam
@Yeppr Honorable and fine young cadets are relatively rare at this institution, unfortunately. After 168 years, it has yet to graduate a single cadet who went on to earn the Congressional Medal of Honor. For honorable and fine young cadets, see West Point and Annapolis.
Interesting, if true. Where can I find more info on this?
The only good scene in this insipid film.
Fuck you
@@thegame6141 Hey...in the novel they were chanting "I want to go to Vietnam! I want to kill some Vietcong!" How a film set in a military college in 1966 can completely ignore the Vietnam War is rather odd, isn't it?
cringe
The book was better but this scene made the whole movie!