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90% of this is Linus trying to respond before Luke goes "BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE"
God it's annoying.
@@fifedog30 its not
it is. I hate when you tubers have this virtual meeting. the sound lag makes it like they are cutting each other all the time
@@fifedog30nope, its funny
Hahaha it really adds to the scale of how bad BSG fucked up
The best part about the new Tarkov mode is it's the only mode the people might actually casually play is locked behind the highest tier that no casual player is ever going to buy.
Yep. My ears perked up at "Tarkov co-op PVE mode". That's all I ever wanted out of Tarkov because I don't like the PvP.
I guess I won't need to reinstall it after all. Shame.
@@austinbaccus then look into the SPT mod because its far better than any official tarkov pve will ever be.
That was one of the craziest parts - how did they think that was going to make sense 😂
Yep, if the guy wasn't trying to scam his own playerbase the best possible move would be to make the Co-Op mode free and with the options of offline singleplayer. Let people get a taste for the game and then nudge them with the "hey, why don't you pay 60 bucks and play the REAL Tarkov with other people?".
Excellent point that I haven't heard anyone else make
It's not P2W it's a "Special military operation."
Special monetisation operation
What you said makes no sense I guess you're trying to make a funny because they're Russian? lol might be a special operation but Russia is still winning in Ukraine there is no chance for a Ukrainian victory
@@typical_tupolev3924 Beat me to it lmao
Hahahahahah, genius
Soooo bad but soooo good. Spot on !
"Offline coop progression servers are slammed" that certainly doesn't sound offline.
Yes but it’s not a public raid it’s a private raid. As an EOD owner I will not be upgrading but even you should know that it meant private.
@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jkthen they should say private and not OFFLINE
@@duhass is Lan wired or wireless?
@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk ah yes, there's the gaslighting with a question that has nothing to do with the definition of OFFLINE and PRIVATE
Edit: Do you know what LAN stands for? I don't think you do. Because it can be BOTH
Them arguing a "feature" is not a "dlc" is arguably more fucked up than 90% of the crap most of the slum lord devs have pulled in the last 10 years.
Gives real EA "they're not loot boxes, they're surprise mechanics" vibes
"slum lord PUBLISHERS..." There, I fixed it for you. The vast majority of the time, the publisher is the scummy one. Tarkov is a rare exception(like Blizzard) where the devs are part of the problem.
@@buzzfightbeer8023 Nitpicker here. The people actually developing the game -coding the code, creating the assets, magicing it all together- likely are pissed that their bosses boss has decided to do these things. That wasn't the idea of Michael the junior developer who (two weeks ago) was hyped he got to work on a game he likes, it's the idea a bunch of suits came up with.
at 1:00 luke says "offline PVE mode" , even in the tarkov community I make sure to say this alot, its not offline PVE mode, its a PVE co op mode, you can play with other people or alone but it is never OFFLINE, you allways need connection to the servers, it opens an instance in their server, so lets say you are having a shit internet and still want to play tarkov, that doesn't work you will lag because basicly what they are doing is opening a lobby but just letting you and your party in, its even worse then people actually think it is.
main reason is cause BSG don't want to reveal the loot pool on maps, thats why it's on their servers
@@irisazyre there is already SPT that generates everything in your own computer, tarkov feed all the information to your PC the minute you enter the lobby thats why radar hacks exist and will allways be undetectable, that is just an excuse somehow was spread, we already know how everything is generated. its already a problem that the loot inside a container is generated not when you open it but when the lobby is created. this is nothing new.
@@franciscohm7 im not defending it cause I also think that the entire situation is just pure BS, but that's just what I heard
@@franciscohm7 Nope radars get detected just fine dma's don't.
@@irisazyre The loot isn't server side, it's client side. That's why cheaters can see every item on the map.
I thought the word after 250 would be gigabyte, bit dollar. Wtf? This needs to kill the game and set a precedent.
Unfortunately it won't. Most Tarkov players are cucked by Nikita.
250GB size is just outrageous on its own, tho 250 doubloons on -nonDLC- is the work of the lucifer
@@Drinkyoghurtwhats nikita
@@cybervoid8442COO of battlestate games creators of escape from tarkov, he is also the lead dev of escape from tarkov.
@@DrinkyoghurtI ❤ Nikita
The majority of the gaming industry needs to give it's damn head a shake.
the industry isn't the problem, maximizing profits is one of their jobs, asides from making games. The problem lies in the gamers ourselves, that continue to support these games/companies.
