Ep208: Karmapa Tales - Naomi Levine 2
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- In this episode I am once again joined by Naomi Levine, author, under her birth name Norma Levine, of multiple books including ‘The Miraculous 16th Karmapa’, ‘A Quest For The Hidden Lands’, and ‘Chronicles of Love and Death: My Years With The Last Spiritual King of Bhutan’.
Naomi discusses her various publications about the Karmapas, focusing in particular on the lives and activities of the 16th and 17th of that line.
Naomi describes the magical powers and spiritual aura of the 16th Karmapa, recounts her own and others’ experiences of his supernatural potency, and recalls the process of compiling stories of his miraculous activities.
Naomi explores the controversies around the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje, including his recognition, escape from Tibet, interactions with the Tibetan government in exile, and various accusations in the media.
Naomi also speculates about the futures of both the Tibetan political cause and the Tibetan religious institutions after the death of the Dalai Lama.
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Topics Include:
00:00 - Intro
01:12 - 16th Karmapa’s miraculous powers
02:51 - Meeting the 16th Karmapa in England
05:08 - Apolitical
06:51 - Political intrigue and persecution of the Karmapas
09:02 - The 16th Karmapa’s freedom
10:13 - The controversy of the 17th Karmapas
11:50 - Escaping from Tibet but captured in Dharamsala
22:35 - Politics and Dharma
24:03 - The unravelling of the Tibet cause
26:23 - The future of Tibetan religion
28:56 - Did the Tibetan government In exile block the 17th Karma’s activities?
31:41 - The 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje’s current situation
34:11 - Compiling stories for ‘the book’
36:15 - A black hat ceremony story
43:18 - How did the Karmapa become so supernaturally powerful?
48:22 - Allegations against the 17th Karmapa
57:03 - The role of the 17th Karmapa in discovering the Shabdrung’s yangsi
01:07:52 - Separating personal religious practice from religious politics
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HH 17th Karmapa is a great beautiful being I have listened to many of his teaching many times his inner beauty is very clear 🍃🌹🍃
Thank you both for all of your conversations. They are both interesting and helpful🙏💗
XVI Karmapa interviews, lectures, poetry should be popularized.
Come for the stories. Stay for the wise counsel at the end. Thank you both🙏💗
Thank you - an excellent episode. I glimpsed some of what Naomi was talking about in the book Kingdoms Beyond the clouds by Jonathan Gregson when my eyes were opened to the "politics" surrounding the Dalai Lama.
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The Dali Lama a great being 🌹
Amazing, as usual Naomi! I deeply rejoice with your words and courage to touch in points that are so delicate and that everybody avoids! Congratulations :) Thank you so much Guru Viking for this amazing interviews ! _()_
I respect Naomi Levine (liked her book), and her devotion to her teacher is admirable. But at some point one must employ some critical thinking (not forbidden in Buddhism), as to why all these controversies around Karmapa Ogyen Trinley? Rape allegations, fraud allegations etc. Can it really all be blamed for the Chinese and Tibetan Government? Plus his own statements that he does not want to be Karmapa anymore (from NY some years ago)... maybe he was just an unfortunate ordinary child thrown into responsibilities and circumstances without his will? I guess time will show.
Absolutely. Guru Viking did a lousy job in combatting this sad little woman's fantasy about K17. Suggest GV be a little more informed when interviewing on this subject. Letting this "devotee" ramble on. Really? K17 is in hiding, just as Sogyal Lakar escaped by running to a country without extradition. The Sakyong? Were these predators really the magical beings as their worshipper believe?
It's very complicated and I try to explain it here. I can only think of the time I asked HH 17th Karmapa about the Shamar's activity and how it could be explained as bodhisattva activity. He said, 'There is an explanation but ordinary people won't be able to understand it.'
@@naomilevine2480 To me it is clear that OTD has been enthroned in order to serve the purposes of those who enthroned him. I believe him when he says he has no recollection of past lives as a Karmapa nor has he accomplished any of the achievements of the previous 16 Karmapas that he reads or hears about.. his disciples misinterpret this as humility - such a christian interpretation imo, as a Karmapa always has recollections of past lives, always accomplishes "extraordinary" skills (he mirrors every human's potential), and always has a diamond clarity about both. And it really becomes even more clear when he says "he is depressed".. If a Karmapa is depressed then what is this all about?..?🙈 I remember, after these statements made live, he met with TTD and they issued a common statement that the activity of Shamarpa has always been and always will be of the utmost importance and called ALL students to view Shamarpa's next reincarnation as the glue that will bring the lineage back together. This is what I am keeping re Shamarpa by OTD - the "'There is an explanation but ordinary people won't be able to understand it.'" is too vague, it is neither here nor there.. and of course the same can be said for Situpa etc.. this statement bears no gravity, it's a generalization that "fits all". I wish OTD the best and to recover from the immensely difficult life he was exposed to while he is clearly missing the development necessary (for such a role) from past lives. I wish for the activity to be united for the benefit of all beings.
