Why Lee-Enfield Rimjams Are Not A Big Deal
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2017
- So, like, rimmed ammo is a massive systematic problem, and weren't the British so stupid for keeping it around for so long, eh? I mean, it's bound to inevitably cause rimjams like every time you reload cos a rim will catch behind another rim, how massively stupid is that? Cos Mosin-Nagants with iffy interruptors do that, and they're with rimmed ammo, so that must be the same with Lee-Enfields too, right? Oh, and apparently Americans call it "rimlock"...
What, you mean that actually that's not an issue in any serious manner? That they dealt with it with engineering? Who knew?
Explains rather why the British army never bothered to get rid of .303 post-ww1 and waited for the adoption of a self-loader post WW2. - Sport
It's almost as if the people who designed it knew what they where doing...
Because they did
yeup, evne though the lee rifles where an american designer though used pretty much exclusively by the britishso credit where due, americans made my favourite rifle, the no.4 Lee-Enfield
@@osmacar5331 Yes, although James Paris Lee was a British born (Scotland) American.
I hadn't realised the Garand was invented by a Canadian until fairly recently.
@@osmacar5331 I believe the "Lee" part was just the rifling.
@@JohnyG29 'Lee' was/is the action, 'Enfield' is the rifling type coming from RSAF Enfield
"Local man proves his point 732 times"
"here's Tom with the weather"
"IT'S RAININ .303"
Rimjam doesn't sound like something I want on my toast!
This pun wouldn't exist if you just called it rim lock.
It's be more like Nutella
From Germany
AYEE ACCEPT IT!!
IM EATING, YOU FUCK
I've never liked using stripper clips for my No.1 Mk.3* because the first time I tried to use them, they didn't feed easily into the magazine. I went to the range today and tried again using what I learned from this video confident that they would again be frustrating to use. I was WRONG! I couldn't believe how well they worked. Thanks Bloke! I thought there was something wrong with the magazine. Turns out the problem was me not using them properly.
Rimjam
You wont believe the arguments I've had over this exact point, over the decades. Properly engineered equipment will not fail nearly as often as improperly trained personnel. But now days it seems blaming the tool takes responsibility off of the tradesman. Great video. Thank you.
Douglas McNeil - Nicely put.
US is liturgic- they blame companies over people.
The thing with weapons is that anything that is prone to cause problems with improperly trained personnel is best left out, during wars or stuff you'll have a lot of untrained chaps shooting weapons. And if you're gonna have them shooting ammo that is more prone to get jammed because reasons, then don't get angry when they do actually jam their guns.
My whole thing is how inrange bashes on the enfield system. When ever they see it break it’s like, “oh the enfield is crap”. But in my watching their channel there hasn’t been a single rifle they’ve used that hasn’t had a malfunction.
@@Ben_not_10 yeah, somehow they manage to mess up whatever guns they get their hands on usually. I've noticed this too.
*When I'm talking about rim-lock in my Mosin*
Some guy: "No man, Mosin's have interupters that prevent that from happening. You must be thinking of the Lee Enfield."
...Like someone can get the two rifles mixed up???
Wut? They both got the thingy that sticks out the bottom, it's too confusing /s
Yeah, the interrupter on my 1928 never helped. That bitch would rimlock 2 of 5 times with clips, consistently
Bloke on the Range Right. The only Mosin interrupters that actually do work are the M39 interrupters, in my experiences.
Tangero My 1939 Tula WILL rimlock every time the top round is behind the round under it. The interrupter virtually doesn't even exist lol
it needs to be adjusted a bit....my 35 izzy does the same shit
just be SUPER careful or you might need a new 2 dollar part......i tried to bend the "tab" and it just broke off
use heat....get her damn hot and then bend it
you can also just try to bend the actual spring to get more tension on it
they do work....but they just need to be adjusted.
I was kind of hoping you would slip up and say "rimjob" instead of "rimjam". You didn't but the video was still great!
i mean, if you ask nicely he may give one
Lmao, the subtitles got it mixed up quite a bit!
