2017 Ford F-650 with V10 Triton Review- 26ft U-Hual
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Another medium duty truck review! Here is a 2017 Ford F-650 with the 6.8L V10 Triton Gas engine which makes 362HP and 457ft-lbs of torque. Its mated to the Ford 6R410 TorqShift SelectShift 6-Speed Automatic. I averaged 7.4MPG which is frankly not good compared to the diesel trucks on my channel that return close to double that. Although it was to be expected with a gas engine of such displacement.
PROS:
Comfy Driver/Passenger Seats
Quiet
Smooth Ride and drives like a large van
Price
Starter sounds like it belongs on a Bugatti
CONS:
Fuel Economy (Realistically expect 7-8 MPG)
Can't pull into truck portion of truck stop because it runs on gas not diesel, the industry standard (Have to navigate the small gas station areas where cars pull through)
Pulling Power
Very Tight Cab (Cramped for 3rd passenger)
Mirrors difficult to adjust
My Opinion:
It was nice to get a pretty new truck from Uhuals fleet, but don't go in thinking you will always get a newer one as this is not always the case.They still have numerous old GM trucks still out there. They keep their trucks for a very long time. If I could describe the driving style of the truck it would be airy and anemic. The V10 is adequate for short moves and flat surfaces. If you are going over 100 miles or going through hilly areas I would strongly look into a diesel truck from Penske/Ryder/Budget. Brakes feel very car like and have quiet a bit of travel. It seems as though once the engine is running the auxiliary brake booster doesn't run at all. Uhual boxes are always top notch with there aluminum floor. The truck has a nice burning smell when under hard acceleration, typical of new vehicles. I have always thought that Lo-Pro 19.5" tires generally ruin the look of most medium duty trucks, and this truck is no exception. I would have liked to see Uhual keep the OEM one piece mirrors that come with these trucks, as the ones they put on are not great. The medium duty F-Series trucks seem to be a cost savings truck as much of the build is carry over from previous generations and products. These trucks have practically no resale value and is practically at the end of its operational life when U-hual retires them. Overall not too bad of a truck, but I think I would much prefer one of the diesel trucks from there competitors. Like these videos and want to see more? Please consider donating to the channel at goo.gl/bqcj6m to help fund more awesome reviews! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
The reason U-Haul and lots of other fleets spec the V10 is due to the nightmare that modern diesel emissions cause. The V10 has had more than 2 decades to have the bugs worked out of it and has been a pretty reliable engine since 2004. I managed a government fleet for 15 years, and when the 6.0 diesels were delivered in 2003 and 2004, the failures grounded our fleet. We had trouble renting trucks because the truck rental places were getting their ass handed to them with 6.0 failures as well. By 2005, we were switching to V10's, and we stuck with them through the 6.4 debacle as well.
The V10 is a thirsty slug, but it get's the job done. Modern diesels don't pull much better MPG than the V10, and when you figure the pump cost of diesel is about a buck more a gallon in many states, it takes a long time before the $9000 you spent on the Power Stroke to pay off. U-Haul doesn't buy the fuel, the customer does. U-Haul does have to maintain and service the truck though, and it doesn't take many $150 dollar oil changes and DPF cleanings to make the V10 the obvious choice.
Lots of people want the mighty Power Stroke under the hood, but honestly, you'll never be able to use all that power in a light duty truck, and there isn't many applications that would REQUIRE the torque and horsepower that it offers in a medium duty truck. The Power Stroke option feeds your ego and empties your wallet. I've seen the V10 in school busses and F750 garbage trucks. If it can serve a purpose in those applications, it can cross the continental divide with your furniture, mattress and a couple of boxes of china. Will it scream on every hill? Sure it will. Will you get there? YOU SURE WILL!
Thats a fair argument! A ton of the issues with these emission complaint trucks is operator error, and knowing Uhuals customers it is a good move to make there trucks as dummy proof as possible. And its funny to think just a few years ago they had diesel air ride stick shift trucks in their fleet. I have ran the numbers a few times and if you own the machine till about 150k its pretty much equal in cost through the life of either machine. After that point, resale values begin to change greatly, favoring the diesel. At the end of the day the V10 does get the job done, you just have to refuel a bit more often and wear ear plugs. We can thank out lovely government for ruining such great, reliable and fuel efficient engines.
