The Problem With White Pine Bonsai
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Join me as I learn from an important (and expensive) mistake with my Japanese White Pine bonsai. Whikte pine make such beautiful bonsai trees, and by looking at where they grow in teghir native environment we can learn some important lessons about how to care for them.
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With pines it can be crazy. For example, a year ago I decided to start a forest bonsai with 1 Korean pine and 4 local Scots pines (I live in Russia). This December the temperature dropped to - 40 C... All the 4 Russian pines died, but the Korean pine survived... Insane...
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I don’t have a white pine yet, but when I do, I will keep that in mind
They do make great trees and except for this one tree have been quite easy to look after.
I lost a couple of small JWPs in my early bonsai years and it led me to believe they were difficult and not a tree for me. It’s now clear that they,like your unfortunate tree, were planted in 100% Akadama and didn’t stand a chance. Far too water retentive. I tried again several years later in a much freer draining mix and I now find them one of the easiest pines.
I think there may well be something to that. 100% Akadama worries me 😀
Hello Jason, my only suggestion would be it was a root problem and that could be either a) Over-feeding them b) Over-watering them. Either case, as you say it's life is over and you move on. I have a very very old JWP that's grafted on Black Pine rootstock, it's an absolute beast of a tree. Last time I repotted, it was like concrete which probably meant it didn't receive as much water as it could have. That being said, I will have to probably drill some holes this year, to let it breathe again. Being also on Black Pine rootstock I was always lead to believe that wet winter we've had shouldn't have been much of a problem. It was just a bit damp wasn't it 🤣 Thank you for sharing though
Mine was solid clay from the akadama it was planted in from a UK nursery years ago! I lost one 7 years ago and it actually hurt a good bit as came from a professional nursery won't mention name's but when I took it out the pot to examine the akadama was loose looked new on top and the roots was just absolutely solid!
I'm in the U.S.(Dallas Texas), but I've been traveling for work for about 2 & 1/2 years now & collecting trees to make bonsai wherever I go. I finally found what's known as a "Blue Shag" Pine at a nursery in New Hampshire. I'm worried about messing with it because of all the difficulties I hear & read about with pines.
I'll take any specific pro tips anyone has on this type of Pinus strobus Blue shag.
It’s not one I have heard of. Perhaps others here can help.
I haven’t got any pines yet but definitely want some thank you for the information appreciate it
I’m definitely still learning with them.
@@TheBonsaiGarden I have recently lost a juniper think it was half dead when I got it
Do you any videos on how to keep spiders off trees etc ?
Thank you
It's too warm here for White Pines. And I have lost Mountain single-flush Pines before during times of heavy rain. It hurts some...
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This happened to one of mine about 7 years ago I'm in Scotland it was pretty much the exact same tree shape, size pot I got from Lee's Nursery along time ago! I have just paid alot for a new imported JWP from a private collection in the UK it's one of these thing's I just had to do as one of my favourite tree's! This has been a great video for anyone in the UK especially with white pine! They are such a beautiful species of pine, what feed are you using if you can share with me for your JWP? Maybe thanks I'm a new subscriber Scottish Bonsai was my old channel name people knew me as but seeing alot new channels appear on here great to see!
Thanks. I’m feeding with BioGold on all my trees.
3 years into my journey and I still tend to struggle with all pines.
I thought they were relatively easy until this one showed me otherwise.
Excellent quick video! Had the same experience and hoping my new ones fair better.
Fingers crossed!
My one and only WP dropped all its needles this year, however I have new candles on 80% od the tree, so fingers crossed and eyes on the rain forecast.
That sounds worrying but good news that you have new candles.
I've got 4 JWP.. a Yatsubusa variety "Catherine Elizabeth" that I've had since 2017. An 'Adcock's Dwarf', a Cork Bark, and a 'Hagoroma'. I've had 2 'Fukai' variety since 2017 but they both died during overwintering here in the Toronto Ontario area. I also have 3 saplings that I've grown from seed over the past few years. Two years ago I had 28 seedlings that sprouted. All but 2 died over that summer. They are very delicate on their own roots, which is why I value the 3 survivors. All my JWP overwinter outside with mulch piled up around the pots to reduce the freeze-thaw cycle. This past winter we had hardly any hard freezes, which was totally unusual. But they are all doing well.
Sounds like a great selection 👍
This seemed pretty fast downhill for one season of heavy rains... I suspect this pine had some pre existing issues that ended up manifesting as winter turned to spring but maybe if the soil wasn't draining the rains could have suffocated them. You usually run into issues like blight or needle cast first when they've been kept too wet and then that leads to the downward spiral. Good luck with the remaining troops.
I’m no expert so open to suggestions. When the needles started taking on the brownish hue it was downhill quite quickly.