After 55 years of using my Enfield I started having feed problems and your video corrected the problem. Thank you.
Just the fifty-five years then?
As a Mauser Person this is the First Time I have actually ever heard of such a Thing as a Rim Jam.
Having lost my Ignorance, I will continue my disinterest in the Topic nonetheless.
Why did I watch it through? The Entertainment Value of a Happy Man and his Rifle going out on a Mythbust.
try shooting one, you may be pleasantly surprised. As I probably would be with your Mauser....
“We’re going on a Mythbust…we’re gonna bust a big one!”
I've not fired a Lee-Enfield since I was 18. Just short of half-century. Nor - although I fired the weapon frequently from the age of 14 - was I ever really taught to hit anything with it. Nevertheless, Bloke's child-like glee at the magnificence, the slick near-perfection, of the weapon and all its elements chimes with me. 30 years of regular soldiering with SLR and SA80 later: they were just tools. The Lee Enfield - that's a work of art. A thing of beauty - right down to the geometry of the mag and the rims 💖
I wish from a historian aspect, you'd gain a lot more attention on CZcams. As other folks by the likes of Lindybeige, Hickok45. You rightfully deserve every like and view you get, you charming brit you.
Tbh I thought Lindybeige and bloke were the same person for awhile
@@alannguyen2221 they have done a couple of joint videos.
Your excitement over that last rim jam was hilarious haha
I am so glad to know that I'm not the only person that calls it a Moist Nugget
I had never heard that name for a Mosin-Nagant before :P I can honestly say it made me laugh :P
Or the Moisty Nugat?
Your thoughts are truly blessed
I'm glad you chaps did a video about this. I get tired of hearing people drone on about the Enfield being inferior because of rimmed cartridge . They were used for over 60 years in Military service so it must not be that bad!
MrHondaguy1 I think that they were used for a lot longer than 60 years, actually. TFBTV did a video on the L42A1, a Lee Enfield rechambered for .308, that stayed in service with the British until the 90's. The Lee-Enfield action is just a kickass action :D
The 'they were used for 60 years' argument unfortunately doesn't hold water, many armies have these boneheaded tendencies to hang on to inferior materiel, particularly if subject to Not Invented Here syndrome and acquisition by committee.
MrHondaguy1 still used by canadian rangers until last year, when a new rifle was adopted.
Some Dude.. there was no new rifle adopted.
they are still using #4's as it would of been to costly to come up with a gun a rugged, reliable and accurate and cost effective
being phased in by 2019, Colt Canada is making 6820 rifles on a $3200000 contract. One complaint with the #4 was lack of parts in particular different size butts to fit personnel. Would be cheaper to have some butts made. Clearly this contract is made to keep Colt Canada in business. The #4's still perform well. Still plenty of parts in the system for the #4. You really don't get $470 worth of extra ability in this new rifle, in fact other than being newly produced it has little to offer and we may find more faults once in active use.
Last night we played the rim jam drinking game on this video. My head hurts a lot this morning. Love this video.
Your genuine enthusiasm makes this very entertaining.
Great vid, I bought one of these at a gun show and the more I learn about it the more interesting it is. The magazine design is particularly cool and the leaf spring is a novelty to my more modern acquainted eyes
Very Informative. I think some of the folks on tftbtv need to be taught how to properly charge there Enfield clips and proper loading technique. Keep the good videos coming!!!
You know you've got a battle-winner when you have to scream "for heaven's sakes...jam!" at it.
It's always the little amazing things that really make me interested in guns. Stuff you wouldn't even notice until someone tells you about a design feature.
Most Awesome Video!!! I have been a lifelong Enfield fan here in Canada. Glad to see it finally explained and video'd in such a fantastic way. Excellent video Bloke on the Range!
Thanks for all your lee enfield videos, I just purchased my first Enfield, a 1945 no1 mk3 Lithgow, and your videos help me learn a lot about the use and functions of this rifle. Thanks a bunch!
Awesome video. Just bought a no4 mk1. Can't wait to pick it up and appreciate it.
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I had one happen to me yesterday on the range! Thanks for the tip!
