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Postmillennialism: This Age And the Age to Come? - Ask Pastor Tim
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 7. 08. 2024
- Does your eschatology view fit with a two-age program? In this study, Tim goes to countless passages in order to help us interpret Scripture from Scripture itself. Once we've seen the big picture it should all the more motivate you to live by the power of God that this present age is characterized by in the believer's life.
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0:00 - Logo intros.
0:15 - Preview of the study.
1:09 - Ephesians 1, an age and an age to come.
6:01 - What does the term age mean?
9:33 - Matthew 12, they considered they were in a age and that there was another to come.
12:31 - Mark 3, parallel accounts can help us see the big picture.
15:18 - Mark 10 speaks of rewards in this age.
19:37 - 1 Timothy 6, be convinced of a two-age structure leading right out into eternity.
23:21 - Luke 20.34
28:41 - Galatians 1
31:30 - This present age goes on to the point of where eternal life starts.
32:31 - 2 Corinthians 4.3-l4
34:36 - John 6 tells us when we are resurrected from the dead.
40:26 - Do you see this framework we are developing based on these passages?
41:48 - Matthew 13
45:15 - What is my point so far?
46:54 - Hebrews 6
51:00 - 1 Corinthians 15.20
57:43 - Step back and just see the big picture!
59:25 - Why do the postmill people think glory days will come?
1:00:33 - 1 Corinthians 15.51
1:03:04 - 1 Thessalonians 4.16
1:04:11 - John 12.48 - the last day is judgment day.
1:06:55 - Matthew 28, this is the age of missions.
1:10:12 - Ephesians 1, back to the start.
1:16:50 - Postmill people feel like something is lacking right now.
1:26:08 - Use the power of God that is at work in your life!
1:32:06 - Do you see? This age is characterized by victory.
1:34:46 - Does this not make you want to shout?
1:35:25 - Be cautious of any system that would portray the book of Revelation as not relevant to you today.
1:37:48 - Question - What about the age to come from the Old Testament?
1:40:28 - Question - Revelation 20 - spiritual or physical resurrection?
Use the following markers to skip to a certain point in the study or see what is ahead if your time is limited:
0:00 - Logo intros.
0:15 - Preview of the study.
1:09 - Ephesians 1, an age and an age to come.
6:01 - What does the term age mean?
9:33 - Matthew 12, they considered they were in a age and that there was another to come.
12:31 - Mark 3, parallel accounts can help us see the big picture.
15:18 - Mark 10 speaks of rewards in this age.
19:37 - 1 Timothy 6, be convinced of a two-age structure leading right out into eternity.
23:21 - Luke 20.34
28:41 - Galatians 1
31:30 - This present age goes on to the point of where eternal life starts.
32:31 - 2 Corinthians 4.3-l4
34:36 - John 6 tells us when we are resurrected from the dead.
40:26 - Do you see this framework we are developing based on these passages?
41:48 - Matthew 13
45:15 - What is my point so far?
46:54 - Hebrews 6
51:00 - 1 Corinthians 15.20
57:43 - Step back and just see the big picture!
59:25 - Why do the postmill people think glory days will come?
1:00:33 - 1 Corinthians 15.51
1:03:04 - 1 Thessalonians 4.16
1:04:11 - John 12.48 - the last day is judgment day.
1:06:55 - Matthew 28, this is the age of missions.
1:10:12 - Ephesians 1, back to the start.
1:16:50 - Postmill people feel like something is lacking right now.
1:26:08 - Use the power of God that is at work in your life!
1:32:06 - Do you see? This age is characterized by victory.
1:34:46 - Does this not make you want to shout?
1:35:25 - Be cautious of any system that would portray the book of Revelation as not relevant to you today.
1:37:48 - Question - What about the age to come from the Old Testament?
1:40:28 - Question - Revelation 20 - spiritual or physical resurrection?
Former Amil...watched once and listened once...still Postmil. The only issue I have with Postmil is the tribalism, if there is a cage stage to Calvinism there has to be one for Postmil. #datpostmil
Wonderful teaching, so encouraging. Iâve learned so much.