@@Ootlandermaximizing profits is the only goal of a publicly traded company, nothing else matters & that is the problem. Gamers don’t even support a lot of the bs companies try to pull as shown by a lot of live service flops
while that’s true.. the fact that there should be consumer protections from this type of abusive behavior PRIOR to even being available to the consumer is more true.
@@Ootlander Despite all the money grabbing I think gaming is still the best value form of entertainment
@@anthonytitone The other issue is that publicly traded companies have investors who know NOTHING about the project/products and just want the money graph to go up continuously, most of these investors are older people over the age of 50-60 who are just trying to make more millions before they die for some reason.
It's a central greed issue, so many greedy people run the world and they are sucking the world dry of resources all while a death cult (climate extremists) wanders around making the youth think the world is ending.
The fact of the new package is not what upset us.
How they modified their website changing the verbiage used.
Adding so much post to win items and skills.
Then offering us the pve mode (which we should get automatically) for six months.
Then retracting and counter offering us the pve mode but we won’t get it until AFTER release.
Trust has been shattered. Relationship is over.
They lied, they tried to swindle us.
I’ve upgraded to the uninstalled edition. I’ve finally escaped from tarkov…
He did NOT apologize, he said "I am very sorry that fans and the game community in general are experiencing these feelings". Impressive levels of duchebaggery.
"We don't have server space for everyone who paid 100+ USD to play offline".
Not sure I've ever heard of a better example of why "always online" is STILL a bad idea.
19:35 not to long ago war thunder players tried boycotting war thunder and while they weren't entirely successful it managed to send a message gaijin entertainment who then made changes to the game which made it fun for the first time in years.
I feel like the only thing that really hurt gaijin were all the leaked military documents that got them investigated.
I started playing just after that, If I remember right they made it so the repair cost were lower across the board ?
The worst part is they didnt even get to the most egregious p2w part a radio that lets you call in backup from your friends list.
It's like paying to reserve an entire restaurant.
The Critic said it decades ago. "If the movie stinks, just don't go."
If the game is anti-consumer, just don't buy it!
I dont get too upset at game companies that do this (though it is frustratingly pathetic), I get more upset at consumers who continue to buy and normalize stuff like this.
People will still buy it.
I am of the opinion that everything wrong with gaming can be traced back to gamers just not giving a shit and incentivizing practices such as these by buying all the shit anyway.
Are you guilty of pre-ordering and then being upset with the quality, despite knowing it was a gamble? Did you preorder cyberpunk?
But a lot of people already bought the 150 dollar edition on the premise that they would get future content for free
Yeah, that's obvious, but it in no way solves the problem of the people who were sold access to all subsequent DLCs that will not include this DLC.
This isn't a situation where people are just buying a movie ticket and then continuing to watch a movie they hate over and over for some stupid reason, people were sold a movie ticket and they ripped the reel out mid flick and asked them to buy four more tickets to keep watching.
@pptemplar5840 correct, but as the situation changes in real time. BSG will make empty promises or bare minimum things to counter the hate and spam they're getting and will do the same thing again, lol. So it'll turn into exaxtly what OP said. Nikita knows he can push this bs cause he just has to find the sweet spot to appease people just enough and theyll eat this shit up
And this is why more people are playing older games, heck I'm playing my backlog on steam and other consoles.
Escape from Tarkov is older than a lot of games, it was released 7 years ago.
@@VitalVampyr Early Access
@@VitalVampyr It isn't released
@@moldyshishkabob If they're selling the game to the public it has been released.
@@zenmello7616 It would be if they would stop messing around trying to create a spin off of the game instead of fixing their games. I stopped playing live tarkov due to the matching times being 5-10 mins just to get into raid.
And yet they still haven’t fixed the hacker problem with people wall hacks, and flying around oh the irony
a feature that should have been in the base edition of tarkov, and they're charging $250 for it.
basically sums up modern tarkov.
Didn't even mention the Unheard Edition exclusive item that lets players from your friends list join you mid raid
That's ridiculous
yes thatts the main p2w aspect
@@Skrenja also the item that stops scavs shooting you
The uninstall bar was slowly going up as I watched this. I was starting to fall out of love with Tarkov, but this pushed me over.
12:13 it’s because they’re addicted they’ll keep buying even if they’re obviously getting screwed because it’s an addiction, a cope, an escape.
playing escape from tarkov means you're losing escape from escape from tarkov
The War Thunder boycott worked.
