Before Roe v Wade Women Were Prepared To Die Rather Than Give Birth
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2024
- In Part 2 of Abortion: The Body Politic, we step into the past, long before Roe, to trace the roots of today’s abortion’s debate to understand - if abortions have always happened and the majority of Americans have always believed they should be legally accessible - why is abortion such a conentious, even volatile, issue in this country. In this journey, a new narrative of reproductive resistance comes to the surface. Women, particularly Black, brown and indegenous, have always made choices that are best for their bodies, families, and lives - no matter the obstacles men have placed before them. In these stories of resistance we also hear first-hand accounts of surprising allies in underground abortion access, courage in the face of limiited reproductive choices, and a relentless push for bodily autonomy. The illegal period before Roe is a mirror to our impending, post-Roe future. It’s vital that we pay attention.
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What these ladies are saying is so true. Roe vs. Wade was being debated by the Supreme Court about the time I returned from working in Sweden. Abortion had been legal in Sweden since just before World War II, so it was not a political issue there. My girlfriend in Sweden was very active in national and international politics. She would politely make me aware of how many ways the US was backward. LOL Upper class and upper middle class girls of my generation generally were able to find an expensive doctor somewhere to carry out a safe medical procedure . . . but it was quite common for middle class and poor girls to die from inept abortion procedures - either from bleeding to death or from bacterial infections.
@manvsbridge I can’t decide what you were trying to say there. Bottom line, it’s my body, and until you personally can carry a fetus to term in your own body, you have no part in this conversation. No judgements need be made about the sexual proclivities of anyone.
@@sweetsue4204 are you saying that abortion is a form of contraception? There are multiple ways for a woman to not get pregnant and there's the morning after pill if there's any accidents like a condom ripping etc... You mentioned promiscuity, think about who really benifits from promiscuity & abortions? It's definitely not women! The medical industry are making a fortune (killing/selling/using baby organs), the governments are off the latch to actually help women & children (as are the fathers) & bringing in more taxes by having women working into their 40's & then having to pay for IVF/surrogacy to try have families if they haven't been totally indoctrinated to not have kids at all. Now trans ideologies are mainstream in 'education' which boils down to sterilisation of boys & girls. Women needs to wake up to what is really going on!!
Roe turned out to be a liar, who was told to lie for drug money
And... that has nothing to do with anyone else's rights.
@@iamjane9628 Babies should have a right to be born.
@@iamjane9628 you think only women have rights which means you are being selfish because you are a woman, but babies should have more rights than selfish drug addict women
@@iamjane9628 It has everything to do with it. If she didn't lie there would never be Roe v Wade.
So everyone's reason for murdering babies is drugs. And being born is more important than being loved and cared for.. got it #reasons
Thank you Katie. I fear for the future of American women. I was a teen when it was not legal and I heard the horror stories. This was a contrived issue to seek more votes at a time when R were losing.
You should hear about the ab0rted unb0rn that survive this barbaric practice only to be "disposed of" after. If all womyn knew how cruel this practice was they would all oppose it.
@@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 I think in case anyone dosn't know that'd untrue I might need to point out this is untrue.
Exactly. It was contrived in the 1970's by the political right after their racism platform became unfavorable. They had to latch onto something else to bring in the $$.
@@stopthemediaswaronmen3029 You are referring to all the fetuses that survive an abortion and live to tell their stories? Where are they?? Hanging out in silence with the Tooth Fairy?
No one wants to take away your abortions, they just want common sense abortion law.
Thank you so much for sharing, and for your work in the world helping others. Shameful that any one feels justified in stripping a woman of her right to the privacy to control the well-being and safety of her own body. Demanding a woman give up her human rights for a non viable fetus is enslavement; forced pregnancy is enslavement. Imposing extremist religious beliefs on women who do not hold the same beliefs is discrimination, subjugation and oppression.
I can’t believe it says in the comment section that Women, particularly black, brown, and indigenous have made choices that are best for their bodies” as if you have any real statistics on this. Why do you assume such a ridiculous and quite racial statement without any type of real data? This is a disgrace to women that you would make such a conclusion that we hate being pregnant. Seems to me that you were only catering to the dysfunctional of society who will always be miserable and feel like victims no matter what. The rest of us see life as a gift. I pity the women who find that killing your child is the way to happiness. It is the lie of the millennium.