Even as a partial preterist I'm looking forward to this. Thank you Brother
I'm Postmill and this is great that we can talk about this, sadly most christians are not aware of other end time views they only know the rapture. We all agree the gospel must go forth with power to all people. What we believe about the end times is important, I've met far to many scared christians recently and the bible clearly tells us not to be scared. When I read the gospels I'm constantly struck with the thought God walked this earth for 33 years, he came to die for us and permitted sinful man to crucify him. I cant think of anything since the creation of the world until now more significant than when The Lord Jesus took on flesh. That's why I am postmill.
@Jonathan Thomas How do I put something so glorious into words. I read the gospels with so much joy I think I understand Simeons joy (even if only a little) when he was holding the Messiah. I always keep one foot in the gospels no matter where i am reading in the bible. It keeps me in a state of awe. I started reading this way last year and it's only increased my love for God and thats why I look at the Lord Jesus in the gospels as the most significant event in history everything else in history pales by comparison and will until he comes again.
If, my brother, you hold such a love for Christ, how then can you hold this view in his name? If you study the meaning of such a view it tries to prioritize a centric here and now view rather than a hope. Hope that is seen is not hope because you no longer are hoping for it, you are working for it. And yet, God has said that he is getting HIMSELF a Kingdom, not that we are ushering it in. Notice our Lord saying the Gospel of the Kingdom, as of a Kingdom coming near, or arriving in a fashion, rather than one that is made manifest in our presence now. In the Spirit, the Kingdom is here, but in the Flesh, how can it be present? All of Scripture talks about clean and unclean? Is our flesh yet pit away? No. In fact, though it be dead for Christians, it has an active life in those who refuse the Gospel and die in the same manner. Death still reigns predominantly over many, so then how can we call this current age a Kingdom of God? Til death is subjugated we have only seen the firstfruits of the Kingdom and not the fulness thereof.
@@xavierthomas5835 Amen Xavier. Paul gives a beautiful description of the first resurrection in 1 Corinthians chapter 15. The Rapture of the Body of Christ an event that is hated by so many professing Christians will be imminent when the Church Age hits 2000 years of existence on earth. Hosea 6 v 2 Psalm 90 v 4 and 2 Peter 3 v 8 is why the Body of Christ is still on earth and why God hasn't vindicated His Holy Name yet. I will always be premillenial because the Body of Christ has nothing in common with saints in Time of Jacob's Trouble. There are so many problems with Tim's argument of No one will be raised before the last day. Problem 1 When did old Testament saints come up. How can Matthew 27 v 52 to 53 happen. Problem 2 Who will appear at the Judgement Seat of Christ. How is Romans 14 v 10 1 Corinthians 3 v 9 to 15 and 2 Corinthians 5 v 10 going to happen. Problem 3. At Marriage Supper of Lamb who will be the Bride of Christ and who will be the wedding guests. Problem 4. Who will accompany the Lord Jesus Christ at Battle of Armageddon in Revelation chapter 19 and Problem 5 Where does a believer go when he or she dies now. See what I mean Xavier. Tim Conway can not answer these questions. Shalom. Peace
Send this to Jeff Durbin....
I am open to learn both views⊠I shall listen âŠ
Thank you!
Soli Deo Gloriaâïž
Hereâs âan humble attempt,â âŠ
âŠto challenge, from a postmill who greatly loves my IâllBeHonest brethren.
Would love if all would read this.
Before I begin,
It makes me honestly sorrowful when I read Amill and Premill books or listen to their teachings, and they refer to postmills âawaiting some golden age,â when postmillennial theology doesnât talk that way about itself. We believe the Kingdom has been established, but it was established as a mustard seed and will grow and grow and grow until it reaches such monumental proportions that, metaphorical speaking, birds of the air will be able to nest in its branches.
We are not, as as our beloved brother MacArthur has said, thinking we will âwaltz into the Kingdom.â Neither are we, as Conway suggested, just waiting for some âgolden age.â We (the church) are advancing, often in imperceptible degreesâŠ.and Christ conquering, waging war with the nations, with a sword coming from His mouth, is a current reality; manifested in the preached Word of God. We have only been in this holy war for two days. Just two days. (2 Peter 3:8). We have much work to do.
