Shifter: Dear Photographer
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- čas přidán 21. 04. 2021
- Not a single living human asked for this film but I was in the van for an extended period and really started to lose it, so I thought what better way to pass the time than to make a film about the advice I WISH someone had shared with me years ago. Now, I forgot ONE piece of advice I'm going to share in the next film but here are eleven tasty tidbits of introspection that might come in handy if you find yourself aiming your high beams at the professional photographic industry. You might think many of these are damn obvious but you would be amazed at what I've seen and heard.
Now, this might be tough love for the fragile types but that's okay. There is nothing like having a photo editor throw a stapler at your head to bring one up to speed on tough love and the reality that stitches are stitches and tomorrow is another day.
1. 6:00, stop complaining
2. 9:44, learn how to politely say "no"
3. 13:50, work harder
4. 15:52, work smarter
5. 18:33, slow down
6. 21:17, say "thank you"
7. 24:13, unplug
8. 26:09, have fun, smile and act like there is life beyond yours
9. 27:26, stop making everything about personal gain
10. 29:15, keep learning
11. 32:17, "can't be a jerk and still get work" - Zábava
Great video. I have Personalized video notifications on and never say this new series before. Remind the Subscribers!
I so enjoyed & appreciate this video. You said soooo much (most of it, actually) that I can relate to. Every single point (other than the gallery “party after the party”.) Never been - really don’t care. But I have had a “dream” to be noticed thru my photos. 😑 Just haven’t had the guts to push it. So I spend time on FB, looking/hoping for likes. You’re right - it’s a waste of time,energy, & brain cells. Thank you for your time and candor. I will be listening to this several times. Hopefully, some of it will sink in.
Trying to break in softly and smoothly by not having the subject of photography being at the forefront of your initial conversations with key people who work where you wanna work. This is essential.
Yep, a case by case scenario but each teaches something.
I lost it when you said loin cloth, again when you said you smelled smoke, and a third time after interpretive dance. Good, god. 😂
Threatening an interpretive dance is one of my favorite things in the world.
TW200 for the win! T-dub is the burro of the motorcycle world, it will always get you there, maybe not quickly or in style, but it just plain works. It will be the last motorcycle I sell.
That is why I want one. I keep toying with the Kawa 250 or others but the Tdub is where I keep returning.
Hola y GRACIAS! I´m from Cuba and i have 7 years of careers and i thank god that internet and youtube finally arrived to my country so i could check this piece of advices you give and i definitly need it so bad, thanks daniel, thanks a lot, thanks from the depth of my needs to be a bether photographer and a bether person. People like you only appear... 10 or 13 times on a life time, and honestly, people dont tend to pay attention anymore like you say, to the people that have something smart to say, Love you men, hugs from the land of sugar cain, havana club rum and salsa maniac people VIVA LA REVOLUCION! haha
Que honda! mucho gusto. A lot of good photography coming out of Cuba. So, keep practicing!
One of the best yet!
So many things I would say are 100%. I retired a year ago and I almost have all the same feelings..
Always learn. Even when working every Xmas I would buy a book about something I had no idea about, Roman history, Geology, Politics, just learn something that seems very off topic. You'll be amazed how much you can apply to very different topics.
Driving some where, even on the way to work, go a completely different way. Explore, there is always some thing new around the next corner.
Disconnect to really connect with what is important.
I also spent a lot of time on long flights. Same thing. Phone off computer off. Down time with service! Great prep for the next week!.
Yes, pick a subject and just go for it. That knowledge does have a way of coming back on you, in a good way. Flights are for letting the mind drift. And hot nuts.
@18:30 "I went to Public School man, don't mess with me." Classic line. Tough Skins, man I haven't heard that name in a long time, brought back some memories.
My skin is still exfoliated from wearing those pants.
Nice, straight talk
Lots of great advice, and wonderful story telling.
I’m not photographer, just an enthusiast, but I’ve seen that in my line of work. Say thank you, don’t be a jerk are two valuable advice in any field.