Cite YOUR sources and data please. There are statistics that show the vast majority of women who will suffer as a result of the turn back of Roe V. Wade will be poor black, brown, and indigenous women. Have you even cared to read the statistics or are you just parroting verbiage you have heard from the Religious Reich?
It is not a child. You are deluded to think that a clump of cells is a child. Keep your religious values out of other's lives. If you do not want an abortion don't have one.
@@MsRedsphere The people of color and indigenous people that you are claiming you know all about are religious. You’re lying. Take your pompous empty lifestyle of self indulgence and keep it to yourself. I have been telling this to Black people forever that they are been being manipulated by other women Who claim to be smarter than them and I tell them to use their own instinct and not be manipulated by evil people such as yourself. You don’t know Black people and you don’t know indigenous people so stay out of their lives.
@JJ The decision to abort or to carry the pregnancy to term is YOUR decision and YOUR decision alone. It's your body. It's YOUR life. If you want to discuss the options available to you that is YOUR decision. PERIOD End of discussion. Men need to understand that if they are going to have sex with a woman they run the risk of impregnating.that woman. If the woman becomes pregnant the decision is HERS to either have the baby or to terminate the pregnancy. If he doesn'tlike that he should have a vasectomy just as I did when I was 20. I've never regretted my decision as I have ALWAYS known I didn't want to have children.
If the man wants the woman to have the baby he'd better be ready, able, and willing to PAY for that child until the child is 21 or if the child is going to college, 25.
Having a child is a very complex and important decision that every woman who is sexually active needs to consider very carefully.
Who cares if people with mental disorders or "those who aren't very bright" don't breed? That means less greenhouse gases, more resourse availability, less unproductive people and empower the future productive generation that would follow. We would finally have 0 excuse for for not trying to attain true socialism.
Also please remember marx said the workers should never give up their arms under any circumstances, stop advocating for this comrades. You are falling for the bourgeoisie trap.
I have several friends and clients who have had abortions. I don't know anyone who woke up one day, said " La De Da! I think I'll meet a friend for lunch and have an abortion and then meet friends for drinks later"! If a woman decides to have an abortion she should not have to confer with anyone and doesn't need anyone's advice or opinion. The decision is hers and hers alone. Anyone who doesn't believe in abortions ...OK...don't have one. For those who believe having an abortion is a sin...I say it's between the woman and her belief system and her idea of God. And, besides, who among us is without sin? But MY God is omnipotent and all forgiving. Otherwise, we're all in deep trouble, aren't we?
Wow So the denial of God makes this abomination on us as a civilization all okay? Nothing good comes from something bad. From my experience and knowledge of friends, I do believe the soul of that child literally will haunt the woman forever and does. Alcoholism it’s a big escape for deep regrets such as abortion.
Well said, Randy. Thank you.
@@cyndimorgan9792 He who is without sin....
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
@@cyndimorgan9792 Given the number of abortions and miscarriages that occur, there must be a lot of hanted women out there. It is a wonder any of us can even function! Puh-lease....
@@cyndimorgan9792 You are of course entitled to your opinion. You cannot be certain that the spirit of the unborn child will haunt the woman any more than you can be certain that there is a God. And you certainly have no RIGHT to impose your beliefs on anyone else. I don't like the idea of abortions but then I don't have to have one. I did, however, as a man of 20 years of age have a vasectomy because I have known all of my life that I did not want to be a father. You may disagree. Fine with me. Frankly, I don't care what you think as it was MY decision to make. If you want to have a dozen kids bully for you. I don't care and wish you well. None of my business. You live your life and I and any woman who decides she doesn't want to bring an unwanted child into the world will live ours. How many unwanted children have you adopted? How many pregnant women have you offered to take their unwanted children to raise? Or does your "religion" end in self righteousness? And as for God..who said there is no God? I believe in God. Just not the hateful, vendictive God who casts people who may not live up to "his" ( or your )_ expectations into a lake of eternal fire. If you ask me that concept of God is blasphemous. Go talk with your God and I'll talk with mine.
