Building A Naturally Aspirated 6.0L LS Iron Block - Engine Power S8, E11
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- We build up a naturally aspirated 6.0 liter LS iron block engine for both track and street duty. #horsepower #smallblock
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PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
Fitech: Fitech Ultimate LS Complete EFI System
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Summit Racing: Cometic MLS Head Gaskets
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Summit Racing: Comp Cams Valvetrain Assembly Spray
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Billet Timing Set
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Harmonic Balancers
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Hydraulic Roller Lifters
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing LS Intake Lifter Valley Cover
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Piston Ring Squaring Tool
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Pro LS Camshaft
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Pro LS Cast Aluminum Oil Pan
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Pro LS Crankshaft
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Pro LS Forged Pistons
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Pro LS Steam Line Kit
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Summit Racing: Summit Racing Timing Cover
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Summit Racing: Total Seal Adjustable Ring Compressors
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Summit Racing: Total Seal Gas Ported Piston Ring Set
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Summit Racing: Trick Flow Specialties Cylinder Heads
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ARP: ARP Bolts & Fasteners
Matco Tools: MATCO Tools are the Official Tool Supplier to Engine Power
Shacklett Automotive Machine
SuperFlow: SuperFlow SF-750 Machine
The Industrial Depot: Tools, Hardware, Shop Supplies - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Here's a simple formula for making 500 HP with an LS:
1. Take an LS block.
2. Randomly throw parts in its general direction.
3. Dyno it.
Truth is stranger than fiction.
$3000 worth of heads, aftermarket cam, and 600+ ;)
I just looked up the kit THEY COST u gon have to throw about 1500 plus especially if something break
I really like the Pat and Frankie combo, it's like a father and son, with the jokes and different techniques they bring to the engine. Happy fathers day
Finally a show that puts the rings on correctly with piston ring pliers.
First motor I rebuilt, a trash Mopar 400, we didn't have money for extras like ring expanding pliers. It worked, but it did mean going back to the machine shop for another ring to replace the broken one....
I love the LS content.. We really need TV show friends to help us with the RPM Act and think it would be really great of them to start mentioning it on their videos since they have so much influence to the car community.
@@bigboreracing356 well either your super wrong or the millions of people fighting for this are. The EPA are trying to take away our ability to modify nearly every vehicle with a vin # and or registation. That includes them there street cars you be talkin bout..
@@KarKamp RPM act allows someone to modify a former street car - now a pure off-road/race car. As for on the street, the EPA just means you cannot disable/defeat any emission control device but they never really defined what that is. For race cars, EPA says removing catalytic converters is a violation even on a dedicated race car. So for them, you have to buy "body on white" cars that were never emission certified.
@@bigboreracing356 I think the diesel brothers were who started the fight with this epa bs
Hum
How do we get in contact with you guys to try and get suggestions on builds? I want a Ls engine with 700 hp, Iron block, and equipped with overdrive.
Looking good. Happy father's day to all the dad's. Thanks 😀!!
The Goldmember reference set the whole build off. Happy Father’s Day all you hot rodders out there!
Thinking about the next generation of Hot Rodders just starting out, I would love to see a multiple series engine build show and demonstrating what to do when things don't quite work out right. For example, what to do when the main bearing clearances are smaller / bigger than originally thought...what do you do. Same for rod bearings or when the bore is bigger or smaller than expected etc etc. I understand this wouldn't be nearly as exciting for us experience folks but I think the younger generation would appreciate having a "source" to turn to. Just my $0.02.
I would like to see a basic budget rebuild on a 5.3. Something the average guy could do in the driveway. Maybe just top end rebuild. Keep it under say $800. Great show guys always learning something new.
This video is just an advertisement for all the parts used.
$800 builds have very little parts to advertise.
$800 will get you a camshaft kit. But if the engine has decent compression, decent oil pressure, and you aren't going to rev it to the moon, a camshaft in an LS2 (6.0 L) could get you very close to a 500hp, streetable motor - with headers. Add heads and your at 550. Build a stroker, keep the compression high, and you have upper 580s.
@@CyberdriveAutomotive of course
It's a 408 with really nice heads and a good cam. Should have made over 600 hp and 550 ft ibs. The problem is the short runner intake
I was thinking the same thing, first thought was the Intake and shorty headers
I felt the same way. 😢
If I'm going to go the stroker route, I want north of 600hp NA!
