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JD next week: "Why Xbox is more relevant than ever and why I sold my OLED Steamdeck." I'm kidding though, I'm the same damn way.
Click baiter
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Portability has become a HUGE factor for a lot of people. Some weeks ago I bought my first Steam Deck as well, and I cannot regret it. It's mindblowing which games I am able to play literally anywhere.
I am LOVING that part of the Deck
In one video: "Xbox Series S is where it's at!"
In this video: "You know what's no longer relevant? The Xbox."
Lol XD come on man
Was that video when I was not even looking at PC gaming? I am exploring all things in gaming. If you are looking for an XBOX only channel I would suggest Xbox ready. Also if you watch the WHOLE video you will learn why I say that. Title and thumbnail are used to interest the viewer, video is used to satisfy that interest. It's a long one so I suggest a cup of coffee
I don't usually post but just wanted to say awesome video. I love the tone, humility, sense of curiosity, and interest in revisiting past statements or assumptions. I think most people are more interested in maintaining a narrative than they are about continual learning and I admire that. I'll be following this journey and look forward to the content!
I’ve wrestled with this thought also: I was playing MW3 Zombies with my friends on Series S last night and was really chilled out - especially after a long day. If I had a dedicated PC I don’t think I would be there using a mouse and keyboard when I just want to relax and that to me is part of the console experience. As much as I want to build a PC and move there full time I don’t feel like you’re getting that easy going feeling you would get with Console. Maybe I’ll just have my Asus Rog Ally be the minimal PC experience for now (which is ny first gaming PC also lol).
I wonder how long Xbox will be irrelevant this time before walking it back. Again.
With a PC it seems redundant
Ever heard of optimization? PC is most always poorly optimized and very dependent on your specs. Hell, some games dont even release day one on PC. @julienmelnick
@@julienmelnick It’s a redundancy that dates back to the Xbox One era.
Dawg lol how much coffee do you drink lmao
1-3 a day depending on if my kid sleeps through the night
Steam Deck (and PC in general) is quite a strong choice for the financial responsibility aspect since you don't have to pay for online services and games are typically way cheaper on sales. Steam Winter sale starts soon... Tomorrow actually, I think. Most of the money you end up spending on gaming goes to the games anyway, the hardware isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Who are you trying to convince? No PC can run RE4 remake 4k60/120fps like series X for $500. And with the current discounted $350, you're an idiot if you suggest someone go buy a PC this holiday if they want current-gen gaming.
Most gamers only buy a few games every year. That's why the publishers and retailers all fight for Holiday money because they know most gamers don't go around purchasing a dozen or two video games every year, even with holiday discounts. People know it's cheaper to go console.
@@chex4214 What are you on about you schizo? Literally everything uses FSR or DLSS these days. 4k120 FPS on mid range graphics hardware is not that surprising. Not gonna look very good, though.
Never seen your videos before but watched this and it resonated, pretty much went through the same thing about a year ago and i can tell you ive been back and forth between PC and PS5, in the end you just accept them both, both have awesome experiences on the same games etc, most of the time i buy games on both and jump between them. Steam deck was also my gateway to it. Now play all multi plats on PC just for the res and fps bump, exclusives are exclusives.
I agree that you don’t need it but I love mine…. I like it as an entertainment hub for apps, DVDs and of course game pass.
totally fair man. I am not saying its a bad console. It just becomes redundant
How can PC take over when it's always been on top man. Weird question
I think it's important to ask yourself what kind of an experience you want to have with gaming on your PC. For a lot of people (myself included) it's consolidation: having a device that you can use for work, personal stuff, and gaming; but that has a drawback: you're going to need to start troubleshooting because when these things overlap, it causes problems. If all you want out of a gaming PC are the games with more fidelity and framerate with little fuss, you might want to wait until Valve releases Steam OS for general installs. Yes, you can get HoloISO or Chimera OS, but those are going to be tedious and may give you a sour taste. Or you could go the Windows route, which has its' own issues with gaming but you get to play some of the games with deep anticheat support like Valorant/LoL.
For me, PC gaming is about respect. A good PC game is one that respects that you want to control your experience and will do what it can to accommodate your preferences. A good PC is one that will let you use the hardware that you prefer, from core components to accessories. The games that tend to peeve PC gamers are the ones where there are no options for graphics settings, controls, or mod support. There is a steep learning curve though, but once you get past it, it can be deeply rewarding.