I completely agree. To me it is clear that OTD has been enthroned in order to serve the purposes of those who enthroned him. I believe him when he says he has no recollection of past lives as a Karmapa nor has he accomplished any of the achievements of the previous 16 Karmapas that he reads or hears about.. his disciples misinterpret this as humility - such a christian interpretation imo, as a Karmapa always has recollections of past lives, always accomplishes "extraordinary" skills (he mirrors every human's potential), and always has a diamond clarity about both. And it really becomes even more clear when he says "he is depressed".. If a Karmapa is depressed then what is this all about?..?🙈 I remember, after these statements made live, he met with TTD and they issued a common statement that the activity of Shamarpa has always been and always will be of the utmost importance and called ALL students to view Shamarpa's next reincarnation as the glue that will bring the lineage back together. This is what I am keeping re Shamarpa by OTD - the "'There is an explanation but ordinary people won't be able to understand it.'" is too vague, it is neither here nor there.. and of course the same can be said for Situpa etc.. this statement bears no gravity, it's a generalization that "fits all". I wish OTD the best and to recover from the immensely difficult life he was exposed to while he is clearly missing the development necessary (for such a role) from past lives. I wish for the activity to be united for the benefit of all beings.
@@naomilevine2480 Further to my below comment, interested to know what your thoughts are on the latest joint statement -on dec 4th 2023, where OTD explicitly recognizes Shamarpa's invaluable activity and asks his students and everyone to do the same so that he and Shamar's student TTD both recognize the next incarnation of Shamarpa, uninterrupted by irrelevant parties.
To me, this statement seems clear as a super fine diamond, unlike the "ordinary people won't be able to understand it" one you mention above..
Appreciate your thoughts as you are someone very close to the history of the lineage. Thanks!
Very interesting indeed!
Here a Tricycle article:
Karmapa Case Discontinued
In the same month, a new initiative started mapping accounts of alleged abuse by the Tibetan Buddhist leader.
By Wendy Biddlecombe Agsar
NOV 18, 2022
According to New York State Supreme Court documents, in October 2022, former Buddhist nun Vikki Hui Xin Han voluntarily opted to discontinue what is known as a pre-action petition related to a potential civil case against Karma Triyana Dharmachakra Monastery, the North American home of the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje, and the Karma Kagyu Institute. Han had previously alleged that the Karmapa, one of two claimants to the title of the 17th Karmapa in the Karma Kagyu school of Tibetan Buddhism, had raped and impregnated her.
A civil case may be discontinued for a number of reasons, including a financial settlement between the parties. But the cause for the discontinuation of this action is not public, and it is not clear whether Han might later file a civil lawsuit.
Dr. Ann Olivarius, who represented Han in the proceedings, said in an email that she was “ethically barred” from commenting on the case or providing further information about the reason the action was withdrawn. Michael Murphy of Barclay Damon law firm, who represented Karma Triyana Dharmachakra Monastery, said in an email “we will not make any comment or respond to any questions on the matter.”
In June 2022, Han filed a petition saying she intended to seek damages and was trying to determine who was financially responsible or liable for physical injuries and emotional distress resulting from the Karmapa’s alleged assault. In response, the Karmapa’s lawyers filed with the court a list of the legal names of KTD’s board of directors and primary address. The voluntary dissolution of Han’s pre-action petition in October occurred several months after this exchange.
Han first filed a lawsuit against the Karmapa in May 2021 in Canadian court. Tricycle previously reported that Han alleges the Karmapa raped her while she was a nun on retreat at Karme Ling Retreat Center in Delhi, New York, in 2017. Han said she became pregnant during the nonconsensual encounter in her bedroom. At a private audience a month later, Han told the Karmapa she was pregnant, and though he denied responsibility, he gave her his phone number and email address, and Han said the two continued to communicate as a couple in a relationship until January 2019.