Another reason for the gasoline engines is for maintenance. UHaul does majority of their work, and any Tom, Dick, and Harry can fix a gasoline motor on springs, so they don’t have to pay them as much, as opposed to the diesel mechanics at a certain rental company that have to deal with the intricacies of everything from a brand new Cascadia to a DuraStar to a Ford Econoline and back in a single shift, occasionally roadside in their service trucks. Uhaul has Fords and GM’s, all gasoline with one of three engines.
@@crazyjdkid U-haul hasn't had a stick shift vehicle in about 30 years. A diesel in about 20 years. E-350s were the last to use the diesel.
I can do you one better. Lots of those school busses run off of propane or more commonly CNG. Both of which are even CHEAPER than gasoline per gallon. We have a 650 shuttle in our fleet and while I still prefer the shuttles with the 6.7 Cummins ive been told that the propane V-10 by far is the cheapest bus to run at the cost of passenger comfort being that it sits on leafsprings instead of air ride.
Good job of covering the basics on this. I'm renting one in a few days to do a 3,000 mile round trip, and I feel better about it now.
As a diesel mechanic on a rental truck fleet I can attest to the horrors the def/scr systems cause. Any sensor misread, a clogged egr, low def fluid, or the driver farts in the cab the unit will go into de-rate slowing to 5mph (crossing Appalachia or the Rockies) . This makes for more tow and service call bills and trust me the wrecker services I talk with love $$ de-rated trucks.
Here is how I explain the insanity of it...
Problem? diesel emissions
Solution? Use diesel trucks to deliver ammonia and other hazardous chemicals to a few select plants to be added to de-ionized water bottle it in plastic jugs with plastic nozzles (petroleum). Now with the man power that drove their gas cars to work on the asphalt roads (petroleum). Load this 66% water on diesel trucks and deliver it to the far corners of North America and after you empty the def jug throw it away. Now I could write a book on every logistical and polluting aspect of this boondoggle but i kept it short.
I am not an ecowarrior, I am just pointing out all the fuel burned to solve one problem leads to a dozen others.
This system has also made the trucking industry one minute closer to catastrophic disruption because def fluid has a short shelf life and is a logistical nightmare.
Yes, I agree that it is very stupid. Especially when regening it just burns a ton of extra fuel to get the exhaust hot. And it's just converting it from one greenhouse gas to another. Fortunately most trucks do have in bulk at the pump.
@@crazyjdkid It is not so much about the fuel burned to regen as about how much energy (man hours and logistics) it takes for all the moving parts. I use def pumps at the local truck station but again it is about all the energy to engineer, build, transport, install, maintain and refill. These systems I believe will become obsolete within a decade. As far as I know nobody else worldwide uses these systems, in your position you may have other data. Thank for doing your part to try to better diesel technology. I hope my on the ground perspective is helpful.
@@patr10t762 Yep man! Your singing to the choir! Unfortunately, it is something our lovely government has forced us to do. Europe also has very similar standards and require the use of a DPF/SCR system as well, it's called Euro 6. The crazy thing is is that the after the 2014 emission standards gasoline engines produce a boat load more greenhouse gasses than the newer clean diesel engines. Yet, nothing has been done to better clean them up. I have seen it where in big cities the air coming out of the exhaust pipe on these clean diesels are actually cleaner than what is going into it. I think eventually we will get to the point where we will have engines clean enough to run without these systems, but only time will tell
@@crazyjdkid dpf scr systems work well on construction machines, this system doesn't work well on the trucks because at cruising speed it doesn't generate enough temperature for the catalyst system to work efficiently, but on the construction machines the engines work all the time high power and load turn to be beneficial.
Very informative. The main question I had about power outlets you answered.
Thanks for watching!
Could you get a few 0-60 clips in this? Ford V10's sound amazing!
I have 3 more videos of this truck coming! One of the videos is a driving video with a 0-60 full throttle late in the video so look out for it! I also have an exhaust sound video as well! I don't have the truck anymore as I was graciously given the chance to borrow it for a few minutes! But I have arranged for another truck here soon, it won't be a Ford though!
Ah okay.
I can certainly appreciate the Penske vs. UHaul argument. I’ve driven both (not a 26’ Uhaul yet, just the smaller ones, but next week I’ll be renting one to from NC to MA).
I think the V10 is a solid option. I’ve seen it in F350s outperform Cummins diesels with MPG’s while towing. Granted it was marginal but the fuel cost made the difference. They’re overly reliable and easy to work on, hence why they outlasted the other modular engines. They held on longer also due to the emissions stuff on the diesels.
