As long as the over all crit value is decent i wouldn't stress over it, anything like 65% crit rate to 190% crit dmg is all u need, the min maxing is the true end game.
The thing is that eventually, you'll start piling resources with nothing to use them on. That's how all gachas usually go. At the start you feel dirt poor and your resources are stretched to their limits since there's many characters and weapons you wanna build, but as time goes on you'll be sitting on a bunch of them with maybe 1 new character every now and then to build. Take your time and enjoy the game, and focus on building only 2 good teams for now.
@@marupurusaivamsi4802 I mean not really? It's kinda similar with those; once you get those perfect/near-perfect sets, you start piling those as well (at least that's just my own experience, but then again I don't ever really minmax my artifacts in gachas so could be wrong)
My complaint for now is that grinding doesn't feel "fair", for a lack of better word as of late. I'm talking especially about the weapon material stages. At level 80 I think it's only fair to get a guaranteed gold material. I also see people complaining about how they get less echo EXP at the cost of getting premium tuners in union level 50. Definitely something to write about when the surveys come.
No need to wait for survey, just use in-game feedback system, they definitely read suggestions from there. I used it thrice and they addressed it in days (although they're small issues).
You can synthesize materials up in rarity pretty cheaply as it is. So it's considered to be guaranteed progression that just takes a bit of time. But for echoes, that's not the case due to the amount of luck needed, so it doesn't help they give you so little rolls despite the truly low chance of getting what you want.
Take your time, but I would really be interested in that PGR review^^ It's different than WuWa for sure. I would still say PGR has the superior combat, but the 3Ping system definitely requires more time to get into than the usual one skill button with cooldown xD
At AR50, you will really start to feel the Bottleneck of the Grind, in which 240 resins per day, aint doing sheet. Or lvling 70 to 80 characters and Stuffs. 8 "Gold" mats to level Weapons, but the Quality RNG they keep giving me is just "Blues and Greens" like how the frick do I catch up even from Overworld farming when the monsters are all 70-80 too?
especially if you want to get 3 teams for ToA. if you want 6 characters (at lvl 80) with all traces/level/weapon to max level, you need roughly 10 million. and you get very little credit besides the domain. it can take actually and entire day of of waveplates just to level 6->8 for 1 trace
Despite the fact being able to farm Echo is nice, the issues start to become appearance when you try to level up those Echo you farm because. One. You need EXP tube to level them up and not other Echo besides from Echo already level up, so you either let them sit in your inventory as waste space or fuse them. Two. Not being able to see the sub-stats straight away bring it the major issues of not knowing which Echo to throw away or use them to fuse because it exacerbate the issue of not knowing the thing you throw away are valuable. Like does this Echo have perfect Sub-stats role when I level it up. Three. Fusing have it own issues. 1: It's cost 5 echo for 1 guarantee plus "extra" if lucky. 2: You can't pick which set/echo cost the Fused Echo gonna be. 3: Exacerbate the issues I listed on the two above.
I am not gonna complain about the echoe system. Mainly because. 1. Compare to Genshin, it takes 2 months to AR 45 and it is not guarantee you to drop Golds at that AR, and when it does you can't say it's good enough. It takes me whole freaking 6 months to build hutao and it still mid. Wuthering wave is like 1 and a half month old, it is not gate keeping you from building a character starting UL 30 because even at UL1 you have access to Gold Echoes. I built 2 characters now with crit and crit rate within a month, I wouldn't complain because they're generous enough for not gaye keeping us with gearing system, the only thing that prevent us is if you're not a whale then we have to grind our ass off in TC and roam around the maps opening tidals and chest, and milk all exchange reward events. Building a character in Wuthering wave shouldn't be that painful, you only build 3 characters per team, you can literally swap echoes to other similar element and for supports there's only like 20% difference because some uses HP/DEf/Atk. The game set doesn't matter much as it stays that way but they may add later since we don't have defense set. What matter is the Echoe ability which comes mostly from 4-Cost echoe. 2. The game just have access to many contents, that's why I think we have an eager to finish it, but that's not how the game tells us to do, we are just manipulated by the whales who can able to clear all content and other dolphin/f2p/goldfish content creator who makes content, what worst is some CZcams content creator wanted to make content out of it like Holograms clearing/ToA. That's why they express their disappointment toward gearing system in Wuwa, that's sad.