Outside of modding certain games, I haven't experienced any "learning curve" in the past 11-12 years of solely PC gaming (ok I have a Switch but that's besides the point) outside of the in-game graphics menu which isn't "steep". And that graphics menu balancing act of frames vs graphics effects is a thing if you have a mid/low-end PC, which fair point, many do. But it's worth mentioning those with high-end setups just pick the highest preset and you're off to the races. But for mid/low-end gamers, once you dial in the graphics in 1, 2 or 3 games, you really get the hang of it. It's not a steep learning curve by any means.
Now have there been games that have released in a poor state? Yes, and they also get blasted in the Steam reviews nor should you buy them, but even with that subset many are updated. But in the past 11-12 years, aside from 7 or 8 (mostly online games pulling down servers) games, my 900+ library works without issue. Many Unreal Engine (UE) 4/5 games in the past 2 years or so have shader/traversal hitching (consoles also get traversal hitching and resolution drops) and some people are distracted by these while others aren't. High-end hw for sure mitigates it but there's no fixes. It's essentially Unreal not doing the legwork and then developers not picking up Unreal's slack. It's an engine issue though in UE 5.3 some of those issues have been addressed, and UE 5.4 these issues should be minimised. But point being, that issue is not as Digital Foundry repeatedly said, fixable by the user.
With my high-end rig and Steam Deck (due to its fixed hw spec it's able to download precompiled shaders alongside the game) I'm not sensitive to it, but for those particularly sensitive, your options are consoles (which also have traversal stutter and DRS resolution drops, just not shader ones); editing text files outside of the game isn't even on an option. You gotta forgive me, but I find it hilarious when people equate PC gaming to needing to edit text files in say, every 1 in 5 or 10 games. If you're doing it right, you're trying to optimize a pre-2021 game for a mid/low-end rig, which is one way of approaching it, just as not approaching broken games is. As mentioned, I've never edited files outside of modding. But recently even with modding I usually take shortcuts such as Steam Workshop (making downloading mods as easy as downloading games), or if the game doesn't integrate Workshop, going with a mod installer like Vortex instead.
yeah, it's that "learning curve, patience, multiple things could go wrong, interfaces, more expensive, etc" that I'm not willing to put up with on PC gaming... just not for me. Just like when I was a kid turning on that original Atari or NES... then I'm in the game in 5 seconds... that's what I want.
@@TheActs2021 I get your point, but you're also coming at this as someone who is fairly well versed in using a PC to begin with. If someone is used to using a Mac and game consoles, jumping to Windows or Linux is a huge change.
While I agree that if you have mid-high end hardware, it's pretty much click to go, when you have a problem, it's up to you to figure it out. There's no support outside of Reddit and forums, which can really be a turnoff for a lot of people.
@@Omonarc Agreed
I own 2 gaming PCs and 3 Xbox Series X.
Gaming room: My PC + desk, console + couch
Living room: Wife's Xbox Series X
Office: Wife's Gaming/Work PC
Bedroom: Xbox Series X for late night gaming
I use them all depending my mood
The Xbox series x is on sale for 350$ at Walmart and it has a gpu that’s equivalent to a rtx 3060ti. I don’t know anywhere you can buy a pc with a rtx 3060 for 350$
Just ordered my second Steam Deck after being forced to sell the first one for reasons out of my control and I can't wait honestly. I'd try to not limit yourself to what is available on the Steam store, the world of emulation is a huge dub for a device like this and would allow you to revisit classics that aren't available anywhere else but also at a higher resolution and in some cases with mods!
I have both. Mainly use the pc but the Xbox is nice for a few reasons. 1, bad pc ports. 2, when I want to try some random game pass game and don’t care for performance or want to tinker with settings 3. My family prefers consoles and 4. Split screen Halo! MCC doesn’t have split screen on pc. Also 5, I play some older back compat games that aren’t on PC at all. Overall I agree though, unless things change the series X and One X in our house will be the last Xbox’s I buy for my own use. As of now I put the series X the family room and my office has the PC and One X with an SSD swap for back compatibility and Indy games on gamespass
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I had a Series X, it just sat there. I had a Steam deck TWICE and each time found myself when not traveling, feeling silly playing on a small screen when my PC is just in the next room. I also felt bad for the switch as it got no love. I have building and gaming on PC's since the early 2000's, the PC just does everything a Xbox does and more. If you have a great second hand market and know some people, building a PC is really cheap, I have maybe $400-$500 into mine and can keep up with newer AAA games, there's noting on game pass I can't play, I also have a Steam library and Epic to choose from. It's also GPU away from exceeding Series X/PS5.