I’ve always wondered, how many Penske diesels have emissions breakdowns mid trip for renters? Not saying it can’t happen to UHaul’s gassers, but it’s definitely less common. I’m thankful today that UHaul put a gas engine in the 26’ truck. Had a Penske 26’ rented next week but had to cancel and switch since the East Coast is experiencing a diesel shortage.
Relocating from WA to FL. Any lock recommendations, hoping to be able to sleep w/o worrying about contents being stolen. Thank you
We will continue to see the light/medium duty truck segment transition back to gas for all of the reason listed in this video (and more). Modern small diesels are too expensive/too unreliable. Plus with VVT, variable compression, direct injection, etc, gas engines are much more torquey and fuel efficient than before. Witness ford developing a new 7.3L V8 gasser for this truck line.
Once the government starts holding gas engines to the same strict emissions standards as diesels it will start to equalize. Carbon Monoxide and Non-Methane hydrocarbons emissions on gas engines are atrocious, almost 50 times more than a diesel. Gas engines can physically never reach the efficiency or power of diesel engines strictly because there is more BTU energy in a gallon of diesel vs a gallon of gas. That's something that cannot physically change. But I do agree with you that diesel engines reliability took a big hit in 2007 then again in 2010. While it has vastly improved since then, there are still issues to be sorted out. I think this will vastly improve over some more time. But ultimately I think both will be phased out for electricity given time, at least for the on road market. Unless we mange some kind of carbon capture.
I’m looking at this truck to buy for my moving business, any recommendations guys ? Is it a headache the v10 or a good buy for short distance moving jobs ? Appreciate your time and response 🙏🏻
They may not fix the damage to the trucks but they will definitely charge you if it’s damaged if you don’t buy the damage waiver.
Sorry if this is already been asked but we are driving from Kansas to Florida trying to decide between the Penske and the U-Haul 26 footer. My two main concerns are how smooth the ride is for my household items and will the U-Haul be able to drive 75-85 miles an hour? I know the Penske has a 75 mile an hour governor. Thank you for answering any and all these questions.
They will both ride about the same. All of uhual is going to be spring suspension, most of Penske is spring too but it's possible to get an air ride one. You can drive the uhual that fast but it will cost you an unbelievable amount of money for gas. The penske will get about 7-9mpg, the uhual at that speed your looking at about 4 mpg
There's several theories as to why Uhaul decided to go with gasoline for their entire fleet of motor vehicles, but sadly, I asked a rep in chat via their website last night while looking at prices for a potential move to Texas from Virginia (should I get the job I am in the interview stage 2 process for), and they said they weren't sure themselves.
One theory, outside of what I've seen others suggest here already, (though it could simply be a multitude of factors and not just a single one which went into the decision), is that Uhaul was worried that customers in the larger trucks could potentially forget that the truck runs on diesel, and subconsciously go to a gasoline pump to put gas in the tank (which itself would become costly for the company). But again, Uhaul won't clarify, so this is all just speculation.
nice vid :)
Thanks!
ur welcome :)
I NEED LED HEAD LIGHT FOR THIS TRUCK???
I assume gas engine is to minimize the possibilities users put gas into a diesel one.
Hey man, how’s it going? Lmao Great review I like the reviews you make. I agree 100% with you on U Hauls amazing trucks. U haul is extremely cheap but that works out for some people. I’m getting ready to move so I’ll probably just get a cheap smaller u haul. I’m moving into an apartment with my gf and we don’t have much to move from our old place.
I finally was able to get that 26’ Penske I wanted I had to complain to the manager about the guy who wouldn’t let me rent. It took literally 2 weeks and I got it discounted for my problems I made sure that guy got in trouble lol. I ended up saying forget the class B after all that trouble and got my class A. Now I work for TMC flatbed. I figured I could make way more money with a Class A. I was just nervous about getting it but it’s all said and done. Hope you’re doing well though.
It's going great man! Great to hear from you. Uhual does offer great prices and I love their trailers! Their smaller trucks definitely provide great value! I was helping a buddy move and that's how I got this one., your can haggle uhual down so much. This truck was like $30. Hate that you had to go through that with Penske but glad they worked it out. I have talked to a few of there cooperate people and they have always been very helpful. I would love to work on getting my class A. TMC has some really nice trucks, love how they are all black. Around here TMC is known as "Too Much Chrome" lol! As always thanks for watching and good to hear from you!
crazyjdkid Too Much Chrome lol I’ve heard a lot of em. Two Men Cuddling. Trucking Marine Corp. it’s a good start for me. Flatbed is pretty tough but it was the best company I could find that actually will get me home every single weekend and not lack pay. I did a lot of research and used to unload a TMC guy at Home Depot so he was my ticket in.
