Starfield: Rampant Negativity
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- Starfield was released on the 6th of September but for almost the entire lead-up to this game and aftermath of its release has been circled by negativity from either people believing the game is awful without any game time to people who are so closed off to hearing that Alanah Pearce might be enjoying the game as a writer for Santa Monica studio that they want her fired for even saying such a thing. This game has sadly been infected with the same treatment as other forms of entertainment. The plague of how polarised society has slowly infected every area and it's now officially kicked into the realms of games, from people having unrealistic expectations to others being outraged by pronouns at the start of the game. So let's sit down and talk about the Rampant Negativity that has surrounded Starfield for ages now and has made people believe in the console war even more than before.
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Time Stamps
00:00-00:52 - Intro
00:53-03:00 - My Thoughts on Starfield
03:01-11:42 - Extreme hate
11:43-15:04 - The Build-Up of Hate
15:05-18:07 - The Hate of Bethesda
18:08-19:20 - The Alanah Pearce Situation
19:20-22:42 - Final Thougths - Hry
How many people actually run into invisible walls? I haven't in over 60 hours of gameplay.
I have about the same time in the game and I wouldn't even know they existed if I hadn't heard about them on CZcams
You have to run a long time. Which there’s nothing out in the world for me to want to run the whole map. Running a Km alone takes forever
Does the invisible wall of boredom and repetition count?)
For some reason I don’t want to run 600 meters again to the next “inhabited cave” or “Stardog automated plant”
@@artemg9753 Then my advice is.... don't? If you seek out to do activities that bore you, surely you will find it no surprise you find the game boring. I have nearly 100 hours right now in Starfield and apart from resource gathering and outpost building I have basically not interacted with the procedurally generated landing areas at all. There's more than enough content in Starfield to keep you busy for hours on end, so to ignore that content, while complaining that a completely non-essential aspect of the game is boring seems silly.
@@tewks4458 You wrote so much as if it bothers you much more than me.)
Imagine if in Skyrim you couldn't walk between cities and could only fast travel, and anytime you wanted to explore the wilderness it'd just drop you into a little square area of it that was disconnected from the rest of the map.
The areas Starfield creates are bigger than the whole map of Skyrim. Let me show how wrong your comparison is: Imagine you couldn't walk seamlessly between your hometown, another continent and the moon.
@@OrkDiktator If I had a spaceship I could cover those distances seamlessly.
@@73rmin8r No you couldn't. Because you have no idea about space travel. Space flights don't work like in No Man's Sky, Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous. You can't just leave and reenter atmosphere in a meaningless plane-like flight. And you can't walk around a planet in several hours. Starfield is more realistic in it's technical limitation than the other space games. Starfield gives you the real scale of planets(at least much closer to reality than in those "space sims"). Starting and re-entering the atmosphere works completely different from fhights inside an atmosphere or in orbit. You seem to have no idea about how long distances are between planets and the dimensions you have to deal with out there. The "Space sims" only create mini-planets where you can orbit around in 2 minutes. iI's very likely that in the future if we improve and expand space travel, that starts from and landings on planets will be done by AI and the pilot only has to sit and watch like the player does in Starfield
@@OrkDiktator'Its lift vs drag and rotation' from one of my fav movies Me Myself and Irene (talking about a rotary wing, of course, not fixed or spacecraft)
Good points btw.
@Whoadayson Of course, lift and drag dont apply in a vacuum or low pressure atmosphere. Only copious amounts of fuel exploding in a downward-direction
We have to differentiate between reasonable criticism and unreasonable hate. A lot of what I’ve seen regarding Starfield has been reasonable criticism. Yeah there’s been hate too, but not an unusual amount of it. And it’s often mixed in with reasonable criticism.
I partially agree with you, at least given that you mention people outright hating Starfield prior to it's launch who hadn't even played the game, and this is different from healthy skepticism about any upcoming release. Having doubts about a game and deciding against purchasing it isn't the same thing as trying to give some thoughts on an experience you haven't had which you don't label as the speculation that it is. Also the console war stuff is hilariously stupid.
On the other hand I went into the game simply expecting another open world sandbox from Bethesda, and I assumed I'd like it as I've enjoyed everything else that I've played from that studio. Yet I ultimately found the game to be mostly tedious/boring, and a noticeable downgrade from previous BGS games in nearly every respect that I cared about. I even enjoyed Fallout 4 and thought the game had it's strengths, but Starfield plays like a version of that game with most of the fun removed imo. My point being that some of the negativity is from people who legitimately just don't enjoy the game.
I mean, the same thing happened with Baldur’s Gate 3, a near universally praised and genuinely good video game. There are tons of people who freely admit that they haven’t played it, yet are convinced “it’s not as good as everyone says.”
I’ve actually warmed up to Starfield quite a bit. It’s a very good game, but yeah it’s not pushing the envelope in any way and sticks to the same formula we’ve seen already many times over. I’d even say Starfield will probably be one of my favorite games of the year , I just don’t think it’s a masterpiece.
There's one aspect I really liked that didn't stick to the formula. Starfield isn't another save the world rpgs. You aren't a messiah. You're just a person exploring the multiverse and the philosophical ramifications that go along with that. That's captured my imagination in ways a game like Skyrim never could.
Starfield is the culmination of everything Bethesda has wanted to do. They've got procedural generation that Daggerfall had, they've got hand-curated content that Skyrim had. I would say the one thing that is groundbreaking is the sheer scope of the entire game. The sheer number of planets that you can land on, the sheer size of the planets themselves (seem to be true to scale, so No Man's Sky level of walking around is actually impossible), at the same time the amount of hand curated content is significantly more than anything they've ever done. And this is all in a single player game that is entirely downloaded (not downloading assets from servers). For that they should be commended.
@@hengineer if you ever see a guy who compares NMS with Starfield, stay 10 meters away lol
@@hengineerSheer scope doesn't matter if most of the content in that wide scope is trash. Like, whats so amazing about it? We know they're made through proc gen and they look the most proc gen'ed out of any modern game that uses proc gen. A lot of this could've been done in generations past, they just wouldn't look as nice.
And their comfort zone is making stories and dialogue that aren't engaging. A change in scenery is easy. People call it Fallout in space for a reason.
No, when you get a game for validation, it means: just don't play it. People just can't handle criticism.
I do worry the game feels much smaller than previous Bethesda open world games, as it seems to be broken up into a large amount of smaller maps all connected via loading screens.
Well said and pretty much I spot on. Bravo for saying so! It really is all about expectations and the click baity nature of content these days. I came from Star Citizen but I kept my expectations in check and Im glad I did as I can have fun in Starfield without hating it for failing to meet my phantom expectations thay they mostly never said!
The problem is that now you can't expect a game to at least not be worse in some aspects than the older ones.)
There are a lot of things that have gotten worse in Starfield.
and what?
What really turns me off with this game (coming from someone whos played nearly all BS games for the last 20years) is the idea of exploring.. what made me fall in love with Skyrim was the singluar fact that you chould go anywhere and stubble on a epic dungeon that had no quest to it, but had massive lore within it, and that these dungeons where of the hundrends and uniqe to the place it was in.
To my understanding this is simply not the case with Starfield, so its neither a better version of no man sky nor is it a true "skyrim in space"
Whict begs the question, what is it? in my eyes it rather comes of as a medicore game in space with old over used rpg elements, now you could make the argument that iam setting the bar to high, but as a fan that is really hard not to do, after all i have been waiting for the next elder scrolls for ten years now, and if the games that have been choicen to be made over the new elder scrolls just continue to be medicores, well that just makes the long waiting even more insufferable. And i belive that is the real reason for why so many are hating this game, the game might be okey and fun, but its not really about the game thats the issue
Childish i know, but thats the reality of the situation
any space game is going to be like that. You really can't just go anywhere in space, you HAVE to go to planets and systems. Other games give you an illusion and trickery to make you think you're "going anywhere" but in reality all you're doing is traveling to another system, traveling to another planet. Its all fake in EVERY space game.
One of many reasons why I’m taking a big break from gaming and why I don’t follow much gaming news at all anymore. Content creators wanna see everything fail as it gets views and they love to hate everything.