The main issue I have with PC gaming is HDR... HDR support is still terrible on PC which is an issue if you have a mid to high end TV. I have a Sony A90J and whice my PC with a 3080 can push better textures and framerates, mist games look grayish and dull compared to consoles on my TV.
Me personally. I now have a gaming PC and a switch. And that's pretty much all I need. some PlayStation games are on PC, Xbox is on PC, emulators etc. It fits all of my needs personally. Nothing wrong with consoles at all just not for me
This is where I am. I ended up giving my PS5 away cause Sony 1st party did not interest me anymore.
I now have a PC, Switch, and Steam Deck (plus older consoles). This gives my wife and I the best of everything we want to play... How and when we want to.
I do love the 4k 60 fps experience from Xbox SX and PS5. I use a Mac for work and personal use so I'm not in the PC world. However, if the next version of the Steam Deck can match the performance of the Series X then I would consider just going with the Steam Deck due to the portability and dock-ability. I don't think I would have the patience or want to spend the time and money building a great PC anytime soon. I do have high hopes for the next version of the Steam Deck in terms of performance and most likely an OLED screen so I think I will pull the trigger eventually.
So when you setup your gaming rig & build it youll be pleasantly surprised how you can stream high fps games from your gaming rig to your Steamdeck also for those titles you want to run on it. Good to see you taking a like to it brother!
Steam takes a lot of complexity out of setting up a pc for gaming every game comes with a list of requirements that is listed at the bottom of each game listing just read that and look up what parts your pc comes with if it matches or if your pc exceeds the minimum than your good to go the exception is if the game is to old or in the game has special requirements like Baldur’s gate needing a ssd.
I really like the simplicity of it all
I had all 3 consoles and was down sizing to 1?
Ended up selling both switch and ps5
The Last 2 years I think I made the best choice for me.
From gamepass ultimate and just not having to spend a lot of money all the time like i did with the ps5.
I nohestly haven't even thought about the other 2.
Not having time for all 3 consoles, I can't complain.
Im sure everyone sees it differently? That is perfectly fine...
Do what's best for you.
I bet if you didn't have this channel, you wouldn't have an xbox console
I have the 3 also but I only like and play on my series S. And is much more budget friendly with it's gamepass
I have all 3 consoles and play them all. The big thing for me is they each have their own exclusives that I enjoy. And the Switch also just has that portability factor I also like alot...
@TheActs2021
Honestly, I don't have time for all 3. That's why I sold the other 2.
I'd keep them all if I had time for all 3.
@@chiefmegadeth yeah I really don't have time for them all either, but make a little bit of time for each LOL, or try to
I'm in the same boat. I decided not to get a Series console this generation. Tried to ride out my One X for a while ... and then my Steam Deck came into the picture and I did much of my gaming on that. Family got me a gaming PC generously for my 40th birthday also so that combo was pretty amazing. A docked Steam Deck that could also remote play that powerful PC totally has replaced my Xbox.
I've been doing this flip flop as well. I really wanted to dedicate my Nintendo Switch to be my cozy handheld device, but lately I found myself having to research the performance of games on the device before I purchased them and then the thought of, is my library even going to be available on the next console. I've been a Steam user for 12 or so years and knowing that I can go back and easily access my library even as my hardware improves is a W.
This title is almost humorous. I cut a deal to my buddy for my Series X once I got into pc gaming. I still have my PS5 and switch. I really enjoyed the Series X for the backwards compatibility and the come back to the game literally right where you left it. Rather than let it collect dust, I decided to get rid of it. Enjoy your content. Keep the videos coming while taking your weekends off buddy. ✌️
When it comes to value, consoles will ALWAYS obliterate PC gaming on hardware cost. As an adult with gaming as my primary hobby, however, I have more disposable income and can afford to pay more to get a "premium experience". Still, the ease factor of console gaming will always appeal to me no matter how much time/money I have. At 8 PM when my 1 year old baby is asleep, my wife is watching Bravo in bed, and all the dishes are done, it's much more relaxing to plop down on my couch and fire up a console than it is to sit upright at my desk, update my graphics driver for 15 minutes, update the game launcher, update the game, etc.
