That kind of siren isn't even 30 years old yet. It can't be any older then 1989. Appearntly these sirens quit in 1998 when ASC changed into the Tempest line.
Being a child of the cold war, these sirens are real familiar to me. They represented the spectre of nuclear war to us and were no laughing matter. Running at full power and speed it would produce sound levels that would certainly deafen you if you stood that close to it in operation. I lived a city block from one many years ago and when it was tested all other sound vanished in the wail of the siren. The one you have appears to be one of the sirens made by Allied Switch and Signal or Bendix Corp, between 1955 and 1965, given the fiberglass horn and motor cover. Those made earlier were all steel or steel and aluminum. Incidently the part located inside the horm is the "Sound Projector" assembly.
I hated the that skinny dude. He doesn't allow his colleague to talk or do anything.. Man u should be a professional and take communication skills course before u do anything.
Yeah, the old guy was actually trying to explain and discover how the thing worked in detail and the skinny guy just hooks the thing up and fires it. Not only was that a big safety risk it was also very dickish
That skinny dude is Chris Boden he is a badger he thinks he knows everything much better and he's wants to make that clear in a nasty way. Without him I had already been subscribed to this channel. He also will endure no competition on youtube. so he has once said nasty things about PhotonicInduction.
Yes, when the man started to explain what he was reading on the nameplate ( 15:28 ), he just goes ahead and plugs in the siren. Out of respect, you should not do that. I hate to criticize, but I don't care how little information that other man knew on sirens, he should have heard him out, not turn on the siren whilst he is talking.
When using the 20 amp DC power supply, perhaps a proper start/run capacitor hooked up to it will get it moving. After all, that what their used for. You should let the older guy explain everything with out you taking over the show. I would think that it already has a start/run cap in circuit, but I don't know that because you never let the older guy explain everything about it. If you're a so called "Geek", then you should have explained the whole running circuit, including the caps if used with or with out, and why with or with out. Some DC motors need start and or run caps, some don't. Explain everything the hows and whys, including the Voltage, micro farad values, how and why, faze delay, power factor correction and perhaps the duty cycle on run caps and a little explanation on RMS and Peak to Peak voltage. Something for the kids and green horns to learn about too. And let the older guy talk and demonstrate things too.
Hey guys the Air is drawn into the centrifugal fan in the centre via the outside ring and the exhaust and siren sound is concentrated by the conical flutes into the pie grid in the centre. There will be some sound emanating back out the Air due to the pressure pulses created internally but not much. anyone that argue's against that has no idea of siren and speaker theory. . So to recap Air is drawn in via the outer ring and sound projected out through the triangular pie grid in the centre.
Oh man, I just cannot watch you put your hands into that impeller while the battery is still connected. That is BAD BAD BAD. Don't do that!! What if that button box fell over and that momentary switch closed for just a split second? A DC motor will take your hand off in that tiny period of time.
My grandson is OBSESSED with Tornado SIRENS!! Not the tornadoes as he is only 5 but loves the sirens (I know, lucky me,) and we watch any kind of video the has a tornado siren in it! He wants to be a Storm Chaser when he grows up so who knows ,maybe he will? Anyways thanks again for sharing your videos :)
You know it is very difficult to understand people when others talk over them. When Paul mentioned what he is looking for "The chrysler victory....", Chris proceeded to speak over him and we can't understand what you are looking for. This happens many times on talk shows especially on CZcams, and its very annoying.
This is too cool. I have a few warning sirens myself and they are a lot of fun to mess around with. Just recently I did a complete overhaul of a Thunderbolt siren - you guys should definitely see about acquiring one! Ask Jeff at WSS, I talked to him recently and he still has a ton of Thunderbolts sitting around. You guys would have a lot of fun with it, especially since they run on AC power. Great video, keep up the good work!
dont you guys have a good size welder? i've started a car on a large homemade welder supply (when i say large it was 1/3 the size of the supply you had but i think it would be heaver)
@leeofbacup he he he, yeah. We have a new production crew and they're all in training. Though if you want to donate your services to help us make a real intro we'd certainly appreciate the help! :)
Given the casual attitude toward safety displayed in this video, I would not at all be surprised if that skinny dude has killed or maimed someone else or himself by now.