You should set up a monitor on a stand with Linus on it so Luke can look at it like normal
looks like they did a filmora for the Edge of Darkness edition. changed the wording making a past agreement void
They pulled a Unity. 😂
The price was just the match that lit the fire. The nerve, to attempt to force this down our throats, after THEY decided to use OUR money to fund a game (Arena,) that NO ONE asked for... before even finishing the game WE paid for... is CRAZY. There were so many ways they could've skinned this cat and they chose THE most brutal way lmao. All they had to do was admit Arena was a bust and ask for more moneh.
It's funny, EVE players rioted over the funding of other game ventures, which for the industry has been a pretty typical expectation. But EVE was already released for many years at that point. Now all these early-access games are trying to do that, and wondering why they're getting blow-back. Well, I mean they're pretending to be surprised by the blow-back, and pretending to care. Your last point sounds fantastic, but so many of these devs are completely divorced from humanity. I've seen so many projects do fantastic by treating their players like friends, you know, talking to them about your ups and downs. When they're struggling, they let us know. But this is rare, and what we're seeing here is the typical fake surprise and false emotions of a corporate construct attempting to mimic emotion.
"some games are like, you can drop in 6 months later, and fundamentally kind of know what you're doing"
Honestly, I was already thinking of Team Fortress 2 when Linus said this, even before the next sentence.
I miss those days video games were just for fun and not greed.
as the hobby grew to an industry, of course it was gonna attract gouls to corrupt it
The problem is that video games were for greed as far back as the fucking 70s and early 80s.
Yo grandpa calm down, there are at least 10 times as many games available nowadays that are just as fun for cheap, if u only play top cost big studio production games then its ur fault u dont know about other games.
And when was that exactly? Last I checked video games have always been about making profits since the days of Atari 2600
@@tazzjazz i do know about other games. most games i play are the old titles. i was speaking in a grand scale where companies are getting away for putting out half baked games filled with bloated microtransactions.
"Battlestate Games does not condone the community creating mods to have a feature that should be baked into the game already purchased." (Because we want to sell it to you for $400.00)
Helldivers 2 just said hold my beer and watch this
The Automatons have stopped Super Earth from launching more Super Destroyers. They have given a month for all Helldivers to bend to the whims, and give them our military intelligence, or get disconnected from Super Earth.
We will not stand for this. I’m doing my part, I’ve joined the Helldiver anti-PSN coalition called “Steam”.
ONLY YOU CAN STOP THE ENEMY AND CONTINUE THE SPEND OF DEMOCRACY!
The Helldivers are not to be fucked with.
I have some tarkov friends and they claim they bought EOD years ago and say they got their moneys worth for how much time they put in and are fine paying 250 (or 50$ upgrade Idfk). I keep telling them it’s a scam and they’re just smoking meth.
I don't know them but i'm fully agreed with them since i'm also had the eod pack and i fricking loving this game. Which actually makes me think about Nikita's words about true fans. Maybe he wasn't so wrong after all.
$250 is an absolute scam, lmao.
No1 is forcing any1 to buy, so no scam if u arent forced to
Borderlands 2 had this "buy this bundle and you get all the DLC" thing. then they put out more dlc after they did not include. It's the standard, not the acceptation, and it shouldn't be legal. Bethesda did this for the anniversary DLC bundle thing that had "all the creation club content"...then they put out more creation club content, guess what, not included.
Needs to not be legal. If there is an "all inclusive" bundle it needs to give you access to every damn pixel the game ever squeezes out for the rest of goddamn time.
I hate how Linus doesnt let Luke talk ... couldnt watch this clip to the end just because of this and as tarkov player Im invested in this topic .....
4k lmg clips looking crispy today
Linus really has no idea what hes talking about on this one.
How so?
This actually ist unheard of. I kinda fear it will only get worse from here on
No,, It's not like "players just lie down and take it", .. It's more like players bending over, asking for it.
yall are the experts on killing a reputation
I play tf2 once every 4 years.
I play it a few times a month, but only because I enjoy playing/catching up with my NZ'r gaming buddy. If he's not on, I don't play.
isn't Tarkov based off Andrei Tarkovsky movie Stalker, which was also turned into multiple video games before Tarkov, so i don't know where they are coming from saying other people ripped them off
Tarkov is based more off of the STALKER games derived from the movie, yes.
The entire Arena mode is a spritiual successor to the arena in STALKER Shadow of Chernobyl which appears in a HUB, this is why BSG/Nikita kept saying the Arena is a real world place you can go to with a trader associated wit hti, because the original idea they were copying was the same.
The only thing they've done different is a sprint-time aesthetic, no radiation and no magic/anomalies.
