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  • čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
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    Here's an introduction to math rock! I'm giving my perspective of this crazy subgenre, a band/song that'll help you get into it, and some must-know bands as well. From American Football with Never Meant, to Don Caballero, Tera Melos, Toe, Piglet, and Polvo: this is math rock.

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  • @ahumblerequest5222
    @ahumblerequest5222 Před 3 lety +4169

    Math rock is just playing a catchy melody then never repeat it.

    • @matteovismara816
      @matteovismara816 Před 2 lety +221

      *cries in Never Meant guitar part*

    • @handlewith_care
      @handlewith_care Před 2 lety +11

      @@matteovismara816 HAHAHAHAA

    • @inkkles
      @inkkles Před 2 lety +155

      @@matteovismara816 a good distinction is that if they get a math-rock lick and repeat it over and over, its probably midwest emo

    • @ab8817
      @ab8817 Před 2 lety +16

      @@matteovismara816 American Football is an emo band. Theyre not math rock band. I dont know where this got started

    • @matteovismara816
      @matteovismara816 Před 2 lety +28

      @@ab8817 Wikipedia doesn't agree with you, but who cares really.

  • @ParzivalTheThird
    @ParzivalTheThird Před 5 lety +7823

    Funniest thing about Math Rock is that it’s probably really hard to concentrate on your Math homework whilst listening to it.

    • @caelb9764
      @caelb9764 Před 5 lety +224

      Tbh math rocked has helped me through hours of English assignments.

    • @ck88777
      @ck88777 Před 4 lety +138

      lol Im listening to math rock while doing math hw rn and its actually not that distracting. Kinda puts me in a concentrated trance

    • @implicitnoir
      @implicitnoir Před 4 lety +17

      I love your username haha

    • @lavun4175
      @lavun4175 Před 4 lety +19

      When I listen to it i enter this ultra flow state, doesnt really happen with other types of music though

    • @UndeadAlv
      @UndeadAlv Před 4 lety +11

      Lol I literally did 3hrs of homework listening to Americ anFootball

  • @Brakish33
    @Brakish33 Před 4 lety +3595

    If anyone wants to know the asian band he showed a million times but didn't mention, it's Tricot. I highly recommended them.

    • @sauzeeee
      @sauzeeee Před 3 lety +136

      Tricot is triGOAT

    • @wolfgangvonodio1097
      @wolfgangvonodio1097 Před 3 lety +52

      They are hands down my favorite.

    • @ChristopherGiroir
      @ChristopherGiroir Před 3 lety +23

      Thanks for making this comment!!

    • @kostiheikkinen2178
      @kostiheikkinen2178 Před 3 lety +34

      This really tickles that itch, thanks. Do they still do live shows? I’d love to go see them sometime soon if they do.

    • @Brakish33
      @Brakish33 Před 3 lety +15

      @@kostiheikkinen2178 they are still pretty active, you can find tour dates and music easily.

  • @spencerjohnson3572
    @spencerjohnson3572 Před 3 lety +336

    I discovered math rock by searching “math rock” on Spotify while my way to math class so I could listen to some playlist meant to get someone’s mind in the mood for mathematics. Never did I expect to actually find a sub genre of music.

  • @ooooswain
    @ooooswain Před 5 lety +4324

    My sister's English professor was the drummer for American Football

  • @connorlarkinbass
    @connorlarkinbass Před 4 lety +6187

    Math Rock = prog rock made by people who like what punk music is but don't wanna play punk music.

    • @JackStieben
      @JackStieben Před 4 lety +518

      connor larkin I’ve always said math rock is just indie rock played by musicians that can actually play their instruments

    • @soultheory8441
      @soultheory8441 Před 4 lety +98

      Jack Stieben I see what u mean but it’s all really subjective. But I agree, they use their instruments to the fullest

    • @neotim5
      @neotim5 Před 4 lety +27

      ​@@JackStieben I just thought of it as ''Ambiente Rock'' because of the missing vocals

    • @lunahetfield
      @lunahetfield Před 4 lety +39

      connor larkin o i thought math rock was about math teachers/professors making a rock song about math.

    • @elcriticohdp3785
      @elcriticohdp3785 Před 4 lety +47

      Is P R O G P U N K

  • @bongopod
    @bongopod Před 4 lety +950

    Covet is so underrated. Such a good band, Yvette Young is great.