Best bethesda game ever made? You must be joking right
If we're excluding FONV, Morrowind, and Oblivion, then yes. That's not a very high bar, however.
It's objectively the best Bethesda game ever made in terms of functionality. I don't think it's the best game ever made in terms of an emotional impact on me or general players.
maybe not in your opinion. Other's may have differing opinion.
@@Shyamgfilms The floor is made of floor.
@@65firered doesn't change anything whatsoever 😅
Quite frankly regardless of the “polarization” I think it’s just people are tired of the Bethesda formula, speaking for myself at least. I’d like for them to get outside their comfort zone. At this point I see no reason to think that ES6 will be no different.
But the Bethesda formula isnt present in Starfield. Bethesda's main parameter in their formula was the engaging and at times even brilliant exploration of their worlds. Its completely non-existent in Starfield.
I disagree completely with both comments, Bethesda went completely out of their comfort zone with this game, both thematically and narratively. It is both a hugely open galaxy to explore but you still keep bumping into the consequences of your actions, most characters are a mile more interesting than anything BGS developed before and it is still faithful to what made Morrowind and Oblivion their most creative and fun games to explore imo, that magic of finding interesting new quests to explore around every corner of the main cities and towns, that "just one more cave and I'll turn this off" game loop is still present.
The art style and soundtrack of Starfield is definitely the most daring they've been since Morrowind, since every game afterwards was either very safe(Oblivion being inspired by LOTR and Skyrim by GoT) or directly inspired by the earlier Fallout 1 and 2.
I've been waiting for years for them to improve, and then they came out with F76, and I felt like that was such a massive step back, yet I still held out hope.
Now we get to SF, and it's apparently a masterpiece to some, "good enough" to others, but not a step back. I feel like those wanting better are the minority when it comes to wanting BGS to improve.
Seeing how fanboys are reacting to this and seeing how Todd flew out a flimsy excuse, just makes me think that there isn't any hope of ES6 being a massive improvement over SF.
@@dirge7459this game is over all superior to fallout 4, in most aspects.
I think this sentiment is insane. I feel like I'm going crazy. I can't imagine exploring Starfield and being all like, "Meh. Done that, been there." I promise myself one quest, and then 6 hours later, I have to force myself to sleep. This game is totally my jam. It's fascinating to see so many people who are all like 🥱🥱🥱
Very happy to see a video on starfield of this nature. If you went into this game knowing it was a Bethesda game and knowing what was said by Todd and other Devs going in, there's no reason to be against it at all. In my opinion the majority of people complaining about the game are buthurt PlayStation fans, I can't stand console wars but they've had pretty much every single great exclusive of the last decade on their console and seemingly can't take the fact that Xbox finally have a good exclusive.
Keep up the good work. All the best
people who have unrealistic expectations don't have them without reason.. a certain guy named Todd helped much to set those
Bruh I’m trying to tell you. It’s the same with cyberpunk. You can’t blame consumers.. People involved with making the game WERE THE ONES that hyped that game up like that. Which made consumers hyped for it. Talking about the initial release of Cyberpunk. Not the recent DLC of course.
I would feel bad for Bethesda, if it wasn't for FO76, all the dirty tactics they have for monetization, and the goofy choices they've made around monetizing modding ... the constant re-releases of Skyrim, etc.
I think none of what's happening around this game is warranted, and I think people need to touch some grass. This is a lot of nothing going on, but Bethesda deserves it based on their past lies, deceits and scandals. So regardless, I don't feel bad. They're a faceless corporation propped up on Todd Howards little Ted Bundy smirk.
All these comparisons to NMS, yet very few people noticed how Fallout is the direct association here? Like, even the setting of space is almost pointless, when you're just moving from one box to another, via a vehicle, than a moving home!
Agree. Although I would say it's a lot less in depth than fallout as far as loot and items go. Most of the items you find lying around are useless other than to sell them or consume them. With fallout you can scrap items and use those parts to make other things. I wish starfield has this at least!
@@ndwknss . . . we will mod it in x. x
Comparing SF to No Man's Sky is actually not fair imo. Like Exiled pointed out already, the latter one was a scam throughout its' first time period, even more unfinished than CP2077 or Battlefield 2042 when they came out. Yet people seem to love it nowadays since the devs finally delivered on what was promised. Starfield is lengths better compared to this. I personally had no real issues with bugs so far and I'm 160+ hours in.
@@DDxRaptor Sad state buddy. I enjoy this game to the stars and almost 40 hours in. I didn't expect the hate comments even under this video when Exiled is trying to address the exact problems. I think these people are going to compare games of different genres for their lifetime. I mean if they want a game that does everything then why do we need different games? they could just settle with one game for their life. Me coming from playing classics like Freelancer, Freespace 2, Mass Effect series, Starfield is an excellent game in terms of art, exploration, sound design, writing. Ofcourse there are quirks here and there but I'm ready to forgive certain things like I did with certain elements of Witcher 3, RDR 2, CP2077, etc.
@@Shyamgfilms Yeah I feel you. I guess twitter, home of 100 % true information, made a huge impact on how this form of hate against certain things spreads like wildfire nowadays. Sad to see that people just don't use their brains anymore and go on regular witch hunts instead. Almost feels like the dark ages again :D
No matter how much bs Bethesda went through for FO76, the amount of negativity that they receive now for a pretty good game is not justifiable imo. But people love to hate. I bet it'll be exactly these people who will look back on Starfield some years later and realize that it's actually not bad at all and feel a bit ashamed for jumping on that hate train.
edit: If people would want SF to be like NMS, they should just go and play that, or Star Citizen.
I'm enjoying the game on my laptop with an RTX 2070 Max-Q. Do I wish the game were better? Of course. Do I wish there were better performance on Intel and Nvidia? Yes, and they're adding official DLSS support.
In general, the game is exactly what I expected it to be. A Bethesda game in space. I didn't have any expectations going into the game beyond that.
I have a 2019 Razer Blade with that very same card. I agree I'm enjoying the hell out of it. I do think some QOL things could be better, but overall the game and gameplay itself is excellent. I'm having a weird display bug (I am using the DLSS mod that I'll turn off once official DLSS support comes through) that freezes the "draw" while quest markers still move weirdly. I move my view back away from whatever the problem thing is and everything comes back to normal. Updated nvidia drivers helped a bit, too.
I am over 200 hours and never once ran into a wall, including one time I spent 20 minutes running to a quest marker on a planet. Who wants to run for hours? On a planet if you want to see something far away resources and such you get in your ship and move closer to, just like irl you would not walk from city to city but take some form of transport.
The walls thing is not an issue with normal gameplay, you will only run into one if you deliberately seek to do so as the areas you land in are far bigger than most games entire map space.
I give it a 9 out of 10 as is a few issues I hope they fix in DLC and updates. Most of the issues are minor quality of life things.
This game is begging for a survival mode, All the food options, Sleeping and the different status effects on planets could play into survival. Ill be waiting for mod support on console, I played for 16 hours, I really wanted to get into it, Even accepting for what the game is but i just couldn't, Its tedious and exploration just felt boring and pointless, All the loading screens made it feel disjointed and it really broke the immersion for me.
Hopefully in a year's time when this game has received several updates and mod support i will give it another go.
survival mode was only added as a mod so I can see that being an actual mod later. Survival here is going to be insane considering all of the various ailments that can happen to you.
I only saw the official pre-release hype trailer and I feel pretty mislead about how space travel works.
Honestly, sometimes content creators, not yourself, have a tendency sometimes to jump on the drama train, either because it attracts views, and/or because they thrive on drama... It's like watching a soap opera sometimes... Personally I feel that watching objective reviews can be informative, as long as melodrama isn't a key element, but I still prefer to form my own opinion after actually trying the product myself... Not forming an opinion based on living vicariously through someone else's experience and/or opinions... I think the game is decent enough to keep playing, even with some of its flaws... No game is flawless, and no game couldn't be a little better through QOL improvements... Been that way from the gitgo of PC/Console gaming... I think sometimes folks get spoiled by a game/s, and expect all future games to be exactly like that game, when including similar aspects, which I feel is unrealistic... Games should always have unique qualities, better or worse, otherwise they'd all be the same... And that would be boring...