Now I’m getting if my phone...
Basic stuff but sometimes we need that reminder...
Thank you for all your help.
Man, I enjoy watching your videos and mostly find them good time investment, but this one, wow. The value you gave in here is rare jewel ! Much respect and I think the van vibe gets the best out of you...
Thank you, Dan! Your stuff is always helpful and thought provoking!!!
"Zero people asked me to do this video, and that's why I'm doing it." Classic. A sign of a fellow Gen Xer.
I'll never surrender to an algorythm
@@DANIELMILNOR505 "Spastic nerf bag" is a close second.
Thank you Dan for your great and entertaining content. You put a smile on my face.
Gift of the gab... well done.
Very helpful and extremely entertaining, especially the last bit. Well done.
Thank you for sharing Dan.
I watch this and feel like I'm there and you're talking to me. Holy shit that's some good advice.
I am! You Johan!
For the love of God stop complaining! Oh so true. I say it this way, “I have no excuse for not making great pictures.”
It's true.
So, I listened to this last night. This morning I wake up and reach for my phone and hear Dan’s voice saying, “Don’t do it!”. Curse you Milnor. So I put down the phone and grabbed my copy of Barbarian Days by William Finnegan and read that instead. A fine book for all you old surfers out there looking to relive those halcyon stoke-filled days of your youth.
OH man, I LOVED that book. Loved it. Watched Kissed by God doc last night.
As usual, high-quality video.
Love a DM video... wise words in there every time
Thank you!!!!! The story of the pants, so funny!! Cheers from Portugal!!!
I can't see how you get hate mail for your social media content. All of this has been so solid. Anyone paying attention to the likes/dislikes ratio and the comments can see that the truth really resonates. Nice job, again, Dan.
Ohhhhhh my friend. You would be amazed. When I killed my social accounts six or so years ago I got hate mail for two years. It's just what happens. I don't care much. I can be annoying because I don't like wasting time.
Fantastic video!
Truly hilarious, thank you !
Me encanta cuando hablas en español. Muy bien Daniel. Best video ever so far.
I would like to say something ! that chock many out there but it doesn't hurt to say thank you very much. I was just in touch with customer support and got a issue resolve. I said thank you so much have a great day and stay safe. This dude say no problem man and the same to you 😎😎😎😎
Good to hear. Right back at ya. Be safe, have fun, do good.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Thank you I do my best 😎😎😎
Damn, sounds like some kids missed kindergarten. That's where one learns to say please, thank you, be nice, etc. Sorry you had to write this.
Thanks for writing this.
Yes. Cookies and milk. Basic stuff.
You've done a lot of helpful videos, I think this is one of your best. THANKYOU!
Cool, glad you like.
I love this Daniel!! This is so good!! From a photographer from, Norway!!
Great post and thoughts Dan, thanks!
Good advice for anyone and especially if you’re in any kind of creative business.
Thanks... it was awesome
The best video I've seen to date. Real.
Just did v2....
Daniel, THANK YOU! Your words and work inspire me. You and I are of the same generation with maybe a year and one half or so difference between us, but one can never be too old to be reminded of and grounded by these truths. This wisdom spans many disciplines and industries. May you never hide your light.
Thanks Mark. Gotta stick together.
Well now, this is the best video of your's I have watched. Thank you.
Just a squirrel trying to find a nut.
Thank you Dan.
Between social media and watching kids all day (COVID school closures) my brain was mush. Highly agree with reading in the AM before the phone comes on. It's like cognitive therapy and I'm able to concentrate better now.
I have to use a Kindle though because much of my reading is while waiting for kids to fall asleep in the dark (backlit paper white is a godsend).
That's reason enough. And anything that gets you to read, ultimately, is good. I have a Kindle as well but only use it when traveling. There is something about paper that makes me brain feel at home.
I love you, Daniel, and all your public announcements.
Thanks Peter!
I enjoyed all of that.
