Does the West Want Ukraine To Win? (with Ben Tallis)
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Ben Tallis and I discuss western hesitancy and excessive caution.
Previous discussion with Ben: • Germany against Russia...
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0:00 - Introduction
2:15 - Support for Ukraine in the Democratic World
7:05 - Framing russia's invasion in different countries
15:00 - Where are the weapons?
19:30 - Fear of victory
30:30 - "The Middle Influence Trap"
41:15 - Connecting domestic and foreign policy
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Salva Ukraine….💙💛💙
Two weeks on, I’m just concerned at your absence? Hoping you and yours are all okay? I wish you the best of all things, my friend. Hope you won’t be MIA for too long? But, I wouldn’t want you to neglect important personal stuff either. Look forward to seeing you again, whenever you’re back. ✌️🇺🇦
Paul it's been 2 weeks where have you been!!?? 😢 miss your vlogs . Hope all is well with you 😁 Slava Ukraine 💙 💛 💪 🇺🇲
Hi Paul, where have you been mate? Getting a little quiet here
Okay. It’s been three weeks now and I’m officially getting worried about you, Paul. Are you Okay? Do you need any help? Even if that help simply comes in the form of distance? Maybe you need some space? Can you just get word to us? We think of you as potentially, “vulnerable,” to enemy influences? . . . I do, at least. Not knowing where you’re based or whether you work from a safe location, I am worrying for your safety, at least a bit. And you need to know that there are people out there willing to help, if you need it? Reach out, if you can?
This was an outstanding interview. As a conservative, I have felt so misunderstood by the left saying: Why don't you support Ukraine. I call myself a '"Reagan Republican" and I have been all in in support of Ukriane since day one. I wrote about Zelenskyy, then started on CZcams to provide updates. Thanks for this video!
Thank you so much, Paul. Slava Ukraine. 👍🇺🇦
Nazis 4 Ukraine!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul, thank you for supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦
Great conversation, thank you for supporting Ukraine, Paul, Ben! The RF will end up like the USSR, which should not surprise (or scare) anyone. Ukraine will win with the strong support of our friends and allies! Glory to the Heroes! 💛💙
Thank you Paul! Thanks everyone who supporting Ukraine!
Very informative! Thanks for helping us understand, Paul!
Great discussion! Thank you Paul and Ben!!
Victory, Freedom, Full Reparations, and all of Ukraine's Land for Ukraine, this includes Donbas and Crimea!
💙💛 WE STAND WITH UKRAINE 💙💛
Excellent discussion Ben is a pleasure to listen to
Thank you! It's a pleasure to listen to meaningful talks like that
Great work. The absolute priority is to get the stuff into Ukraine yesterday or sooner.
Thanks Paul & Ben.
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Yes hail our nazi brothers and sisters in the azov battalion in Ukraine
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Great stuff dude.....and slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
I check everyday for new uploads. Such a fantastic source
Paul, where are you? Is everything OK ?
We miss your videos...
Thank you for supporting Ukraine 🇺🇦 !!!
Thank you very much guys! Im from Poland and I really appreciate your excellent conversation about Poland, happy to know my favorite people gets it.
Thanks Paul and Ben. An iconic interview
That Ben Tallis speaks of the Rébuplicain party so proud of Reagan while De Santis does not see support for Ukraine as a part of his program to leave you stunned. And Trump is no longer reassuring. If there are Republics who have seen the importance of supporting Ukraine, the fringes of that party are far from Reagan.
De santis isn't a Regan republican
@@concernedrabbit9075 He isn't a Republican, he's a MAGAt, or if you insist, the Putin wing of the Republican party, not to be confused with what I'd consider actual Republicans from the Reagan era. A lot could be said about that, but I don't have unlimited time at the moment.
@@obstreperous1113 I would just call them opportunist corporate oligarchs. They don't believe in democracy, liberty or equality which founding ideas of western freedom. Happy implement more Draconian laws.
Thank you so much Paul and Ben! Spontaneous question:Is the fear of Ukraine's victory the fear of the success of Neo-idealism? The fear of a positive transformation of European society? It is an impression that opposition against a full commitment for Ukraine in Europe seems often to come from (national-conservative) people who are strongly rely on the "given order", the dinosaurs protecting the status quo as gate-keepers, as the council in Shymalan's movie The Village where the invented monster guarantees the status quo and the power of the village's rulers (with the difference that the monster is real), people who always fear the power of change, influential people often within Europe's old elites?
