The Worst Pro Tour Top 8 of All Time
Vložit
- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- You thought Nadu was bad? I have a Pro Tour Top 8 that's at least in contention if not the worst of all time. 2024 Magic has nothing on the 2000s and its less refined rules of the era.
Turns out Pro Tour Rebels was pretty aptly named and Lin-Sivvi is remembered as the terror of Block Constructed for a reason. Turns out that legend design was something that took awhile to get to the same point we have now.
I love the Magic Pro Tour and I've always wanted to make a video like this, if you enjoyed it let me know I'm looking to make more things like this every now and then!
While I'm still very much excited for Bloomburrow spoilers, I hope you don't mind a bit of a detour from our present into Magic's past.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pro Tour History Playlist - • Pro Tour History
Come connect over at my Discord - / discord
Follow me on Moxfield! - www.moxfield.c...
All other links - linktr.ee/TheR...
For business inquiries please shoot a message to pastrycorp@gmail.com
Credits:
- This video features the songs 'Title' and 'The Void' from the game 'Orb of Creation', used with permission. Thanks Marple for being awesome.
You can check out Orb here: store.steampow...
- Small bit of footage used from the series Pretty Deece, it's awesome and you should check it out: • The WORST Block In MTG...
- All the other footage used is presumably owned by the LCS, WOTC and the PlayMTG channels. Everything was used with the intention of sharing the great stories of competitive Magic and credit was attributed as best I could.
Holy smokes, this video did a LOT better than I thought it would esp. since the channel is very much still growing.
I'm glad there's an audience for this type of content and I'll certainly be making more in the future (I already have some ideas cooking) but just want to note that as of right now esp for newer subs that it's going to be more the exception than the rule as far as content goes on the channel.
That being said the appetite is clearly there so I might have to effort the next one sooner than I thought!
I can't imagine the amount of research that went into making this video, but the delivery was really on point and really easy to digest. Not only that, great work on the editing giving visual aids and transitions for pretty much every single point.
I'll be honest, I don't really like Commander content. I came in with an open mind after reading your channel description and this was a great video! There's not really a lot of history of competitive Magic stuff out there so I look forward to more.
Here before 1k subs 8D
cut to the chase faster on your next video please
Big fan of competitive mtg history. Also, I disagree with the comment about cutting to the chase. The video had a good tempo.
Me: "These eldrazi are crazy! It's gonna be so hard to play against them!"
A fuckin bird: 🗿
At least the cheaper Eldrazi came out years later after temple and eye of ugin...Nadu was just WotC completely failing at their job.
They will let Nadu live until summer ends like hogaak probably.
i hope they start restricting cards like they did in timeless. worked really well for the meta
@@Krythavar They will not, so just abandon that idea.
@@Krythavarwhy don't you whine a little bit 😢
About until Bloomburrow drops
unless they get serious slack they'll wait till next ban period which is at the end of August
Nadu ticks literally every single box for a ban-worthy card: Extremely heavily played (x), warps the meta around itself (x), strong combo card (x) - in a resilient shell (x), strong card even without the combo (x), repetitive and/or annoying play pattern (double x), causes tournament issues due to monopolizing too much game clock (x). They will ban this card once the Hasbro suits are sure that all boxes of MM3 have been sold and the impact on the secondary market is considered not too heavy anymore.
People always say this but it makes no sense, nobody is opening MH3 for Nadu, he's not even a mythic rare and he's worth less than 5 dollars lol.
Forgot the most important one: Trades favorably with answers.
@@Alecationsthat's not the most important ban criteria. Being unanswerable doesn't even necessarily make a card good, though it is a force multiplier. It's a big deal in what makes a card overpowering, but not why cards get banned by WotC.
The most impactful point that gets cards banned is when the card or the deck breaks tournament structure, this includes being impossible to track, making every round go to time without being slow play, or requiring people to bring a sticker deck just in case. A relatively close second is eviscerating player morale and attendance/viewership by not being fun while still being played, and a rules change or errata won't help, and the next set releasing doesn't look like it'll shake things up.
Then, in distant third most important, is the card actually being powerful, and the ways that it is powerful. This is a big deal, because if the deck can't compete, nobody will play it, and it won't be a problem, but simply dominating the meta isn't necessarily a problem either.