Bug Grinder... Sirens of this type commonly operate with a 240v-440v 3 phase ac motor which allows for slow starting torque and high speed eventually, much more reliable than DC. And, Chris needs a corrective interview with the safety supervisor.
@danz409 We've already left Kalamazoo. The taxes were simply unbearable. We're working on locating and securing a new facility somewhere in the SW Michigan area.
This is a Nice Siren.....Never seen a RM-130 Before....but the Design looks like a Transition Between the Past Penetrator P-10/P-15 and the Modern T-128
They use these types of sirens as tornado warning devices in Texas. I was in Amarillo once when one went off across the street. It was so loud I could hardly think straight....
There's a Chrysler siren on top of a building in Kansas City it's disconnected but I heard that the power is still connected it just won't sound off during a test of the city but the problem is that it's a three phase power
yall should really get two ratchets next time, ya know what im sayin? You guys have a very tense relationship and I love seeing you actually, honestly butting heads and genuinely not liking each other very much lol. The vibe really reminds me of Jamie and Adam on mythbusters. It is entertaining in the sense that you guys very clearly have a tumultuous relationship at best, but it also does really borderline being too real and tense in a way as well lol makes for an interesting convo for sure
Oh the current is so high because there are 4 windings as field coils and then 16 or so connected to the commutator and the brushes. Depending on the 24 V DC starter motor used you could be possibly pulling 80 to 120 Amps or more.
Hilarious.... Paul has more stuff attached to his waist line then a construction worker and won't let Chris power the unit back up as he tries to read a date, and spits out the gear reduction. Great team work fellas.
@ilikepie123rs actually guys this is an ACA(alerting communicators of america)(right before they changed names to ASC[American signal Corp]) PN20 or RM-130.
The power of these comes not in how many dB, but in how far those dB reach out. A firecracker going off may be 140 dB, but at 10 feet away it's just a loud pop because it's only a small amount of air. So this may not be as loud as you might think, even though it sounds loud from far away.
The horns aren't shaped very well on this particular siren. All the sides are basically flat at the business end, which reduces the overall power of the noise. Horns with the flared ends will transfer more power into the open air, and will be audible much farther away. The Chrysler Victory siren horns are flared, which helps propel the siren's sound up to 25 miles away. Another guy built himself an oversized air horn with a proper flare, and it was clearly audible 2.5 miles away, and would probably have stretched to 4 or 5 miles pretty easily.
There was a serene on the telephone pole right in front of my house growing up. It got tested every other weekend. That's what you get when you grow up in a military town during the cold war.
As a child in the 60’s I remember the civil defense siren at the end of the street. It took a good five minutes to wind down after it was tested.
"The Little Red Forklift That Died." That's a great title for an illustrated children's book
Ha
Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
Skip ahead to 15:58 to actually hear the siren....................
thanks dudes
That kind of siren isn't even 30 years old yet. It can't be any older then 1989. Appearntly these sirens quit in 1998 when ASC changed into the Tempest line.
way to aim it at the guy who doesn't have ear protection.
Thank you Karen.
@@TempoDrift1480 👁👄👁 YaAaAAAaaSS
Oh don't worry, he's got his pinkies.
@@BicycleFunk Yeah, at least he plugged his ears!
*mailman walks up*
*siren goes off*
*mailmans eardrums liquify*
How about annoying sales/business men or Jehovah witnesses pestering you at 7am.
+Brendan Matelan yeah 😂
@@brendanmatelan2129 even worse.. telemarketers calling you at all hours of the day and even night.
Mmmm...ear juice-
This ACA PN-20/RM-130 is believed to be from Eden Prarie MN, a Federal Signal 2001-SRNB now stands in its place.
yup
Oh, well that explains the red.
It could just be the poor camera quality, but i think the red on Eden Prarie sirens were a bit darker.
The skinny guy needs some milk.
Or stop using meth LOL 😆
Thanks for the milk 😊😘
That siren is a ASC RM-130 or a PN-20 and that logo is the ASC/ACA logo and it was made in Milwaukee WI around the1990s
I think it’s a pn20 because you can see the ACA sticker just slightly.