It looks like a lot of subtle engineering went into making rimmed cartridges function in the SMLE box magazine. Also thanks for the info on staggering the cartridge rims in the stripper clips, I had never heard about that before.
subbed, you are amazingly entertaining to watch
Very, very helpful. Thank you sir.
Wow.......very good video! Very useful information. Thanks.
Three people with defective magazines have downvoted so far. Fix or replace your magazines if you're constantly getting rimjams.
Smelly or N. 4. magazines are notoriously fucking garbage lol I think idk.
@@Sheridan2LT they were originally designed to be disposable like modern box magazines, hence the flimsy and shit construction
@@3asianassassin That's astonishing. To make something so large, complex and subject to such tolerances but intend it to be discarded really defeats the point of making it.
That was from a time when a battery radio had to be powered with lead/lead oxide in sulphuric acid all contained in a glass jar.
@@3asianassassin that’s not true. They gave you one mag numbered to the gun. It was expected to be removed only when cleaning or clearing a jam. The mags were meant to be charged with two stripper clips. These were the times before removable magazines became popular. Lose a magazine=wayyy more money than a couple stripper clips.
@@DelGTAGrndrs when they were designed, they intended disposability. They used them as you described despite that because they couldn't produce magazines enough to actually do as they intended
Informative and entertaining!
Great video! I have a 1943 No1 Mk4 Savage made Enfield, and this works every time. One hell of a gun
You are the man, great video, never understood this till today. I was having a hard time believing that the Brits would produce something that really failed to fire that would have been an major issue.
Also, as noticed in this vid, people are too soft on their bolt actions these days, they are our expensive babies and we don't like to slam them, but as you have shown they need to be ruffed up a bit to become reliable.
Somebody should have told Sergei how to design a magazine around a rimmed cartridge. Because that "interrupter" doesn't like to work at all...
Inb4 somebody says that actually, Nagant designed the magazine.
I always thought it was nagant who made the magazine. Got a link?
KhanGirey Yeah, it's generally accepted that at least some elements of the magazine design were taken from Nagant's 1889 rifle. The interrupter being the main thing. Although the Russians deny Leon Nagant had anything to do with the final design.
I was just correcting myself lol
Works just fine
The interupter works in the same way that the bolt works. If it doesn't work, get a new bolt until the fit is actually right. My favorite feature of my Mosin is how some rounds are hard to close on, and need a dead blow hammer to open, I'm not joking, and I've seen the same issue happen to lots of people online with even matching serial Mosins. The solution is to just swap bolts until one works, at the price, fuck machining the bolt or chamber, just get another bolt and locking piece.
Sounds like the designers and engineers knew exactly what they were doing. Even if you gank it up a little, it straightens itself out. What could be better? Always wondered why the mag bottom was angled so sharply. Makes sense now. Great video
Great vid. I've found the biggest issues with the rim are the struggle to charge from the clips and feeding/jamming issues due to the front feed lips of the magazine. The fact that they cling the bullet and not the case causes variation with different projectiles. I've had to bend the feed lips with different ammo.
Good work mate thank you from Arizona
I learned something today!!! It’s a good day, thank you!
Was that a ping I heard from the charger? Inb4 "germans waited for the ping" comments
Except that the "ping" in this case means Tommy has reloaded his rifle and Jerry has to stay behind cover.
Jeff NME But now he knows how many rounds he has and can count!
@@SgtKOnyx Yes ,Tommy has 10 rounds in his gun. I have just 5.
@@timothyterrell1658 Though Tommy has got that big Emma Gee to get through
@@SgtKOnyx I hate to seem stupid ... But what is Emma gee?
Just a general tip for reloaders, I had really good luck with lead gas check bullets and "Trail Boss" powder. My 1914 Mk I had a marginal barrel and this load worked really well.