In the New York State proceedings, Han’s petition, filed in March 2022, alleges that Han was raped while on a 39-month monastic retreat at Karme Ling, and that the forcible act took place in the women’s quarters, where men are not allowed. The petition noted that the Karmapa “functioned outside these rules,” and that “staff, trainee nuns, and attendees in the women’s quarters would likely have seen him enter” Han’s room.
In an affidavit included in the court file, Lama Lodro Lhamo, KTD’s president and the monastery’s retreat master, wrote, “the Petitioner has made many false, defamatory, and damaging statements about KTD, its mission, and its operations. These claims seek to jeopardize the important work and mission of KTD.”
Documents filed by Han’s attorneys also show large deposits in her bank account in 2018 totalling approximately $800,000. According to Canadian court documents, Han gave birth to a girl in June 2018, and Han told the court she had received a total of $770,000 (Canadian) for the delivery and postpartum care, the first year of the child’s life, a wedding ring for Han, and a home.
The Karmapa has not publicly addressed the accusations by Han. His office did not respond to a request for comment.
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In the same month that the action was withdrawn, a new initiative, called Healing Our Sanghas, launched to address the “allegations of misconduct by the Karmapa and the silence surrounding it.” The site includes a timeline of allegations against the Karmapa and a function where practitioners can share their personal experiences, which are then mapped. The site currently includes accounts from anonymous users from around the world, including North America, Europe, southeast Asia, and Australia.
The project was initiated by a group of anonymous Karma Kagyu practitioners who partnered with Dr. Ann Gleig and Dr. Amy Langenberg, Buddhist scholars who are associated with the Religion and Sexual Abuse Project.
Gleig and Langenberg told Tricycle in a recent interview that they were approached by the group and decided to partner with them because their research “supports the aims of the project” and finds that the voices of those in embattled communities need to be amplified as a way to prevent further harm and trauma.
“We also spent a lot of time with this group of practitioners,” Langenberg said. “We did our due diligence on their motivations; it wasn’t like we just had one email exchange … we put a lot of thought and care into this.”
Gleig said that their advocacy of the project adds legitimacy to those who don’t want to be in the public eye, and also aligns with a feminist, post-colonial orientation in which “ethnographers give back to the communities they’re working with.”
Gleig and Langenberg said there are a number of initiatives connected to Healing Our Sanghas, including a forthcoming academic book and multidisciplinary workshops on abuse in religious communities.
Pointing to the Han case, Gleig and Langenberg said that they often hear testimonies from Karma Kagyu practitioners that allegations aren’t discussed openly in the sangha because of the idea that the “truth will come out when the court investigates it.”
“But when a case is settled out of court, under nondisclosure as a part of that, the truth doesn’t come out. That’s a problem,” Gleig said.
Though Healing Our Sanghas was specifically created for the Karma Kagyu community, Gleig and Langenberg said the organizers designed the website and project in a way that could be adapted by other religious communities.
“Ideally there would be structures in place on the community level, and people wouldn’t need to create anonymous websites,” Gleig said. “But right now, that’s just the sad reality of where we’re at.”
What about Dilgo Khyentse ? He was the Royal Family's Guru. I am not so sure that you are not too close to the Karme Kagyu political view. I love the Karmapa and aid I love Dilgo Khyentse. its is confusing. Met them both, Love them both
I don't speak for the Karma Kagyu but speak and write from personal experience. Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche was a great master undoubtedly. I didn't have tendrel (connection) with him but with the Karmapas.