Being a child of the cold war, these sirens are real familiar to me. They represented the spectre of nuclear war to us and were no laughing matter. Running at full power and speed it would produce sound levels that would certainly deafen you if you stood that close to it in operation. I lived a city block from one many years ago and when it was tested all other sound vanished in the wail of the siren. The one you have appears to be one of the sirens made by Allied Switch and Signal or Bendix Corp, between 1955 and 1965, given the fiberglass horn and motor cover. Those made earlier were all steel or steel and aluminum. Incidently the part located inside the horm is the "Sound Projector" assembly.
LuxDude2003 Vacuums it possibly is an aca pn20
thanks for the anecdote!
I hated the that skinny dude. He doesn't allow his colleague to talk or do anything.. Man u should be a professional and take communication skills course before u do anything.
I know right! He was being a complete dickhead. I feel bad for the old guy, probably has to deal with his shit 24/7.
Yeah, the old guy was actually trying to explain and discover how the thing worked in detail and the skinny guy just hooks the thing up and fires it. Not only was that a big safety risk it was also very dickish
That skinny dude is Chris Boden he is a badger he thinks he knows everything much better and he's wants to make that clear in a nasty way. Without him I had already been subscribed to this channel.
He also will endure no competition on youtube. so he has once said nasty things about PhotonicInduction.
yech, 2010 youtube shows, I'm gonna watch Photonicinduction.
Yes, when the man started to explain what he was reading on the nameplate ( 15:28 ), he just goes ahead and plugs in the siren. Out of respect, you should not do that. I hate to criticize, but I don't care how little information that other man knew on sirens, he should have heard him out, not turn on the siren whilst he is talking.
When using the 20 amp DC power supply, perhaps a proper start/run capacitor hooked up to it will get it moving. After all, that what their used for. You should let the older guy explain everything with out you taking over the show. I would think that it already has a start/run cap in circuit, but I don't know that because you never let the older guy explain everything about it. If you're a so called "Geek", then you should have explained the whole running circuit, including the caps if used with or with out, and why with or with out.
Some DC motors need start and or run caps, some don't. Explain everything the hows and whys, including the Voltage, micro farad values, how and why, faze delay, power factor correction and perhaps the duty cycle on run caps and a little explanation on RMS and Peak to Peak voltage. Something for the kids and green horns to learn about too. And let the older guy talk and demonstrate things too.
This is an ACA P-20. Our town used to have one, but it was replaced by a Whelen Vortex R4 because the chopper broke in it.
loll, Really guys, the tension between you two is way too obvious! Take it easyyyy
Paul is just in his own little world isn't he? I am surprised he didn't catch his fingers.
I got my fingers bit by a model 5 once. Not fun.
Hey guys the Air is drawn into the centrifugal fan in the centre via the outside ring and the exhaust and siren sound is concentrated by the conical flutes into the pie grid in the centre. There will be some sound emanating back out the Air due to the pressure pulses created internally but not much. anyone that argue's against that has no idea of siren and speaker theory. . So to recap Air is drawn in via the outer ring and sound projected out through the triangular pie grid in the centre.
Oh man, I just cannot watch you put your hands into that impeller while the battery is still connected. That is BAD BAD BAD. Don't do that!! What if that button box fell over and that momentary switch closed for just a split second? A DC motor will take your hand off in that tiny period of time.
+hugeshows Precisely what I thought the whole time!
hugeshows it’s at most just break his finger all of the blades are dull
There is a very very small potential of that happening
You have an ACA PN-20, from the mid-late 1980's.
90s
Sorry if I'm late but it is a rm 130 I think
It red
@@MaxtheSirenHunter It's a PN-20.
They are the same so it’s either a ASC RM-130 or a ACA PN-20
Nice video guys. Thanks for sharing it.
All the best,
Tom
Out of all the siren vids i've seen on youtube, you guys are the only ones that actually seem to know what you're talking about! Love the vid!
How to loose a hand 101! This is a great video to demonstrate the need for lock out protection!
the air intake creates the deep hollow sound and the exhaust creates that high pitch scream...
RM-127. I believe made by American Signal Corporation (formerly ACA) it produces 127 db at 100 feet
Horn mounted. Power on.
It's what we were expecting.