Hey "LCD" (life Coach Dan). All points accurate. As for motorcycles, if you learn to ride-well...Safer than a bicycle. "Just one guy, one opinion." Mate! What about the classic: "Hey, now I know why tigers eat their young."
Are you gonna eat your fat?
Why did I not watch this sooner...I wish so many more people would adopt these "Milnor Rules" the world might be 11% better...The movie references along with the advice is amazing blend...
For every one of you I'm sure there are a dozen or more who would say I'm way off base. But if you can take something helpful then I did my job.
Thumbs up for just the movie references... Love it
Gracias Daniel!! Inspirador como siempre.
Muy amable amigo, gracias.
Thanks for this excellent talk. Cheers from Portugal
Thanks Portugal!
This is your best video so far, definitely (in my opinion obviously). And I also appreciated so much the "numero quattro" words.
En el futuro......una pelicula en espanol..........
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Aah sorry so it was Spanish "número cuatro", Italian it's kind of the same pronunciation.. I'm Italian. Not appreciated anymore. joaking.
Good mixture...healthy dose of tough love with some affirmation sprinkled in (just speaking for me personally). Thank you for helping us Dan.
Hearing the words "tough love" makes me laugh because of what anyone my age went through. Things that would have been instant firing now.
Love these videos Dan, thank you. They make me think, and question. Also, get the Rally. I've got the 250 and love mine! Think of all the tire videos you can make!
Man I want that bike. Any bike at this point.
Fantastic video, Dan! So much juice. Love the sarcasm.
Love me some sarcasm.
Loin cloths and woodland animals sounds amazing!
It's just a typical Tuesday here on the ranch.
Fascinating how the automated closed captioning skips right over "spastic." "This is called deer photgrapher" -- def not going to get you invited to the after after after after party. PS if I ever get anywhere with photography at all, it will be because of you, Dan Milnor.
You will get there, if you want to. But, the existential question is "Do you want to?" Me, I'm on the fence.
Has to be one of the best videos I have seen. So refreshing and informative!
I get lucky from time to time.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Looking forward to working my way through the channel. Thank you for providing some substance to the photography content available online.
Great video, hilarious stuff especially about the pants on fire.
my family loves that story too.
Second the hunting and gathering... except in my case, not in the yard but by the road picking blackberries. No regrets!
My favorite fruit...
Thanks for taking the trouble to put this video together for us, really great advice and so enjoy listening to some common sense. Maybe that's a part of the problem, "common", in my generation is no longer that common anymore. Thing is, it still works!...... for the most part anyway. Thanks again!
Common sense, common decency, we have a lot further to go......
Stripes! LOL! I absolutely love your videos!!!
John Candy. Dewey Oxburger. Shut up soldier!!
Epic.
Hey Dan, you mentioned learn about the Amazon. Well, I am, thanks to your suggestion. I'm reading "One River"... great book. I can't believe how interesting ethnobotany is. Actually, I never heard of that science before. Thanks again.
That guy is the best. His book about Mallory is a MUST.
Thank you.
Thank you very much. You are making grate job. I am sad I can't subscribe this channel more than ones :)
Thank you :)
Great advice Milner, there is always a after/after party, no matter what industry your trying to get into photography, sales, management or marketing...
Yep. The promised land. Unless you are me and don't like to be social.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 I taught it was the place to be for my job/career. Made it to one after/after party,and taught I made it. said to myself this is it? No thanks and never went to another one. Thanks again for the great advice apples to more than just photography...
Bro I’m going need a top 5 or 10 movie list you got a wide range of references. You can’t be a jerk and get work 💯
@BARON De FERLA facts
where to begin, so many....
Hey Dan, thanks. Well done! That's a fact, Jack.
If were were in Germany I'd have to make your bunk.
You were on form I’m this video Dan
Oh, and I’d just like to say THANK YOU for all the wisdom and advice you’re passing on ya big nerf bag.
I'll take that as a compliment. Nerf bag reporting for duty.
“Spastic Nerf Bag”! I’ll need to borrow that for my fifth graders!
another movie reference...