It’s been a while, Paul. Hope you are well? . . . Best wishes, my friend. ✌️🇺🇦
Send to Ukraine everything they need
No lol.
Great discussion !
20:07 American leadership is very important for all the free world and we hope and pray you will be strong guys, this is not easy for sure, but it soo needed..
the germans generally suffer from a "Stockholms syndrome". Do we still have a lot of russian lobbyists running around in Germany talking freely to civil servants and politicians? That is a challenge in the information war which we all know is a russian excellence. I would be a good idea for you to invite Sarah Wagenknecht here 😄
I’ve heard German ambivalence (especially from former East Germans) described as “Ostalgia.” A goodly number of left-leaning former West German leaders, including the current Chancellor, also grew up with some Soviet sympathies.
Pavlo, thank you!
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It’s an very interesting topic to open. For yrs Europe has been talking about the EU Army…but it really doesn’t sit Well with most people
Hura, here is Benjamin Tallis. So glad to see him.
Thank you
US has around 6,000 tanks sitting without any use , but they do not want to give any of those to Ukraine and will provide only few new tanks, which will be ready almost in one year from now. Very strange and sad.
Guys, do more videos like this.
Where your new videos at, Paul? We miss you
I do occasionally read the Spanish press being in the south of France.
Spain was a bit like Italy 10 years ago, not interested in anything really.
Recently they started shift to getting more getting involved. They engaged in France and Germany in a next gen fighter project. They getting involved in multi continental defence projects.
On this German French bond sounds so weird to me as someone in France. French regularly view Germans as there biggest political enemy.
France and Poland have actually been making attempts at bigger culture work together. It started with Poland helping out with French forest fires. Also France as the third largest defence manufacturer in the world Poland has an interest what France can sell them.
Also DeGaullist point of view is really out of favour with the population.
Italy isn't going to do anything. Ever. There getting even more self involved.
My argument to Polish people on LGBT that works is, Russia prides itself on its anti lgbt. Do want to be like Russians. There hatred of Russians outweighs there LGBT uncomfortableness.
Also France isn't about parties. It's about liking your local politician and what they stands for. Which to me is an idealist value. Coalition government is less realist I think but feel free to disagree.
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Love you both, you give hope, loved the energy, loved the content, all of it.
One thing: what about Biden? Does he want Ukraine to win? Or Is he full of fear of victory?
As fast as Spain and Germany for that matter the issue might be more pragmatic and tied to strategic economic calculus that heavily hinges on ruSSias energy. The ideology is the just a social blanket designed to conceal Spains and Germanys economic ambitions. In short Germany needs ruSSian energy for its heavy world class industry and Spain has invested into sea port oil transportation and oil refineries. These two countries still hope for (with much help from ruSSian propaganda) that they can normalize their relations with Putin at the expense of Ukrainian existence. That’s what driving the deer of victory . Just my 2 cents. Thank you for another awesome video Paul.
Russian energy has been cut off now. There isn’t any physical way to continue piping Russian gas to Europe.
Where is the polling you talked about. Please provide it. I have been like a lone voice crying in the wilderness that we Reagan Republicans are with Ukraine.
Reagan Republicans? I guess you support this- "Reagan Doctrine his administration promised aid and counterinsurgency assistance to right-wing repressive regimes, such as the Marcos dictatorship in the Philippines, the South African apartheid government, and the Hissène Habré dictatorship in Chad, as well as to guerrilla movements opposing governments linked to the Soviet Union, such as the Contras in Nicaragua, the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, and the UNITA in Angola.During the Soviet-Afghan War, Reagan deployed the CIA's Special Activities Division (SAD) Paramilitary Officers to train, equip, and lead the Mujahideen forces against the Soviet Army.Although the CIA (in general) and U.S. Congressman Charlie Wilson from Texas have received most of the attention, the key architect of this strategy was Michael G. Vickers, a young Paramilitary Officer.President Reagan's Covert Action program has been given credit for assisting in ending the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. When the Polish government suppressed the Solidarity movement in late 1981, Reagan imposed economic sanctions on the People's Republic of Poland."
Where are you? No videos have been posted lately.