    • @bongopod
      @bongopod Před 3 lety +5

      @Compass_- you got me, i'm a tier 3 yvette sub 😔

    • @anuvette
      @anuvette Před 3 lety +3

      @@bongopod me too

    • @juanvillanueva304
      @juanvillanueva304 Před 3 lety +9

      Yvette young is a goddess

    • @sou_desu8587
      @sou_desu8587 Před 3 lety +4

      @@sroofikaden2355 i think they're too overrated

    • @kunns123
      @kunns123 Před 3 lety +7

      @@xylo5750 make that 11 😤

  • @julesvrins9210
    @julesvrins9210 Před 4 lety +1119

    "we're going to listen to some iconic math rock songs"
    *Plays 2 seconds, making it impossible to even hear the odd time signature*

    • @wacknut7224
      @wacknut7224 Před 4 lety +80

      Copyright

    • @miserirken
      @miserirken Před 4 lety +39

      You can play 7 seconds of music before the copyright triggers (unless is a music juggernaut like, let's say, Kanye West or Radiohead).

    • @luc8254
      @luc8254 Před 3 lety +79

      @@miserirken yeah.. good luck trying to be on the edge of copyright strike and risking your channel getting screwed forever by receiving a strike.

    • @miserirken
      @miserirken Před 3 lety +6

      Again, it's in the actual rules you can play 7 minutes of any song, just big music acts break this rule, and i feel, exceptiong American Football, this is a safe topic for that.

    • @reanetsemoleleki8219
      @reanetsemoleleki8219 Před 3 lety +26

      @@miserirken how did 7 seconds become 7 minutes?

  • @KamilHenri
    @KamilHenri Před 5 lety +3082

    Great video, but why is Mac DeMarco playing when you could've played math rock in the background

    • @AlfoMedia
      @AlfoMedia  Před 5 lety +752

      I feel like there's too much going on in math rock for it to be background music

    • @alexanderlee896
      @alexanderlee896 Před 5 lety +23

      I agree no Mac

    • @loicpin2632
      @loicpin2632 Před 5 lety +85

      Take it sloooowly brother let it goooo

    • @monnos9579
      @monnos9579 Před 5 lety +144

      MATH de Marco

    • @Chris-yi6us
      @Chris-yi6us Před 5 lety +7

      @@loicpin2632 Let it gooooo now brother

  • @nickygmp_350
    @nickygmp_350 Před 5 lety +5536

    What if we kissed in the American Football house?

  • @PiyuEris
    @PiyuEris Před 3 lety +175

    Math as a school subject terrified me in highschool.
    Now as an adult musician, Math terrifies me as a rock subgenre

  • @sethcomeaux7697
    @sethcomeaux7697 Před 3 lety +53

    damn i thought they were gonna be singing about division and shit

    • @mankepoot9440
      @mankepoot9440 Před 3 lety +5

      Joy Division is definitely Happy Mathrock.

  • @NohStar
    @NohStar Před 4 lety +3116

    in england we say ‘maths rock’

  • @PermaGameReviews
    @PermaGameReviews Před 5 lety +3909

    “What is math rock?” *plays Mac Demarco*

    • @archivehans
      @archivehans Před 5 lety +17

      🤔

    • @nappyisanegatgrabingeatred7173
      @nappyisanegatgrabingeatred7173 Před 5 lety +94

      I know right? Bring me the horizon would of been more appropriate.

    • @bradmodd7856
      @bradmodd7856 Před 5 lety +51

      what we need is more bath rock...Mac's next album

    • @Farkprice
      @Farkprice Před 5 lety +50

      nappyisanegatgrabingeatred lasikopenvageearreddit I tried to read aloud your nickname when suddenly satan appeared and said he approves your idea

    • @quinnmarchese6313
      @quinnmarchese6313 Před 4 lety +18

      how can you even hear the mac demarco? the music, outside of the snippets is so low in the mix that its barely there at all.

  • @barbells_and_guitars
    @barbells_and_guitars Před 2 lety +46

    Toe is my favorite Math Rock band. Watching their live performances is also a great introduction to the genre.