When I absolutely demand ultra graphics at 165Hz of course my PC is my only choice - but for comfy gaming after a long day? Console is still king.
TOTALLY !
Steam Deck is a great opportunity, value wise, to get into emulation as well.
And I sure as heck don't need a PS5, i regret buying that pos
Is it worth getting a steam deck for someone who has no intentions in getting a pc? I also own all three consoles
I just find the barrier to entry for PC gaming too much....Ok, now I have this sweet rig, but my keyboard is junk. Oh, my monitor is cheap and my chair hurts my back...ugh... I just plop down on a comfy chair and flip on the console du jour. Ahhh....
TOTALLY man
Some valid points. It's worth checking out PC gaming in a year or so. SteamOS has really shaken up PC gaming for those that picked up the Steam Deck, but for more widespread appeal, that'll happen in the coming year or two when it launches for other handhelds and more importantly desktop/laptop PCs. Console-style gaming with a controller on your couch, that can be continued on desktop, laptop or handheld and back again.
I mean it's possible between Steam Big Picture Mode and Steam Deck now, but Big Picture Mode lives on the Steam app on Windows and you might get the odd Windows pop-up once in a while requiring more than a controller. While that's improved over the years, SteamOS is now the last piece of the puzzle to really make controller-based streamlined gaming the norm.
The one part of PC gaming that I haven't notice you mention on your videos is the amazing MOD community that surrounds all of the PC gaming realm... You get so much more value over time with PC games. For instance, look at the value that has come out of the Half Life game alone... PC gaming community is to thank for that. You get one game you play it and then wait for the community to create the game they wanted.. or just take it further than originally intended... it's not even close. Console gaming allows you to play what the studio provides and then pay for DLC that you don't really want
I’ve been told that the experience on the PS Portal is dependent on the upload speed of the network your PS5 is on… your Ps ability to push out the game is more important than the Portals ability to receive it.
It's crazy the Xbox Series S is less expensive than a Steam Deck lol
totally
I've been a console user my whole life, but I just got the Steam Deck OLED and I'm in love. I've gotten so many games for a fraction of the price and I wont have to rebuy them again when I upgrade hardware. I wish Steam had an equivalent to the PS5/XBSX. I like Steam's implementation and the fact that I don't have to touch the disgusting mess that is Windows OS.
I own a PC and an Xbox, well two Xbox consoles. Yeah PC gaming is dope and all, but I'm not taking it or streaming it all over the house. I pay for ultimate anyhow so I figured I'd just go ahead and get an X + S to game all over the house. The two consoles don't get used a lot, but they have come in clutch a few times since owning them.
i have an xbox and a pc. reason being my pc is more budget, i can play csgo and some other games. but for way heavier games like apex or pubg, my pc cant handle it but my xbox series x runs them perfect.
I have a 2070 that i use to run old games and the series x to run newer games like Hogwarts, cyberpunk and the new call of duty
100% agree - since microsoft has been pushing Gamepass as their go forward strategy, the xbox console slowly grows ever more an entertainment box rather than a gaming box. So long as you are doubled up in the console and pc world - an xbox console is not needed. Not to say it can't be useful! The argument can still be made for a dedicated couch gaming alternative to your desk pc. If you game primarily through gamepass, you can realistically dedicate the majority of your gaming to the pc and have the xbox for more casual sessions or family nights, streaming apps, etc.
did you try streaming the xbox to the deck?
I will say I’m at the king of redundant right now…2x Gaming PC…Gaming laptop…Series S…and Series X 😅 I will say PC gaming does complement console gaming in a way…..performance PC all the way….simplicity Xbox…I have found myself playing gamepass more on console tho
Only thing I wish I had an Xbox for is halo. I’m strange and like fps games on controller it’s just how I grew up. I just don’t want an entire additional console for one game
Yea that does seem to be a popular one
But there is alot of good Halo out there... alot of Halo games I mean. So if you can say get a Series S on the cheap it might be worth it to you for just several Halo games. And I know Halo's 1 -5 you can get for $15 or less...