He could have said "if this creature is targeted by your opponent" and it would still be a sick card
Funny thing is, Nadu isn't even moving boxes because everyone knows it will be banned, so no one is buying a box or pack to get Nadu. It's also probably rule zeroed at a ton of commander tables. I'll bet the suits are saying don't ban it because they have no clue how Magic players think, but they are just ruining an RCQ season for no reason.
I was listening to this and thinking "Man this sounds like Pastrytime" and then you mentioned your time in league of legends 😂
I remember convincing my brother that Lin Sivvi could activate her second ability from the yard
You are an evil, evil person. Well done!
LOL, ah early MTG arguments. I remember drawing a game because one card said I can do something, and another card said I can't. I was such an annoying kid sometimes!
To quickly correct you, it wasn't 20% of Nadu decks at the PT, it was 25% as there was a 4 Color Variant Nadu list there too, Bant Nadu covered 20.2% of the field while the remaining 5.3% of the Nadu decks ran the 4 Color Variant.
I saw the same in the list, but he did say "more than 20%" even though he could have just as reasonably said more than 25%
@@vctrsigma I did know the number was higher but wanted to keep the same consistency as the graphic on screen I was referencing. This was actually a very intentional bit of scripting!
You know your format is absolutely fucked when a mono-blue prison deck running Gush and Daze is a scrappy underdog, jesus christ.
We should just ban all 3 mana spells tbh. That seems to be the throughline.
Why don't you whine a little bit 😢
We've suffered for too long from 3 drops like Teferi or Oko
@@animalchin5082 rift bolt has been a manace too long!
@@animalchin5082 uro
My playgroup has a joke that one of our house rules is no plays till turn 4 😂
I find magic tournaments very hard to watch. they don't show you the decks being played and it seems like they just assume everyone is deep into magic and knows everything.
I haven't watched a tournament since like 2012, but they used to have really good commentary for the star city games tournaments that would explain every card being played. I wonder if there's anything like that today.
Isn't that true of almost every sport though?
thats how i feel when i watch flesh and blood now, i want to watch and learn the game but no idea whats happening, dont know the cards etc
@@Josh-bn4ki ? Magic has over 20.000 different cards. How on earth can someone know all off them. Yes on tournaments there are mostly only metadecks but still if you cant read the text on the card you have no idea whats going on. Most sports are easy to understand just by watching it.
Maybe dont watch real magic if you're a casual
God I adore historical magic content like this. Really appreciate your hard work.
Thanks bud
Really awesome video!
I think what makes Nadu feel different is that it's not just wizards making mistakes like they did with Necro or Skullclamp, but it's like they are just throwing out insane cards and letting the community do the playtesting. We've had the incarnations, Ragavan, Thoracle, Jewled Lotus, The One Ring, Oko, and all of these things could have been fixed before they were released, but once they are in packs being sold, and it's much harder to solve problems because players have already built decks and these are the chase cards.
It's not Nadu really, it's that there will always be another Nadu in a set or two.
By looking at the WotC actions in last months/years I wouldn't be surprised if they did that on purpose just to sell more packs. The amount of crazy strong, obviously problematic cards in recent sets is astounding. Not even mentioning the power creep. And the worst thing is that they aren't going to stop: yesterday the Bloomburrow trailer dropped and guess what? Even more strong, power creep cards that will make other cards completely obsolete due the sheer power.
@@N4chtigallhate to say it because I enjoyed 20+ years of 40-60 card format magic but these days the only format I even have decks built for are beginner teaching decks built from left over bulk commons and uncommons that I would teach new players with then donate the deck to them(haven't run into anyone lately but did give a few away like this.) and commander.
It's a lot easier to swallow a powerful card effect if it's limited to one. And while you can make a commander deck hyper focus on 1 combo with tutors and everything, it's usually better to build a deck with multiple combos. That allows for a more dynamic game to play out since you may not be winning with the same win con every single time. Unlike 60 card magic where you build the deck around a couple Cards with 3-4 copies of your primary combo cards then engine support cards to protect, speed up the combo, or counter.
Agreed! Also just looking at the speed with which increasingly obscure sets are coming out, the cash grab element of it is pretty obvious.
It’s a side effect of having absolutely no time to play test anything between sets. Nowadays, there’s a new product coming out every three weeks. There’s no time for r&d to properly playtest everything, and instead having to rush it out the door as quickly as possible.
As long as this type of design continues, there will indeed be another Nadu every other set or so.