Or Adoption
Or none of your business
Women should take the unwanted newborn babies to the doorsteps of the judges who voted to overturn RvW and leave the babies with them to raise. YOU want them YOU take them.
Don't a lot of states allow a woman to leave an unwanted newborn at a hospital or a fire station, with no questions asked?
@@lindaoneil5085 If you want to give birth to a baby and drop it off at your local fire station go right ahead. Not every woman wants to go through the 9 months of pregnancy just to drop the kid off. At the age of 20 I had a vasectomy. My mother threw a rabid fit. She wanted me to have a child or 12 just so SHE could hold a baby in her lap. She said I was selfish because I didn't want to have children. How DARE I not give her grandchildren?! Of course, I decided by the time that I was
12 or 13 that I was going to live my own life and that I was not going to have children just to make someone else happy.
And as I refused to allow the Catholic Church, my mother, or anyone else bully or guilt me into having children I don't believe either you or I have the right to put those demands on anyone else. Who are you to tell a woman that she has got to have a child that she doesn't want to have just because YOU think she should have the child? Who are you to tell a woman that if she is going to have sex with a man that she must pay for that act by going through with a pregnancy? And just HOW does any other woman's decision to have an abortion affect your life? Really?! Explain to me how my decision to have a vasectomy or another woman's decision to have an abortion affects YOU?
If YOU don't want to have an abortion...if having an abortion is not the right choice for you then by all means don't have an abortion! Have the child. Have a dozen babies! Who cares? I will defend your right to have all the babies that you want to raise! I will stand beside you and fight anyone who tries to force you to have an abortion. But I will also stand beside any woman on earth and fight for HER right to not bring and unwanted child into the world. How many of those children have you adopted? How many do you want? Let's post a big-ass billboard outside your front porch asking unwed mothers or wedded pregnant women to drop their unwanted babies off on your front door step...no questions asked.
As for the church....I wonder how many nuns through the centuries have given birth to unwanted babies. Where should THEY drop off their unwanted babies? Your house? Be my guest.
Look...I knew from the time I was in diapers that I was an unwanted child. My "father" never wanted children. My mother wanted a dozen. She ( they ) had FIVE and our lives were miserable. I grew up in a hell house the son of an abusive alcoholic and a narcissistic mother. Neither of them should have ever had children. There were FIVE unwanted children under one roof...and totally screwed up as a result. My older sister is psychotic and sticks her head in her ( electric ) oven just to communicate with our grandparents who have been dead for more than 50 years. I had to take care of my older brother who was psychotic and had been abused all of his life.
There is NO WAY IN HELL that I was going to give an innocent child my "father's" sur name. He didn't deserve it. He did his damnedest to kill my younger sister and me when we were toddlers. So don't talk to ME about unwanted children lady. I have written the damned book on being an unwanted child! I've also paid for a few homes and Mercedes Benzes for psychologists to learn to live and cope with being an UNWANTED child. AS AN UNWANTED CHILD I used to PRAY to your God that somebody...anybody...would come along and adopt me to rescue me from HELL HOUSE. Your god never saw fit to relieve me of two unwanted parents.
@@rwatts2155 I'm so sorry that you had to grow up like that, with narcissists for parents. It's your life and body, and your mom (or anybody else) has NO right to tell you what to do with your body. I wasn't telling anybody what to do with their unwanted children, I was just wondering if that option was still available.
As for the Catholic Church, they are the worst hypocrites I have ever seen. I have heard of the Tuam Home for unwed mothers and their babies which was operated by the Bon Secours nuns from 1925-1961 in County Galway, Ireland. After the home closed for good, hundreds of bodies of babies and toddlers were found in the home's Victorian-era septic tank. They had been murdered by the nuns, from neglect and abuse. I've heard of convents that were torn down, and babies' skeletons were found in the walls.
No wonder the Catholic Church has developed such a bad reputation.