Fantastic video man apologises been abit long busy life anyways i absolutely agree playstation has always been in my heart i like xbox i still have mine but i just can't get myself to it gamepass is a big plus and the only reason i have xbox its just a side kick buddy ps5 forever for me it's just the way it is really good seeing you Julian ill try and stop by abit more happy gaming my friend
PC and PlayStation | P.C. for Xbox exclusive and PS for PS exclusive | any games that doesn't release on P.C. you can wait till they port it over or use PS for the console release. GTA6 for example.
As long as you get a good PC (performance wise) with quality parts that won't break, XBOX is redundant. PlayStation will soon be as more and more games come to PC.
Nintendo + PC is a great combo, I think.
It really is
I feel like you suffer from recency bias. The best option for you, seems to be whatever it is you are currently using. It’s okay to love them all, and have them all, Brotha. Lol
That may be true. Don't we all go through seasons though? Isn't Xbox leaving the console game and going service based in the future?
@@julienmelnick yeah I’m not bashing you brotha… just making an uneducated diagnosis ;)
@@julienmelnick so far as leaving… I think they are preparing for an all digital, all streaming future. I feel like they will stay in the market, so long as the market is there, but that they want to lead the future of gaming as a streaming service.
@@andyackerman7123 which for me personally I don't like... you'll never "own" any of your games again... which in the end I guess doesn't matter as we'll take none of it to the afterlife.
@@TheActs2021 that’s true, right now. At any moment, any of the devs, or console manufacturers, can take away your ability to play their games, with a “required” software update. Sorry.
Recently went back to Monster Hunter Rise on Switch. Played docked and it was so jarring at an unstable 30 FPS that I had to move to handheld. I agree with you, 30 FPS on a big TV just doesn’t cut it anymore. I have been planning a move to PC gaming as a focus as well after becoming a dad. Nice to see both of us see the light at the same time. Now I just gotta save up for a Steam Deck OLED!
I’m debating if I should have switch or Xbox series s if I have ps5 already
Have them ALL like me ;-)
I have an OLED switch, back in August I sold my Xbox One X and bought a PS5….now tempted to sell my switch or PS5 and buy a steam deck 😂. It’s because I’ve hardly played the PS5 and played more of the switch recently as I prefer playing in handheld mode, but the geek inside me would love to have something more powerful.
@@beaniemac83 get a Portal for your PS5 then :-)
I returned my series x and purchased a PlayStation. 5 slim. Honestly, I miss the series x, but I'm contemplating trading in the PlayStation for a Asus ROG Ally
I can agree that a PC Xbox combo is redundant. I get almost all of what's on Xbox plus PC games. Gamepass and Steam (with killer sales) and the Deck is a better way to go all around. If you are inclined to that. Some prefer just having a console for ease of use and convenience.
I feel the same, my two main modern gaming devices right now are a Series S and a Steam Deck and whilst the Series S is a better performer you lose so much when it comes to flexibility.
The only reason I use the Series S is for Fortnite! Everything else I play on Steam Deck. I can run Fortnite on the Steam Deck by booting into Windows but it's a faff, I don't like using Windows on the Steam Deck and the Series S runs Fortnite at 120FPS and the Steam Deck doesn't.
If I had to choose one, there's no contest! Steam Deck is WAY better value.
I don't think you are being heavy handed with it comes to Xbox, I think Game Pass and Xbox cloud gaming are here to stay. But perhaps the days of Xbox hardware are limited, I just don't see the need for the box, I really don't know what Microsoft consoles being that you can't get elsewhere.
PS: You are currently experiencing SteamDeck/SteamOS PC gaming, which is easier than Windows PC gaming :) Steam Deck is so pervasive that it is the only PC that devs specifically target and create specific stock settings for it. It's a blissful way to experience PC gaming.
I have a question. Do you like Xbox Series S 1tb black or Xbox Series X more?