I wouldn't stress over echoes personally, at least if you are a casual player. NOTHING in the game requires you to have those fine tuned echoes outside the Abyss equivalent and minmaxing is still faster here than Genshin where the artifact itself is just a months long gacha if you get what you want and if the right skills upgrade. Just by playing casually, never going out of my way to farm echoes and using the last double tacet field event to get fusion/havoc echoes, my Rover and Encore sits at a 60-70% crit rate and 180-200% crit dmg which is enough for pretty much anything. I don't count myself a good player, but even I killed every hologram Difficulty 5 with my lvl80 characters sub 3 minutes, which is the fair playing field. (Did lvl80 Crownless as well.) If you want to be sweaty about not getting the perfect minmaxed echoes... thaz's perfectly fair, but again, that's the end-endgame long haul thing to do, just like in Genshin. The game giving you fixed main stats and events give you selectable echo packs as well with the element you want is enough for casuals I feel. (That and wait for that craftable echo frequency chip, if the leaks are right. We are already getting stuff like the stamina storage in 1-2 version and addressed most problems people brought up in 1.0 before 1.1 even came out, so obviously they are listening, just like in PGR, but implementing and making things still takes time.)
Yeah it's pretty surprising how early you can clear the Holograms, considering they don't refresh, so it's only a one-time completion. I'm already done with them at UL47 so I only have ToA left until they add more end game.
@@Zer0Perplexity just like with Genshin, I don't think they add a new endgame for a long time here. But at least here you don't just have Abyss for 4 years, since we have Illusive Realm. And as far as that goes, all 3 patches so far are banger updates. 1.0 was a fun start, then they gave it a Scar theme with a DMC style meter and more extra stuff and in 1.2 we will have a full new theme for it again with completely new maps. Obviously it's not the hard endgame content many might want, but it is a continuously updated endgame content for every patch. Personally, if we get updated Illusive Realm every patch with new characters and gimmicks added and we will see if 1.2 add another hologram again, I think that's pretty good content wise beside the new main or character stories and events. The game is still too new to see what kind of direction they want to go with, but I think what we see for now for game modes (hologram, abyss-like, illusive realm) and Quality of Life that come (Data Bank 21 with guaranteed 5star echo for everything and balanced crafting/upgrading costs) or coming (stamina storage, the "we will see echo chip"), I think we are in a good spot for now. If PGR is anything to go by, which also had a bad disaster launch, they fixed it and add more and more good stuff the community appreciates, so I think we are in good hands.
@@ofanahtstrashcan2782 there's rumors that they're working on another Roguelike mode, so that could be the next planned end game. Also going to have to see what this tactical simulacra event that's coming up is about as well.
Yeah, echo EXP is garbo. I don't know why they got rid of the sealed tube simulation training that was in the beta/the echo tutorial quest. Meanwhile I've got trash echoes that I'm merging to make more trash that I'll merge to make more trash that I'll merge to...
I only go for main stats and completely ignore what the other substats are in this game. Maybe eventually when I have all my main characters built I can start to min-max but for now I’m good
After farmng artifacts in Genshin for three years, I can't relly complain for an echo system. Good luck trying to find a right crit circket in Genshgin, it can be months, If ever.
yea... echo xp accessibility needs to be raised up to the level of tuners. I almost never have enough xp whereas im still sitting on 1k tuners after getting solid echoes for both my teams
Honestly, just take your time, the echo grind is a "good enough for now" kind of issue. If it works, it works. Trying to get as near or at max crit value immediately is how you end up getting burnt out and dropping a game.
i not asking much.. let me finish one character. very hard to get 2 crit!! i need 2 pieces..that echo talent materials already extinct in my inventory. idk what happen... suddenly it went from 400 to 8. just one freaking day. 😭😭😭
The Game itself is easy outside the hologram. And i beat the hologram with f2p Yinlin and Cixia. With ok build. Thats enough for the whole game content. Sure its rare, but its not neccesary.