@@N4chtigall Yep, agree 100% It's just that it's such a short sighted way to push sales. The thing is, magic absolutely depends on old cards, nostalgia, and players brewing with their old favorites, because at the end of the day, magic is fundamentally worse at being a card game than most other card games. When they keep printing stupidly power crept newness, and as players keep having the outcome be, it's not as fun to play my old favorites anymore, it kinda ruins the one thing that magic truly has to it's advantage. Just the fact that other games have no land flood/screw and they balance in other ways that don't depend on sheer luck in every single game, that's why magic desperately needs to not disenfranchise current players and to not powercreep out the older cards.
Very well made video my guy. Hard disagree on this being the worst PT, though. PT Oath of the Gatewatch was such cancer to watch as the Eldrazi menace just ran everyone over. Also, not only was Nadu dominant in the field of its PT, it still WON the event.
I’d still rank both of those PT’s higher than PT Rebels in terms of awfulness.
Heh, it is a small thing but at 8:30 you have the set symbols mixed up, nemesis was the axe and prophecy was the crystal
LOL no one has to know.
It's funny because I know for a fact in the edit I swapped them because I thought they were in the wrong order.
Should've trusted my instincts...
At the end of the day, nobody cares because both Nemesis and Prophecy suck interchangeably.
Regarding nadu, its transparently far to good. It was carefully made to be this strong, its to push packs
Hanlon's Razor goes here: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
@@Snow_Fire_Flameya inconceivable they would want to sell packs right ? Yuro oko and nardu were all made to sell packs
@@tylerberg4832While I would normally agree, Nadu is printed at Rare and not Mythic Rare. Nadu is currently half the price of a pack as a single, and it was a similar price a while ago. If it's meant to sell packs, it's done a pretty horrible job.
@@profozpin227 you think they make cards to not sell ? Uhhh ok
It's so good I'm shocked it's not mythic
I saw this video appear in my feed and immediately recognised your voice.
Excellent work and amazing production quality!
Same!
I think this is all very interesting! It’s weird to think that a card was broken, not really just because it was good, but simply because of that old ruling…as opposed to Nadu only being absurdly good LOL
I feel crazy Stockholm syndrome, but I really feel without Nadu this modern format would be real fun. One Ring is the next boogie man for basically giving a freebie turn and crazy card advantage for all the free spells, but I feel after that storm is easy to hate out, tron can also be hated. I feel after Nadu and One Ring the format could be reallllly fun.
One Ring is problematic though as no one is sure if/how it can be printed. Price has doubled in a year, and there’s no word from WOTC addressing this. UB could be the reserved list of the 2020s and “Beyond….”
@@kaipography yea. I wish IP wasn’t a problem because I find the card and flavor interesting. I also think it’d be cool to actually get it restricted for such a flavor win, but doubt they’d introduce that Pandora’s box to modern.
I agree One Ring should probably go if reprint avenues cannot be figured out though.
@@kaipography its insane that people think you cant reprint the one ring. They can easily make a universes within version. They've done it before, and they'll do it again
@@vitaminstorm9429 it’s a very big, rich IP. It’s one of the hardest IP’s to come back to the table and renegotiate deals with amongst what they have used so far, so yes I do think in this instance it’s not as easy to just “reprint as universes within” copies.
They also renegged the promise to do such after the stranger things secret lair / promising universes within versions of them.
@vitaminstorm9429 ye I saw someone mention printing it but swapping in the mirari for universes within flavor and that honestly fits perfectly
Great video! If I may offer some feedback.The music was a little loud around 7:15 and it made it hard to hear you. I hope it on sound like a jerk, I’m excited to see more from you in the future.
Oh np! I did a pretty good look at the mix for this video but missed this part for sure. Thanks for the feedback!
Im surprised you didn't mention Eldrazi Winter (PT Oath of the Gatewatch). 6 of the top 8 decks were some flavor of Eldrazi, and it was a standard set that sent things into chaos for that modern PT. Also it was a pretty stacked top 8.
I'm guilty of being less familiar with post 2010 PTs esp but excited to learn more about the more recent era.
In fact now that you mention it maybe that PT would be a good video idea...
@HungryOnPlane it would be a cool comparison video just showcasing another format with a crazy oppressive archetype. If you do a video on it I'll definitely check it out!