I don't use an Xbox enough to justify a Series X
@julienmelnick oh ok thanks for the answer:) but the design from xbox series s 1TB black Edition is very great 😊
@@naber-1984 for me, if cost wasn't an issue, I'd take the Series X all day
Next question will be steam deck or mini pc?
tough one but I like the Steam decks portability
Steam Winter Sale enters chat.... 😅
all sales are good right now
The same goes for PlayStation. I have every Sony exclusive on my Steam deck and if I want to play it at a higher frame rate and a bigger screen and I'll just play it on a PC that's more powerful on my 4K monitor. That's where I have my Xbox connected to my series X so I could play at 4k 120. This is probably the last generation of a dedicated disc drive consoles. Maybe we'll have one more generation of dedicated consoles, but with Xbox Game Pass, there's really no need to worry about that. And with activation and blizzard being on Microsoft's team, that's going to change if you see the Sony leaks, they're more worried about subscription cells and they are console sales
Love my series s. But if you move to pc gaming then no, xbox console is not needed.
To me personally I prefer console don't get me wrong I used to be a PC gamer like to the core never even touched console then later on getting older u know I found the consoles are more suitable for me like Xbox for example u literally can do whatever apart from gaming
I love my consoles but I'm not going to lie ever since I got the legion go about a month ago. Give or take. That's the only thing that I play on now. I don't even bother to turn on my Xbox series. X or my ps5 not even my switch which is crazy cuz I'm emulating everything on my legion go it looks better lol. But yeah consoles are going to disappear really fast because I'm sorry but the handheld market is the future because
Now more than ever with everybody on the go. The only reason consoles are a thing is because to being able to play it on the screen but I connect my legion go to my LG OLED and it looks great. I have no complaints and it runs nice and smooth and I don't even have to use a dock. I can use a dock but I don't have to. That is the future so consoles. They really need to push hard because they're still a lot of games that I can play on PC on my legion go that are old school that are backwards compatible that you can't play on consoles anymore. Hell there's even games that were made at 30 frames per second on consoles but never got the bump up to 60. But on PC that's not a problem. And with the upscaling being so good they're really is no need to have any native 4k or anything like that. It's about to get real real serious and either Sony and Microsoft needs to step up. I need to get on board with the handheld market. Make something powerful enough that you could plug into your TV. Basically to kind of like a switch but just way more powerful to compete with the legion goal. The asus rog ally the steam deck because they're about to start losing a lot because I don't need my PS5 anymore. Spider-Man 2 is eventually going to come to PC by next year. I'm already playing Miles Morales on it. Running great than the original Spider-Man is great too
asus rog ally is better than steam deck, gamepass, epic, steam, amazon games. More choice, and dont forget multiplayer games online, steam deck is not compatible for the most part
More options for sure but it comes with some real drawbacks... battery life
I'm not a PC or Steamdeck player/gamer... so XBox all the way for me.
Xbox consoles are obsolete. Even an 800 gaming laptop will outperform it.
If you have
Steam deck
Switch
And PlayStation
You’re good. Throw a gaming pc or gaming laptop in and you’re set.
You are completely wrong. I got the Xbox series x for 350$ and it has a rtx 3060ti equivalent gpu. Tell me where you can buy a gaming laptop with a rtx 3060ti for even 500$?
Your Xbox is tethered to your tv and your wall. A gaming laptop has way more value. You can bring it anywhere, stream from it, etc. The Asus G14s are a killer deal.
If you’re happy with your Xbox, more power to you. Enjoy it.
@@gmoney0987yeah I’m tired of arguing in the comments tbh
@@gmoney0987happy holidays
one problem with PC gaming is PC ports. Lots of them are not optimized for PC and the console version is superior regardless of your PC hardware.
Doesn't that even out though?
@@julienmelnick Depends on the games people really care about. If they run better on console their choice is obviously console. Moreover, if a game runs better on PC the difference could be negligible. Developers also prefer to release a game for consoles first GTAVI is a good case in point.
You know its been a hell of a ride for me. I had series S for 10 months but decided to get a Ps5, but I just can't afford the games its too much for my pocket and their subscription is nothing compare to xbox. I got a decent Gaming Pc as my first priority. But for me I want something in my living room where i can have local MP with cousins and Series s serves that requirement for me without asking too much for me. and this dude is very Dicey he talks too much rather than playing games.
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@@julienmelnick I should’ve looked there first. Thanks