I hear a lot of you complaining but you guys need to remember this is the first month of the games real livespan . You are going to mid max everything super fast , that's how it always goes when you're a day 1 launch player. The only people that really get to enjoy life serves games like this are people that come a year later with a gaint wall fo things stacked for them to do . It's just like warframe it's only fun for new player but og are just there to speed run new content in 3 day and dip again until a prime resurgence pops up . I'm literally have no interest in touching warframe until tennicon for the free gifts and collectibles.
U are supposed to criticize some things, how else would the devs know what needs changes and what doesn't, just cause the game just came out doesn't mean we can't complain abt some things🤷
Ive got two characters fully kitted. Everyone else is running lvl 0-10 echoes. Biggest issue ive had since starting, why is there not an echo exp specific combat zone, or a shop that resets weekly that sells some or something. Also i farmed for 5 and a half hours killed literally every wolf and mushroom and only got two havoc dmg pieces on the havoc set. Never doing that again. Also also, i had the complete opposite issue with inferno rider, ive consistently only gotten crit dmg pieces until i FINALLY got 2 crit rate ones and one of them actually rolled great. But ive got 36 crit dmg inferno riders i simply do not need
Would be nice if they had a zone you could run for echo drops of a specific set so you don't have to run around the map so much. I like that they give echo exp and tuners together, but I'd like if they removed the echo drops for more of both of them, Tuners being the main thing. You get a lot of echo exp from events, but Tuners run out quick since they only allow you to recycle 30% of them instead of 80% like echo exp.
echos gonna be the bane of this game if they don't decide to revamp the whole system or make some drastic changes. my salt will just pile up until i start hating the game and quit completely
I heard from some rumor that they are probably going to add something that allows the players to reroll sub stats. But unlike the other rumor we should probably popularize this more because in case if it’s not true this could eventually be planned to be implement in the future
@@vengeancewillbemine2104 i feel like mats r superficial problem while the core is the rng hell in the substats that have no guarantee. having more chances for more rng rolls ain't gonna solve the real issue
Tbh bottleneck is echo exp...i have lik 1.5k premium tuners. At least with WuWa dont take lik 3 years to get end-game content lik Genshin🤣and somehow still manage to screw it up and not fix it in decent time.
Bro your set is not close, you for certain is losing dmg just because 1 echo is not the set and is not even a insane echo for worth doing this. The 5 set bonus is insane.
As long as the over all crit value is decent i wouldn't stress over it, anything like 65% crit rate to 190% crit dmg is all u need, the min maxing is the true end game.
The thing is that eventually, you'll start piling resources with nothing to use them on. That's how all gachas usually go. At the start you feel dirt poor and your resources are stretched to their limits since there's many characters and weapons you wanna build, but as time goes on you'll be sitting on a bunch of them with maybe 1 new character every now and then to build. Take your time and enjoy the game, and focus on building only 2 good teams for now.
I agree with every material but echo exp is different matter 😂
@@marupurusaivamsi4802 I mean not really? It's kinda similar with those; once you get those perfect/near-perfect sets, you start piling those as well (at least that's just my own experience, but then again I don't ever really minmax my artifacts in gachas so could be wrong)
My complaint for now is that grinding doesn't feel "fair", for a lack of better word as of late. I'm talking especially about the weapon material stages. At level 80 I think it's only fair to get a guaranteed gold material. I also see people complaining about how they get less echo EXP at the cost of getting premium tuners in union level 50. Definitely something to write about when the surveys come.
No need to wait for survey, just use in-game feedback system, they definitely read suggestions from there. I used it thrice and they addressed it in days (although they're small issues).
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You can synthesize materials up in rarity pretty cheaply as it is. So it's considered to be guaranteed progression that just takes a bit of time. But for echoes, that's not the case due to the amount of luck needed, so it doesn't help they give you so little rolls despite the truly low chance of getting what you want.