Yeah in about 2 weeks I’m going to rent from Uhaul I just need to more some stuff from bowling green Ohio back to Columbus Ohio.
And for that Class A I mean I was stressed about it but I just went for it. Most companies reimburse the money you pay for school and compared to my old job I make so much more. Near/around 60k per yr.
Yeah man, cant complain about a good job at all! You'll be rolling in a really nice truck, and flatbed gives a good mix of things! Haggle the crap out of Uhual. I've lived in Bowling Green a few years ago, they have a great Dairy Queen! Lol
crazyjdkid Yeah they do have a Dairy Queen, actually Bowling Green Ohio is rated in I think top 20 places in America or something like that. Good place but my friends and family live in Columbus and were much happier down there. More life more opportunities.
I’ll be in Atlanta tomorrow funny think I just got a load to there this afternoon.
Definitely a great place, but Columbus is nice as well! Bowling Green is kind of the middle of nowhere. I am a buckeye fan! I was in Atlanta this morning and now in Northern Massachusetts!
We’re currently driving a packed 26 ft U-Haul triton v10 towing a Ford Edge on a car carrier from VA to OR. We’ve crossed the Blue Ridge mtns to Louisville. Steepest grades slowed us to 50 mph but generally stayed at 60-65. No complaints, but what the heck is the black “M” gear, as in D “M” 2 1? There’s no info from U-Haul on that.
If I recall it had a button shifter on the gear lever that you could manually down shift or upshift. I would imagine in M you can shift the truck using that.
@@crazyjdkid thank you 😊 I figured it out eventually. I appreciate your reply.
What does your day
I would love to see one of these with a 7.3 gas engine in it
I would love to see gas engines in a truck this size disappear
crazyjdkid I remember long time ago they had diesel U-Huals but penske still does
Penske specs there trucks much better for the job.
I’m a technician for uhaul, we just got the brand new 26 foot trucks in and I can confirm they have the 7.3 gas.
I figured they’ll be putting the 7.3’s in now that the 6.8’s were discontinued entirely by 2021. The 6.8 is a workhorse, can pull a house down but can’t pass a fuel station. I’m hoping the 26’ truck I’m renting next week is new enough to have the 7.3 in it, but I know I’ll be just fine with the 6.8
Actually Penske has a handful of Fords floating around. Similar spec, but is higher, bigger tyres, and factory Ford mirrors. Never gotten a straight answer as to why we have them, but our district only has two.
I have seen a couple around here and have seen a video of a few being delivered. I'm not too big of a fan, but the ones Penske specs look much better. It's a cost saving measure for sure.
crazyjdkid to order such a limited amount of one truck hardly makes sense, especially with the V10. Being the only gasoline 26 foot, now the mechanics need to know how to fix those too. For simplicity i would have spec'ed them with the PowerStroke and air package, but the ones who order them don't drive them.
crazyjdkid my major complaint about them (especially with U-Haul's half-assed maintainance) is they can't stop for crap, especially loaded. Hydraulic brakes on large trucks has a good bit to do with it (Penske's Internationals with hydraulic brakes have the same problem to a lesser degree) but putting the pedal to the floor, they gently slow, in no particular hurry.
Yeah the brakes were very squishy and the brake booster didnt run at all with the truck running. On the Internationals the hydraulic booster made the brake pedal rock hard and ran frequently, which I preferred. Office people dont always understand what is going on in the field when they make there decisions.
3:10 last time I was in one of these it had double the springs witch made it insanely uncomfortable to be in. These are extremely painful to ride in especially if u need to take a piss. The vibrations from the road make it many times worse
I find it interesting that Ford refuses to get back into the over-the-road truck market, yet they will sell you an F-650/F-750 (which are considered medium-duty Class 6 and 7 trucks) built to Class 8 road tractor specs. It's also kind of ironic that the 6.8L V10, which was the biggest gas hog (and probably the biggest headache) of the Triton series engines, is the only one still in production. Considering the size and intended use for the F-650/F-750, I'm surprised Ford hasn't just dropped the gas engine option yet. Regardless, I still think the new body style F-650/F-750 are pretty cool. I'm not a fan of the older ones though...my uncle has one with a 5.9 24-valve Cummins and it just seems cheaply built.