Otherwise I could have saved my money and still got north of 500hp and get some nitrous. 🤔
I started my Father’s Day helping my grandson change out an A-arm and swaybar links on his Le Sabre We did the first one last weekend. This 6.0 video is the cherry on the top. Right up my alley. Happy Father’s Day all. Dave Heitman
It was great to see the 2000-6000 dyno pull. I would love to see this pull used on all the engines that are not race only motors.
Pretty much the exact build I want in my Nova. Minus the gold
There is no pleasing you
they should put it in an Oldsmoble
How much did that cost you ? Thinkn of building a 6.0 for my Silverado
@@HardWorkpaysofff he said "he wants" not has. You'll need about 10,000 for a similar build!
@@docsmallblock6584 ya i think I can do a similar build for about 6.5 k
I’m so glad you guys are doing the 6.0 stuff!!! I picked up 2 LQ9 blocks 1 complete and one in parts for $500 no cracks…. One of them is going in my 2000 Z28 and one I’m gonna put a turbo on in a project 98 S10!!!! 👍🏼
How'd it go?
I went the LQ4 6.0 turned into a 408 stroker. Solid Solid combo
Did u do the s10 swap? I have a 5.3 and I need something to stick it in.
Love builds like this. Could have gave it a bit more on the compression side of things, went to a long tube header, maybe a Fast lsxr or stock Ls3 intake for more mid range torque. My 408 put down 636 hp and 527 ftlb at 28 degrees, 11.8:1 compression, slightly bigger cam, and FED stage 1 LS3 cylinder heads. Cars a complete nutcase now. With 4.11s and a 6 speed to boot.
oh that sounds hot
Out if curiosity what was your cost just a ball park, any specifics on your build recipe? Understand everyone doesn't like sharing their combos due to competitors, but just wondering.. haven't done a price breakdown of this engine recipe but given you having the same base build with little more compression, and few minor part changes and netting what 100ft lbs more tq as well as hp would be neat to see the comparison with costs compared to this build . I guess what I'm saying is a dollar cost average on hp with your build compared to this one..kinda cool to see a cheaper variant putting more hp and tq or where the best hp gain per dollar is best spent on a given area..hopefully this makes sense lol
My TS 388 was built 9 years ago and at hot rod power tour this year, it still made 523/488 at the wheel thru a 4l80e. It made 541/506 in 2014, so I'm super happy with it. I've beat on this engine alot over the last several years and it's been a great engine. I'm gonna build a 427 next year and freshen up my 388 so I have a backup motor
More important than "max torque" was the usable torque starting at 2,500 , about 400+ft pounds.
I know that prices change sometimes with the blink of an eye, but I would love to hear the price on some of these budget minded builds at the time of building them.
Well that EFI master kit with coils has got to be about 3500 alone, then those trick flow head's, the summit forged Ls stuff, crank ,rods and Pistons, I'd say this is a 10,000 dollar build + labor for what you may not be able to do yourself.
I was thinking the same thing!
@@tarheelpowersaws9619 , yup, maybe even more cuz you gotta have a block to start with! One thing is for sure, it cost a lot to go fast!!!
@@docsmallblock6584 double
@@scaven09 naw double that is whipplecharger territory.
Really good explanation on why you dyno the way you do, but I'd still like to see yall build a towing engine that's dynod low for the guys that need a towing engine and don't want to buy a diesel or a new truck
2nd that, I wanna build my LS for mostly low speed fun - a burnout or two but nothing crazy
SUPERCHARGER OR TURBO
Will not happen, they build a single plane 383 stroker and take it to 6000rpm , put it in an truck and call it a TORQUE motor! High horsepower / rpm is where the TV ratings / MONEY is. Not real world driving applications.
Ls motors are not big TQ makers. The older SBC and BBC make better TQ. But less hp and don't Rev as good.
I want to step in and stay thats kinda BS too. ALOT of people race from stop ligths still... and like you said, towing people want the low end. My 460 BBF only goes to 3800RPM stock. I put a nice trans in it with a billitt converter, so it will flash to 1500rpm now which is so much nicer for stop light starts, But yeah, there's a reason chassis dynos start at 2000rpm, you need drivability lol.