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When you talk about Germany, you have to remember that they are not a homogeneous society. The divisions between East Germany and West Germany still exist with the east Germans still favoring Russia.
I have a question... what is the "method" part of this? Did your channel start focused on something aside from the ukraine invasion?
Informative conversation. Ukrainian natural resources may, in the end, define final views on Ukraine. Could be a real greed factor enhancement. There are, for an example, known gas and oil reserves that are second only to Norway in Europe, and most of the rest of vast possible fields have not even been explored. Russia, in it's time, had no need of new oil fields. One of the reasons that I think went into Putin's decision to invade. He obviously would like not to have been in competition for the European market with them, before he tanked his participation in that market. I think Putin would have preferred those reserves stay in the ground, rather than developed with help from the EU. They have other valuable natural resources as well of course, such as Graphite, heavy metals and various other industrial needs, but that one stands out to me as it applies to this conflict.
Fyi I checked you comment about Spain leopards. They were going to send 40. But apparently they have degraded in storage so need repairing. So they can only send 10 atm. Apparently there overhauling there mothballed tanks to be brought up to standards. All of them.
Thats just and excuse, there is a lot of push back from the left to send anything at all
😂Possibly the clowns that currently exist in the political and journalistic world enter, you Pablo Massaro are the great teacher. Congratulations
Also, a good comment about EU, that for majority of people EU means Germany and France, and coming back to Spanish external policy, which basically concludes of what Germany and France say and decide. Sadly.
Convincing everyone that Poland is a lesser or immature democracy was precisely part of French & German strategy to undermine EC Europe to dominate it for years.
And sadly, hearing you guys both speak it, proved it was very effective.
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Very interesting topic. Thanks to 75 years of American military suzerainty, Western Europe has indeed created its "garden". Now someone is trying to knock down the garden wall and Europe is being forced to change its comfortable mindset and to deal with realities not of its own volition.
Idk keep seeing people being uncomfortable with supplying arms etc. Only 3 countries that having issues are: the Swiss because they basically own weird tax evasion garden.
The Germans due to well such large number of issues.
Then there is Italy doing idk what. No one does. Italy on war is just a weird one.
France, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands etc all stepped up immediately to help. I can't think of anyone else which you'd consider western Europe bar the UK which is an oddity. But UK is helping too didn't really have any awkwardness to address.
@@murphy7801 Yes, they've stepped up, but as Paul said, it seems to be out of their comfort zone to supply enough for Ukraine to actually win. They are suppling weapons in the hope of stabilizing the situation without really upsetting the current order of things in Europe. Eastern Europeans see things differently. Perhaps now the Western Europeans are realizing that things will indeed change, so they want to make sure it's not a radical change (like Russia imploding).
Which by population is the majority of western Europe just helped no issues. I get fed up of Germans being weird equals Europe.
@@murphy7801 Like it or not, Germany is the most powerful member of the EU. Yes, Western Europe has stepped up supplied arms, but not enough to ensure a decisive victory for Ukraine. I believe that is Paul's point.
@@FeliceChiapperini again it sounds like your describing Germany. Not western Europe. Do actually speak to people from the Netherlands or France for example. Alot people France happily see Ukraine reach th gates of Moscow. Also Germans are cowards because stupid enough not to have nukes despite there size.
UK France are nuclear powers with ability to turn Moscow into a crater. They not scared. There's concernes about escalation.
I feel your frustration about this perceived fear of winning. Western leaders are trying to do too many things at once. Trying to beat Russia while trying to prevent a collapse of russia. You guys need to lead the way though. Your message should be focus on beating russia right now. There should be no other focus. Trying to manage the the failure or continuation of the Putin regime or the russian state is wasted effort.
I remain deeply frustrated by the US slow-walking support. And mystified. (I have been writing the same letters urging support for Ukraine since the Obama Administration, when the red line was javelins versus a Russian tank buildup and the US sent blankets). I was hoping you guys could peel open the mind of the Biden administration and hazard a guess. What is the basis of the delay? The only Americans clear eyed about the schedule, about what is needed, and getting on with it are a few (alleged) "Reagan" Republicans in the Senate and House. But they might as well be a third party. The actual Republican party is so whacko and lost that those people are ignored and will not get power back. With Biden as the final arbiter on what really happens now... who, what is holding this up? The excuses have gotten paper thin. If the US saw this war as existential, tied to the survival of the West, if someone was blowing up new York or Boston, does any sane person believe America would tolerate partial measures for a year before maybe getting the first Abrams out of storage????