I have had the good fortune to meet both the 16th and 17th Karmapas. They are wonderful. We live in a political world and can't avoid it. But the Dharma also lives within all of us and can be our refuge no matter what happens externally. Dharamsala and the Indian government were also very worried that the Chinese would send agents to kill HHK 17, and that is why they were so careful to keep him safe in Dharamsala, especially after the Chinese killed one geshe and all his students with him. It was surely difficult for a teenager to be in that situation, but he is out of it now and well-loved and cared for here. Even in Tibet, he would have had a closely guarded student life and been much restricted. The Chinese were interfering with his ability to get the teachings he needed for this life! They had already made several attempts to kill him since he was little, so it was a very serious and real danger both in Tibet, in D'sala, and here. It is hard to know exactly what is going on there because there is so much lying and slander and false stories among them. Tibetans say it is best to stay three valleys over from any monastery so that you avoid all that, but are still close enough to go for teachings when you can. As far as "Tibet disappears when His Holiness goes", I doubt that very, very much and totally disagree. HHDL has encouraged working with the Chinese so that all cruelties to the Tibetans will stop. He has also publically counseled Ling Rimpoche and HHK that they are to keep the Tibetans going into the future. In India, all the foundations have been built to keep a strong community going into the future. HHDL has said he tried to alleviate the strictures the Indian police put up around HHK, but they wouldn't listen to him, so HHDL felt he was helpless and couldn't do anything to help besides be sure HHK was safe, healthy, well-housed and well-educated for the time being. May the blessings of the lineage lamas strengthen all of us and our lamas and remove all obstacles to the good work of the Dharma kings and their sons and daughters. Its so incredible that we have had the amazing opportunity and incredible coincidences to meet such lamas in our lifetime! May we all hold fast to patience!
Thank you Guru Viking for bringing us such an amazing content. I truely believe in this lady......Although we grow up as Nyingma but my mom is Sakya and my dad is Kagyu. We considered Karmapa as a living Buddha. He is highly revered as of Dalai Lama, no less. So, I'm very sad to hear about the nasty conspiracy happened to the 16th and 17th Karmapa. Someone definately should investigate who is behind all of this....Tibetan government in exile have only interest in playing with power and money.....they don't represent the majority Tibetans, who are very faithful to the Buddha Dharma. Shame on the Tibetan government who led Our great 16th Karmapa fled to the West......they only want Gelupa on the top of all four schools. I guess they were very insecured by the power of Karmapa. I heard my mom also mentioned to me that basically the 17th Karmapa was imprisoned in Dharamsala just the same description from this lady. I don't know why, I hardly hear people talking about such events generally. But we all know people in power are playing this dirty politics. Even the 17th Karmapa mentioned, there is no point of coming back to India if it remain same as before.......Sad😢
Anyone know the name of the Dharma centre she mentioned at the beginning when she met the Karmapa
Karma Naro in the BLack Mts of Wales
I have noticed there are two karmapas what does Norma think about his ? I am not sure which one also she is talking here about thank you
I believe there is only one Karmapa, there has never been two who occupy the throne, though as HHDL says there can be many emanations.
Interesting! I was a bit disappointed by the story. Maybe there are better ones in the book. I loved, 'the miracle of love', for miraculous tales. She knows a lot of stuff but has that singular devotion that reminds me of an Adida disciple. But there is something truly inspiring about the Karmapa.
7.47 karmapa was at the court of kublai Khan. That time there was no country called china.
Thank god for zen buddhism where they train people to not believe a damn thing.
This woman is a deeply deluded superstitious fool.
tibetan buddhists at least the proper ones begin by studying indian logic thoroughly and practicing 6 hours of syllogistic debate 6 days a weeks in addition to studying pramana. this lady is perhaps not 'the best' example of a spokesperson for the tradition. also modern zen is a dead lineage. learn real teachings on emptiness from nalanda buddhism.
What does she mean the spiritual king of bhutan ? Spiritual king of bhutan , Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyel passed away in 1651 in Bhutan . After that there were civil wars in Bhutan for so long and people got tired of wars and appointed first King Ugyen Wangchuk . Whole bhutan people representative and monk body leaders signed to appoint him king. Religion and Political system is separate in Bhutan . Monks and nuns dont participate in Politics unlike tibetan monk. .
Historically the spiritual king was assassinated by the first hereditary monarch's successor in 1934. And thereafter continued to be assassinated as children when they reincarnated.
HM the Fourth King was recognized as Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyel in human form by HH Gyalsey Tulku Jigme Tenzin Wangpo when he was a small kid. Gyalsey told HM fourth king I used to sit on your lap and you used to touch your beard . You were a celibate monk before now you have wives and children I believe . The Gyalsey tulku of 16th century was successor of Zhabdrung Ngawang Namgyel as Zhabdrungs own son Sey Jambay Dorji passed away young . Gyalsey tulku was baby and sat on Zhabdrungs lap . He told about the past . HM 4 and 5 th King have both been recognized as Tulkus of Zhabdrung Rinpoche by High Lamas . HM K4 is also Guru Rinpoche in human form
Tibet cause is gone, I doubt her assumption. And so is her statement that the Tibetan government is hindering karmapa movement. I think she hasn't learned anything about Tibet and Tibetan through karmapa after all these years. And at least, I hope she has matured her spirituality.