Now, regarding the majority of Conwayâs presentation, I would agree that in a general sense, there is this age, and the age to come. However, scripture itself is not as dogmatic as Conway is when he acts like that âtwo age modelâ is a rigid grid upon which we must interpret EVERY verse of the Bible.
Look at these verses.
Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages* He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
- Hebrews 9:26
Ages. Plural.
so that in the ages* to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
- Ephesians 2:7
Future ages (plural) to come.
See, scripture never promises to always use the same word the same way, and when we dogmatically force it to, we limit our ability to be flexible in our interpretations and uncover these mysteries which God has hidden (Proverbs 25:2)
Whatâs funny is, Conway himself, if you watch his series on eschatology, ardently proclaimed that the âend of the ageâ spoken of in Matthew 24:3 is CLEARLY not the end of human history, but the end of âthe Jewish ageâ (his words)
And he is correct, Jesus wasnât talking about the end of human history, he was talking about the cataclysmic end of the Judaic age, which would result in now the Kingdom of God being open to all other nations in the way that in times before only Israel (as a NATION) could be a nation of Yahweh worshippers.
You see, Conway is willing there to say that the Bible speaks in different ways and at different times about âages.â Sometimes scripture is referencing the ultimate two age model, and sometimes itâs simply not talking about that general reality.
Dogmatically claiming Satan will be god over all of human history, and his spiritual fortresses will never be torn down through the gospel, is just not conclusively proven through this video.
I have much more to write, but Iâll leave you with Matthew 20.
Jesus speaks of the Kingdom having workers hired in later hours, who âdo not bear the brunt of the burden nor the scorching heat of dayâ as did laborers hired in hours (ages/generations) previous.
We are not there yet.
Love my Amill brothers.
In Christ,
A postmill.
I love Everything end times! I'm so looking forward to listening to this!
You get a high off it?
@@araoghlian5890 Maybe not a high but I'm drawn to Eschatology... and I pretty much understand all the views from which Amil made the most sense
The age to come is the eternal life.
Earth age (including 1000 year reign) and Heaven age? That's what I thought it was. There's just so many things lining-up now that I was taught as a teen in the 1980s would happen in the Great Trib.
-Food shortages and *worldwide* famine, war, pestilence, etc (Rev 6)
-Statue, 10 stories high, that talks ... like the beast they are forced to worship (see "The Giant, moving statue, that they want to put in 21 cities around the world).
-A one world government that reduces world leaders to 10 kings, who give their power to the Antichrist (see WEF and WHO speaking about how we only need one government now, and Prince Charles speaking on giving trillions of dollars to "him" who is the only one to solve world problems).
-Cashless society (see all the talk of crypto, doing away with cash, worldwide).
-Biometric payments (see UK supermarket scanning faces for payment, hand-scanning for payments, Denmark declaring biometricly monitoring purchases, and patents like number 2020060606).
Just so weird that it's all happening at one time, and that these WEIRD things are *possible* all at this time.
The problem is that the 1000 years begins with the binding of Satan, and ends with Satan being loosed for a little season after the 1000 years. The 1000 years ends and time continues. Therefore the 1000 years cannot be symbolic of the time Christ dies till the end. Satanâs binding in ch 20 did not happen on the cross. The 1000 years has a beginning and an ending, then time afterwards. And What Christ did at Calvary is irreversible, and effected all believers in the past and future.
I have a question I wanted to go to church for the longest time to be with other believers the thing is most of the churches in my area either were catholic or preached you must ask Jesus in your heart so I quite going to church . Now a new pastor is pre aching at a church which at use to attend that use to preach you must ask Jesus in your heart now preaches repent and believe but unless I can get a ride I canât physically go there due to my kids and my husband working because I would need help getting over there I canât walk there because of health reasons my sugar might go too low if I try walking there plus to walk there with twin girls my question is if I were to tithe to that church would it be like spiritually going?
I think it's important to gather with fellow believers. That said, if there are obviously health issues that prevent you from being there I ln person you might not be able to. Is it possible for someone to give you a ride to church?
I know that happens pretty often at my church when there's a brother or sister who doesn't have a car or has mobility issues.