For anybody wondering I added all the items and a little more for that same build and it come out to around 13,000 for parts
LS engines are the platform, haters gonna hate
This video was perfect timing for me. I'm putting a 408 iron block Manley lower kit with 243 heads in my 4th gen camaro. Now I know what to expect!
408?
@@benboyd3082 402 bored .040 over I think.
Danny Church, I put ported 243 heads on mine and the extra compression sounds beautiful and it’s snappy as hell on acceleration.
@@Nmdixon-cu7vm is that changing from 317’s?
Yaaaawwwwwn. Gee, glad someone finally did an LS build up.
My Sunday go to videos, really enjoy this show..... thanks guys
Love all the power nation shows because they are so helpful
Awesome episode guys! Nothing but good stuff!
I love watching these videos. I'm not mechanical at all but do love watching.
Excellent show guys, keep the vids coming.
That's exactly the kind of load you'd be getting on one of them if it was in a truck pulling a heavy trailer when you come out of the driveway trying to get up to highway speed by the time you're at 1500 RPM you're at wide open throttle⛽🇺🇸🚜
Love the ls content, don't love how Pat is happy with lackluster results...🤣
They could have gotten almost the same power with stock ly6 heads.
If I'm spending the money on a stroker kit, I want north of 600hp NA!
I've been wanting to do a 4.6 in my vic and after I came up with a budget i said screw that. This right here makes me want a LQ4 even more.
Pat is the MAN!!!!!
Nice one power nation
Keep on.
I'm always watching! 👍From Philippines
THAT is a Christmas Gift !
Love pat’s jokes
Awesome job guys. Wow
THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL
great video, but can you build a upgrade engine chevy LM/LQ4 for pump gas in a truck and for towing a heavy boat trailer , with a lot of torque for the boat ramp , but also for daily use
I think that might be a similar bottom end as this one, but with a basically stock top end and the same controller.
A BTR torque cam is going to give you 35-40 more HP. After that you’re going to need a converter, injectors tune, ect,ect.
Looks great guys
Thing will be super sweet in that truck ls like a rock 🪨 🎸 💯👊💪
ill come organize it for ya. wouldnt want to miss the opportunity to help a legend.
I love that Intake kit
Great show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd like to see you guys do something with a iForce 5.7 Toyota
Awesome skit!!! 6.0 baby
After seeing the flow of the heads I have a 351c with 4v heads I wanna see a build where they use that and see how they go about it.
my cobra jet Cleveland port flow maxed out at 245.7 cfm at .700" intake and 167.3 cfm at .700" exhaust.
My stock 823 LS heads maxed at 278.8 cfm at .700" intake increasing to 328.8 cfm at the same lift with back cut valves and pocket porting. The exhaust went from 195.7 cfm at .700" to 241.2 cfm with the same back cut and port treatment.
20:02 I think it looks pretty sharp, personally.
I was wondering if you guys could build a drag week build for next year between all the shows. Due a build series!!
I miss "the old days" when magazines were the source of information. They had many comparisons instead of single-source part builds. This helped determine what parts you needed for your application, so you could save a little money.
If you do some reading you'll find that the 317 heads are good for low end and not appropriate for much else. They're great truck heads, but you wouldn't want to use them on a race engine.
Love how these guys just spray the lube all over the springs, missing the valve-rocker surface, and I guess this was a stroker kit that took this to 406 cu in. Love to pair that bottom end with my stock top end.
A nice flat torque curve is best, and this Summit kit does a good job without mixing and matching parts from different sources. I wonder how much this build cost, maybe $10,000?
If you ever find a price breakdown, please post it. $1600 block, $2000 rotating assembly, $3000 heads, $1000 camshaft, $1000 little parts (bolts covers retainer), $2000 oil pan intake etc. $3000 for EFI?????
They didn't use the stock 317's and no they suck at low end grunt the intake ports are to flipping big to make low end power. You want low end grunt use cathedral heads.
Lol don't listen to me! To early in the morning getting numbers mixed up. I had 823 in my head. Ignore me
@@MrJayo73 I was gonna say 317's are cathedral port, at least the ones in my garage are.
Cool flip
" how often do you go from 1500 rpms to WOT ? " uhhh A lot ? lol
Outstanding
I'm running an iron block 6.0 with a Fitech Ultimate setup on my 3rd gen Camaro. Although It's probably only in the 400hp range I'm very happy with the combination.