Once Ford sold Sterling to Daimler they got out of the over the road trucks. They had a really nice school bus platform too they sold off and I guess promised to not make anymore. The whole Triton family share a number of issues like firing off spark plugs, and of course just like with the 6.0L Powerstroke you have to create a class action lawsuit to get them to do anything about their poor engineering. Ford has too many customers still buying the V10 to stop producing it. Its a cheap, disposable, relatively reliable contractor grade engine. Rumors have it though they have a 7.0L V8 coming out soon to replace it. But a gas engine really shouldn't be in a a truck this size unless its running on a gaseous fuel, its just wasteful. I like the look of these trucks with certain spec's and others just look horrible. Like our Interstate Batteries truck around here has a great looking brand new F650. The older trucks were actually made with a joint venture with Navistar, so they share a lot of stuff with the International trucks. Thanks for watching!
The 6.8 is basically just a 5.4 with two more cylinders. I like the 5.4 in my truck, but I had to do a lot of work to it to get it there (spark plugs, coils, intake manifold, etc). I haven't heard anything about the 7.0 V8 yet, curious to find out more about it. I believe these trucks were built in Mexico up until the current generation came out.
Yeah they are all part of that modular family. I had one a while back in a round body style Ford. I think Ford has worked out a lot of the issues. Yeah they were made by the Blue Diamond Truck venture with Navistar in Mexico.
@@crazyjdkid Ain't nobody trying to pay Diesel fuel prices in a Uhaul.... On the flip side it's a money grab, line pockets keep the economy going.
@@Davis2920022001 Don't look at the price of one gallon, you need to think of the price over a period of length. Say your going 300 miles, and the gas Uhaul gets 7mpg and the diesel Penske gets 11 mpg. Thats 43 gallons of gas or 27 gallons of diesel. That's a pretty big price difference the more you drive! And that assumes that they always get those number, and we all know that the diesel engine holds those numbers under heavy load much better than a gas.
Well remember, the 6.7 is a straight 6. The Triton is a V10 (two banks of 5). I also presume they take a hit on weight rating due to the low profile suspension. The major companies have large trailing link air ride with large bags. These have a couple leaves (I wouldn’t be surprised if they were flipped). GVWRs for this series are up to 31,000, with super duty suspension getting you up to 37,000. Strangely enough, that rating is not attainable with the air suspension. As well, the brake release really doesn’t get any points over competition, if you’ve got three people in the cab, you still have to reach over the guy in the centre to release the air brakes.
The 6.7 power stroke is a V8 while the 6.7 Cummins IS an in-line 6
Lmfao
Uhaul intends to take the hit on GVWR to make their entire fleet under 26000 lbs so they’re not CDL required.
You can spec the medium duty with a 37,000 lb GVWR with air suspension. Buy an F750 tandem drive. We have 10 of them.
Most likely the lack of go power is from lack of gearing. Most rental companies gear their trucks very high for highway use. The gas engine was revamped in the late 2000s to a 3 valve design. For trucks with shorter duty cycles and lots of idle time the gas has a lower cost of running. The new modern diesel engine emission systems dont take kindly to stop and go driving or lots of idle time.
Yes that's true they do hear them for highway! I have had trucks geared for city too! The Freightliner I had was geared for city driving with 5.11 rear end gearing and it was a rocket! The bad time for diesels was 2007-2010, that's were they were very sensitive to idle time and stop/start. But the newer, more recent ones that can actively regenerate don't really have these issues much anymore. Obviously when compared to a gas engine it will have greater issues, but compared to what existed previously we have come a long way. Yeah supposedly the 3V gave a big boost of power, but in the end it's still a very dated engine that could use modernization! Thanks for watching!
High gear ratios are smaller numbers or short gears. Like 2:73 or 3:23 etc. Lower gear are higher numbers or tall gears like 4:10, 5:11, 6:1 etc.. These are trucks, their made for hauling not speed. Rental companies don't order fast vehicles. I driven some of these and your lucky to hit 75 going down hill on Montana passes!!! Their usually governed. The gas engines always waste the diesel ones going up hill!!!
Does it come with a manual transmission option?
No
@@crazyjdkid oh shoot
Definitely a replacement for the older GMC C6500 trucks That were last produced in the Years 2006-2009. Been on the predecessor 26 mover truck It does does the same way as this one with a GM Big block gas engine. But on the other hand will lose out to a GMC C6500 or a 2006-2015 F650 Diesel engine trucks owned by Penske budget and Enterprise for long distance moves because you're paying $700 less For diesel as opposed to getting more on gasoline.