Take your time, but I would really be interested in that PGR review^^
It's different than WuWa for sure. I would still say PGR has the superior combat, but the 3Ping system definitely requires more time to get into than the usual one skill button with cooldown xD
At AR50, you will really start to feel the Bottleneck of the Grind, in which 240 resins per day, aint doing sheet.
Or lvling 70 to 80 characters and Stuffs.
8 "Gold" mats to level Weapons, but the Quality RNG they keep giving me is just "Blues and Greens"
like how the frick do I catch up even from Overworld farming when the monsters are all 70-80 too?
especially if you want to get 3 teams for ToA. if you want 6 characters (at lvl 80) with all traces/level/weapon to max level, you need roughly 10 million. and you get very little credit besides the domain. it can take actually and entire day of of waveplates just to level 6->8 for 1 trace
Despite the fact being able to farm Echo is nice, the issues start to become appearance when you try to level up those Echo you farm because.
One. You need EXP tube to level them up and not other Echo besides from Echo already level up, so you either let them sit in your inventory as waste space or fuse them.
Two. Not being able to see the sub-stats straight away bring it the major issues of not knowing which Echo to throw away or use them to fuse because it exacerbate the issue of not knowing the thing you throw away are valuable. Like does this Echo have perfect Sub-stats role when I level it up.
Three. Fusing have it own issues.
1: It's cost 5 echo for 1 guarantee plus "extra" if lucky.
2: You can't pick which set/echo cost the Fused Echo gonna be.
3: Exacerbate the issues I listed on the two above.
I am not gonna complain about the echoe system. Mainly because.
1. Compare to Genshin, it takes 2 months to AR 45 and it is not guarantee you to drop Golds at that AR, and when it does you can't say it's good enough. It takes me whole freaking 6 months to build hutao and it still mid.
Wuthering wave is like 1 and a half month old, it is not gate keeping you from building a character starting UL 30 because even at UL1 you have access to Gold Echoes. I built 2 characters now with crit and crit rate within a month, I wouldn't complain because they're generous enough for not gaye keeping us with gearing system, the only thing that prevent us is if you're not a whale then we have to grind our ass off in TC and roam around the maps opening tidals and chest, and milk all exchange reward events. Building a character in Wuthering wave shouldn't be that painful, you only build 3 characters per team, you can literally swap echoes to other similar element and for supports there's only like 20% difference because some uses HP/DEf/Atk. The game set doesn't matter much as it stays that way but they may add later since we don't have defense set. What matter is the Echoe ability which comes mostly from 4-Cost echoe.
2. The game just have access to many contents, that's why I think we have an eager to finish it, but that's not how the game tells us to do, we are just manipulated by the whales who can able to clear all content and other dolphin/f2p/goldfish content creator who makes content, what worst is some CZcams content creator wanted to make content out of it like Holograms clearing/ToA. That's why they express their disappointment toward gearing system in Wuwa, that's sad.
I wouldn't stress over echoes personally, at least if you are a casual player. NOTHING in the game requires you to have those fine tuned echoes outside the Abyss equivalent and minmaxing is still faster here than Genshin where the artifact itself is just a months long gacha if you get what you want and if the right skills upgrade.
Just by playing casually, never going out of my way to farm echoes and using the last double tacet field event to get fusion/havoc echoes, my Rover and Encore sits at a 60-70% crit rate and 180-200% crit dmg which is enough for pretty much anything. I don't count myself a good player, but even I killed every hologram Difficulty 5 with my lvl80 characters sub 3 minutes, which is the fair playing field. (Did lvl80 Crownless as well.)
If you want to be sweaty about not getting the perfect minmaxed echoes... thaz's perfectly fair, but again, that's the end-endgame long haul thing to do, just like in Genshin. The game giving you fixed main stats and events give you selectable echo packs as well with the element you want is enough for casuals I feel.