  • @aquaenjoyer1612
    @aquaenjoyer1612 Před 3 měsíci +3

    i found this genre on a random 1 hour playlist on yt titled like "japanese math rock to listen while strolling around in the cherry blossoms" and ive been in love since. for me this songs literally feel like a day in summer going to the beach with your friends. also (for those who watched them) those songs reminded me of the film "your name" when they start comunicating with eatch other using the other body

  • @KodiakTeddy
    @KodiakTeddy Před 4 lety +1559

    i love indie rock and my friend heard a song in my car and said “oh sweet you like math rock” and my exact words were “nah i have an E in calc man”

    • @bbear3886
      @bbear3886 Před 2 lety +7

      Lmao

    • @mellot00th
      @mellot00th Před 2 lety +30

      how do you get an E is that even a grade or is that a horrible dad joke

    • @KodiakTeddy
      @KodiakTeddy Před 2 lety +14

      @@mellot00th This is an actual thing that happened and an E is a grade you get in updated public school systems. You must go to school where they still give out Fs and teach kids only to do whatever the bible says is okay.

    • @saulq08
      @saulq08 Před 2 lety +62

      @@KodiakTeddy that was an overly aggressive response, most schools don’t have E grade, i didn’t even know it existed until now

    • @jbthestoner5504
      @jbthestoner5504 Před rokem +36

      @@KodiakTeddy damn coming off classist asf, that was kind of uncalled for

  • @jessreinhardt4408
    @jessreinhardt4408 Před 5 lety +524

    I just discovered this genre, and never has any other kind of music been able to invoke the feelings that math rock can.

    • @Wylie288
      @Wylie288 Před 4 lety +6

      There are more feeling provoking genres out there.

    • @moofoogee
      @moofoogee Před 4 lety +114

      Subjective. If that’s what Jess feels then that’s what is right for Jess.

    • @victorfine5094
      @victorfine5094 Před 4 lety +20

      Griffin Cates simp but u rite

    • @crikeynate
      @crikeynate Před 4 lety +6

      i felt this when i first heard it. it was definitely what i’d been looking for. sounds weird but i felt like i was able to breathe when i heard it. enjoy it, its amazing music.

    • @soultheory8441
      @soultheory8441 Před 4 lety +13

      Victor Finé simp??

  • @haro_sama
    @haro_sama Před 9 měsíci +15

    So many Tricot vids but not a mention!! they are so incredible

  • @ckillgore
    @ckillgore Před 4 lety +79

    If someone wants to get into Math Rock I usually introduce them to King Crimson first to get them warmed up to some of the ideas that Math Rock was built off of. The thing about progressive rock is how it is always changing and evolving, and it's important, at least imo, to know what it's progressing *from*.
    I also personally think that Hella is a good entry point to the genre, but I'm very biased towards the works of Zach Hill. If someone is more into pop than heavier music, I will usually show them Bygones, which I would describe as Math Pop. I also like Zach because he takes his work in so many different directions. He kind of proves that there does have to just be math *rock*, and that the core tenants of math music can even be applied to genres like hip-hop.

    • @physchemmaths7917
      @physchemmaths7917 Před 2 lety +1

      What songs would you recommend from Zach?

    • @buffontoucher1312
      @buffontoucher1312 Před rokem +1

      @@physchemmaths7917 The Primitives Talk and Face Tat, although I love every single piece he has ever worked on

    • @no-lifenoah7861
      @no-lifenoah7861 Před rokem +2

      @@buffontoucher1312 does that include his work with Death Grips?

    • @buffontoucher1312
      @buffontoucher1312 Před rokem +1

      @@no-lifenoah7861 Had them as my top artist for two years, so yeah

    • @no-lifenoah7861
      @no-lifenoah7861 Před rokem +2

      @@buffontoucher1312 noided

  • @jennifert.4416
    @jennifert.4416 Před 5 lety +705

    yvette young and her band covet are nuts. sleepy dog's stuff is really fun and high-energy

    • @kalahne
      @kalahne Před 5 lety +24

      Oh MAN, Yvette young and covet are amazing!!!