@@Rexhunterj STALKER GAMMA is amazing! It's a free (really, legally) version of a heavily modded map of all the STALKER games. I wonder how difficult it would be to set up a no anomalies version for Tarkov players.
I mean ripoff in this games is cause the gunsmith ui and weapondesign is nearly 1:1, gunsmith is totally the same but na its more like a clone which is more optimized cause it originally is a mobile game by tencent and thats why nikitais crying cause he knows that tencent will put in millions to DESTROY tarkov and get all their players
Let's gooo was waiting to hear them talk about this lol
technically the base game is also dlc
SpTarkov is the PERFECT mod if you want to enjoy Tarkov as a SP experience. No loading queue, much better perfomance, adjustable everything. Ive been playing for a while and its no more or less buggy either.
An indication of how big a deal this is, even Philip Defranco picked up the story 😂 Sad part is there are STILL going to be players shouting "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" waving their credit cards around 🤦
There is a recent early access game I found that is a tarkov style shooter that is solely PvE with Co-op called Incursion Red River, definitely worth a look if anyone wants that style of game without paying out the nose, the game is $16.99 US and is honestly a lot of fun and customizable for your loadouts.
16:57 we're no longer slipping down the slope. we're breaking limbs as we hit rocks on the way down the cliff side
"well have YOU ever tried to mail a box of weasels?" 😭😭😭
My friend bought it after day 2 and spent the next 22 hours playing. Yes the Tarkov players are that subservient. I literally told him "you are the problem" over and over and hes literally playing right now
Randy Pitchford also tried to play around with the definition of DLC in the past and in his case he was successful. Basically he claimed that BL3 would have no micro transitions, but when the game launched there were skins you could buy and since they weren't part of the main game's files and you would have to buy them outside the game and download them, technically they qualified as DLC which was his argument.
SPT mod fixed this game for myself and many gamers, crafted the game to my liking, finished the game to my satisfaction, shelved it. Now I wait for the full release, just as I wait for the Half-Life 3 release.
I'm not even a Tarkov player but it's refreshing to see common sense from any other gamer.
I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the game.
"Can gamers grow a backbone?" There's definitely some truth to this. But the timing is funny, as thr Helldivers 2 Community retaliated so hard against Sonny that they reversed their PSN requirement.
When new wipe is out, everyone will hop on again
Also, Fun fact, Luke. Gray Zone Warfare launched with the same slimy pay to win type deal. The enhanced editions of the game come with bigger storage and stuff.
There is 0 pay 2 win, i got the standard edition and there is 0 gamechanging payments compared to the standard
I’m really interested in this topic and wanted to hear Luke talk more, especially since he plays the game regularly
My favorite part is this is the perfect example of how when gamers complain about how the industry does something universally seen as bad, they’re still gonna buy it and therefore tell the industry that this is A-OK to do. Until you vote with your wallets, they aren’t gonna stop doing the thing that makes them money, *especially* the major publicly traded publishers. Anything they do that nets shareholders a return is what they’re gonna always do, so you need to prove that strategy to be terrible by resisting FOMO for half a bloody second.
11:45 This cannot be repeated enough...
The gamer community as a whole has become profoundly enabling to bad corporate behaviour. Nobody wants to not buy a game their friends might be playing because of corporate decisions... Hell, the majority don't even want to ditch Windows despite the new baked in advertising and general broken state because a couple games might be more difficult to run on Linux. It's straight up INSANE.
So I tried Grey Zone Warfare today and my potato can play Tarkov okay but not this game, the only way I could get decent frames was the dynamic res which made it look horrrible. Not really on them but I wont be able to play it until I decide I can upgrade.
I have never played Tarkov, but from a gamedev standpoint, adding a paid PvE offline mode will only split the playerbase. Right now the game is popular because no matter what you will always run into another player, but with games that split their playerbase like this, chance encounters become much more rare.
I bought EOD 6 years ago, they're letting you play PVE if you have EOD, my buddy had eod, and got access to pve. Neither of us have time to grind pvp anymore. I dropped the extra 50 to play PVE with my boys asap. I've got my money's worth
I'm so glad I still have the "not rightfully acquired" copy of the game.
The term Luke is searching for isn't "beta", it's "abuse victim".
The pattern of rewarding an abuser through continued loyalty isn't peculiar to gamers or the games industry -- it's a pattern in other forms of abuse too.
I started on the standard edition. It was so much more difficult to get anywhere. The inventory system sucks.
Edge of Darkness gives you a major advantage in economy which is basically progression. Max starting stash size, biggest pouch at start, more guns ammo gear.
Yet the max inventory is still too small and the system still sucks.