There are other ways to tithe, such as helping in the local community, purchasing theologically sound books to donate to the jails and libraries, supporting missions. Maybe check and see if the church has sermons posted online (Facebook, their website) and watch a few to get a feel for them. If you are interested further in participating with them, reach out to them and let them know how you want to worship and learn with them but are currently struggling with the ability to travel. Surely someone would enjoy lending a hand, for this is our duty. Try your best to meet with the people, plan schedules ahead and let your family know why you would like to use the car, or perhaps they can drop you off and you can find someone at the church who can give you a ride home to ease everyoneâs burden. Your family should make this a priority for you, and themselves.
I understand how hard it can be to find a church that preaches an accurate message. Pray pray pray! God will make a way for you to be where HE wants you. The desire to be with other members of the Church is a godly desire, keep focus on those things. Much love to you Sister. Put it in the Lordâs hands, and while you wait- do not neglect your studies. There are far too many resources available at our fingertips - a gift from above in such times as these, with struggles as these.
If the earth is millions years old like they say could that mean there were previous ages to this one?
Eh. Still pre millennium here. However, I ultimately don't think it will matter who was right. Because there's a 99 percent chance we die the old fashioned way, and we're arguing over the last 1...that we drew the lucky ticket to see the return of Christ (either rapture or full return). Regardless, ending up on his right hand has the same rules no matter how our reality ends.
How about Ephesians 2:7? âso that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.â
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@Iâll Be Honest
Ages in every since of the word can just as easily be said as "times". So in essence for all time shall God be showing forth the riches of his grace.
@@xavierthomas5835 thank you for the response. I donât know if the word is the same as in all the other verses he mentioned. The emphasis was on âthis age and the age to come,â and it was stressed that it meant the here and now and then the age where all believers go to be with Christ forever. So I saw this verse and it didnât really fit what he was talking about. But I will definitely look into it.
It's the end of the "age of eledged reason"
The thousand year is part of the next age. When the thousand years have gone, the wicked dead is going to be raised and judged, it doesn't mean that the age stops there. But satan is going to be bound for a 1000 years.
if we are in the new covenant and it never ends why is JESUS coming back? Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. so, you are calling JESUS a liar if that was not 70ad.Daniel chapter 12 puts his second coming in 70ad.
He is getting it wrong. The age to come is the millenium. Eternity isnt an age. An age is a temporary period of time . Eternity is forever there is no time
The bible is clearly a premil book but christians who dont read the bible in totality are confused by postmil and amil heresy. Its like thinking you know what a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle is supposed to look like when you only have a few pieces
Hello
The gospel is the gospel of the kingdom!
Jesus the Messiah suffered and died, God raised him from the dead and exalted him to his right hand! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! Godâs government on the earth! Believers will rule the nations with Jesus!
The Messiah died for his people! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people at his coming! They will rule the nations!
The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be on the earth! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
The same way he says testimony in this verse from Matthew, he uses to make another statement in the same book: And if they recieve you not, wipe your feet as a testimony against them.( Matthew 10:14) For verily, I say unto you that ye shall not have passed over the cities of Israel before the end.(Matthew 10:23)
At the first Gog Magog war, Russia, Iran, Eritria, etc will come to attack Israel (Ezekial ch.38-39). Then Jesus will come and his feet will stand on the olive mountain (Zechariah 14:4) and Jesus will fight Russia and Iran with hailstone, confusion and ofcourse nuclear weapons of Israel (Zechariah 14:2). Then he will reign in Israel as a King for a 1000 years.
No historical Protestant commentators would have any idea what youâre talking about
Gog a d Magog are NOT Russia, that is a war against the church. Gog and Magog represent the final enemies of God
@@Matthew-bu5pq amen, Ezekiel would not have understood this to be the meaning of this text nor would the apostles not would the church fathers nor would the reformers⊠but just wait, 2022 in America⊠one man will figure it out lol.
@@classicchristianliterature Stop acting like an Athiest. Just because John Calvin did not comment. It does not mean it is not true. Why dont you Google the names of the countries listed in Ezekial 38?
@@JaviLpz116 This is pure Antisemitism. Has God forsake the Jews? All the modern day prophesy about Israel is being fulfilled.