Great Video, had watched the first 5 minutes of the Video then pause...... go to my Enfield's (Have 4 of them. Including a Jungle), trying, adjusting, Little bending, Working on the Magazines and it really works!! (not 100% all the time but in 98% and that's enough in my opinion) Had tried it with multiple ways of loading the Stripper Clips and it works most of the time I try it. You sir got a abo from me. Great Chanel. It is great for me to get some tip's and tricks from other Enfield lovers/ collectors. Here in Austria (YAY we are Country Neighbors) the people are know something about Enfield's are Super Rare. Greetings from Austria
Another EXCELLENT Video Bloke, as usual.
Thank you.
NO THE ENFIELD ALWAYS RIMJAMS BECAUSE BRITS NEVER KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT FIREARMS REEEEEEEEE! USA USA USA!
Alright, did I get that out the way? Good. No one needs to post that now. Great vid, bloke.
Was Lee not an American?
And your M1 Garand was designed by Canadian.... Which is a Dominion of Britain.....
Except he became an American so hence wrong. But, who cares? Both the Enfield and the M1 are venerable weapons. Now to get my hands on a 1917 Enfield 30-06... *drools*
Still born and lived his early years in Canada, so hence the Canadian-American designation we can apply to Garand. But regardless, I am more annoyed that people don't say his name correctly...
I know how to say it: Garand! (-:
Hi, great video. I've just come across your channel via britishmuzzleloaders. Now I'm playing catch up on the rest of your videos 😂 keep up the great work, an thanks for the info.
If you have ever taken apart the magazine, you'll notice that the spring lifts at the front of the bullet case. This pushes the necks and bullet section up for the main lifting force, with just a bit at the base of the case, thus preventing jams, along with the fact that the mag is deeper at back.
My father had a No 4 while I was growing up, he was so happy with it, and did so well hunting with it I thought it was magic. I have it now and it still seems like magic. How I wish parts or entire rifles were still being made!
Great episode Thanks for Sharing
👍🤝😎
thanks for the insight, the Herter's (cabelas branded ammo) I used in the past is just a large rim, no chamfering at all, also the brass was wonky, even after neck sizing didn't have enough neck tension and needed annealing after two firings, out of box it is accurate but no luck in getting it to work with chargers in my pattern 14 enfield
Another good video, interestingly in 10 years of shooting my 2 No 4s i've never had a rim jam and never heard it mentioned at the range, my 303 Lee Enfield is a 43 Longbranch 2 groove and people slag it off for only having 2 groves but it is as accurate as my later 7.62 No 4.
Take a drink of beer every time he says "Rimjam."
Pinnacle of the development of the bolt action military rifle.
Great video
Good show! Jolly good show!
Briliant demonstration
Great video! Helped me answer many questions. Cheers
Yes, 3 downs, 2 ups. I still remember that from when I was a spotty army cadet.
I think you just like saying rim jam! But you answered a question I had about these rifles as I did create some rim jams with modern PPU or S&B ammo in both my Number 4 Mk 1 and my Number 5 if the chargers weren't loaded correctly or the rounds got out of the down up down up down sequence.
I was wondering, given the environment you were operating in WW1 or WW2 why have a rifle that can rim jam at all? I mean clips get dropped or stuffed hastily in pouches and the chance of a rim jam costing you your life seems to increase rapidly. But of course you just proved that 1 the rifles magazine is designed to sort this out and 2 even if it doesn't the ammo is designed to prevent a rim jam actually preventing you from chambering a round. Good old Military redundancy....
I thought I'd seen you down the docks, I ask as I used to work for a Pump company in Neunkirch :)
I just think of Commonwealth soldiers all shouting "POP!"
I see these videos all the time, I have a lee enfield no 1 mk3, and never had a jam yet
good tip on factory ammo chamfer , thanks , all my reloaded ammo barely has it, usually all I do is push down on the cartridges in the mag and it sorts it out most times, I'm considering chucking up all my .303 brass and cut a mil spec chamfer on them
Long time ago my father showed me a cartridge and the rim looked problematic.
Then I held it and realised how slippy it was. We had been at peace for over 10 years by then.
Thank you , I have a #4mkll made in 49 and have never had that problem. I simply never gave the magazine it's due. Again thank you sir
An ad played in the beginning of the video. The ad was a 30 sec ad from a "QRC Legacy"
Also nice video with a Lee-Enfield. :)
Thanks for the video.