My post seems to have triggered a lot of PTSD in you, which was NOT my intention. I'm truly sorry you and your siblings had to go through all that.
You're not alone, sweetie.
As for me, even though my mom kept telling me I was a wanted child, sometimes I had my doubts, too. My dad would spank the s**t out of me for things I never did until I was 16, my little sister physically and emotionally abused me (she whopped me across the mouth with a bike chain trying to knock out my newly straightened teeth after 5 years of treatment), and my parents never believed me when I told them. Most of my classmates tormented me for wearing glasses, braces, and being very shy, which they thought I was being "stuck-up". I've had stones thrown at me, been called the B-word by both boys and girls, was spit on a few times, and verbally & physically assaulted (fought back, though, and was put in detention for defending myself), and was humiliated for nothing in front of the class by a couple of teachers through the years.
I am seeing a psychologist too. I am taking antidepressants, Valium, and sleeping tablets to keep me at operating levels.
Believe me, there are plenty of times I wished I had never been born, even to the present day.
Sorry for the long letter. I hear you loud and clear, and I don't blame you for being resentful.
Peace.
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@@lindaoneil5085 thank you. I also take antidepressants and spent 15 years in therapy trying to learn how to survive my childhood.
I do have PTSD as a result of the abuse I experienced. And yes I get angry when people who have no clue about what those of us who were unwanted and were abused go through. I think the only reason I have lived as long as I have is because of my anger and that I decided years ago that I was not going to give the bastards the satisfaction of seeing me lose.
Some people try to paint those of us who are pro choice as cold and uncaring. In fact my heart breaks for women who find it necessary to have an abortion. As a man I readily admit that I can't imagine what a woman experiences when she decides that she has got to make that choice. But I also know that the last thing any woman needs is for anyone to criticize her for making such a personal choice. Yet some hateful people seem to feel the need to judge and victimize others who have to make these choices.
I agree with you about the hypocrisy of the church. They are so concerned about the sanctity of life... yet more people have been killed in religious wars than any other cause of death through out history. I think bringing an unwanted child into the world is much worse and cruel than aborting an unwanted pregnancy.
@@rwatts2155 That's right. Remember the "Prom Mom" who gave birth on the toilet and left her newborn there, then returned to the prom dance? She left that poor child there just like it was a turd! I was so mad at this girl I wanted to strangle her. It's in the news all the time, babies found in bags on the roadside, in the garbage can or dumpster. I don't understand people who do that; I doubt if they have a soul. I couldn't do that to a kitten!
When I was growing up, I did the same: Putting on a deadpan face when tormented by my classmates or punished for nothing by my father. I was NOT going to give them the satisfaction of seeing me cry. Of my school days, my Mom frequently says I went to school with a rare concentration of creeps. I know where your rage comes from: It's from bottling up your emotions, because I was the same way too. As a child I was not allowed to get angry, cry, or speak up, or I got punished for "backtalk".
Google a woman by the name of Gerri Santoro. She died from an illegal botched abortion in 1964. Her boyfriend and father of her unborn baby tried to perform an abortion, but when Ms. Santoro started bleeding heavily, her boyfriend fled, leaving her alone to die on the dirty floor of a motel room. Caution: the police picture is graphic.
Stay strong. Talking about your experiences is good, rather than bottling them up. Take one day at a time; looking too far ahead in the future is stressful, just deal with them as they come along. 🙂👍
Yes, because it's human nature to accept anything else, but not other peope, state or '''baby''' to own your body.
I hope, so bad, that Roe v. Wade is overturned.
Yes
Same...We should be able to vote.... These women have killed millions of babies and now America is becoming the weakest planet on Earth
I wish the courts would make guys get a vasectomy!
@@user-di2on5gl2d mhmm
@@user-di2on5gl2d stupid to say that! LoL...look at what they did, Roe v. Wade is overturned!!! 😃😃😃
Yes you own your body and you chose to sleep around and murder your mistake. Be thankful your mother loved you enough to value your life and not murder you.
God Bless You friend for sharing so openly. You are loved.
God hates those who shed innocent blood. He doesn't bless sin. She needs to repent like the rest of us and seek Jesus Christ.