    • @luiss428
      @luiss428 Před 5 lety +9

      covets amazing (as well as the raw guitar covers yvette posts)

    • @splatkirby6056
      @splatkirby6056 Před 5 lety +20

      Ay, Sleepy Dog! Love that guy

    • @okrlu8054
      @okrlu8054 Před 5 lety

      👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

    • @lainnislame
      @lainnislame Před 5 lety

      I love sleepy dog c: zzzzz

  • @GoldenBoyDims
    @GoldenBoyDims Před 5 lety +1422

    >has tricot in the video, ends up not recommending tricot

    • @UsingNinjutsu
      @UsingNinjutsu Před 5 lety +74

      lol i was waiting for him to mention them the entire time

    • @cremat
      @cremat Před 5 lety +17

      YEAH WHAT

    • @juliangonzalez2953
      @juliangonzalez2953 Před 5 lety +40

      By far the best band in the genre imo

    • @poepunk
      @poepunk Před 5 lety +34

      Check out Elephant Gym as well

    • @GoldenBoyDims
      @GoldenBoyDims Před 5 lety +5

      @@poepunk thats another good band a big fan cause of the lead singer is the bassist and im biased to the bass

  • @jonathanacevedo4335
    @jonathanacevedo4335 Před 3 lety +20

    I’ve been listening to Math Rock for almost a year and didn’t even realize until now

    • @gecko4878
      @gecko4878 Před 3 lety

      I'm pretty sure that is just progressive rock

  • @illusory7862
    @illusory7862 Před 4 lety +77

    You had me at emo jazz. Could have just cut the video there and I'd be sold.

    • @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844
      @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 Před 3 lety +3

      Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.

  • @meymes3655
    @meymes3655 Před 5 lety +492

    *Gives snippets of math rock songs so that the viewers can begin to understand what math rock is
    *Makes the snippets too short to even remotely understand the strange time signatures

    • @AngelBolt
      @AngelBolt Před 3 lety +62

      CZcams has an entirely algorithm-based copyright system- you can only play a short snippet for it not to be automatically compared against a database and sent to the rights owners. They strike or claim the video, regardless of the actual intent. CZcams's only responsibility is to not host it. The value of what this guy's saying is greater than what a few seconds more of music can account for, the video version of that song is literally in the sidebar of related videos.

    • @johnnynogood008
      @johnnynogood008 Před 3 lety +4

      Good point

    • @dgphi
      @dgphi Před 2 lety +23

      It's a sad state of affairs. This guy is promoting these bands, generating sales for them, but if he used more than a few seconds of their material, then the publishers would copyright strike him and steal all of his ad revenue. Even when it's against their own self interest, they are compelled to be greedy.

  • @gamer-hl4cp
    @gamer-hl4cp Před 4 lety +533

    Blue face is my favorite math rock artist

  • @bozzbagger
    @bozzbagger Před 3 lety +52

    An interesting theme of a lot of Math rock is the feeling of regret and nostalgia for the past, which couples well with the lack of consistent melodies. A song reminiscing of a past love, with a beautiful melody that much like the love like the relationship is burns brightly then fades out never to come back(Pretty much the entire theme of American Football). The two go incredibly well hand in hand as as a result pulls emotions out in a way that the repetition of typical song structures can't. It also makes listening more addicting and interesting. Or maybe I just found math rock when I was going through a breakup. With that being said, the band that probably most defines what I'm talking about is TTNG which is my all time fav math rock band and Animals is IMO the best place to start if you're interested.

    • @shreksoreinstein8380
      @shreksoreinstein8380 Před 3 lety +2

      i can relate, when i listen to maths rock then it feels like i'm hanging out with my other half

    • @analysis726
      @analysis726 Před rokem

      the line between math rock and midwest emo is nonexistent

  • @erichodosh2933
    @erichodosh2933 Před 3 lety +13

    Polvo is the most criminally underappreciated band I've ever heard. When I stumbled across them on Spotify a few years I was beside myself. I hadn't been that excited about music in a decade.

  • @danielmyers2696
    @danielmyers2696 Před 5 lety +774

    I feel like TTNG (This Town Needs Guns) might be an even better introduction to the genre. IMO, their album Animals is very accessible music while still being intricate and technically impressive math rock. American Football definitely has math tones, but like you said they fuse a lot of emo into their sound. That’s not a bad thing, I just think that TTNG might be a better place to start for somebody who’s looking to get into math rock specifically. This is a great video as always though, I think math rock is one of those genres that people are afraid to get into because it kind of gives off a weird vibe.