Love your videos Bloke, you do a good job at showing people the truth, and do it with energy and enthusiasm!
I challenge someone to count how many times he says Rim Jam
47 times or approximately dead several times over if you made this a drinking game.
gfd sdsdfgfds well done lol
Shouldn't it, jam, in your mind?
Did he ever say “Rim jam”? I never heard him say it once.
All these Lee-Enfield videos just make me angry at myself for having a MkIII* hanging on the wall, that I have never fired. My grand-dad picked it up for his brother, who was with the local Norwegian resistance. Sadly, his brother said "fuck that noise" and stuck to his much more portable M1 Carbine :\ But hey, it meant the Enfield stayed in the family as a hunting rifle instead! A British-sponsored hunting rifle.
Good video, I'm learning a lot, to put to good use the day I actually DO fire the Enfield.
Mythricia just get some bullets and fire it.
It is addictive once you start
i've got a No. 4 MK I. My stepdad got it from a collector buddy of his. In fact, i JUST got some clips and a pouch that will hold 4 loaded clips.
It's a great rifle. Go shoot a piece of history.
Oh you are missing a great shooting experience. How true it is I can't say but I once heard it said that that your shoulder takes a force of about 9 tons to the square inch when you fire it. Yes I know that sounds brutal but the ergonomics of the rifle make it no more brutal than any other rifle of similar power. the FN FAL feels more vicious.
Well done you have put my mind to rest on an issue I didn't know was an issue to begin with. Reward yourself with a chocolate hobnob on me.
Cool info! I never had a rim lock problem on my Enfields, I guess this is why! Oh I do have a question though, I have a number of chargers and none of them work smoothly at all. Do you have any suggestions for me?
i enjoy you Enfield videos... many knock this gun but id trust my life to it any day.
ive had #4's, P.17's... love em.
taken many animals with my rifles.
trajectory aint lazer beam flat but i can still reach way out and touch something
Thank you for this video!
Otherwise i would still think the Enfield were not reliable.
I’ve got a 44 Lee Enfield,
We had a mad minute competition about 14 years ago.
I loaded 6 303 clips and made a right balls of it because I had loaded them wrong.
Great channel.😂😂
Rimlock is theoretical, but in practice, I do not think it is a big deal for Lee Enfield. There are a lot of LE in Canada and I have never seen one do it. Most LE are used as hunting rifles and the vast majority of owners have no idea it even exists. The force of the boot moving forward is enough to "clear" it I think.
magazine ang skipper clip both nice thanks for this video
wauw....this is a big help!!
Thanks, I have a collection and never knew this but have a bunch of MK7 on bandoleers
Enfield is a rifle designed for combat! Troops in the field do not baby this rifle in combat. The majority if not all of "rim jams" I've observed at ranges with Enfields are because inexperienced civilian shooters treat this rifle like a target rifle....gingerly trying to chamber rounds and oh so slowly ejecting rounds ostensibly to save brass for reloading which is understandable but that's not what the rifle was designed to be. It's comical sometimes to watch shooters struggle to chamber rounds on purpose built milsurp bolt actions combat rifles treating them like they're dainty objects that are going to break if you provide a little "oomph" when pushing the bolt forward. Very informative video....well done! Oomph away!
You are great fun and I've learned a lot,thanks,keep it up.
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God, you really love the Lee Enfield. I own a Mauser and I love it. We'll have to agree to disagree on which one is better.
from what i know mausers are more accurate see C&Rsenall for more info. but biggest difference is cock on close on Lee Enfields that make it faster to fire next shot on target.
I have 2 Mausers one is junk , the other is a very fine rifle. Very smooth, very reliable, accurate. can't expect better. More than a match for the Enfield.
Both my no1mk3 and no4mk1 easily tronce any Mauser in my collection and i even have a couple of very nice Swede's. No4 is sub 2moa shooting ppu ffs!
@@dunxy I would really like to be able to introduce you to a 98 that actually works.