Imagine this thing with muffler delete.
U just hear a v10 and it sounds like a viper or something than u just get passed by a uhaul
Uhaul uses gas trucks because you can't fit a diesel nozzle in it, but you can fit a gas nozzle in a diesel. People would put gas in their diesel trucks otherwise
This is not the case for there larger vehicles because they use saddle type tanks under the steps. Those tanks have the same size opening as the diesel would.
2:05 the skirt is so the wind doesn't snap your steering wheel into a ditch
That skirting doesn't serve much other purpose besides trying to improve fuel economy. The truck is very tall, if the wind wants to take it, it will. Most other companies don't have this skirting as MPG is not as big of an issue with their trucks.
crazyjdkid that’s been u-haul’s answer for years. Honestly once you get into medium and heavy trucks you don’t care about your fuel economy enough that the skirts matter. It’s a customer gimmick.
If I get more than 8 MPG I’m pleasantly surprised. If I get about 5 it’s because I’m loaded. If I get worse than 5 then I’m just heavy and I’m glad I have the size so I’m not making a million trips.
@@jessaryenterprises I’m a kid? I thought I ran a commercial fleet. I’m retiring in 6 years. But hey, maybe I’ll have enough time to start another business and see about retiring again.
@@roundsm18 I think I was referring to crazyjdkid’s video. Not your comment.
@@crazyjdkid You need to open your eyes and take a look at at the vast majority of semi trailers these days that have the same effect mounted to their trailers!!!
How many feet is the box
The box from from to back is 26ft 5 inches. But you dont get to use a good portion of it because 3 ft of it is the space above the cab. Thanks for watching!
Thxs
My dad car have the same chime sound
Ford uhaul trucks was the truck insurance debated
I agree how can you not tell the difference between a diesel and a gas and if they did have it uhaul would put a big ass sticker saying diesel only
Silly skirt for silly fuel economy gains
The final 's' in chassis isn't pronounced.
I know, I just needed to throw in something for the grammer warriors.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that caught that!
Good example of why I never even considered a U-Stall in my truck buying adventure. Definitely couldn't have the truck humps in the back...I mean Really !? Love my International compared to that, any day !
Yeah they are annoying! And they are only there because they feel the need to use a lo pro chassis. I picked up a U-Hell today to go 800 miles, brand new truck but didn't have cruise control. I was livid! Thanks for watching!
Lift the box, remove covers, patch floor.
Or remove box, install a normal box instead of a low deck profile box.
@@roundsm18 Or, build a floor that matches the height of the wheel wheels. They only stick up like 4" or so!!!
It's not the additional 9 k for diesel it's the maintenance and expense to fix when newer diesel breaks down. Uhaul does car what it cost for fuel , you are paying for it when you rent. Over 20k to install 6.7 diesel engines at dealer
Not true at all. Penske vs Uhual, the are almost identical price to rent. I rent a huge amount of them for the channel. Uhual is just a cheap company.
I noticed that you said this doesn’t get the same fuel mileage as the diesel is that you have reviewed and somewhere else in the comments you mentioned that this gets roughly 7 1/2 miles per gallon compared to a diesel that will get 11 miles per gallon.
Please tell me where there is a U-Haul that would be getting 11 miles per gallon with a Diesel engine.
Also, please tell me where you are getting double digit miles per gallon when you are hauling something with a diesel pick up. You aren’t. I have recently spoken with quite a few different owners of diesel pick ups and they are telling me that they are not getting very good fuel mileage at all and nothing compared to what they were told from the manufacturers.
I understand unloaded you’re going to get better fuel mileage with the diesel but you have to keep in mind that you are hauling around an extra 2500 to 3000 pounds with a big cargo box on the back all the time and overall additional weight of the larger truck frame so your fuel mileage is never going to be close to the same.
Also, it actually does come out to be a better deal overall in the end for Uhaul. There is less maintenance and when there are breakdowns, it is going to cost a lot less for them than compared to a diesel.
Anymore, diesels just are not worth it. I understand that the power is not quite the same but don’t knock the V 10 power. It does pretty well considering what it is. Plus, it’s not like you need to go 80 mph or faster in one of these big U-Haul‘s anyway. If you can get up to 70 mph, you would be doing very well. 60 to 65 mph is plenty.