(That and wait for that craftable echo frequency chip, if the leaks are right. We are already getting stuff like the stamina storage in 1-2 version and addressed most problems people brought up in 1.0 before 1.1 even came out, so obviously they are listening, just like in PGR, but implementing and making things still takes time.)
Yeah it's pretty surprising how early you can clear the Holograms, considering they don't refresh, so it's only a one-time completion. I'm already done with them at UL47 so I only have ToA left until they add more end game.
@@Zer0Perplexity just like with Genshin, I don't think they add a new endgame for a long time here. But at least here you don't just have Abyss for 4 years, since we have Illusive Realm. And as far as that goes, all 3 patches so far are banger updates. 1.0 was a fun start, then they gave it a Scar theme with a DMC style meter and more extra stuff and in 1.2 we will have a full new theme for it again with completely new maps. Obviously it's not the hard endgame content many might want, but it is a continuously updated endgame content for every patch.
Personally, if we get updated Illusive Realm every patch with new characters and gimmicks added and we will see if 1.2 add another hologram again, I think that's pretty good content wise beside the new main or character stories and events.
The game is still too new to see what kind of direction they want to go with, but I think what we see for now for game modes (hologram, abyss-like, illusive realm) and Quality of Life that come (Data Bank 21 with guaranteed 5star echo for everything and balanced crafting/upgrading costs) or coming (stamina storage, the "we will see echo chip"), I think we are in a good spot for now. If PGR is anything to go by, which also had a bad disaster launch, they fixed it and add more and more good stuff the community appreciates, so I think we are in good hands.
@@ofanahtstrashcan2782 there's rumors that they're working on another Roguelike mode, so that could be the next planned end game. Also going to have to see what this tactical simulacra event that's coming up is about as well.
There will be a time when our resources are just going to stack up, we mostly run out of mats since we still need at least 3 teams for ToA
Still can't understand how Changli did not change your life
Yeah, echo EXP is garbo. I don't know why they got rid of the sealed tube simulation training that was in the beta/the echo tutorial quest. Meanwhile I've got trash echoes that I'm merging to make more trash that I'll merge to make more trash that I'll merge to...
I only go for main stats and completely ignore what the other substats are in this game. Maybe eventually when I have all my main characters built I can start to min-max but for now I’m good
one of the biggest problems of this game is the echo XP mats.. Sealed Tubes are extremely scarce ..
My only complaint is that I CAN'T EVEN PLAY THE GAME!!! my potato phone can't even handle it anymore
After farmng artifacts in Genshin for three years, I can't relly complain for an echo system. Good luck trying to find a right crit circket in Genshgin, it can be months, If ever.
19:10 Btw the weapon banner in wuwa is already 100% guaranteed.
yea... echo xp accessibility needs to be raised up to the level of tuners. I almost never have enough xp whereas im still sitting on 1k tuners after getting solid echoes for both my teams
BROOO i feel the echo exp i need that so bad i got echos for my characters that i want to upgrade but i never have enough
Honestly, just take your time, the echo grind is a "good enough for now" kind of issue. If it works, it works. Trying to get as near or at max crit value immediately is how you end up getting burnt out and dropping a game.
are u guys comparing echos? if i get a decent one im happy
i not asking much.. let me finish one character. very hard to get 2 crit!! i need 2 pieces..that echo talent materials already extinct in my inventory. idk what happen... suddenly it went from 400 to 8. just one freaking day. 😭😭😭
Hoping the rumors about being able to reroll the substats are true
Echo exp, that's all i complaint about, echo exp... it takes to fucking much to max lvl an echo
We should be able to see what a echo gonna roll with substats already. But make tuners to unlock substats.
The echo system is by far the worst aspect of this game. Not because hunting is terrible, but the upgrading is.
Imagine they really implement substats reroll system. I would be really happy.
i just dont understand why my 5 star energy regen bear echo only gives 20% energy regen at lv25 lol
Yea a kid could design a glowing sword like the weapon event ✋🌴🪬🙈🐚♾️👆☝️
The Game itself is easy outside the hologram. And i beat the hologram with f2p Yinlin and Cixia. With ok build. Thats enough for the whole game content.