How do you like that in the 3rd gen? I have an 89 iroc z28 and really want to put a 6.0 in it but some people are suggesting the 5.3 so I’m in between now. Any insight?
@@anthonycr2502 If you can find a 6.0 for a few hundred more than a 5.3 go for it, but recently people think 6.0s are made of gold. Either a 5.3 or 6.0 is a HUGE improvement over stock, so you won't be disappointed either way. I would highly recommend a cam swap before putting whatever engine you decide to go with. Also go with Speed Engineering longtube headers. They are cheap and fit great.
That's a gold engine right there 🤠🤠
I would die to see a LeMans type SBF, something that revs super high, would be so cool.
The problem with really high reving motors are: 1) They beat up valve springs. and 2) they make no power at low rpms. Sucks to have to rev to 4500+ rpm just to beat the stock Honda Accord next to you. Old school motors have about a 4500rpm power band. So if you are peaking at 8500, your probably not making usable power below 4000. Make that a high winding 302.... on the street, it will be pretty much undrivable. I was young and dumb once (now just old and.... never mind), have a car that will not idle at all and trying to deal with loose torque converters and driving on highway etc. with no power brakes (or worse, power brakes that are spotty) and well, when you get older, you want that air conditioning.
Cheaper and funner to build bigger motor OR boosted motor.
Unbelievable Chevy as always!🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪
Cool to see this set up, when compared to the 6.4l truck hemi’s You guys built. IMO the hemi has some major advantages. Heads that flow 340cfm stock vs 270cfm on the LS. The power numbers were only 40hp less and 25fts less and all the hemi got was cam and valve spring upgrade and aftermarket intake plus it was running all the accessories.
This LS would pull right past a built 6.4..
Not a Mopar guy but those flow numbers are insane! I'll have to check out that build now
6:30 dad elevator joke was timed perfectly
and you would have made more torque with a stock LS3 intake. LS3 heads would have supported 550hp easy.
I agree we all aren’t building drag cars but real world engine which work from idle to redline. I love watching this guy torque heads like he’s in a hurry, don’t get me wrong it’s nice to see peak power but a lot of us want real world I am towing a trailer and passing a car on the highway with an engine combo.
These guys know their stuff! I disagree at times but thats cuz I have c3azy ideas at times. Lol
You guys should build a 5.3L LS4, and show everyone how to make power with a front wheel drive LS application!! Also, some tips with deleting the AFM, and how to properly block off the oil passages for the AFM system would be awesome!
afm delete is new lifters (technically only need 8) and push rods. You can get a valley cover with orings installed to delete the ports, drill and tap for pipe plugs, or call your friendly neighborhood welder.
This is what I need for my trailblazer SS
Ls2 ftw
Hi guys, great video as usual. You fella's are a natural team, don't change a thing.
One question; I've only ever seen the show advertise & recommend certain pre-assembly lubes & thread lock products. But ! What are your preferred engine oils ? Do you refrain from mentioning specific brands because there are so many brands who could be valuable potential show sponsors. Followers and friends please jump in with your choices, and why.
I bought a 93 Chevrolet Cheyenne in 95, with the 4.3 engine & 100k miles. It had a holed piston and cracked head (but it only cost $500). Anyhoo, I took that teardown opportunity to meticulously mic and record every measurable tolerance and compare them with factory specs. Everything was still factory-spec-identical!! I rebuilt the engine and put on an additional 243K miles, over a 25 year period (with only high $ synthetic oil). I tore the engine down 2 years ago, and all of the mic readings were virtually the same as when I started. So, what oils do you guys use for your favourite engines ?
First off, I just wanna say I love yalls show! I've been at a crossroads with a build and then i come across something I like. But out if curiousity, what's the part number for that FI tech system?
great video and great content!!! what is the blue oil (what brand) that is put on the camshaft during installation?
add a cam, springs and boost. leave the rest alone its that simple
HELLO I always see them,
I enjoy seeing how they build the engines, but I would like to know if they do it with V6 engines for example the 231 from GM buick. Greetings
Pat needs more pens in his shirt
I'm putting a 6.0 Ls in 2001 mitsubish Montero sport oh yeah ready to ride 😎
LS SWAP THE WORLD!