I am a little surprised the video didn't mention Pro Tour Eldrazi given it getting 6/8. That said, I don't think the Pro Tour itself was that bad (my biggest complaint about it was actually that they banned Splinter Twin shortly before it, which I think was unwarranted and was only done to try to shake things up). Yes, Eldrazi dominated, but Eldrazi was a brand-new deck that was on no one's radar prior to the Pro Tour. A new deck doing so well was a surprise. The format might have been miserable after the Pro Tour (until they banned Eye of Ugin), but in the context of the Pro Tour itself there was some excitement over a new deck no one expected doing so well.
And that's why I think Nadu was a lot worse. People knew about Nadu going into the Pro Tour and already didn't particularly like it, and then it dominated and made people dislike it even more.
Eldrazi winter was awfull.
No reason not to play the deck. It was everywhere...
@@HungryOnPlane Yeah eldrazi winter was my first thought when i saw the title. I think it’s even better for a video conceptually because the main card that lay dormant, eye of ugin, saw very low level of play before being unleashed, much like Eldrazi flavor wise, after the introduction of eldrazi spells with very low CMC such as thot knot, reality smasher, and endless one (who was just free 2/2’s first turn of the game and still a great top end card). That deck was brutal and hard to watch as the play patterns were rarely interesting but you knew that the deck winning was inevitable, again just like the eldrazi themselves. When BFZ first came out and the deck started popping up i wondered if wizards did it on purpose to just replicate the idea of how unbeatable and unrelenting the eldrazi were haha
MORE historical videos like this please! So fun!
“There was no way to know how impactful it would be, until the card was final”.
Except, as soon as it was spoiled, everyone except those that misread the card, immediately knew how impactful it would be and predicted it would without a doubt ruin the pro tour… which it then did.
Plenty of people thought Nadu was insane when they thought the ability only triggered twice each turn
@@greatbrandini3967... the ability does trigger only twice each turn, it's just that Nadu gives the ability to your whole board.
If Nadu instead said "whenever a creature you control is targeted by a spell or ability, put the top card of your library into your hand. This ability activates only twice each turn." It would only be playable instead of broken.
The fact it gives the ability out so each creature can draw you two feels like they made a last minute change. It's like they wanted to give the creatures "ward: gift a card" but also wanted you to be able to trigger it, but then realized it needed a limit, and gift didn't exist yet (and works differently). I wish Nadu just gave your creatures Ward: gift a card (if that was even a thing that the rules supported).
@@LibertyMonk you really could've saved the Nadu explanation for someone who ACTUALLY doesn't understand why Nadu triggers more than twice each turn. I guess from now on, I'll call them Stoneforge triggers or something since you just claimed that only 2 of the triggers are technically Nadu's triggers. That'll probably cause less confusion I'm sure
Edit: we are agreeing to just call them "Nadu triggers", then if I have 3 creatures, I can have 6 Nadu triggers, AKA Nadu is not limited to twice each turn
As a former player who's been out of the game for 10 years, I took one look at Nadu and just groaned. The card is so blatantly broken, there's no excuse for printing it, except for just plain greed. Garbage like this is one of the reasons WOTC will never get a single penny of my money ever again.
got this randomly recomanded by yt. thinking myself "oh, something i could play while i sleeve some of my decks" than i hear our narrator go commentator mode and i instantly snap up and go "wait a second... i heard this man before... who in the seven hells am i watching?"
and you wanna know the (most likely second) funniest thing? as the video went on i got to sleeving a nadu deck cause i had some from my openings and thought i should do something with he who will be banned
man when you cut to the LCS footage and i recognized your voice from the intros it threw me for a loop
great vid
This is such a good video, I wish you got more views for such a good video
Well sometimes wishes do come truw
I miss being able to place Jace Beleren to remove a Jace the Mind Sculptor.
The good old days of playing a mid 'Walker to remove an absurdly good one at sorcery speed and it somehow being good.
Glory days
The one thing WotC hasn't changed is their incompetence when it comes to play testing cards that are blatantly broken.
They actually have changed it, because they used to have an entire team devoted to competitive playtesting that no longer exists.
@@Joshuralize Apparently that team was terrible at their jobs then.
@@johnnycaraltaYou ever heard the phrase “don’t throw the baby our with the bath water”? Having a team is better than not having a team.
@@maximillianhallett3055 I never said it wasn't. I just said they sucked.
@@johnnycaraltaconsidering how bad things are now I think they did a pretty decent job.
Love the video! Would love to see more bangers like this ❤😊
This IS the type of content I want to see more of! Please keep making it! :)
"... THE best pro tour finals match of all time..."