My grandson is OBSESSED with Tornado SIRENS!! Not the tornadoes as he is only 5 but loves the sirens (I know, lucky me,) and we watch any kind of video the has a tornado siren in it! He wants to be a Storm Chaser when he grows up so who knows ,maybe he will? Anyways thanks again for sharing your videos :)
You know it is very difficult to understand people when others talk over them. When Paul mentioned what he is looking for "The chrysler victory....", Chris proceeded
to speak over him and we can't understand what you are looking for. This happens many times on talk shows especially on CZcams, and its very annoying.
This is too cool. I have a few warning sirens myself and they are a lot of fun to mess around with. Just recently I did a complete overhaul of a Thunderbolt siren - you guys should definitely see about acquiring one! Ask Jeff at WSS, I talked to him recently and he still has a ton of Thunderbolts sitting around. You guys would have a lot of fun with it, especially since they run on AC power.
Great video, keep up the good work!
Man I haven't seen that Morrison Forklift logo in years. I used to do side work for them in Michigan a while ago.
dont you guys have a good size welder? i've started a car on a large homemade welder supply (when i say large it was 1/3 the size of the supply you had but i think it would be heaver)
@leeofbacup he he he, yeah. We have a new production crew and they're all in training. Though if you want to donate your services to help us make a real intro we'd certainly appreciate the help! :)
The siren is made by ACA, or Allerting Communications of America.
Lily Dane Yep, an ACA PN-20 at that
Yep.
Lily Dane it was later by asc and it was called the RM-130
Yea, I know that. The RM series was later discontinued and was replaced by the Tempest series.
if you would have to choose a siren witch one would it be ACA allertor 125 or Whelen wps 4008
I prefer the dual note ones.
At least twice as good.
this is a very awesome video i always wondered what was inside of these types of sirens, ive seen others before, very awesome
why is the 20 amp power supply so big? thermal management uber alles or mecury rectifier?
@JustInn014 We painted it back in 2004. It was originally grey.
Given the casual attitude toward safety displayed in this video, I would not at all be surprised if that skinny dude has killed or maimed someone else or himself by now.
how loud is that (in decibels) ?
Bug Grinder...
Sirens of this type commonly operate with a 240v-440v 3 phase ac motor which allows for slow starting torque and high speed eventually, much more reliable than DC. And, Chris needs a corrective interview with the safety supervisor.
Glad to see someone with a passion for these. Subbed
I could never work on sirens I'm too tempted to touch the rotor whilst its spinning.
Just to let you guys know, this siren is an ACA (Allerting Communications of America) PN-20 (Pentrator 20 horse power).
have you ever considered running it inline with an Ammeter to find the average amps?
Anyone know where I can get a Carter? Or cad/cnc plans for the rotor and stator assemblies? I know it's a long shot :)
what are the specs on that battery? how much can it hold? how much does it cost?
@danz409 We've already left Kalamazoo. The taxes were simply unbearable. We're working on locating and securing a new facility somewhere in the SW Michigan area.
awe, I wanted to hear it assembled too to see if there is any difference in sound.
Do do they work for ASC?
I remember this video from that long ago. Can’t believe it has been that long already.
You could probably make one with a table-top router motor. 😁🤪 I'd love a Federal Thunderbolt 1000!
This is a Nice Siren.....Never seen a RM-130 Before....but the Design looks like a Transition Between the Past Penetrator P-10/P-15 and the Modern T-128
They use these types of sirens as tornado warning devices in Texas. I was in Amarillo once when one went off across the street. It was so loud I could hardly think straight....
There's a Chrysler siren on top of a building in Kansas City it's disconnected but I heard that the power is still connected it just won't sound off during a test of the city but the problem is that it's a three phase power
The rotation sign just means which way it turns when the motor is fired up,
but without the chain you can rotate it anyway.
That is THE biggest damned battery I've seen in my life...
How long these battery will sustain cell phone?
Don’t forget to put on your ear protection when you’re testing the siren
Do you guys still have this siren
Seems to be a pn20 due to the swirly cd logo whereas the asc rm130 would have a blue rectangle
yall should really get two ratchets next time, ya know what im sayin? You guys have a very tense relationship and I love seeing you actually, honestly butting heads and genuinely not liking each other very much lol. The vibe really reminds me of Jamie and Adam on mythbusters. It is entertaining in the sense that you guys very clearly have a tumultuous relationship at best, but it also does really borderline being too real and tense in a way as well lol makes for an interesting convo for sure
What does this siren wron use
You guys are *good*! Thanks for doing the vid!