Still not even close to the cost of Saints Row IV "Super dangerous wad wad edition."
But that was pretty much a $1000000 pisstake...
Linus: "I don't think there's a scandal big enough to make gamers wake up"
Sony: "Hold my beer."
I spent €140 because I was promised I'd get all future content as well as have the best version of the game and that nothing else would replace it. Suddenly they decided to walk back on both of those promises. Refunds are tricky to get so long after a purchase, and the idiots buying the upgrade don't make BSG want to walk back on this. I hate modern gamers, literally no backbones or morals.
so for me i have the prepare to escape edition which is one edition below EOD and to unlock the PVE mode it would cost me £151.28 to upgrade just to unlock PVE
Brand new in Australia the edition is $440 AUD with tax,
The upgrade is something like 180 AUD from EOD.
Another note on the increased flea slots. Back around 2016 we used to have that many slots and they lowered it to hamper RMT farmers.
So BSG are making us pay to get back what we used to have.
Time for ghosts of tabor
12:21 this version could have that name on steam and it would still be bought
9:02 - "Offline co-op progression servers ... queue times."
These two things do not belong in a sentence together.
Tarkov has apparently made some announcement reversing course in some capacity but I don’t know any details
This is Wondershare Filmora's lifetime licence all over again
"No sleep Linus is a heck of thing." Don't you mean "Paint fumes Linus"?
"Have you ever tried to mail a box of weasels?" - Linus.
The fact that unheard players get to call in a helldiver is the most p2w thing.
I don't think the price is the issue. It's more that they introduced a new price tag for something people were expecting to receive for free. They probably could have set this at $5 and still gotten flack. Because the primary complaint is that a promise has been broken and trust has been lost
Have a standard account, considered upgrading to eod, for gamma but didnt cause i didnt play that much. Glad I didn't, gonna get a standard acc on grey zone soon (maybe) snd upgrade if I enjoy it
If they made it a standard mode for everybody, even the cheapest tier, they would have made way more money in the long run. Making the game more casual for those who just want an extraction shooter that’s offline. But now they price locked the average casual consumer from their game. Selling 10,000 copies of a 45 dollar game seems better than selling NO copies of a 250 dollar game.
“Fees and taxes are brutal”
Taxes obviously but what the *FUCK* are there fees for on a digital good ?!
As someone who has never played but heard about the news, I've been waiting to hear Luke's take. I havent had the time to watch or skim thru the live wan shows
It's funny how gamers been enslaved to a degree where no one even questions "always-online" requirement for PvE mode.
They really committed, with the staged laptop, mic and blowup doll😂. But then use non-LTT hoodie for the doll
People complain and then two weeks later, they forget about it because its fun. Welcome to weakness. As consumers we could EASILY make the market how we want and hold developers accountable by just having a spine and not buying into these games, but people do it anyways and well... here we are.
*damn, I typed this right before Linus said the exact same thing. lmao
6:30 - In a year, I pay 100 USD and get 96 games. - If you know what product that is, you probably have it as well.
That's the way it is with a niche game, you can't be supercritical about the game because there is this fear that the company who made it will abandon it
These days people get pissed if their game doesn't have horse armor they can buy.
I just can't.... Imagine locking the single MOST REQUESTED FEATURE behind a $250 paywall.
Kinda want to give Gray Zone a try, though I'm not sure I want to invest money in another game right at the start of it's early access.
How is there still so much latency between them talking if Linus' house and office both have gigachad internet?
Bought Tarkov years ago, maybe played it twice, that's it but the more videos I see about it the more i don't want to give it a shot again!
Anyone playing Tarkov after this is part of the problem, even streamers. Yes the streamers might be dependent on the game for income but that don't justify them encouraging bad devs to continue.
After a couple thousand hours played in Tarkov... I've had EOD since 2017... i un-installed it the second they announced Unheard. It's Gray Zone for me now
The struggle is what makes EFT fun and BSG is actively going against this by giving all of this shit to the Unhinged edition players that makes this struggle a cake walk.
that pause at 17:20 creeped me out lol
Its been proven BSG didnt do an "asset switch" for the record.
So many years and people are still trying to escape Tarkov
this is simply unheard off
9:24 mmmmmm bigger pockets
A lot of tarkov people moved to single player tarkov and project fika a coop tarkov mod for spt
I moved to SIT Coop because I had it downloaded from months ago, FIKA's site and Discord are unavailable most of the time right now.
They either rectify the situation THE RIGHT WAY or they should simply refund all EOD accounts to those who want since they're not fulfilling their side of the bargain.