    • @cremat
      @cremat Před 5 lety +17

      yeah! imo american football learns more towards (midwest) emo than math rock

    • @travisyomum7266
      @travisyomum7266 Před 5 lety +21

      Animals is exactly what got me into math rock. Just clicked on the thumbnail cause I thought the album cover looked cool, but hearing the chaotic charm and energy of Chinchilla at the beginning had me so confused and memorized I just had to look into it more. American footballs a good band but tbh I feel like if you've never listened to math rock before you'd probably fall asleep on the first listen and never come back to it.

    • @surrealducks
      @surrealducks Před 5 lety +3

      Their self-titled EP was what got me started. Animals is a great album, don't get me wrong, but on a first listen I think it all sort of sounds the same. Subsequent listens are awesome, but if you want a quick intro it may not be the best place to start. It's not perfect, but I think the self-titled has a bit more variation.

    • @danielmyers2696
      @danielmyers2696 Před 5 lety +4

      surrealducks Agreed! the self titled is amazing. Want to come back to my room and listen to Belle & Sebastian is my all time favorite TTNG song.

    • @surrealducks
      @surrealducks Před 5 lety +6

      @@danielmyers2696 it's a great one! My brain exploded the first time I heard 26 Is Dancier Than 4

  • @SolidFoxHoundSF
    @SolidFoxHoundSF Před 5 lety +4415

    TL;DW Math rock is just emo jazz.

  • @igotjams1
    @igotjams1 Před 2 lety +2

    I need more than 2 seconds to get an appreciation on the genre

  • @brendenhorn4646
    @brendenhorn4646 Před 2 lety +3

    Finally have a name to the very specific music I sometimes crave to listen to but had no Idea what it was or how to find more other than knowing Yvette young had the sound

  • @MontgomeryBiggs
    @MontgomeryBiggs Před 5 lety +841

    shows CHON in video
    doesn’t mention CHON

    • @marshalllee358
      @marshalllee358 Před 5 lety +11

      OMGGG RIGHTTTT

    • @MaySpitfire
      @MaySpitfire Před 5 lety +12

      Mario would be displeased

    • @clyde_.158
      @clyde_.158 Před 4 lety +12

      @@stevestevestevesteve6466 more prog rock

    • @AFN2750
      @AFN2750 Před 4 lety +23

      Chon and Polyphia are very similar musically, and Polyphia is often labeled as djent, oddly enough

    • @johnathanwilson1363
      @johnathanwilson1363 Před 4 lety

      FRRRRRR

  • @dotdots2660
    @dotdots2660 Před 5 lety +1420

    Thanks for the 2 seconds of math rock, in a video all about math rock.

    • @drtij_dzienz
      @drtij_dzienz Před 5 lety +104

      Damon Che might copyright strike him lol

    • @jameshiggins8601
      @jameshiggins8601 Před 5 lety +67

      He can legally show more than a few seconds but CZcams will strike him if he plays more than 2 seconds. I think he will still end up getting demonetized for this, unfortunately.

    • @carybeweary7209
      @carybeweary7209 Před 5 lety +52

      @@jameshiggins8601 it's protected under fair use if he plays even more than a few seconds but youtube is a broken platform that has its head up its ass so yeah one dumbass music company who know jack shit about law would request it's removal and CZcams would fold faster than superman on laundry day

    • @FMSnow
      @FMSnow Před 5 lety +3

      thank UMG for that

    • @TheMMCast
      @TheMMCast Před 5 lety +11

      Why on earth would an artist copyright strike a video meant to introduce new audience members to the artist? Seriously, in what world could someone believe that could do anything but help the artist?

  • @hanlrr
    @hanlrr Před 2 lety +3

    I love that this is the first video that comes up when you type in math rock. I can imagine someone not knowing what it is and clicking the first video that pops up. It’s really good for people who want to expand their musical tastes! Really good explanation to someone who wouldn’t know a lot about it.

  • @panheaddragonwolfpaw
    @panheaddragonwolfpaw Před 4 lety +13

    I listened to only Japanese music for the longest time because I thought the type of stuff you hear in this genre only existed in Japan. Bands like Haisuinonasa and Co Shu Nie were and still are my favorites because of how they mess with beat and chord structure. I wanted to start getting into American music again, but I couldn't find a good band until now.