Is this from Eden Prairie Mn?
that looks absolutely like a ACTUAL SIREN!
KcsGreyGhost cause it is. It’s called a ACA RM-130 or also known as a ACA PN-20
I have a 2001 federal signal where I live at I wonder what volt that tornado siren runs at the 2001
This is like the most bone-chilling noise.
Elizabetha Dragomir
Yeah but have you tried a Noctua A12x25?
is that a 10 port siren?
Didn't they mount this on their roof soon after?
OMG even without the horn and at a third of the voltage that thing sounds loud
Excellent video!! Can you do a video on how a Federal Signal 550-AT siren works, please. Thank you.
so where are you guys moving to? staying in Kalamazoo? and is the whole tax thing causing the move?
Oh OK, I knew there were still some in place that hadn't been removed but I always wondered if there were still any that were operational.
It looks like you have an ASC RM-130
Finley someone knows what it is!!!
Hay it's a rm 130 . This is nothing special to me because I live in midland mi and the city system contains these and t 128
frotz661 it’s a ACA PN-20
It is just red
It is the siren name like cookies
holy shit guys, video editing exists for a reason.
Do they still work?
@pullingfabio It's not dust, it's the original grey paint. ;)
Please tell me! Can you give a drawing of this siren in miniature?
This, the noises = My anxiety throught the roof.
Facinating though
Oh the current is so high because there are 4 windings as field coils and then 16 or so connected to the commutator and the brushes.
Depending on the 24 V DC starter motor used you could be possibly pulling 80 to 120 Amps or more.
Hilarious....
Paul has more stuff attached to his waist line then a construction worker and won't let Chris power the unit back up as he tries to read a date, and spits out the gear reduction.
Great team work fellas.
Would be really cool to have a way to engage/disengage the spinning so you can get the doppler effect.
if anyone wants to know im pretty sure thats a asc rm-130 and that logo that you see is an asc logo
@ilikepie123rs actually guys this is an ACA(alerting communicators of america)(right before they changed names to ASC[American signal Corp]) PN20 or RM-130.
nice job guys and i would like to see more siren videos
What about that literal car-sized Chrysler siren? That was cool.
+GamerhackTV Hmmmm...Chrysler V8+ siren = loud siren.
Jumbo Jet engine + siren = ?
David Vermillion OMG. GO TO BOEING
you guys should get a thunderbolt siren, that would be a very good siren to demonstrait!
The power of these comes not in how many dB, but in how far those dB reach out. A firecracker going off may be 140 dB, but at 10 feet away it's just a loud pop because it's only a small amount of air. So this may not be as loud as you might think, even though it sounds loud from far away.
The horns aren't shaped very well on this particular siren. All the sides are basically flat at the business end, which reduces the overall power of the noise. Horns with the flared ends will transfer more power into the open air, and will be audible much farther away. The Chrysler Victory siren horns are flared, which helps propel the siren's sound up to 25 miles away. Another guy built himself an oversized air horn with a proper flare, and it was clearly audible 2.5 miles away, and would probably have stretched to 4 or 5 miles pretty easily.
The 550-AT siren is the siren that has 2 horns in each side. like in Calhan Colorado. It is on CZcams, just type in Calhan Siren.
There was a serene on the telephone pole right in front of my house growing up. It got tested every other weekend. That's what you get when you grow up in a military town during the cold war.
Lived in Columbus, Ohio with its Thunderbolts and STL-10s. Best. Siren. System. EVER.
Don't put your fingers in a siren!
Could you please measure the dB of this beast?
Come to Siren Con!!! 2024! Rhinelander, WI.
The siren is a ASC RM-130. It actually isn't an air raid siren ,it is a tornado siren.
You are so damn right. Especially the AWSOME Chrysler Air Raid Siren...
@kildas 26 years 217 days 9 hours 14 minutes and 11 seconds. Less if it's a long distance call.
that siren is sick!
this video is only 10 years old but it looks like it was filmed in the damn 90s
Awesome video. Please do a Federal thunderbolt!!
@HavazikFerric
It's a battery for an industrial electric vehicle.