Thanks for sharing this, Dan. Even though I’m not a professional photographer (just a hobbyist) I can relate to everything you say. As for the motorcycle: go check out the Ducati Desert Sled!
Oh noooo...now I'm getting a bike for sure.
Hehe. Just a tip...
Hell, I wish you’d been our wedding photographer, because a) we’d have had fun and b) we’d have great photos
Always had fun. And my wife would be the first one on the dance floor.
This was very entertaining, thank you so much! Meanwhile, watching this on my mobile resting on my tummy while I am laying on my bed, i couldn't help but think "man, look how the zipper of my jacket extends the zipper of dan's jacket". I know this may not make sense, or may even be completely weird, but to me, it was a pleasant detail. :D
Zippers brings us all a little bit closer......
@@DANIELMILNOR505 double exposure overlapping
Mr Milnor, if you haven't read John Gray's "Straw Dogs," I highly recommend it. Also his latest, "Feline Philosophy." Enjoyed the talk. Like you said, these are stuff we should not have to think too hard about, and should be a reflexive part of our living. But it's still good to be reminded.
Always love book recs. Thank you. Endless options out there.
I never understood the whole 'free from film and processing costs' when digital came along...most photographers would add a 100% mark up to those costs, which you certainly couldn't with digital work!
You should have seem what happened in LA when clients found out they could shoot 40 rolls of 220 per day and spend LESS than shooting digital.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Ha Retouching houses, hiring of new dig equipment and I seem to remember that you could hire an operator with an Apple to download and process photos as you shot. And there was a big discussion about photographers charging for digital processing time. Initial we did...now we don't!
As soon as the planning for my workshop for spring of 2022 in Phoenix, AZ is finished, I will invite you and Sean Tucker for a live talk on stage.
My old stomping ground. Sounds fun.
Thank you!!!! 🙏🏻 How am I doing? Lol! 🤓 Wait, I think I see a resemblance. Love your blogs. Now I have to get off social media for a few weeks. See ya!
Will be like a rebirth
In a van down by the River!
Usted sabe de lo que esta hablando, Dan, hay que desconectar un poco de los medios sociales o nos volverán (más) locos
Claro. Es el diablo...
@@DANIELMILNOR505 absolutamente. El diablo de la publicidad ha invadido nuestras mentes, quiere nuestra atención constante. Tus videos son una gran inspiración, muchas gracias por compartirlos!
Virility. Yeah, I remember those days.
Distant memory, foggy, dusty.
“You might find yourself in a loin cloth”
Never a bad option. Less to wash.
my 2 Pence blar blar , left field ravings and not so serious rant ! :D
Think we are all just need to rebel against the consent onslaught of marketing and advertising campaigns and the consent automation and computerisation of everything and anything , photography is art after all , it should be the most manually purist thing we choose to do .. There isn't anything wrong with taking time and struggling in order to express our creativity or learn a skill for once we succeed the satisfaction we get is complete for that moment .. Digital automation and computerisation of photography is now is starting to spoil this for those of us who only photograph for pleasure and the love of it ..
long live film, the print and the darkroom and my only hope would be to make camera clubs or societies nicer more positive places to be and devoid of any unproductive criticism and negative practices and comments , I have a dream that camera clubs could once again rival online sites in regards to we were go to make and show negatives and prints and share processes and ideas were young and old can mix and be with one another, help one another , share ideas and collaborate in person in an unexclusive fully inclusive environment ...
Having bored you all with that blar blar , I would like to recommend some reading books that might help people on the their creative journeys
The practice of contemplative photography -Andy kart and Michael wood
The Zen of Creativity - John daido Lorri
Photography as a mediation - Torsten Andreas Hoffman
Tao of photography - Philippe l gross
Capturing mindfulness - Matthew Johnstone
the little book of Contemplative Photography - Howard Zehr
ZeN Camera -David Ulrich
here's to keeping analog and the old practices and traditional ways alive for as long as we can .. peace and motherfucking love y'all :D o and the hippies were right !! :D
H IGHLY
I NTELLIGENT
P ERSON
P URSING
I NTERNAL
E NLIGHTMENT
Wow, quite a list. Well done. Should could keep us busy for a while. I need a book about how to love Google Docs.