If you do the comparisons, the diesel engines take roughly 3 times the amount of oil in the filters cost three times as much so when it comes to doing oil changes, the cost is going to be significantly higher. Sure, you can actually extend the oil change interval by a few thousand miles but it’s not like you are tripling the amount of mileage in between when comparing it to a gas engine or the V 10 specifically.
And again, if you have a major problem such as a high-pressure oil pump or a few injectors or a turbo or something else major, the parts cost alone in a diesel is typically 2 to 3 times the cost so everything goes up overall with the diesel.
First off thanks for watching, I appreciate it. My channel has a number of different trucks on it that would be comparative in class to this machine. I am not comparing it to pickup trucks, I compare it to other Class 6 trucks. Pickup trucks are irrelevant, as you stated, because of the completely different size and shape of the truck. The truck I am most comparing it to is the Freightliner M2 with a 240hp Cummins6.7L and a 26ft box (Theone featured on my channel), which is a rental vehicle you can get at the same price from all of Uhuals competitors. The truck got 11 mpg, and that was manually calculating it and filling the tanks to the they essentially overflow. This Freightliner also scaled in at a much higher weight than the F650 did because it was a normal profile chassis, lift on the back and air brakes. As per the maintenance, the easiest way to compare oil change intervals is in a school bus application. The Blue Bird Vision, a school bus which offers both a Ford V10 Trition and a Cummins 6.7L as an engine option and would always be considered a severe application. The oil change interval in it for the Ford V10 is 5,000 miles (7 Qts) while the interval for the Cummins is 20,000 miles (21 Qts). So you are actually correct that we are not tripling the mileage, we are actually quadrupling it. Its worth stating as well that the labor for 4 oil changes will probably end up costing more than just one. I do agree with you that parts are much more expensive though, that said the V10 has a warranty period of 100,000 miles while the diesel has a warranty period of 250,000 miles. All things considered its probably a wash between them. As someone who is going to rent a truck like this and have no maintenance obligations why would one choose to spend more feeding a thirst under powered (when compared to the competition that is the same price) V10 when they can get a much better diesel truck? The rental customer is just fueling it and driving it, they do not see any maintenance. Uhual gives the customer the short end of the stick with mileage, while it's competition prefers the buy once cry once and sell after 3 years method while giving the customer better mileage and a more powerful truck.
Penske diesels get 13-15 mpg
Never been a fan of UHAULS 26footers.
I prefer to have a Diesel for trucks of this size.
Think of it from U-Haul's perspective. Most drivers are used to buying gasoline.
UncleSam13 I can understand that from the company’s perspective. But as a commercial driver when I need a truck this size diesel is the way to go.
Well said. If you look at some websites who rented a 26 Uhaul vs a 26ft Penske or Budget long distance move Uhaul will have costed more to refuel but the Penske or Budget cost less than a Uhaul F650 because diesel has more energy in it than Gasoline.
I have moved both with u haul and Penske.
Hands down the Penske was cheaper.
The next time for the cost of the uhaul I rented a tractor and 48’ trailer and just made sure I had hours left on my logbook.
roundsm18 . Same I always rent a commercial Penske truck and make sure have log book hours just to be safe.
The reason for gas is the maintenance. And they are cheaper. Plus most people like you, a city kid, are used to filling up with gas. So that’s why they have them with gas.
Excellent comment!!! I wish I could love it like on Facebook lol!!! I've watched a couple of your videos about your ex-U-haul truck and loved those videos!!! It actually inspired me and I'm thinking of going the same route and finding a box and raise it up to dock height and do Amazon Relay!
Actually the Visions with the V10 get respectable mileage.
So I have heard! But I have only heard from people running them empty and in flat landscapes, like in Texas. Gasoline engines by design are inherently more inefficient than a diesel engine. And don't handle grades or loads as well. When under load they tend to consume large amounts of fuel, and this V10 is no exception.Feeding 10 cylinders a less power dense fuel at high RPMs vs 6 cylinders with a higher power dense fuel under lower RPMs. The only reason a district would choose this engine is to save initial costs. There are no environmental benefits to running the V10. I think the engine would be best suited in extremely cold applications like way up north, otherwise I think Diesel still has the upper hand! Thanks for watching!
They are choosing them for the ease of maintenance, lower maintenance cost, cheaper repair costs and less downtime vs the Cummins.