@@jessicalee3546 You shouldn't push your religious morals on those who don't share them
@@NoSpaceCowboy That would be like seeing someone's house on fire and not saying anything. That would be wicked. If I know someone was on there way to hell, my job is to try to prevent that. The Lord said for us to go out to the world and share the gospel. I have to. It's my job and I take it very seriously.
You own your bodies not your children.
I don't understand why woman didn't just in masses tried to obtain sterilisation? Just, purly psychologicaly to know you could be forced to be pregnant (as itself to tormenting).
It’s extremely hard for women to obtain sterilization, even now women are being denied from doctors because they don’t have any children or are too young even though they’re legal asults
@@Brooke-bc2iq And many men think it's just as simple for women to get sterilized as it is for men. It can take months if not years to find a doctor willing to do it. It's very annoying, frustrating and not as simple as they think.
It's easier for a man to get a vasectomy than for a woman to get her tubes tied.
Too bad it’s gonna be overturned
May they be permanently removed from power for this contrived outrage against women. 😤
Tbh Ive thought about suicide because im pregnant during this abortion ban.
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Find strength in Christ to do the right thing and become a loving mother to your baby. If you're still really that desperate go drink moon tea, that's what women did before surgery was a safe thing.
But you got one that's the point. Not everybody agrees with it that's our point.
It's OK to disagree with it. To impose one's will on another is wrong.
Wow! She was really willing to do just about anything to avoid responsibility for the life she created!
Last time I read about it a male AND a female were required to get pregnant. Or do you know something I DON'T know? How many men get their jollies and run? My uncle tried that. His ex wife had him sent to jail for non-payment of child support. My mother slammed her for it. I commended her. She didn't rape him. Neither did his FO wife but she didn't force him to pay child support for their two kids. His SECOND wife wasn't as forgiving and got him for their two.
I had no sympathy for him as he molested me since I was 6 years old until I was 15 and put a stop to it myself.
Women do not create babies all by them selves. The creation of a child requires the man to fertilize the egg of the woman with his seed. A woman can only create a single child (twins, triplets ……sextuplets not-withstanding) once every nine months. A man could conceivably 😉 create as many as nine babies in a single day. Just think of it! That’s one heck of a lot of babies. A woman cannot run away from the creation. She has to carry it around with her for nine whole months and eighteen years. She must wear the scarlet letter. Consider how that might affect her desire to go to college and figure out how to save the planet for ALL living creatures. Men can just walk away, oblivious to their obligations and even to whether or not they are leaving in their wake, hungry mouths to feed. , Momma must feed those mouths, a.k.a. work to afford food, while Poppa’s out in the world, pursuing his dreams and living his best life. Leaving a trail of tears.
@@trulyaghast9712 I’m not arguing anyone should shirk their responsibility, but let’s be clear here, this lady murdered a baby to avoid repercussions for her decisions.
how many times have you had unprotected sex? C'mon John...you're acting like immaculate conception was at work. Unwanted pregnancies will stop when MEN's bodies are invaded - how about this - any woman can make a man submit DNA to prove paternity. IF its his child he is automatically taxed for life to support that child, if he's a loser, then go after his parents and siblings. If that doesn't work - castrate him. What are your thoughts on that John?
@@johngalardi A fetus is not a baby, any more than an acorn is an oak tree. A fetus is a POTENTIAL baby; given the right environment, a precise set of biological circumstances, and time, it will eventually become a baby. Somone who choses to have an abortion and not create and bring a child into the world that they are not willing or prepared to support IS being responsible.
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The best form of contraception is to keep your legs closed.
Sanctimonious misogynist?
How many teenagers do you know who are willing or able to follow that advice? I can tell you that the number is VERY small.
What an illogical, stupid comment!
It is a given that noone has opened their legs for you in a long time....
@@rwatts2155 Just because our society pushes degeneracy doesn't make it right.
Today, I liked your video because of English subtitles.
Should've drag the guy to court and make him pay for child support or he can get a vasectomy!
Now that Roe is done, I think its time to repeal the 19th amendment!
Okay 🤷
cope