The game being similar to To No Man Sky is not boring
@@deivymaybe7554 for who?
Yes, but what is the point of a review if you have to review it yourself before reading any? It's becoming ridiculous
The good about being a "digital hermit", without having any social media accounts is how easy it is for me to completely sidestep marketing and hype. I've got the game out of morbid curiosity in mid december, after seeing some posts on Lemmy on the whole drama surrounding the Starfield community. Mind you, I never saw any of the trailers, nor the Direct, so my experience was mostly "coming in blind", save for the awareness that a lot of people were already complaining that the game was bad. All my thoughts are from over 100 hours of gameplay, one character being on NG+2 and a new one just to get the normal, non starborn main story right again.
I really think they messed up with space having nothing to do if nothing happens right after you jump in to whatever planet or moon you went to. If there's no immediate event, there's nothing there. But the main story is what *really* nearly made me quit the game. It wasn't exactly good at the start, but it goes downhill HARD after you first meet the Emissary. Space magic made me groan loudly and caught me by surprise (I only learned that the Direct glimpsed 1 or 2 seconds of space magic at the end of their show a few days ago) - grav dash is a joke. By the time I reached Unity, its answer to "who created all this?" made me curse out loud.
Then there's the many systems that are like isolated minigames. Base building exists for you to farm exp, because there's no way to make it a "money farm". Vendors' money is super low, especially considering the hauls you can make at level 40+. Scanning "exists" and feels like a bad copy-paste from No Man's Sky, which isn't even good: point, click, scanned.. A lot of good stuff is locked behind skill progression, especially ship parts. Can't fly B or C class ships without that perk! Good luck figuring out whether that ship is A, B or C class, by the way. Also, being able to use a jetpack is locked behind a skill, which makes it mandatory. Skill progression only counts if you have it unlocked and doesn't overflow to the next rank, so any kills with laser weapons before getting the skill don't count, any picked locks beyond the 5 to reach rank 2 are wasted, etc.
I did enjoy the looter-shooter loop, I did enjoy abusing the typical bethesda AI jank, killing crimson fleet with impunity because I "joined" them. I did the "infinite adaptive frames" thing to powerlevel and saw firsthand how easily the containers get bugged, sometimes holding twice their max capacity, how sometimes sleeping for 300 hours got zero resources to arrive from another base despite everything being properly connected...
The only thing in common with NMS this game has is that it's sci-fi. I have never understood the comparison, we all knew it wasn't going to be anything like NMS. I love elder scrolls and fallout games, and of course NMS, but I've spent 30 hours trying really hard to like Starfield and I simple just do not enjoy the game, sadly.
I ll explain you my view where the negativity comes from (im one of those who advocates for the opinion the game is not good). I have a wallpaper on my desktop of Starfield since the last year, where they almost launched it. So you can imagine I was waiting for it. Todd said it would be Skyrim in space, he said a lot of stuff.. The problem is the game can have not bad dynamics (definitely not outstanding), visuals. But in the end one like me who plays for the story and how it is told I say I have a poorly written and narrated game, worlds and lore that are not connected, 10 types of enemies, same caves and outposts all over 1000 planets. A game that needs to force you to do repetitive stuff just to make itself longer. Yes might be harsh but studios should learn the final opinion formula is hype*final product quality.
You can't say you "play for the story" and say you were exited for a Bethesda release in the same paragraph my friend. That's a contradiction.
Also Todd said Skyrim in space. That's it. Go back and watch the interviews, the q&a's and podcasts were he has been incredibly open about the games release and what to expect. They confirmed how the planets would work, how landing would work, how ship combat would work and how planet exploration would work over a year ago. You're issue should be with the creators you follow or your own expectations walking in. Them saying Skyrim in space a couple of times is the worst thing they did which I agree shouldn't have been said but simply put they gave a lot of info about this game prior to release and if you didn't watch and listen to it then that's on you not them.
I've enjoyed my time with the game. It's very much a BGS game in gameplay loop and systems, with the exception of exploration. "Skyrim in space" could be construed as the lie as the exploration doesn't really play like Skyrim at all. I think it's pretty standard for people to feel like they've been lied too when they misunderstand what a game is because normies just get the head lines, they aren't watching dev interviews or following RPG youtubers, etc.
The comparison between Unreal and CE2 is fundamentally terrible, Unreal has advanced more going from UE3 to 4 or 4 to 5, than CE has done in a literal decade.
That's not acceptable, it's fine to point out the Engine's age as it clearly isn't aging gracefully technology wise.
Are you a software engineer?
czcams.com/video/8cZWCaH0Zrs/video.html
Starfield and Creation Engine 2: A Modder's Perspective
@@phath0m135 I could be Bill Gates for all you know, that's irrelevant relevant to whether or not the CE has aged gracefully.
If you were served shit on a plate and complained do you think it's sound logic to ask if you're a chef?
Its a completely different technology and engine. BGS's Creation Engine was built from the ground up to be completely moddable no other engine is anywhere near as moddable as CE.
@@silverback1074 There is a world of difference between a "chef" and an "engineer". Games are pieces of software that are complex and there is a lot going on under the hood that you the player are not necessarily aware of. You should watch the video I referenced because there are many things to consider when it comes to the engine. By the way, Starfield is by no means a pile of shit on a plate, what a ridiculous comment.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for making this video man. Exactly my thoughts.
I kinda agree with the polarization of the issue about the game, but i also disagree, i see for instance, folks fighting over consoles, and i believe this is where most of the toxic comentary comes from towards Starfield on the other hand i as someone who came from the space sim genre couldn't enjoy this Bethesda game, yes, i know what some folks would say, that this game isn't a space sim, and yes it isn't but it has space sim elements enough to be compared with games from this genre, and as much as folks get angry about comparisons between Starfield and No Man's Sky, the comparisons couldn't be avoided precisly for this reason.
On the other hand i quite enjoy some RPGs INCLUDING some of Bethesda rpgs, i did played all Fallout games (and i really mean all of them including the Interplay ones) AND i played the Oblivion and Skyrim (and now Starfield), BUT this aren't the ONLY rpgs i played over the years, i also played The WItcher series, i played all Mass Effect games, and i played Cyberpunk 2077, and yes i played a LOT of space games, Star Citizen, Elite Dangerous, Empyrion, X4, SpaceBourne 1 and 2, No Man's Sky...
And frankly Bethesda failed to me in many aspects with Starfield.
The game is outdated, and it is outdated because the ENGINE is outdated.
Today i saw a vid comparing Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty DLC (wich i didn't played yet) with Starfield, and well, let's just say that Starfield didn't came out looking good of this comparison...
Someone on the comment section said properly, the sections where Starfield was showcased look like adds getting in the way of the content we want to watch (wich was the Cyberpunk DLC content).
My point is that it doesn't matter how good of a writing and rpg and designs or gameplay you have, if your tools to make a game are obsolete!
One of the most common complaints i heard is that Starfield looks like a game from 2015, and they aren't wrong! Did you even know that the only loading screen you have in Cyberpunk 2077 is the initial one? The one you uses to load the game? Yeah Night City is a completely seamless city.
And in NMS, you do have a loading screen disguised as cutscene, BUT it just happens only when you travel to another system, not between planets and space.
And in Elite Dangerous the game is a 1:1 representation of our own galaxy, all seamless, you can travel everywhere and no loading screens.
Theres no excuses from Bethesda, only recognition that their engine is outdated and obsolete, it can't handle modern games on it.
Even CDPR will be switching for Unreal engine, and Bioware is already making Mass Effect 4 on UE5, maybe is time for Bethesda to change their Engine or at least upgrade it.
Damn near every video I've watched weren't just hating to hate. They gave criticism of the game but that doesn't mean they were lying or jumping on the bandwagon. Couldn't you say the same about every person who got an early copy gushing over the game? The real problem is, people that like the game don't like to admit there are problems with the game. Too many people follow the overriding consensus and will defend that position to no end, no matter how much proof is shown to the contrary. And when people come out against that opinion, one they agree with, they can't take it so it must just be hate for the sake of hating something. I'm enjoying the game but it has a ton of problems. It's as mid as it gets. Bgs hasn't innovated or addressed basic stuff in their game in over 2 decades. To just accept that bc you're having fun is stupid. Also heels rant had very little to do with pronouns being in the game. It was more about hollywood and now devs putting current day crap in movies and games to push their agenda. And to get their dei and esg scores up.