How often to I go to wide open throttle with a heavy enough load to hold it back? The 6.0 in my 2500 drags trailers in those conditions daily.
Pat doesn't need a desk, he just stuffs it all in his pockets!
I know its not an older engine and not alot of people are fans of it but its what I got in my truck...PLEEEEAAAASE see what kind of build you can do on a 5.4l 3v! Id even let you use mine to do it haha
Would love parts list for this build with part numbers and working links to sites to buy.
13.0 fuel for power enrichment little on the lean side .would have liked to see what it would have done at around 12.5 like the rest of the world would run on pump gas in a ls .stock computer and hptuner and truck intake would have got you just as much for cheap. That would impress people more then the wasted cash and not big numbers to back it .
(this video was just a glorified advertisement)
I don't know what they're talking about. I cruise on the highway at right around 2,000 RPMs and then go to full throttle plenty of times
Does the transmission kick down (or do you down shift?) After the down shift, that is the rpm you should be worried about.
con fuse a manual trans won’t kick down. I’ll hold full throttle at 1800 rpm going uphill towing car on a trailer, engine runs fine. If I were to downshift a gear it’d be doing 2400 and burning shitloads more fuel. I’ll stay in top unless it loses speed.
@@confuse3671 you're right after cruising at approximately 2,000 rpms if I floor it to transmission does kick down
had me fooled with that coin toss schtick... I was like...there's only one option even when you have the choice.
Considering the high end heads and stroker kit and big cam it should be well.over 600 hp
Been dealing with BS from so called OEM GM parts online. Ordered from Summit Racing pretty steady with no problems. If Summit keeps it up I'm just going to deal with them.
What do you think it would do with +4 on the camshaft and an ls3 long runner intake. Would it be beneficial for average torque.
Wish I had that engine!
Build one!
Crazy
Great video. But nobody ever mentions the need to have the mains line honed to be able to correctly use arp studs. That's an added cost
The 317 are cathedral port. The trick flow heads were rectangle port. If they tested a stock rectangle port head , the flow would have been very close
... I miss Mike Galley.
Where did he go?
@@aaronwestfall8990 He left EP/PN. Neither Mike Galley or PN has stated why Mike left
Frankys cool though
@@harveylong5878 My understanding that filming can be grueling on these shows. 10 hr days for weeks on end etc. Not for everyone.
@@confuse3671 true.. and I believe Galley had been doing it for like 10+ yrs ? I miss him too. Just not the same.
Gen 3 best projects for the small block we ever built reliability wise that 99 to 2006 Chevy truck I've seen with a million miles 500,000 400,000 300,000 yeah the 4L60s might be on its second transmission or third transmission by that point unless you get one with the standard I've seen those go for a long time I had a new venture 3500 with 260,000 on it and it only was on its second clutch
I've never been more excited for something so disappointing as when Pat said "I love elevator jokes" LOL this is why we love you Pat
It fell flat 😁
Lit intro
I thought the whole reason for using the LS engine platform was because it CAME with outstanding cylinder heads that you DIDN'T have to replace! How much can you improve on an LS cylinder head that doesn't get cancelled out by buying $2,000 cylinder heads??
I want one!
Im looking to pickup a LS6, same as your build in here, but was wondering if there are any aftermarket companys that make intakes to use carbs vs EFI...thanks in advance
I would love to see more obs stuff \builds
Nice good, safe, reliable engine. I dont agree with the intake manifold though. It just doesn't have the runner speed upstairs. Im weary of ANY manifold that changes runner geometry from the plenum to the cylinder ports. Nice good build and right on target of what they wanted. You spent too much to build it though.
Love how he always has pens in his shirt pocket 😂
Would you consider building an LS3 aluminum block 4.0 bore & 3.25 stroke (327) to fit a 67 Nova?
Really wish y'all would do a 6.8 v10
What about the knock sensors? Did y’all just eliminate them? How does that work?
Build your dream engine now. Enjoy it soon. Because within 5 to 6 years we and our old 🦕 burners will be out in the cold. Figures takes me until I'm 40 to get on of my dream rides. And soon it will be a garage heirloom
Yeah that 60E might last two runs if it ever makes it out of 2nd gear
I love the channel 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾, I’m interested to know what’s the price range for a build like this one