Most don't. And just like the
Enfield, you have to practice using one to be any good with it. As for the ten round
magazine, I always wanted a trench magazine for 98. I never managed to find one, I know they made them. Not
many out there. probably all
In somebody's collection.
I really want to come over and fire the lee enfield now. It looks like a proper beaut of a rifle.
I've used that follower push down anytime I got a rim jam and your back in action.
You should meet Ian from forgotten weapons. That would be a good video.
They disagree about Lee Enfields
You made _me_ feel out of breath with this video
Well done chap...
Thank god someone addressed this i hope all Americans watch this and learn SMLE do not rimjam. i have used these rifles since i was 10 about 56 yrs and never had a rimjam.
I have a box of PPU ammo that rather than having a chamfer on the rim has a flange that has been left by the forming machine. I think an evening in front of the TV with a file is in order.
The main thing stopping Rimjam is the magazine, the feed lips hold tension on the front of the cartridge (when they are set up correctly) and there is enough sideways movement and little enough pressure on the rim of the cartridge that a jammed rim has enough play to feed past the one in front
What you said about modern ammo makes sense. I usually buy PPU or Herters .303 and it is damn near impossible to load my No.1 MKIII* with charger clips. Maybe my clips are just bad or I'm doing something wrong, but I have never had an issue when I load with 1 loose round at a time.
The rim diameter us off and the bevel isn't there so it's a pig with s&b and ppu
You should do a mad minute video
Gotta love that lee action
Owned and shot a No.4 for nearly 10 years now and I'd never thought to load them like that. I just overlapped them and then watched which way I put the clip in, and every now and then I'd get a jam if the rifle got bumped or I fat-fingered loading. Huh.
Hopefully I'll be getting some shooting in this coming week, so I'll be able to employ this new tidbit!
Just another reason why the Lee Enfield was (and is) the premier bolt action magazine fed rifle in the world - all you had to do was train the recruit how to shoot and clean the weapon and everything else was handled by the gun.
Almost done converting my No 4 FTR 55 made in late 42’ into a wartime (T) variant. I already have the MK32 II repro scope (with repro tin) and the last piece (Bren gun mount) that should be here Monday will complete all the parts. I’m forgoing for now the magazine sling type catch (by the trigger guard). I’m not looking for a precise conversion nor am I trying to fool anyone. This will be a family legacy rifle that my second son is already promised. I did get an NOS magazine, two different pig sticker bayonets and a nice NOS South African Bowie type. Speaking on bayonets I scored a really nice vintage one that fits a K98 and a VZ24. Also scored a fold away tripoint one I didn’t know until recently what it went on (mosin nagant).
Patton may have had it wrong The #4 was likely the best battle instrument ever built. Base on its longevity alone that may be the case.
The Americans built the best target rifle, the Germans the best hunting rifle the British brought a battle rifle.
1903 Mauser 98 and SMLE can be summed up that way
Hey Bloke and Chap, I have a question for you lads. Have you ever handled an SMLE chambered in .308? I was nosing around to check prices on SMLEs (likely my next rifle purchase) and saw there were some in .308, which would be a lot easier/cheaper to find here in the US. Any info you have on them would be great to know.
I am pondering getting an SMLE or a custom-forged sabre as my next big purchase, not sure which I want more. Maybe you can help with that decision too.
Thanks a bunch.
Put about thousand rounds through my smle no1 mk3 never had a rimlock.
Thows out double the lead than my k98k can
Dude! Chill out, yes of course I know same way I feel but sadly I dont have kind like that's one. I use ar-15 I tried put .223 steel in max but hard time push down by 10 round. So I did test use brass but very smooth. That's strange. I wish I had it like you use rifle but cost so great high than ar-15 or ak47. I'm prefer like old way but hard to find it. I like look at store and touch than online. That's great show!!!!!!!
PPU Ammunition, Privit Partisan, has the Chamfer on the back of the casing.
Ah, I live in the US, so I've had some trouble finding the proper brass. I've not had any problems with the Prvi stuff so far though, fingers crossed.
This guy really loves rim jamming