*Shows finals from Chicago 1999*
My man 🤝 That match is mind-bogglingly good. I also love that line that Randy pops off in the lead-in to game five:
"Bryan Davis is trying to become the third consecutive rookie to win Pro Tour Chicago, he's also trying to become the first person ever to win the finals five games to zero." Legendarily savage roasting 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep up the videos man. Awesome content.
Great videos just one tiny thing to add though, the blurry background image you use to showcase cards is so highly criminal on the eyes, bordering on felony assault. again love the vids!
Yeah I'm looking into better living holds/motion graphic stuff. Appreciate the feedback. I think the Glaciers art in particular was too eye-assaulting so might also just be picking more appropriate card art.
There's something hilarious about a Stasis deck being the "good guy" relatively speaking.
Madu summer boys get your beaks out
I thought you might have gone for Elves as they had 6/8 in the PT of Berlin. It was a deck that took long turns as Glimpse drew into chains of more elves, and games were decided on if you would accidentally deck out, or just hit your opponent faster than your opponent could set up.
Elves is REALLY interesting 'cause it was omega busted for sure but there's more interesting storylines about that PT I'd like to save for future things. Also any excuse to get the wild late 1990s ESPN coverage in a video LOL.
Also I think the appetite for Elves in retrospect is a lot more palatable now whereas Rebels is universally terrible.
Wizards seems to have a serious problem with designing cards that cost specifically 1UG (Oko, Uro, etc), perhaps there should be an indefinite moratorium on rares with that cost lmao
How about a moratorium on any new cards at any cost. Ok at least no new free spells
Okay, being a massive LoL fan and hearing PastryTimes voice I was very confused. Awesome to learn that you’re also a huge MTG guy! Been absolutely obsessed with magic since first discovering it in 2011.
I can't believe I started watching your videos today and I kept thinking. "Man this guy sounds a lot like Pastrytime" and then I get to this video where it's like. Oh, he IS Pastrytime. Well that makes sense. Great videos I've been really enjoying them. Great quality just like your casting.
Oh I loved your casting in the LCS. I didn't expect banger magic content as well. Both the Block Constructed have been awesome.I gre up with the game but never knew much of the pro scene.
I knew I knew that voice - hey pastry.
did not even realize this was Pastrytime when i clicked on the video!
That moment when you click a random Magic video essay that popped up in your recomendeds and go "Wait a hot sec..... I know that voice"
It's me Magic Time.
Pastrytime talking to me about magic the gathering? This is something I never knew i needed in life and I'm all for it
Love these videos. I've watched the Enter the Battlefield documentary style videos multiple times as well as every Inside the Deck vid about MTG Pro Tour history. This stuff never gets old!
The 1999 pro tour season does contain my favorite final match of Magic. The legendary Brian Davis/Bob Maher match wherein Davis is the only player ever to go 5-0 and lose.
Shh don't leak the future videos!
i can't imagine how rude was Rebels mirror match
Holy shit its Pastry Time. Wow I had no idea you had a youtube channel and this was just in my recommended.
Video: "another 3 mana legend"
Me: "oh yeah, the rebel leader girl"
14:10 - Man, you can see from the footage how exhausted Eskeland was by the end. He doesn't even look that excited to have won the Pro Tour, he's just like "thank Christ, I don't have to play against any more Rebels."
And he only lost to it once at the event LOL
Video starts at 6:00
I had the pleasure of playing in this PT, and to my memory 11 of my 14 matches were against some flavor of rebels. I didn't play against Rising Waters once (a relatively small team brough it), but played against a couple of black control decks (an anti-Rebel strategy). (I was playing a more controlling version of Rebels than most, FTR.)
Its not a disaster for wotc because it sells packs.
It's a feature. Not a bug.
Eldrazi Winter entered the conversation.
actually the PT format cycle was usually rochester draft, booster draft, block constructed, extended and then worlds with standard, draft and either block or extended. i think there were only 2-3 standard pro tours until 2008. then the mixed format (draft and constructed in the same event) started to take over and standard was used a lot more.
Bring back Rochester Draft tbh, absolutely GOATED format.
I would put any caw blade era pro tour up against pro tour rebels, but I'm so happy to have a video about lin sivvi's effect on magic.
Heard the voice at the start and did a double take; when I heard the LCS shouts I couldn't believe that one of my favorite casters was doing a MTG video! Instant sub, hope you keep doing content like this!
As a yugioh player, 6/8 top cut with the deck not even winning being regarded as this dominant is wild to me. We’ve had multiple 7/8s in the last few years and multiple 32/32s throughout the years.