Slava Ukraini!
In Poland all political forces support Ukraine with one exception: far-right party "Konfederacja", which is a mix of conservative/semi-facist/libertarian. Much more extreme then PiS party that governs in our country at the moment. That position of the parties from left (party "Razem" which resembles "Podemos") to right ("PiS" party which is a party covering wide spectrum of right ideas more or less like "Republicans" in US) shows that what matters is not only ideological stand but also the local context of the country. If you are neighbour of Russia you know what russian imperialism means and what are your interests. No matter if you are conservatist from Poland ot leftist from Sweden. I think the concept that only countries with liberal governments are credible and should be treated with rspect and attention is a mistake. Democracy means the freedom of choice. In Poland (and not only here) liberals screwed up and that is why conservatists rule. We should not suggest that freedom of choice should be limited only to liberals. I strongly disagree with it, even though I am not PiS supporter and I am absolutely against their anti-abortion, anti-lgbt and other conservative politics.
Well the delivery of tanks isn't something you can simply have UPS or other carrier deliver (unless it happens to be an aircraft carrier), but they are starting to arrive (or rather be sent). I watched another channel very recently where a Leopard armoured recovery vehicle being loaded on to Antonov A224 or A225 painted in Ukrainian colours. In that clip there was also a Leopard Tank being loaded into a Canadian C17 (and there isn't much room to the sides of the aircraft) so getting tanks to Ukraine is a bit of a logistics nightmare.
Move armor by rail or ship. And if everyone’s gonna dither about their Leopards say screw or & make Abrams the standard. Could cause some delays, yes, but America as A LOT of Abrams in our inventory. They won’t be of any use to us in Asia. Might as well use them for what they were intended for.
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Paul, what do you think, does West take a benefit from this war itself?
In my opinion the longer this goes on the longer Ukrainian children spend in Russian "Reeducation" camps
Would Germany fight if Russia invaded a NATO country? What if that NATO country was Germany? I'm not confident Germany would fight.
One of two things are happening, either Ukrainian logistics don't have the capacity to support the aid fast enough or the West is dragging it's feet due to stupidity or incompetency. The US has the capability to air transport thousands of IFV's and Tanks to Ukraine in one or two months but could they support and take them all?
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I'm sure if Russia invaded Germany the Germans would want help from other countries.
@MasaroMethod Revival of US Constitutional values with understanding of British and European contributions in an education format can help spread democratic values. I’m willing to commit enough money to make multi-language mailing and material to every US voter. We must talk about democracy and liberal values.
talking about deliveries. not exactly like e-commerce is it. The Bradleys were in Bremen Germany over a month ago. Where are they? Are Ukraine "just" building up for the great offensive?
We keep hearing about the Ukrainians being trained. Maybe they are but it's sure taking a long time.
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When Ukraine loses the war what will your show be about?
Ukraine
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Great video, as usual ...... but.... (nothing against Ben) I think you owe us an hour with Melaniya. 😁
I am afraid that the Dutch German want the cheap gas back
Not gonna happen. The pipelines are dead.
I think I can explain it: The further away from a war you are, the more altruistic you have to be to want to help which favours Liberalism so in North America, you have Liberals like Biden and Trudeau being the most supportive, but in Poland right next to the conflict, the right strongly supports Ukraine and the left sucks in places like France with Macron. Complete reverse. If you were also glued to the Syrian war, the same paradigm emerged over race. The more the little kids being harmed by the war look like our little kids, the more it pulls at your heart strings to see them hurt. Sadly, some people don't react the same when those kids don't look the same as them. Sad reality I came to grips with when the right wing in Canada went hard against helping Syrian refugees. I remember Clinton was getting attacked by the far-left and the right for wanting to restrict the airspace with a no fly zone to stop the bombing. At least she wanted to do something. I'll never forget that. Same with Trump's child separation. The ICC should go after him next to make an example to show Putin what happens to people who do that.
You're blaming Trump for laws that preceeded him, right? Sure, Trump should have done something about the laws but having children in adult prisons was not an option, right? Am I missing something?