You do the same as anyone who thought the game was bad which is to frame people who like it as naive and people who don't as clear thinkers. If you didn't listen to the video to gain an actual objective opinion on a game release that's on you. If you think the game is mid based on your own experience in the game that's fine.
@@Exiled7 I never said they were naive or wrong. I asked if you could say the same about them since you're saying most the negative talk around it is people just piling on. Theres objective problems with this game. No matter how much you like or hate this game, it's undeniable. You can't tell me that the piss poor map for cities is fine or that all the loading screens are fine or that there isn't a problem with the menus or that landing at a random place on a map and that map being barren and the only thing you can do is sprint to a marker to see an outposts you've seen 10 times already is fine, that the brain dead AI is fine, or all the weird bugs are fine. It may not bother you as much, but to act like the game wouldn't be better with those things fixed is lying to yourself. Like I said though, I'm having fun with the game and I'm enjoying my time with it. That doesn't change the fact there are problems with it that if changed would have made the game way better.
I am one of those who were weary about Starfield before the launch. But not because I hate Bethesda or anything, but because I was worried it would be just "fallout but in space". The gaming industry isn't in the best place rn, and sadly it kind of forces you into going into things already expecting the worst.
Fortunately, everything turned out to be fine, Starfield isn't a carbon copy of fallout and everyone seems to be enjoying it as far as I've heard. It even looks to be Bethesda's most stable homestly. I hope I can give it a try soon, It seems like good fun.
so if i dont like the game, im just parroting whatever my fave content creator is spewing? not because ive played it myself and got disappointed? and no i didnt expect it to be like NMS, that’s just stupid. i just wanted a better bethesda game, not a bethesda game that took two steps forward and two steps back.
is it unreasonable to expect one of my favorite game studio to create a new game that gives me a better experience than my favorite game they made just over a decade ago? so elder scrolls 6 im just supposed to be okay with it being potentially worse or just as good as skyrim?
The point I made in the video is that if you don't like a game and haven't played it and have gained this opinion only off creators you've watch and not anything you actually tested and going out there and telling others how bad it is then you are simply parroting your favourite creator because that is what you are doing. You (person I've described just now) don't have the first hand experience but speak with the authority of one who does to attempt to deter someone from playing a game they migth like.
@@Exiled7 i literally commented that i played it and was disappointed lmao. so even playing would mean that im still parroting my favorite creator which i dont even know who you’re referring to in this video. You wanna defend bethesda so bad that you resort to making lies.
You seem to think that anyone who doesnt like the game wants it to be like NMS. So I ask, is it wrong to ask for a better BETHESDA game? You rated it a 7/10, why dont you want Starfield to be a 10?
Honestly, I see the same coming from both sides, and then there's people like me in the middle, people who just wanted the game to be better, to do better, and either side (fanboys and "haters") just tears the middle apart.
it's so weird how we are living in a timeline where fanboys are like "it's good enough, stop wanting more/better", and of course, the blind hatred (which I know fanboys of this game will likely express for some other game in the future, that cycle is never ending and hypocritical).
What is it you want more of? Why don't you go and start a development studio and make your dream game? I am sure people would love to play it. Maybe you should try working on your own attitude then maybe you wont feel like your being held hostage by others. It must get exhausting feeling as if you are utterly powerless and are subject to the whims of the masses, I know it does for me. Your attitude is yours, and only you can change it. Then maybe you might find something to be thankful for and it will all feel a lot better. There was a great preacher who preaches that "all is vanity", and "even the best man at his best state is vanity". There is one fate for man and beast, and that is the grave. [15] Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.
@@echeneis2256 Because I don't have the money, or the team to begin with?.
Also my attitude is fine. I'm just tired of one side thinking it's always right because it likes something, then shitting on the other, both sides refuse to see middle ground (much like the far right and far left tend to do, and I also sit right in the middle between those two spectrums).
I'm not sure why I have to find something to be thankful for, in terms of gaming, that is more entertainment value than "bless this bountiful game" (that's more reserved for things like food/water when you are starving/thirsty).
Are you a devout or something?. Only devouts read scriptures out on forums/CZcams, from what I've seen over the years.
@@dirge7459 I'm just saying that the discourse in today's conversations are rooted in unforgiveness and enmity based in pride etc...we can find contentment in forgiveness and being greatful for the kindness of God rather than wanting what we dont have. You said I wish there was more. That sentiment of indifference. That's what I was responding to you. Starfield is a great game with a lot of quests and are really good. All things come from God, whether food, or joy it's all from God. If people were grateful to God they would have contentment and learn to be content and not have emnity and back biting and idolization
@echeneis2256 funny enough I actually took that route myself. There were some things I wished skyrim and some other games I like did but instead of complaining I downloaded the godot game engine and started a class on game design in my local college. If the industry can't make my dream game then I will. I understand it probably won't be perfect given my potato computer and cheep game engine but I'm not gunna let that stop me. Thanks for the reminder
@@cinderguard3156 That's cool! When I was a kid I remember getting the aurora tool set for never winter nights and my mom bought me a C++ programming book. I even made a pong game, although the book kind of guided you through it. I also at that time used 3d game studio and had a blast making 3d levels with lighting and music. I've thought about using unreal engine 5, but today I just enjoy playing them. Though I find level design fascinating, sort of like temple building in the ancient near east and "sacred space". Actually, I really believe the Holy Scriptures, aka the Bible is a true "open world". After all "in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God, all things were made by the Word. Just like video games which are worlds created by lines of code. Anyways have a good day and hope you have fun with game design.
I've been on the receiving end of some of that toxic comment section drama. All I said was that everyone on both sides of the pronouns debacle was acting insane. I then got treated like a far left ideolog who was trying to force politics onto people in video games simply because I shared an opinion that even slightly differed from theirs. I'm a right leaning centrist, but I guess everyone looks far opposite them when they themselves are on the extremes. So much of the discord around this game has been illogical people screaming their opinions in an attempt to drown out anyone disagreeing with them.
Haha. Who gives a sh*t about pronouns? Let's be honest, they probably couldn't release the game without the option.
@RandomWandrer it really is such a non-issue. I didn't even know there were three options until I saw the first video about the topic. I noticed there was an option to change it, saw it was defaulted to my characters body type, and then promptly ignored it. That is how little it affects your gameplay if you don't want to deal with it. People are saying it is shoved in your face, but it really isn't. It is just another setting among dozens that I didn't bother messing with when I made my character.
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Mixed feelings overall but not interested in it in the current state. Got on game pass and not renewing. My last attempt to get enjoyment was to try being a space pirate, kill and loot everyone I come across. Unfortunately, I ran into a game ending bug where I couldn't board the UC Vigilance which is needed to finish the pirate quest line. This came at the end of a long space battle that I wasn't interested in redoing, so I uninstalled it.
I expected a fallout 4 ish game set in space and that was what I got
The problem is we shouldn't be getting "decent" we should be getting "great" at the very least. Is expecting "great" unreasonable? Keep in mind it's a dev studio who releases a big game once a decade.
It is unreasonable when thats just not how a product launch works. Also technically this is 1 of three games they've released in the last decade with fallout 4, 76 and starfield.
@Exiled7 is that a joke? So people shouldn't expect a great game bc most the time games launch in a poor state? We shouldn't expect better? We shouldn't demand better? There's no way you just said that. "Thats not how product launches work. Just shut up and consume product."
I've got no problems with people enjoying Starfield. I've got a problem with people not understanding that this game is bad on a technical level. It's missing so much that was advertised, it's story is badly written and much more. People seem to not understand that there are objective things in this world and not just their subjectivity. Sure there are people who shit on this game for design decisions that are not a big deal in your/my opinion. But that doesn't mean I or you hold the absolute truth. A lot of things in this game just don't work or are there as patchwork.