Well, now I want to play Orb of Creation again...
that "trying to keep the game in balance" is as far from the truth as possible. right now this game checks how fast can powercreep occur, by printing broken cards that are either too cheap in mana compared to stats+effects or by just making cards that ruin fun in casual games.
I can relate too Kai Budde at the end, having started playing mtg in 1995 i made alot of friends just sitting down in the local game shop and playing.
I'm 40 years old. Mercadian masques was my introduction to mtg. There were no spoilers back on those days and black was and still is my favorite color, so when the moment came i chose to build a black mercenary deck over a rebel one. Yeah :/
They knew this 💩 was overpowered. What other card lets you put lands in untapped like that? Or says "only activates twice a turn"? They do this crap to sell packs. They don't care about balance.
MH3 didn't need help selling lmao
@@aidan8473 EXACTLY 💯💯💯
I didn’t realize this was pastrytime until you started talking about your league casting career. Good to see more of you!
love how everyone who is in the league ecosystem that came from mtg are my favorite people in the scene
For me, 2016's Pro Tour Oath of the Gatewatch was the worst. 6 copies of Eldrazi in the top 8 (other 2 were affinity).
While I miss visiting a plane or stort for an entire block, nobody misses block constructed as a competitive format, especially this stupid "here's 2 of 3 sets" deal. It's fun in linited, but awful for constructed.
I'm sold on Lin Sivvi being the worst pro tour, but I think most people add the "with a reasonable format/card pool", or more specifically "modern (or mixed but only with formats I know)" caveat. Because it feels like its cheating that they actually scheduled block tournaments before the block as designed existed, and those tournaments were often clunky.
" wowww a nadu + shuko deck. daring arent we ?? "
Glad I clicked on this video, lesson is Wizards will always print more busted cards (or change the rules to fit it) 😂
Its like no one remembers standard protour aetherworks marvel, when everyone was spinning fidget spinners to slam their ulamogs turn 4.
*writes down future video idea*
Bring back blocks and block constructed! (old man yells at cloud)
I know it's not the pro tour, but the mythic championship that was 69% Oko has made pretty much any other tour watchable for me. At least almost 3/4 of the matches aren't pretty much mirror matches.
Oh boy Oko honestly deserves his own video. Might be the card that ruined the MOST amount of things.
@@HungryOnPlane Oko, Uro and field of the dead made for a very... ruined first few months of Eldrain
I'd say that probably the most dominant card ever to see play in Magic (when it was legal) is Tolarian Academy. Pretty much everybody was playing it, even if you weren't playing the Academy archetype. Mono-green decks were running it because getting a land drop that literally did nothing for you was worth preventing your opponent from playing it ('cause of old Legends rule, just like Lin Sivvi was played under).
I mean all of Urza's Block is pretty special but safe to say Academy has a future video spot earmarked for itself it was that game warping.
Impressive really to be the most broken thing among a sea of completely broken things.
I remember kaladesh block when it seemed like the only deck in standard was mardu vehicles...
Played the hell outta FNM and Grand Prix tournaments from 2013-2017. Glad to see high quality content on a game I used to love - fortunately was always a Limited guy, so format warping cards were for the uber-sweaty types (your 0-2 droppers). I’m gonna redownload MtGO…
Awesome video! Those 2000 magic pro tours were really something 😅
Quiting modern was one of the best decisions of my life.
Me too man. It’s actually crazy how most of my interactions outside of work were solely to beat their 400$(minimum) deck and buy-in with mine.
The reward is more packs/store credit to continue the cycle and bragging rights to no one who has an actual life.
@@Corroderptor Yeah I mostly draft now at fnm's. I bought into the format because it was supposed to be nonrotating. Boy did I get fooled lol.
You should try premodern
@@tomasvalerio6043 I have been enjoying watching Premodern on youtube but haven't really looked into the price of decks and I am not sure where I would even be able to play around me.
@@bigbojangles4585 well if you wanna give it a try there’s an online webcam community or the Mtgo community as well! As for the price of the decks, you can get good ones for cheap if you want or of course you can go for the juicy stuff… that’s on you! What I’m trying to say is money is not a problem to enjoy the format and be competitive in it
This was my third PT and first constructed PT. This exemplifies how awful the format was:
I ran a black-green deck heavily metagamed against white creatures, including four Massacre main. 2BB, Sorcery, all creatures get -2/-2 until EOT, you can freecast if you have a Swamp + they have a Plains.