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In Spain there is a lot of far left movements who are against sending any weapons to Ukraine and some of them are against NATO at all, and they are augmenting this that people are dying because of the weapons bla bla bla, "peace talks" and all this kind of BS. Also, there are a lot of those privileged kids who think of USSR as it was something beautiful and right 🤮 You can find bunches of hammer and sickle graffities on the walls and lefty events with Lenin on the poster 🤦♀ which is for me as Ukrainian is offensive. Those people have never lived through USSR and don't know what Ukrainians are suffering everyday, and they dare to say to us that we should defend ourselves with our bare asses?
Great conversation. However, you've both fallen into the same trap that you (rightfully) identify Germany and France of having fallen into: persisting with a dated mindset. You focus far too much on the significance of France and Germany within the EU. Yes, these two countries regard their positions in Europe in the way you describe. However, that isn't a view shared by other countries within Europe. The mismanagement of the Eurozone crisis completely shredded that notion outside of France and Germany. This is true in Italy and Greece but spectacularly true in Spain and Portugal (where I live). Gloating comments recently from a Spanish minister about Germany living beyond its means with regard to energy security (where Spain and Portugal have been much more strategically astute) is a case in point. There's a feeling around the European periphery that, while valued, France and Germany are frequently slow learners. Be it on the Eurozone crisis or the invasion of Ukraine. While innovation is now frequently happening within Europe but outside of these two countries.
France and (particularly) Germany are now often seen to be a dragging anchor on positive change rather than drivers of European security and economic development. The very public stagnation of the Franco-German 6th generation fighter programme has almost been a metaphor for the problems these 2 countries create for Europe. As has their slowness to fully grasp the significance of this crisis. The irony of this is that Eastern and Southern European countries have much in common these days in their frustrations with the "old" centres of political power in the EU.
And both Eastern and Southern European countries have, over the last decade as a result of 3 crises, found much greater confidence and certainty in their own voices. France and Germany have frequently been proved to be wrong or complacent. Yet both are still valued in other ways. So there is balance and more sophistication to these relationships. Power definitely has shifted away from France and Germany to the periphery, although this is nuanced, with no one country framing itself as the new epicentre of any aspect of policy in Europe or bringing such unhelpful national egos to the table. The Nordics, the Eastern Europeans and the Southern Europeans are each distinct and now noticeable counterweights to the Franco-German influence within the European Union.
The issue with tanks, etc, is definitely a problem. But European public opinion has been the driver behind the pressure to supply Ukraine rather than politicians. Politicians are pushed from the back rather than leading from the front. A very complacent and conservative diplomatic community (in both the EU and the US, as well as some military leaders in both) is constantly cautioning politicians against doing anything "too rash". Hence all the talk of "all wars are ended through negotiated settlement", which is in their comfort zone. Their misguided focus is treating this as their desirable outcome rather than genuine security, which because it involves more unknowns and greater risks, isn't within their comfort zone at all. There's definitely group think going on and a sense of "hiding in the middle of the flock". Nobody, including Biden, is really stepping up. The Poles, despite appearances, don't currently fall into that category either. And they do far more on this front than anyone else bar the Baltics.
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Yes God bless our Nazi brothers and sisters in the Azov battalion
It’s interesting that by by liberal agenda you don’t mean only classically liberal agenda. You mean pushing the agenda of the American left. E.g., you suggest pro life stance is not liberal. The lgbtq agenda is often very much at odds as well. When we have people being arrested for simply expressing their views in Europe. Many people here in the states and elsewhere see that as a dangerous stripping of classical liberalism. When Europeans take office that do not believe people should be arrested for expressing their views you guys seem surprised they are not fascists and support Ukraine when it is attacked by a dictatorship. It is not surprising to me.
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You’re actually a congressional aid 🤦♂️
Stop saying War Fatigue and instead say Will the West betray ukraine, or will the West giveup? The West won't like seeing their names linked to the words "loser" and "quiters."
For some reason the most democratic states in US have the highest level of crime, homeless, people are leaving CA and NY.
Orban made a deal with Putler to get a chunk of Ukraine--Zakarpatia!--And perhaps Transylvania if RuZZia then goes into Romania through Moldova!
You gonna delete all your videos and tweets in 6-12 months. The amount of cope is unreal
What?
@@toby9999 are you unable to read English?
Thank you