Everyone was a wedding photographer at one point lol.
Yes. It happens. Some find a home.
Lots of different types of photography. And it is alright to visit. You dont have to live there but might be interesting to visit.
Yup.
Okay can you do this film?
I’m shooting jpeg because the files coming straight out of these cameras are unreal. Work smarter.
I only shoot RAW. And clients I work with only want RAW. But everybody shoots for different reasons and has different needs. When I do doubles they are jpg.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 card 1 CF express type B gets raw and jpg, uhs-2 card in slot 2 gets jpg. Going to be getting a 2 TB card for slot 1 so I can just forget about it and leave my archiving for another day in the year 2344. Thanks for the geek chat.
Any circle that would accept me is one I don't want to join :-) I only attend before parties.
You are at the pre-party!
Only half way though this (doing it bite size sections) but thanks, and man the real photo world sounds shit overall to be honest.
At the moment going though photos to then sort to a website. In the back of my mind wondering why though as what do I want out of it, I’m a bankers mason (carve stone old buildings restoration). Wouldn’t mine adding photo prints sales to that as enjoy making and showing.
But I don’t know sounds like it is all I bit of a shit sort of world to get into. Any way nice one and go steady enjoy listening to your ideas and stuff get up too. Thanks Sam
Selling prints is a doable thing. I would keep your current job but adding in online sales isn't diffi
cult and if your work is good it can sell.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 yeah nothing to lose really just the time, wouldn’t stop my stone work is something also enjoy. So going to filter though my favourites and filter down again and add to a website and see how it goes. Nice one go steady
Invited or not, I'm willing you my ranch!
I'll take it!
Why are you in the van for so long...and thank you for the PSA.
Carmen....believe it or now, internet is an endangered species in my neighborhood so if I have any heavy lifting to do online I have to drive to get internet.......so, on a day where I have five or six calls for Blurb I have to be in the van the entire day.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Starlink?
I’m the kind of photographer that shows up to the after party uninvited, gets wasted and shits himself.
That is f&^&^% hilarious. I've seen that happen too. More than once.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 😂😂 i got sober 6 years ago, but in my late teens, early twenties, I was definitely that guy. I was like a wild dog
Honestly coming from the Music industry this is basically the same.
I hear the same thing....
The intro that killed 50 headphone users 😂🔊
Hot Nuts & Chill!
I didn't even know they served hot nuts in first class.
HOT NUTS!
Dan Milnor: so tough he could destroy Toughskins!
I'm just happy that someone knows what I'm talking about.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Pretty much the only pants I wore growing up!
“Slow down” from this man? ;-)
Do as I say, not as I do........
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Just saying, your "slow" is different than most.
Thanks Daniel! Great advice! Everyone has a road that has worked for them, and they're all slightly different. Here's a YT video I made describing what worked for me. Not the way, just a recommendation that's a little outside the box imo: czcams.com/video/sPpo9sLk1WQ/video.html
And none of this has anything to do with the technical side; gear, etc
Note to self: ToughSkins+Branding Iron/Flame=BAD
Petroleum pants, fire. Bad.
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Hmm. So I'm guessing my habit of rising early before my wife and watching Dan Milner's latest CZcams instalment doesn't fit your philosophy?
By the way, what is your favourite flavour of Tim Tam's?
John, i know that is a trick question. THEY ARE ALL MY FAVORITE.
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Correct answer😄
I think weed is legal in NM. Love the cabin fever. Drive your van around Aus
I would love to. Would also love to ride my bike around Oz.
What if you have a wife and can't go to the "After, After, Party"?
Take her along! Heck, those peeps might like her more than you. I know my wife is WAY more popular than I ever will be.