Sure its rare, but its not neccesary.
I think we are too spoiled.
Nowadays i just login do my dailies spend my waveplates on tacet and logoff
The Echo exp needs to be refined. Let me use the echos I don't want to boost up another echo
I farmed 3.costs every day and I swimming in them, but yes I do see it being a problem for others😅
Brro for some reason everytime i farm infernal rider its always crit rate I have like 15 crit rate IR and i need crit dmg ...
@@gxz.notaken4242 bro mines the opposite im sitting on like 30 Crit dmg and only 3 crit rate from him. Wish we could trade
I hear a lot of you complaining but you guys need to remember this is the first month of the games real livespan . You are going to mid max everything super fast , that's how it always goes when you're a day 1 launch player.
The only people that really get to enjoy life serves games like this are people that come a year later with a gaint wall fo things stacked for them to do .
It's just like warframe it's only fun for new player but og are just there to speed run new content in 3 day and dip again until a prime resurgence pops up . I'm literally have no interest in touching warframe until tennicon for the free gifts and collectibles.
U are supposed to criticize some things, how else would the devs know what needs changes and what doesn't, just cause the game just came out doesn't mean we can't complain abt some things🤷
Ive got two characters fully kitted. Everyone else is running lvl 0-10 echoes.
Biggest issue ive had since starting, why is there not an echo exp specific combat zone, or a shop that resets weekly that sells some or something.
Also i farmed for 5 and a half hours killed literally every wolf and mushroom and only got two havoc dmg pieces on the havoc set. Never doing that again.
Also also, i had the complete opposite issue with inferno rider, ive consistently only gotten crit dmg pieces until i FINALLY got 2 crit rate ones and one of them actually rolled great. But ive got 36 crit dmg inferno riders i simply do not need
Would be nice if they had a zone you could run for echo drops of a specific set so you don't have to run around the map so much.
I like that they give echo exp and tuners together, but I'd like if they removed the echo drops for more of both of them, Tuners being the main thing. You get a lot of echo exp from events, but Tuners run out quick since they only allow you to recycle 30% of them instead of 80% like echo exp.
my only problem is echo experience. I got lots of great 3 piece set but can not level them up
@Gabimaru 😂 bro don't worry in 1.2v they already have a solution for it just wait okay man
echos gonna be the bane of this game if they don't decide to revamp the whole system or make some drastic changes. my salt will just pile up until i start hating the game and quit completely
cheer up! they will revamp it soon. ive seen the leaks xD
I heard from some rumor that they are probably going to add something that allows the players to reroll sub stats. But unlike the other rumor we should probably popularize this more because in case if it’s not true this could eventually be planned to be implement in the future
@@wkn-ix3vt yeah i've seen those, too early to judge how they will manifest when implemented, bit skeptical for now
they should make farming for tuners/echo xp mats use lower waveplates, 60 just for that kinda succ
@@vengeancewillbemine2104 i feel like mats r superficial problem while the core is the rng hell in the substats that have no guarantee. having more chances for more rng rolls ain't gonna solve the real issue
Tbh bottleneck is echo exp...i have lik 1.5k premium tuners. At least with WuWa dont take lik 3 years to get end-game content lik Genshin🤣and somehow still manage to screw it up and not fix it in decent time.
Kuro might implement a reroll substat same with pgr with alot of substat
Bro your set is not close, you for certain is losing dmg just because 1 echo is not the set and is not even a insane echo for worth doing this. The 5 set bonus is insane.
theres a lot more issues with the game. The fact that you were like "hmmm issues, issues" in the beginning is cap lol
@@ArchAngelKnights I was actually confused trying to think of something because personally I’ve had no real issues with the game
I’d pay a lot 😅😅
Would think a game creator stays in community right
Bro why is your Jinshi with 4/5 set?
@@dficwriter don’t have another Spectro echo for her right now
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all good bro i had to get at least 90 jue echo drops to get a single good one, but all of that was just to min max anyways