Think its sad you can't fly from planet to planet in the same system in "real time "
Because ALL games fake it. They just make up some "technology" to make it seem like you're getting their faster. Why? Its Sci Fi. Instead of that "waiting" for your engines to propel you there, they just use a loading screen between planets. Because in reality there is no real technology that would really allow you to do that. How long did it take for Voyager to exit our solar system, let alone travel between planets? Years?
Defeats the SPACE part of the game.
The thing that I think is extremely funny and somewhat concerning even, it’s just a damn video game. A lot of these people treat it like they are politics or something when none of this actually affects their life in any way. Now if they got nothing going on outside of video games, well.. that’s their own damn fault. They’re missing out on a lot of other things that might actually make them happy. So I’ll say this to those who are waking up every day wondering how they can trash other gamers and companies. If gaming is making you SO miserable, then maybe give it up for awhile. If you’re feeling THAT polarized about a piece of programming, it’s probably time to go find something else that actually gives you joy. Then maybe you’ll come back to gaming eventually and see things in a completely different light.
So in short.. if you love something but wants it to be better because you know it should had been, and you voice your disappointment, you are then without doubt a no lifer who just want to see the world burn? x) makes sense
@@m.x.sivertsennope, plenty of people who take it to the extreme, we all see it. If you wanted the game to be better, by incorporating systems from other games 5+ years ago, of course that’s fine
Given the fact that because of modern politics the transgender woke ideaologies have infested the meta verse therfore and hence it has an aspect of politics remove that than yes its just a videogames given that moast videogame have storielines that might even top the marvel movie productions...kinda sad but far fetched at the same time
They need to change their engine or something. Shit is annoying how they keep getting away with letting modders essentially “fix” their games. RDR2 is a great game without mods. I don’t even feel the need to modify it. This game?! My God it’s lacking so much, and “exploring” will have you finding the exact same abandoned outpost/spacestation/etc. . . The same cave, and more. It’s just not a great game. It’s average at best.
Graphics, the games content, story, physics, quick glitch patching and a lot more is very important to me. I hate a game that costs so much for something that really isn't that good. It's funny how some cheap indie games like State of Decay 2 has far superrior graphics than gta 5 which is supposed to be one of the main big games and I enjoy state of decay more than gta 5.
I haven't played Starfield but it doesn't look like it's worth my time or money.
I'm not surprised at all that hate culture carried over to gaming since some time now, and that this wave of misinformation and non-intelligene hit Starfield as well. I wasn't really that hyped for Starfield in the first place and drew my own conclusions while watching trailers and gameplay reveals, e.g. in the big Xbox/MS update stream a while ago, meaning I had pretty low expectations of this. But then I played it and now, after 163 hours ingame, I can say that I'm not only enjoying it, but actually loving Starfield. The slower pace of its' introduction makes perfect sense because the more you play it, the more the game opens up to you, although I can understand why people are a bit upset when they compare it older Fallout and TES titles.
Since I've also played Star Citizen for a while now, I appreciate both sides of the coin when it comes to exploration, small loading screens and what not. SC doesn't have the latter one, but that comes with a whole arrange of new problems that the devs are still struggling with to improve. And it's also a multiplayer game with up to 200 players per server. You can take a wild guess, but the technology to make all of this work didn't really exist until now anyway, so CIG is pioneering this, resulting in a lot of bugs and sometimes massive performance drops, especially in their freefly event weeks that happen at least twice every year. SC is also very specific and sim/tech-oriented which makes it less approachable for mainstream players. This is where I see the upsides of Starfield. It's way more approachable for everyone while still having more soul imo than Skyrim or the modern Fallout games. And it plays a lot better, too, from weapon handling to character movement. Plus it launched with a looot less bugs and glitches compared to everything else that BGS has ever produced so far which is a huge plus in my books.
And yet, you still have people and especially content creators that only put in a very small amount of hours while hating on very specific but unimportant things or outright everything that this game is. If they'd criticise Starfield more constructively, I think it could shift the general opinion of this game into a more fair direction. But since it's popular nowadays to leave your brain at home when searching for opinions, I'm not surprised by this. Hence why I personally just don't these people seriously.
8:11 Yeah, the invisible wolves are the worst !
The game really isn't good, and should just accept people don't like it. For me, it's a one and done game, I will play to finish the story, but nothing outside of it feels worth it. Bland exploration, bland space combat, quests that arn't rewarding. What is there to keep you playing outside of the main quest? Go to a similar outpost as the last 30 times kill 30 guys to sell their guns, that nets you 10-20*'x more then the reward for the quest. For a bethesda game it's pretty bad, not really any replayability.
Guy goes on to give Skyrim a 10 then says starfield is the best Bethesda game... typical UK intellect
He does say he rates them by how they make him feel. By that metric you could easily say one game is a better game while another gets rated higher because of the feeling.
I just hope they add a vehicle and then Im happy
Yeah. The areas generated are certainly large enough for one. Simple hover bike would do.
The graphics are good except for the general NPCs who are god awful ugly similar to or worse than Skyrim's NPCs. Plus, if you are playing on PC through steam you can get rid of color filters that uglify the game.
I played 2 hours of baulders gate 3
And was immediately bored
I’ve played five days straight of starfield and I’m never bored
Just some games don’t resonate with people.
I don’t like the combat in baulders gate I find it over complicated and fiddly
Some games just don’t work for some people, no shame in it. BG3 is a game you have to really do your homework on and is very punishing when you make mistakes, so it’s not for everyone. Not a fan of CRPG’s at all myself
Honestly I never liked Witcher 3. I tried it and I recognize it for being an excellent game, but it just doesn't resonate with me and I just couldn't bring myself to keep playing it.
Yeah, BG3 is a great game. Perhaps my personal GOTY but those who says that is bug free and a technical masterpiece through and through didn't even finish the game.
I love starfield and agree with almost everything said, but the part about no man's sky is bs. No man's sky is a truly incredible game packed with content, not "a game which has nothing going on aside from ressource gathering". It's barely a thing in NMS, and it's like saying starfield is just a ressource farming game simply because extracting ressouces is a possibility in the game.
I find the game boring as hell personally, if you enjoy it that’s cool but I find it boring and I’ve always found it hard to not think about the scam product that was the game when it came out.
I love this video btw, there is so much screaming and repetition of talking points. You kind of missed out that Microsoft bought Bethesda, so add the Pony nation to the overall groundswell of anti starfield, there has been a concerted hate campaign for a game that is for some GOTG, and for others just a good BGS game.
i'd give it a 9 i'm glued to it just now. one thing i haven't seen yet is a humanoid alien? i doubt there are any at this point which i'm kinda dissapointed with that.
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I'd wager that the early access 5 day period hurt the whole discussion around starfield the most and contributed to the polarization. If everone got to play and judge the game at the same time there would be much less arguing. But what happened was that bethesda super fans were gleeful and praising the game to high heavens during this 5 day period flaunting the 87 metacritic rating from the selected media outlets, while the other side who was still waiting and wasnt so far impressed/excited by what they have seen from this game and definitely wouldnt spend 100$ for early access were just taking it in. And with each day of early access i saw more and more polarization where one side was posting on and on on their subreddit about how this is the best game ever (mind you they spent 100$ for it so there is def some bias to justify your purchase), while the opposuite side was confused about what fans see in this game, checking out bug compilations, watching streamers and complaining about how boring the game , story, setting feels. So when day 6 rolled around the people were already set in their camps - and a big portion of people already hated the game by that point and wouldnt play it (even though i believe they would have if it was released at the same day for everyone).
tbf most people probably spend the £30 for early access from game pass. Also I disagree with the premise as a game like Hogwarts legacy had early access through a higher preorder and did amazing and over all discourse was positive outside of the lead up to launch attempts of cancelation. I just think it's how people have become so wound up and stuck in their ways for different companies.
I think someone pointed out that it would've been much better for the game if review tabs for this game wouldn't have opened up from the beginning of the early access, but should instead open up when Starfield was officially released 5 days later, although hate culture could've just spead out on it anyway.
I literally just do whatever I want and value nobody’s opinion on anything.
It’s clear the general population can’t be trusted to not be cringe.
Making me create my own culture and shit. Ridiculous.
Anyway I’ve been having a good time playing Starfield. The ship combat makes me want to backflip into a wood chipper, but I’m actually getting it down now because I refuse to drop from very hard.