You bring up a very good point. I think the bulk of that is with the emissions systems on today's diesel, especially the earlier ones. They have gotten better for sure, although still not perfect. Some of the maintenance is debatable, the Triton has a 7.5k miles oil change interval while the ISB has a 15k miles. You tack in all the other things in the equation like resale, fuel mileage, maintenance etc and it gets very confusing. I would love to see a spreadsheet depicting 2 fleets one has gas and one has diesel and see the lifetime cost. Thanks for watching
I've never heard ANYBODY say "chassis" like that. Is that a Canadian thing or does somebody just need to read more books?
If it had a turbo then in it would be more efficient and more toquey
Possibly! But turbos often times have a tendency to make engines quite thirst as well. And an engine this dated would struggle to get much better than it does mpg wise. The 3.5L Ecoboost for example, with 2 less cylinders than the 5.0L it should be significantly more efficient. But it's not, it's ever so slightly more efficient. There isn't really an MPG payoff, but there is a slight power increase though!
I won’t rent a 3/4 or larger truck if it isn’t diesel. Gas use is through the roof if I tow.
Very true! Although high rental prices for short trips can counter the higher fuel price. Thanks for watching!
I’d get an F750 with the 6.7L Powerstroke with 330 HP AND 725 lb-ft of Torque
Cool! I have never been too big of a fan of V8 diesels, but the 6.7L Powerstroke seems to be a great engine!
Took one of these thru a mountain pass. Not enough power, it was actually scary I couldn’t get above 30 going up the hill, they should at least have diesels in mountain regions, if I was towing I do not think I would have made it up.
You have no idea what underpowered is
The Cummins, or the powerstroke wouldn't have done any better.
The reason U-Haul puts gasoline engines in their trucks is because 90 plus percent of drivers in this country who would rent a U-Haul have never driven a diesel powered vehicle. They know gasoline engines, and they are comfortable with them. U-Hauls claim to fame is that they are easy to operate and are as close to the car or truck that you normally drive to be comfortable for do it yourself movers. Why did you rent a U-Haul with a gasoline engine if you love penske's diesel trucks better? Maybe you should have rented a Penske.
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Man that is a tiny ass motor for that monster thing I mean fuck man they put a 8.4 liter v10 in a Dodge Viper look how tiny that is lol crazy right
Fun facts. U-Haul only uses gas trucks because of cost for the customer, Diesel is 30-60 cents more expensive than gas and they are concerned about the diesel smell ( you don't want your stuff smelling like a big rig if there was an exhaust leak into the box) . U-Haul is all about "family moving" unlike the competitors who strictly are "freight" trucks. U-Haul is all about how a typical family would move, your average joe does not need a huge freight truck that's large and hard to move stuff in and out of. There are many plus sides to a U-Haul, lower and more economical, lower price and family oriented average American house hold mover. I just was in a brand new 2021 E-Series U-Haul and it has the new 7.3 V8 which is nice ( I would be interested to see MPG in this new engine ).
Tip, rent during the week as weekends add .10 per mile (usually, some places might differ). Make sure to reserve your U-Haul to avoid any complications.
This statement shows exactly why Uhual gets customers, from a misunderstanding of diesel engines by the general populations. You are correct in that diesel is more expensive, but they also get potentially more than double the fuel milage as a gasoline model. So diesel would always win that argument, there is more BTUs in a gallon of diesel than gas. Chemistry that cannot change and would always be cheaper to the customer use a diesel over gas, I have proved that in other videos in my channel as well. To address your second concern of smell, modern diesels since 2007+ produce equal if not less smell than a gasoline. They are equipped with filters and SCR reactors to treat the exhaust to actually make it cleaner than a gas engine of the same displacement.Even if they did smell, its in a box you would not smell it at all within the box, like moving companies have done for years. Length wise a 26ft Uhual truck is going to be the same length as a diesel 26ft truck from another company. While I appreciate your comment please have experience with both if your going to make baseless claims of why one would be better than the other.
The reason for the dog house being big is because of someone bought this truck and wanted to do a engine swap or a different transmission, they have the room too.
Penske still better every way 🤷♂️
This is why I don’t like Uhaul. They rent out gas trucks.
Yeah I certainly like other products. But for some this truck fits there needs perfectly and that's why I covered it. Thanks for watching!
It prevents the users from putting the wrong fuel in. Try to fit a diesel nozzle in a gasoline tank ;)
Michelin tires are Way overrated. Actually terrible tires. For hd use anyone will be much better off with Good Year. Keep in mind the reason you see tire brands on new or many fleet vehicles is due to cheaper purchase cost, often along with discounts for promotion by the tire manufacture.
The triton V10s sucks ass
No it doesn't there are millions of them running around so they must be good