The alleged role of the Tibetan government in exile in keeping Karmapa's movement restricted in Dharamshala, is completely wrong and incorrect. The CTA tried all means to convince the government of India to change its policy on Karmapa.
We have to leave politics out of Dharma. otherwise, it will confuse the students. We revere Karmapa as our guru. His Holiness the Dalai Lama has a completely seperate role. We pray His holiness and Karmapa to continue to appear for the sake of sentient beings and not for some person's emotional feelings. Buddhas know much better.
very likely, big changes for Tibetans ahead, but also big changes for the western Buddhists. Or at least for western Buddhist practitioners. Because if western Buddhists don't mature they will continue to be "religious" group - grasping for devotion made out of clouds of "Tibetan Buddhism" stories that exists nowhere but were a starting point rhetoric's of Tibetan monks to hook up westerners and hopefully made them a real practitioners that will rely on themselves-their own familiarity for the practice. PS And on 46:50 beautiful
I love to be "religious". What's your problem with being religious? I love Tibetan Buddhism.
@@Buddhist_Philosopher exactly that is my problem with annoying "religious" folks, especially when they are Buddhism "religious". I love Tibetans and Buddhists, but Tibetan Buddhists are annoying, especially western type
@@wiwidity Well, I like to hear that... It's no so bad after all. Who knows how annoying others find you...
Have a good day.
@@Buddhist_Philosopher There is nothing in me to annoy anybody.
@@wiwidity As J.P. Sarte said, "Hell is everybody else."
Good day 🙏
Hi guru viking ...would you believe Karmapa Thaye thinle dorjes son is the new Shamar Rinpoche ?
It is the newest "scoop" for me ! If Gelug dalai lama interfered in passed past ...now no one will interfere between Karmapa and Shamarpa (black and red crown holders)
do you know or not believe ?
Will Dalai Lama also invent a new Shamar candidate ??
...and does or can Tibetan politics or games get sicker ??
In which updated OUTDATED state are other humans, i ask !! Do they ask, not know ??
Comment sections under Buddhist videos can be so different like night and day opposites ! Remarkable !
or 16th karmapa was undisputed ! He did confront dalai lama also , claiming autonomy or did not sit well with dalai lama ! also 14th shamar recognized again, ban lifted !! or power chords play !! sticking together sticking it out, fot truth or honesty !!
DO the 4 schools of tibetan buddhism fight, control or complement each other ??)
Who can tell or what should they be doing ??
If they act in discord do they breech Buddhist teachings or not ??
Naomi is pseudo, half-baked, unconsciously sectarian. I don't think the previous Karmapa has ever told her any confidential lama stuff as he did with other rinpoches and lamas. She should delve into more books and testimonies to understand the previous Karmapa's deep reverence for the Dalai Lama. Naomi makes it sound like the Kagyupas and Gelugpas are still in discord.
Well all I can say is it sure is nice to know that there's Buddhism without karmapas and Dalai lama's and Rinpoches. You know there's something else that puzzles me ...here's this lady who has a Jewish name so she's from a Jewish background and she is chasing around these Tibetan deities and super siddhas . Has she ever looked into Jesus. ? What's wrong with Jesus as perfect guru? makes me question ,how one could have ever been a Christian and into Jesus as perfect guru then go from that frying pan into another one. When are people going to grow up?
Years and years running around in these confused "spiritual" circles here, and frankly I'm sick of it. Pretend people with fake reassembled identities flinging magic words at people and defending their position. I'm done man. I hope everyone wakes up and sees through the emperor's new clothes soon. Meditation's great- whatever this is is stupid.
@@ccl1195 She’s obviously just trying to capitalise on the spiritual hustle. It’s rampant these days, but really probably always has been. As long as there are desperate seekers, people like this lady will find dupes to dazzle.
You are just anticlerical. Lineage holders are fundamental for our yradition.
Hahahah wow ...three answers ...two pros one con ... what do i do now ? Of course you are part right , as GROWING UP means asking many questions , allowing answers also !!
Jesus as perfect guru , I found personally so inspiring ...and maybe you got a point there !! Even with me !!
From "one frying pan to another" was a most poignant picture or i congratulate you , most perfect !!
It even helped me to discern said frying pans and to discern my own jumping or jumpiness !! Fright !!