I’d rather put my entire head through sheet metal then admit defeat, but they seriously need to patch that difficulty spike. Anything outside of ship combat is so easy comparatively. And it’s not like you can recruit a fleet, you actually have to solo 1-7 dudes who melt you, are faster, turn better. Like I’m a masochist, but this is just horrible.
I actually hopped on WarThunder to RELAX. Starfield ship combat is actual Ebola.
I think the lack of sideways maneuverability is what makes ship combat for me annoying. I DO enjoy it overall, and once I figured out the ship parts aspect, and upgraded my ship it got less frustrating at least lol.
@@hengineer well we can use thrusters and stuff, but they’re just so powerful. I actually created a ship that’s void in the center to negate their shots.
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The average age of an internet user is low. A bunch of kids who listened to their influencer and repeating the same shit. Arguing against it is just silly and pointless
i played skyrim 2 days ago and the npcs looked better than starfield to me, no weird eyes looking at me lol.
as for the no man sky comparison ppl are doing yeah no man sky does a better job it seems with the space traveling and i don't think the expectation of starfield doing the same was unrealistic, i think todd said we could land on a moon at some point, to land we first need to fly don't we? did bethesda lie? i don't think so but it failed to meet some expectations.
This game just looks horrible to begin with. Along with the bad reviews I don’t get that excitement from it. I love the concept but realistically it looks more like a disappointment than a success. The most valuable resource in your life is your time, why waste hours playing a game your not head over heels for. This game reminds me of far cry primal, fun for the first hour then boring after that.
If there's one thing i absolutely love about this game, it's the way the perk system works. Id hope it carries over to their future RPGs to some capacity.
They need a new engine
The game is boring. It may not be a terrible game… but we can’t deny that the majority of play time is boring. Too much loading, traveling, walking, running and unimportant talking. It’s a fast travel, walking and talking simulator. And the side combat is repetitive, same locations. The main quests are infested with poor writing and boring dialogue. This would have been a great game 10 years ago.
I DONT UNDERSTAND. The guy was hypocritical. Im confused. So you give Skyrim a 10/10 but then 30 seconds later in the video you say Starfield is the "best game Bethesda has ever made". Yet you said you give Starfield a 7/10.. That logic doesnt make sense. Starfield is more like a 5.5/10 or 6/10 MAYBE. It isnt special.
You didn’t listen to my reasoning. I’m based it off how the games make me feel. Maybe take a moment to listen
Dude is a dickrider. Thats all.
I think it's fair and balanced a bit of unfair criticism after all the years of bethesda fans letting tom go to an E3 stage making jokes about bugs and mods fixing their games and they all applaud. until the release of fallout 76 and then they all start to cry and suddenly they no longer think bugs are funny.
dude ppl has given lots of slake over the years to bethesda
I dont think it matters if Bethesda said "Starfield is going to be like NMS" (thats incredibly reductive anyway) because the problem is it offers similar mechanics, but done much much worse. Also Todd Howard actually did lie to us about the space exploration. In the hour long deep dive Bethesda released a couple months back you can see multiple lies in the video. One example is when the player character is on a moon and Todd says "the planet you see in the distance isnt a "back drop" and you can actually fly to it." Of course that was a lie, the planet most definitely is a back drop and you dont fly to and land on planets like that. There is a fast travel system instead of manual flying and landing on planets. So Todd and co actually did try and convince us that the planet to planet space travel was like NMS, blatantly lying. So I dont think its fair to say its just peoples unfounded expectations, especially if you watch that deep dive trailer they put out. Todd seems to have a history with this kind of lying.
Simply jumping in your ship and taking off to fly to another planet and landing is limited and jarring when comparing it to something like NMS. This wouldn't be such a huge problem if there was a lot of innovation and surprises/quality in the RPG aspect of the game, but there isnt. I feel like the RPG aspects have been done better even in Bethesdas own games, not even mentioning its competitors. But if you like Bethesda's previous 2 or 3 games then you will probably enjoy this, it offers a very similar experience but with intergalactic space travel.
One more thing. NMS however broken it was at launch and however amazing it is now, was made by less than 10 people in a flooded office.
Hm I can agree with you on that take. However, it's fair to say that if you take the words of a person for granted without questioning them, it's at least partly your own fault if you believed these words a 100 %. Even more if it concerns people from marketing or heads of companies, like Todd Howard. He's there to sell a game to us, so being elusive about certain aspects of that game is just expected honestly.
I didn't have high expectations, and yet I still don't like it. The overly politically correct design is not the sole reason for me not to play it, but the politically correct design is one of at least 30 other reasons not to play it. The menu is bad, the game mechanics are terrible in many places, and so on and so forth.
My man...I really like the game, I'm like 60 hours in and I'm having a blast. But "This game's graphics are great"? We have eyes. I get you're trying to make an overall point and you're building up an argument, but pick your battles. Sure, saying it looks like Fallout 4 is an exaggeration, but it doesn't look good by any stretch of the imagination.
how does it not look good? are we playing the same game?
@@STiLLTRiLL98 I honestly wonder that as well. I dunno what to tell you man, to me it looks ugly and outdated with the usual terminal cases of Bethesda face. If you like it visually, more power to you, but I do not understand at all. Still a fun game though.
Looks far better than fallout 4* and 76. Like insanely better. I feel as if people aren't actually playing the game, because when I go to neon and go into one of the corporate buildings that have multiple levels of detailed rooms and halls, etc. Shit you wouldn't even go to or see really, seems really nice and detailed to me
@@Zanadarn what do you think of the ship's interiors and exteriors, the LOD and complexity and texture detail on suits, apparel, guns and other items? what do you think of incredibly detailed pickable objects, what do you think of the vast generated terrain with incredible view distance? Okay Let me throw in my observations, the game looks absolutely incredible most of the time but looks like ass especially when there are no falling light sources on the characters. Trees doesn't have self shadows or good AO solutions. But other aspects are incredible. If not me and Digital Foundry should be wrong if the game looks average at best according to you. An opinion is just a lame opinion if it isn't backed by evidence and objectivity.
I believe the game can be fixed with updates and patches if developers are willing to do so.
Good video. I'm personally having a blast playing Starfield and if some people aren't, I believe that's completely fine. It seems to me that a lot of gamers are having a great time playing that game and it's a success for Xbox and Bethesda. Now, is the game perfect? Far from that, but as you said, what matters is how you feel while playing the game and if I and other players are having a blast while playing it, then that's the only thing that truly matters.
I think it's good that you made that video because there is indeed too much negativity surrounding that game. If some gamers don't like it that's fine, but some CZcamsrs seem to be having a great time constantly bashing the game and that I find stupid.
You don't like the game? Fine, say it, move on and go play something else.
I would still argue that Morrowind is by far Bethesda's greatest game ever. Its combat is awful and based on D&D dice rolls, and everybody looks like a papercraft impression of what real people look like, but otherwise it holds up better than anything else they've made. Better story, better exploration, better mechanics, took more risks. Starfield is not their best effort IMO, but I would also give it a 7/10, maybe 7.5/10 on a good day. There are many aspects of it I enjoy, and many I do not enjoy. But I do also think we all need to calm down and stop reee'ing all over the internet about it. We're adults, let's start acting like it.
Neat video. At the end of the day, Starfield has sold well, it has generally reviewed extremely well, and it’s got a great future ahead of it in dlcs and mods. That’s what’s only really gonna matter in 5 years or whatever when every looks back on it, and this spur of senseless hate looks like a little forgotten blip.
No proof, 10 mil played not sold games pass hides number's.
@@stardustdragonx3612 you absolute buffoon. Yes, numbers are slightly blown out due to gamepass, but the games still been doing great on steam (u can check the player numbers), has literally increased the sales of Xbox’s by 80 percent, and clearly made a bunch of ppl buy gamepass. Come on, take your tin foil had off lol.
Good video i agree with what you are saying
i 100% agree with you, personally im loving the game. dont get me wrong yes there is some issues (for example i currently have 2 little friends following me when i fly about in space the 2 friends being 2 little space rocks following me when i left a planet) and its not perfect but there has been much much much worse releases then starfield. most of the reviews from starfield that have been bad they have only had 10h+ game time, where as for a game like this its needed much much more game time to make any judgement
As someone that was so excited to play this ‘game of the generation’ I, like many, were bitterly disappointed with what we got.