Game ONE in a day 2 match, I drew an opener of Forest, Rishadan Port, 3 Massacre, 2 other spells. On the play. Unknown opponent, closed decklist, no scouting (at least for or by me). I KEPT.
I drew another Port on turn 4.
I drew my first Swamp on turn 6. Freecast two Massacres to wipe their board. I won the game. I went on to win the match.
Oh hey Sol!
I didn't know this was your first Constructed PT that's hilarious. I was actually wondering how good Massacre would be given the event's metagame so I'm glad someone tried it.
Also I might want to do a video on The Rock at some point so good to know where to find you if that comes up!
I was 16 when I opened a Rishadan Port and remember being disappointed that my rare was a land. And I loved my Rebels deck, I was lucky enough to get a Lin Sivvi too, and was the envy of all my friends ^_^
Yeah, I remember Elf n' nail. It ruined Swedish nationals for me, I think skullclamp got banned 2 weeks after nationals or something like that.
Granted I also suffered the worst mana flood in magic history during the draft portion.
I wonder why they had Nadu's ability cap to triggering twice per-turn Per Creature rather than twice-per-turn period? It'd be a little more awkward to format but WAY more sensible.
It would be far easier to word. Rather than say, "Creatures you control have etc etc etc..." Just say, "Whenevever a creature you control is targeted by a spell or ability, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a land, put it onto the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand. This ability only triggers twice per turn."
That was a last minute change I think.
You already touched on it, but I think the reason Nadu sucks to watch is it non deterministic but it might as well not be. You know if Nadu, Shuko and a couple bodies are on the board they are almost guaranteed to win but they first need to prove that they can.
I got curoius when you showed the LoL clip in this and did more digging. Pastrytime I adored your Lol casting and am happy to follow you in this endeavor. I played Type 2 back when Rebels were a menace, and it was rough. I do agree that this PT deck archetype was indeed supremely dominate.
I did not play back then but i have heard about it this, in mirror matches it was just a race to to could get Lin Sivvi out first. Yeah if the legend rule was the same as back then Nadu would be even worse than it is now.
Perfect example how the design teams in MtG lost the magic years ago. Any play testing would have shown how oppressive the card is, but I'm guessing they are hiring people who don't actually play MtG to design their cards now. Considering they have had this issue in the past as you have shown, it should have been a learning opportunity, but I doubt the newer designers have actually reviewed how past cards have warped formats.
Why would they worry about playtesting when the players can do that on Arena?
I was thinking of Pro Tour Aether Revolt personally, considering 6/8 decks were Mardu Vehicles, and it also featured the infamous "combat" moment, skipping Cesar Segovia's beginning of combat step in a very dumb rules moment.
*writes down future ideas furiously*
Great vid - glad to find a new auto watch channel !
the moment you said "another three drop" I knew this was going to be about Lin Sivvi
It's not Lin Sivvi fault 🙂. Problem was bad legendary rule.
I was just about to comment that you sounded exactly like pastrytime. Good caster voice translates well over to good youtube voice, good job!
Nadu, ring, necro, bye bye
Nothing is worse than Nadu!
I cast witness protection on it when my opponent was tapped out with nothing but it, a bristly bill and a llanowar elves on the table...
He proceeded to draw 5 lands on my turn, flicker nadu, and proceeded to draw 8 more cards on my turn
He literally got 5 fucking lands on my second turn... because for some bullshit reason if you flicker it, it keeps going forever
Yugi players: “first time?”
This is fantastic, more discussion about ban, broken cards, top 8’s and competitive magic please!
In my opinion, the only thing worse than being broken, is being broken and boring. That is why I don’t like Nadu decks.
When you started showing the old video, I knew it was going to be Lin Sivvi. The legend rule was such a problem.
I just found your channel, and that intro really pulled me in, got an instant subscribe as that title screen rolled around. Looking forward to seeing more magic coverage from you!
Worst of all time is an exaggeration. Bad is more accurate.
Love the shout out to the GOAT at the end. Very classy! You've got my sub for that!
Awesome video! I totally forgot about how the Legend Rule affected these mirrors. How dreadful!
You know Nadu is bad when you have to compare a Modern Pro Tour to a block Pro Tour to find an example of a more homogenized PT. Especially when you consider that Modern is marketed as a non-rotating format that your decks will remain viable for a long time