I did it years back being an avid Karma Kagyue follower, devotee or disciple apostle...or made me think twice thrice upteenth time analysis of myself !! (One lets go eventually or knows more than outsiders)
I have worked lived or breathed with Rinpoches (and its a wild show)
It is their job to break ill concepts or lies ...and not to confuse us with their own inconsistencies !!
Question is : When do they break an ill concept of ours (conditioning) or when do they have personal problems or private life ?
Fine lines have to be drawn .... and since i know some Rinpoches personally .... like anyone respecting privacy or intimacy and decency .... i am never allowed to breach any kindness of theirs or divulge useless info about them !!
Maybe one could say ... that disgruntled or disillusioned Christians do not much know about 3 baskets ...or seen problems of third basket may be elite show ! dalai lama karmapa, panchen lamas etc
If vajrayana is so superior or high view stance ... why does seeming problem occur ?
If Geshes and Khenpos are so studied why dare they not step in or bout logic ?
Geshes and Khenpos are both doctors of buddh philosophy from kagyue or gelug ...can they not confide or agree ??? (The battle continues ) throw in Dorje Shugden for measure ?? if you like !)
do not get me started ... ( i have assimilated many facts of Buddhism) ......
but i ask too many questions after another ......that no one ever answers (but me)
I can be thrilling to know or find ...or else make your life miserable !!
Do not bother to make life miserable or i tried be be kind tonight !!
or also its easier to become enlightened yourself than to decipher problems of others !! (or is also one)
I seem to be part happy or am currently somehow connected to Genduen Rinchen Rinpoche !! reincarnation of Genduenla of Dhagpo Kagyu Ling France !! I am no devotee //// but live my own life unto myself or may rejoin with some humans who happen to be Buddhists !!
(Real) Honest humans also do not need any religion to behave honest, but sometimes also religious folks happen to be a bit more honest than downright crooks !!
I hope you get the pun ...as how would you know a human being off the bat ??
We seem to have friendships beyond lifetimes or honesty rings true or through somehow !! FOr you or not ! You decide not me !!
and you also know and not me !!
The Shamarpa does not need to be brought back into the lineage, the false Karmapa and Tai Situ are the controversy begun by Chinese intervention. This will continue.
Lol I can't believe my previous sarcastic comment has been deleted. Apparently freedom of expression applies to westerners and not to us barbaric Asians descended from Genghi Khans . White supremacy much
both OTD and TTD have issued a common statement stating the utmost importance of Shamarpa's activity always in the past and future and they both are asking all their students to unite under the next reincarnation of Shamarpa. The student-teacher relationship of Karmapa and Shamarpa can not be dismissed in the tradition of Karma Kagyu lineage. The two are the expression of the same Mind.
That is the sad thing! If India wants Dharamsala back, Tibetans had nothing anymore... no old Tibet, no Dharamsala. Where can the People stay?? They need their own Land - new one - if it is only great as for example like Vaticano (44 Hektar = 0.44 qkm) it would be enough. You don't need a lot for a "State" ... only a room, own Flag, own Computer for registered people and own ID-Cards 😉
This is not the 17th Karmapa but a Chinese plant.
Yes you are American FBI so you would know . Please tell us more . Don't tell me two karmapas are transgender and use she /her pronouns .
I find it sad the degree to which the puritanical Christian belief that sexuality is inherently sinful/anti spiritual has so infected every other religion.
If I am not mistaken, the very name of the Karma sect of which Karmapa is the leader refers to sexual activity, karma mudra. Or am I wrong?
Of course, accepting that possibility might cause you to feel shame for your actions
Yes you are wrong. Karma is a Sanskrit term that means 'action', in Buddhism it means 'intentional action' that generates positive or negative results. Karmapa's name derives from that term and mean 'a man of action' or 'a man of Buddha activity'
@@jamesm5192 wow! What a reach, given that you have NO idea about who I am or what I have done, aside from making a comment you seem to find objectionable.
Kama is desire, hence Kama Sutra. Karma is karma! Yes you're right Dr Nida's book on consort yoga is called Karma Mudra. That's the only use of it I have seen.
@@davidsillars3181 my understanding is that the mahasiddhas demonstrated that ANY activity can serve to awaken- sex not excluded. Hence, “karma mudra” is part of the roster of practice.
Other cultures, historically, have suffered less from the spirit/flesh, mind/matter, puritan/prurient dichotomies than the western theological traditions have bequeathed us.
Kinda gossipy.