It’s a fascinating subject. It’s like it’s Donald trump. Haters can’t believe the people who like him can even like him and the ones that like him are like “what’s wrong with liking him? I enjoy The Donald Trump Experience”.
I do not like The Bethesda Experience. I don’t like being told I can explore the universe ‘unparalleled’ only to find I spend most time in ugly menus or talking to stiff NPCs. Being told by others that this is all ‘immersive’ is baffling to me.
So it’s the blue and black dress Vs gold and white dress. A difference of opinion. People see things differently.
Todd Howard enthusiasts like this formula.
The rest just see a hack playing it safe and not evolving that formula.
Some people enjoy sandbox games, like Factorio or Satisfactory, or city building games. Bethesda games are sort of like immersive sims. It's like GTA 3, imagine if people hated on GTA3 because the driving is unrealistic, the physics are unrealistic, the npcs are dumb, etc...you would be like, yeah but that's not the point. Some people like certain genres of games. The thing is, with Skyrim Bethesda gained massive market attention and brought in a lot of people into the crowd that are just there for the memes and the party, but were never really interested in the games in a meaningful way. Like a lot of people just jump on a bandwagon. But the truth is, Bethesda games have always been 'b' tier games with jank. It's kind of the charm of their games. Skyrim just brought in lots of people into that 'nerd' space that aren't actually nerds (if you accept this bad metaphor). Many normies were expecting Starfield to be the GTA of RPG's and instead Starfield is surprisingly true to Bethesda's core identity, and people who were only around for the good times saw that and weren't having it. I mean think about it, Cities Skylines is a massively popular city builder, but at the end of the day it's still a city builder and that kind of game will NEVER be sexy. And what the people want is sexy, not "city builder". Starfield is just not sexy and so therefore it's trash in many people's eyes.
Bethesda Games are sandboxes like what the past person said. I don't even really consider it a "sim" per se. Its just a sandbox that was made to follow certain rules, and its fun to test those rules.
Lets goo,another game story!
I’m enjoying. Sure it could be better and I think with time it will get better but i find it relaxing.
The game is not fun to me,I’ve played rdr2 Witcher cyberpunk(2023 version) and Jedi survivor,,much more compelling games.I think I’m over the fetch quest open world and unenthusiastic npcs
Completely understandable, I'm enjoying starfield but I would be lying if I said it's my favourite game from this year. So far I 100% would say I've enjoyed Jedi Survivor way more than anything else i've played.
Did you really say “the best game Bethesda has made”? Really dude? Fallout 4? Skyrim? Hell, fallout 3? That’s completely ridiculous.
I don't think you listened to me. I said it's definitely the best game Bethesda has ever made but not the best experience. You can tell this game is way more polished and put together mechanically than anything that's come before it and say that you still prefer something like Skyrim, like I did in the video.
1rstly this game has alot of disappointments and misleading promises exploration being my main concern seeing as almaoast other games have a more freeing space to explore
2ndly there is a diferance between enjoying the game and defending it to the piont that it sounds like to those ideviduals at least it's the game of the century
3rdly the npc's are extremely reminiscent to the npcs from both skyrim and fallout
As a gay man the pronounces option in caracter crearion passes me off leave politics out of videogames so thers another reason I won't buy the game let alone play it but yea
I didn't give in to the hype. In fact, I avoided it entirely.
Learned my lesson from how badly CP2077 and Stray sucked versus all of my expectations, and decided to take the attitude of, "A Bethesda space game...? I like Bethesda. I like space. I'll give it a go," rather than--as you say--giving in to the hype.
And maybe that's why I'm loving the crap out of this game. It's picturesque, it's fun, it gives you a ton of freedom to do what you like if you don't want to follow the plot...I found a beautiful bluff overlooking the ocean on a temperate world with varied flora, fauna, and climate, plus a breathable atmosphere. I'm building a bungalow there, and it's fun to traipse about the galaxy looking for the materials I need, gaining experience as I go, leveling up...
I don't know why or how anybody could hate this game; the only thing it needs is VR support. And I can live without that if I have to.
the game is far too conservative and limited by its engine. The game doesn't feel like a new IP, years in development. There was far too much hype surrounding it. Personally I'm enjoying it, flaws and all.
When people say this game is just skyrim in space, they are right, it is perfect in everyway. My only grievance is that i cannot fly on the planets surface or even a land vehicle. Mass effect had that lame lunar rover.
*"It is perfect in EVERY way. My only grievance is...." boy what a contradiction 😂*
This game is nowhere near as good as Skyrim. How you can say this is Skyrim in space idk because do you really think in 11 years time there will still be tons of people playing this and releasing new mods like today with Skyrim? No way the side quests, world, factions, lore and gameplay are all inferior to the elder scrolls. This game is just fallout 4 in space but worse since fallouts world and lore, stories, weapons, armor, creatures and robots far exceed anything in starfield.
Wow! perfect in every way? Very high praise indeed! I'm really glad people like it that much but I personally just don't see it.
You just forgot to mention the hate that Starfield fans are presenting. Everytime I made some coment in any place, or when I read some coment that not about worshiping Starfield the response was always really disrespectful and stupid at best. My main reason to decide to never touch Starfield was the comunity of people that loved the game, not the game.
The game is typical of what I expect from Bethesda these days, bland, boring and unfinished like everything they do. To me the game sucks, and people are giving it way too much credit.
how's it unfinished?
@@Exiled7 compare its performance and gltiches, how is that anywhere near being a finished game?
The game performs really well, I don't know what you're on about or were you're getting your infomation from.
Also it's hardly got any glitches. It's on the same level as most games that have come out over the last 3 years. Not a good thing that a load of games come out with bugs but they are inevitable. Stop acting like it's awful with basic arguements that people make towards bethesda that isn't true with this game.
@@Exiled7 Who the heck do you think you are telling me what I can and cannot think!? We can disagree on a video game you know? How about you can stop defending over hyped pieces of garbage bethesda produces? Seeing as we are in the business of telling others what they can and cannot do and think. Tell me you haven't seen the gad damn glitch fest posted by other youtubers on the site?
If I am expected to pay $70 for a video game then I want it to be glitch free at the very least and fun, it's called having standards. At least I noticed you didn't throw your hands up over how bland, boring and such a silly loading screen simulator boringfield is.
Armoured Core 6 released without a hitch and it costed less than this pile of crap bethesday shat out, yet there be channels like you holding water for them as if everything they touch is gold. I hope the pay cheque was worth it. I was right, there are only 3 channels on youtube worth following because they remain objective regarding video games. Almost every other channel, yours included is bought over. What the 4q ever dude, I knew there was an angle to your essays, you are just like the other shill channels promoting garbage to the masses. Keep up the good work, only bland, incomplete games await us all in this timeline thanks to shills like you.
besthesda only dropped this pronounce BS cause they dont want to fight against the shitstorm of the left. thats a pussy move but i can live with that - even if i hate that BS!
graphics are nice, improvements in walking jumping and climbing, weapons are kinda cool blah blah…
dialogues are on a decades old standard, a lot of missions are cool a lot are boring. i dont like the building system cause the planets are dead. ship system is ok.
well i stopped playing it cause it’s nothing special in my opinion.
Lol ill say the pronouns made me pause and laugh for a second then i continued on. Saw the ship with the extended warranty and realized these guys are making fun of the culture we are living today so it made me enjoy it more. Other than that we are living in a negative world these days where being negative is hip and cool strange times we live in.
the cynicism safety blanket.
Only a 7/10??
What would u rate Skyrim then?
Only? That's fair. Unless you are judging this like IGN.