Your drawing of the different elevations for different pine trees was informative. Makes it so much easier to remember the information. Sorry for your tree loss. Never easy to lose a tree, is it?
Glad that was useful for you Susan 👍
I only have one of them so far, a beautiful slender tree, purchased from Madam Bonsai. The tree is doing well so far, but this is my first Autumn/winter looking after it. Sorry that you lost your tree. Looked incredible:(. On the bright you just hit the 10 k goal, cheers to the next 10. Congratulations Jason
Must be a great tree if that’s where it came from - she is very talented.
Thanks for the comment on having hit 10k. Watch twenty people unsubscribe so it’s clutched away from me 😂
😂 ah no way, surely the viewership Will just keep growing.
I lost my oldest (white pine) tree this spring. I've had it since 2008. Was originally a 4 foot garden tree(glauca) that I cut down to a reasonable size. Its the only white pine I had so I'm particularly annoyed about it. I WAS looking forward to attempting some grafts onto the many young black pines I have.
Sorry to hear that, you must be gutted.
My sincerest sadness regarding your beautiful white pine. All of what you say is wise and true. However, with all things being equal, sometimes it comes down to genetics. I have 2 cedrus - both repotted last spring and thriving all summer. Same age (7 yrs from seed; same parent); overwintered beside each other, and put out into our horrible spring together this year. They are, however, genetically different. Right now, one tree is thriving, and the other may likely die. Maybe genetics affected the stored resources put on before winter, surviving the temperature and moisture swings, or pathogen asaults on the roots. Maybe the physiology or biochemistry of the roots and vasculature differed slightly - who knows. However, like you, I will study and find ways to help increase the odds next year. Much appreciation!
Could be a number of factors - in truth this one died and the ones immediately sat next to it in (almost) identical conditions did not. The soil composition was different on this one - which might ultimately account for its loss. It’s as much educated guess as anything else 🤗
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I have a shohin white pine which is the most weird tree that I have. I have it potted in a pumice and kiryu mix, watering it to a minimum, full sun and it's still never fully happy. Even after a repotting (maybe once every three to five years), it sheds all of it's needles and then starts to bud all over the place. It's a Pinus Parviflora " Kokonoe ". I live in the east of the Netherlands btw.
Thanks for sharing. 👍
Think I will need a miracle for this one to rebud 🤗😁
@@TheBonsaiGarden , At least the pot is still okay. ;)
It seems strange the tree passed away in the training pot with plenty of drainage holes 🪴🌳
Frost maybe 👍🌱
I moved it into that pot in the hope of saving it but to no avail.
It’s a shame you lost such a lovely tree, at the moment I don’t have any pines, I do have a spruce that seems to be doing well and is pushing buds.
It was a super little tree, just beginning to show results of me reworking and shaping it to lose what was a bit of a flat top look. Shame.
@@TheBonsaiGarden you can only do your best to give them the environment they need, gut nature doesn’t all ways play ball.
Always sad losing a tree. Was this white pine grafted on to a JBP trunk?
Yes I believe so
@@TheBonsaiGarden As you mention in the video the the JBP live naturally at lower altitude and are more tolerant to water. The tree technically a white pine, but it still has JBP roots.... Its interesting. I have a Shohin JWP grafted on JBP. Only had it a year and it has survived a wet Scottish winter so far.
You said this may give rise to some debate so here goes Although water can be a big issue it is important not to rule out a different root related issues. What did the roots look like when you explored them? In my experience, the browning off occurs over several years - which points to a problem a lot earlier than this years heavy rain. You may have inadvertantly purchased a pine that was already 'unwell'...the heavy rain just sped up the process a bit. Generally, I find White Pine to be very hardy and have left mine outside in UK winters without any issue. Great production as always Jason :)
There was no indication the tree was unwell over previous years, it was looking healthy until about February/March when it starters taking on a bronze colouration.
The roots are in quite a solid block of compacted Akadama which has broken down. Maybe my solution should have been to try and drill drainage holes through that instead to allow air and water through.
Notably it’s the only one of my white pines in what might have been pure Akadama.
Sorry you’ve lost a good tree Jason.
I bought a cheap white pine ( not particularly good) in November 2022. Tend to just cover it if there is heavy rain and keep the soil on the dryer side. Whilst not a great tree, it’s surviving. Location NE England
Probably similar climate as you must be relatively close. The smaller pines I have were relatively inexpensive and have just been nurtured over the past 4-5 years, slowly putting in growth. All looking healthy with flowers and candles - just this particular one has taken a sudden turn for the worse this year.
@@TheBonsaiGarden Yep pines are definitely long term projects
Glad the others are doing well and looking good