Ahhhh ya the great big wide world of subjective gaming entertainment tastes .. I actually haven’t played a soace game in along time and a big play in shooter games myself, i am a old dude thats liked alot fantasy hack an slash thru the years, but have liked si fi, its just been long time, heck funny I actually didn’t like Skyrim when it first came out lol , thought it was knida dark and gloomy and lil gawdy in the attire a friend had it on a play station i never got one my self, i am mostly a old pc gamer anyway i warched some videos of this and NmS and this knida had a better look to me, NmS looked kinda cartoonish to me .. subjectively lol.... not to be hating game play might be fun , but well looks are important sometimes lol, anyway i got Starfield ill give it a 7.5 ive got enjoyment out of it , ya sure a fair amount of load screens , and land vehicles would be nice, those probably wouldnt fit in those lil fighter ships in NmS ok ok lol , i only warched like 3 videos but they all had lil fighters... and no please no space whales .. entertainment enjoyment all in the eyes of the beholder
Well have fun with the fact that the main quest in the game is a Fetch Quest that's fun go get this thing bring it back then get this other thing come back and so on and so force weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and i didn't say anything negative just the factsTake our Leave it that's up to you who read this not me and have a nice day.
If you thought you were buying a single player Star Citizen being run on Bethesda's game engine then yes you probably were dissapointed. If however you were paying attention and knew this was going to be fallout/skyrim in space then yes you got what you wanted with some extras piled on top. It's not Bethesda's fault everyone thought that.
I think its because nothing happens in a vaccuum, people are going to automatically compare it to other space games on the market. To be fair, Bethesda's marketing and Todd's statements don't help, per se. Its not like he outright lied to people, he just never clarified some of the limitations, and I honestly think its because he made assumptions that others didn't and vice versa.
@@hengineerthey did clarify pretty much everything tho from the landing and take off to the landing zone content, people just jump to conclusion and say they lied
I just can't believe they made this game their priority. For me it's a total pass. I am not holding my breath for the next TES game and I no longer expect quality games from Bethesda.
Oh boy. Starfield has definitely been polarizing and I need to get this off my chest. I don't generally make long posts/replies, but bear with me since I did watch your entire video to give you the respect of listening to your points.
I agree that some who jumped on the Starfield hate bandwagon were mostly foolish. Review bombing a game when you haven't even played it is just stupid and petty. Starfield isn't a bad game. It's just not a great game because of things like poor optimization, typical bugs from older Bethesda games still present, average combat system, and bland exploration due to poor implementation of procedural generation. Todd's public remark about "upgrade" your system was plain stupid and didn't help improve the situation. You mean to say that the many PC players using RTX 4070 and above couldn't run the game smoothly needed to "upgrade" their system for Starfield? That's ridiculous because these players have rigs exceeding the minimum requirements. Some players with powerful rigs obviously didn't encounter as much issues, but those were exceptions. The rapid rise of popularity for optimization mods, that were created on or near Starfield's PC launch date, proved this to be a Bethesda problem.
It's true Bethesda has made improvements compared to older games like Skyrim and Fallout, but the improvements still missed the mark when compared to other recent games of similar content. For example, they added perks that seemed to make melee combat better in Starfield compared to Fallout 4, but then they also limited melee combos to only 3 hits while making all melee weapons have the same attack speed. There were no 2-handers as well. Don't even get me started on how terrible the energy type weapons were compared to ballistics. Another example is effects that affect gameplay. Why did Bethesda choose to remove gore effects like dismemberment? Players loved this and the mods from Oblivion proved it. That's why Bethesda added it in Skyrim and Fallout 3, but removed it for Starfield? All this is like one step forward and three steps back.
As for the social political war Starfield and Bethesda was thrown into? They chose to pick a side, so it's no surprise there will be people who were offended. What added fuel to the fire was the double-standards of how some chose to handle things like pronouns and gender in a single player game... especially when it comes to optional mods. Why take away people's choice to mod out things they don't like if this social politics topic isn't a big deal? Again, this isn't an online game. It's single player. Players and modders alike should be free to have options and not forced into this BS politics. This just proved IT IS a big deal because it's an agenda driven choice by Nexus and Bethesda. Those saying "IT'S JUST A GAME" are either part of the problem, or just ignorant of rising tensions due to this modern social politics war fueled and spread by the media and others with influence.
You dismissed most of the valid criticisms of this game despite briefly mentioning it. You actually have some good points in defending Bethesda and Starfield, but your bias definitely showed when you claimed Bethesda seemed free of not misleading fans during the developing of this game. They clearly did... at least Todd and Pete did. It probably wasn't originally intentional and they did seem to backtrack on some things eventually, but they did a poor job at keeping fans informed of the changes and limitations. You think most fans will have the time to follow and see every interview of Todd explaining the changes made? No. Most fans will remember the initial pitch during the game's trailer announcement. Todd did say planets, moons, suns in the background aren't just backdrops you see. The reality was these were indeed backdrops and Alanah proved it. Yes, the same Alanah who was attacked by rabid Sony fanboys for playing Starfield.
Your comparison of the Unreal Engine vs the Creation Engine was poor. Yes, the Unreal Engine is also old, but at least the devs have shown improvements, some of which were drastic, with each version. Bethesda's open world games using the Creation Engine has been shown time after time to have the same or similar bugs since Morrowind and Oblivion. There were improvements done overall, but they weren't as drastic as the Unreal Engine. People expected more from Bethesda after Skyrim... especially now that they have the backing of Microsoft. I don't know how you can't see the problem here because comparing both engines is like night and day differences.
I don't hate this game or Bethesda. I really wanted to like Starfield more, but couldn't due to its current state. You need to realize that once you screw up, people tend to be more leery of you. Fallout 76 was basically a scam at release just like how No Man's Sky was. Don't be surprised some people will be more cautious of Bethesda after Fallout 76. Anyone who doesn't understand this is the reason why companies like Activision thrive. Part of my frustration was because I'm among those who expected more from Bethesda because I've been a fan since Oblivion. This company has tons of references to use for ideas in game development because of their modding community. They chose not to take advantage of this and it's frustrated many fans since Oblivion. Modders are still the ones to pick up the slack because Bethesda keeps failing to fix or improve things in their games. That's why unofficial patches and gameplay changes for Oblivion, Skyrim, and Fallout 3/4 are so damn popular.
BGS has a reputation for being incredibly creative, forward thinking, and able to implement some very complex systems.
At the same time they have the reputation of releasing unpolished games that will have a plethora of glitches, of which many will never be fixed. For decades they have consistently had the same failings.
BGS as earned every bit of praise, and every bit of negativity.
Your point comparing the Creation Engine to Unreal Engine fails hard. Creation engine had only a handful of updates or no upgrades for 20 years. Unreal has consistently been updated, and has had 5 major updates in 20 years. That's comparing 20 years per update to an update every 4 years and calling it the same.
Are you a software engineer?
The game simply doesn't look appealing to me and that's it.
I enjoyed Oblivion and Fallout 4, that was enough.
Bethesda has a formula that I don't like to experience multiple times and Starfield seems to be more of the same.
I'm not going to try it or think about it. I have other games that appeal to me significantly more.
For reference, I play games on every system.
that's fair, best to play what you enjoy instead of making yourself play something you don't think you'll enjoy if you have others on the backlog!
This game is mid at best 5/10 just god damn admit it to youself you fanboys. I wanted it to be great, but it just isn't. End of story.
Rampant over positivity.
💥💥Starfield is a mid game bruh
okay, doesn't take away from the point of the video.
oh no some one said mean things on the internet i’m shocked what a waste of time
The hate for this game is unjustified.
No it's not this game is boring with a bunch of loading screens.
@@pp3k3jamail Personal opinion.
@@pp3k3jamail Personal opinion
There are two type of people attacking this game;
1)People that are not familiar with Bethesda that just buy the popular games and expect Elden ring every time (which is fine. You don't need to be a fan to play something)
2) Bethesda fans that were expecting the same impact as Skyrim.
The later is the one that annoys me.
This is the same phenomenon of death stranding. Just because you were a fan of Kojima doesn't mean Death stranding was gonna be a game for you and that is a though pill to swallow.
Same thing goes for Starfield. Just because you are a fallout and TES fan it doesn't mean Starfield will be catered to you!
Who is this game for? Who is it catering to?
Yes please do enlighten us and tell us who it was then made for, if not the elder scrolls and fallout fanbase ?
@@m.x.sivertsen Not you. Not everything has to be made for you.
I don't see people calling SF aggressively mediocre. Honestly I don't really see any outright hate or vitriol.