    • @dantemwatibo3517
      @dantemwatibo3517 Před 10 měsíci

      Woah wait I always thought Co Shu Nie was just interesting to listen to (thinking of The Promised Neverland ending). Now I know why haha

    • @chxrryery4188
      @chxrryery4188 Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@dantemwatibo3517definitely the airy and light (but still strong) vocals in combination with the instrumental, normally you’d find vocals like that on a more basic song or cool instrumentals on a more basic voice never both, at least that’s what I think

  • @JSA-SL
    @JSA-SL Před 5 lety +1059

    My favorite math rock band is Jay z

    • @danman6669
      @danman6669 Před 5 lety +1

      Illuminati

    • @tirilfarestveit650
      @tirilfarestveit650 Před 5 lety +36

      Ah mine is Nicci Minjai

    • @onixtv4034
      @onixtv4034 Před 5 lety +3

      Mine is Eminem.

    • @stonefrank9288
      @stonefrank9288 Před 5 lety +3

      mine is 2 pac

    • @MrAte-uo7yo
      @MrAte-uo7yo Před 5 lety +27

      Jay-Z math rock???
      "I've been in it five; smarten up, Nas!
      Four albums in 10 years, nigga? I could divide
      That's one every… let's say two, two of them shits was doo
      One was "nah," the other was Illmatic
      That's a one-hot-album-every-10-year average"
      _I see it lol_

  • @citroenboter
    @citroenboter Před 4 lety +336

    I'm a simple soul. I see the house, I click.

  • @johnforestersworstnightmar3756

    So you showed amazing bands like Chon, Elephant Gym and tricot but don’t mention them at all? Ok...
    Also others to look up are Hail the Sun, Eidola (both also take some influence from metalcore as well), Covet, TTNG and Polyphia. Enjoy!

    • @JeremyChristofer
      @JeremyChristofer Před 3 lety +1

      Is Hail the Sun really considered math rock? That’s the first I’ve ever heard of that. I consider them more progressive rock/post hardcore which was listed as influences of the genre... but I think they are much more mainstream than that. Their songs definitely tend to follow the typical song structure to a point which was mentioned here. I think they are fantastic so this is nothing against them at all, I just don’t think they are in that genre.

    • @felipejundi
      @felipejundi Před 2 lety +1

      Chon is so fucking gooood

  • @PutingPinoy
    @PutingPinoy Před 4 lety +14

    I would best describe it as complex rhythms that change spontaneously. Typically, they have an alternative rock feel melodically.

    • @BenDRobinson
      @BenDRobinson Před 8 měsíci

      I'm not sure if "spontaneously" is the right word there. It suggests doing something on the spur of the moment, whereas performing a change of time signature mid song usually requires planning and a heap of practice.

  • @sirshmango
    @sirshmango Před 5 lety +125

    Noticed footage of a couple of Audiotree live sessions in here. CHON (0:27) and tricot (0:49), in case anyone was interested.

    • @taurusgump
      @taurusgump Před 5 lety +2

      Add Audiotree Live videos were all over my suggestions after this.

    • @danman6669
      @danman6669 Před 5 lety +4

      Audiotree is how I was introduced to those bands.

  • @Faustvonholle
    @Faustvonholle Před 4 lety +481

    >says "emo jazz" is a derogatory description
    >describes math rock band as emo jazz
    >uses emo band as good intro into math rock
    There's a very clear reason why it's got the connotation of emo jazz, and you described it.

    • @Donjonneau
      @Donjonneau Před 3 lety +4

      Well, you were influenced by a youtuber. You won... A PIECE OF NUTSHELL (ah-ah, don't mind the roughness, hehe)!!! The description from one youtuber can be questionable as for any human being.

    • @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844
      @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 Před 3 lety +6

      Math Rock has very little jazz influence- well, at least no more or fewer than most rock genres. Complexity does not equal jazz . Jazz can be complex, but it does not have to be. Complex music can be jazz, but it does not have to be.

    • @Donjonneau
      @Donjonneau Před 3 lety +1

      @@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 Complexity, well, I get it, good point. But I wonder if there are Emo-Jazz bands with Saxophonists or Trumpetists. I don't think so.

    • @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844
      @mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Donjonneau no. Complexity has nothing to do with jazz. You’re not even listening to me. Math Rock is not jazz. Not even close.

    • @Donjonneau
      @Donjonneau Před 3 lety +1

      @@mysticmagicsmurfdarklord6844 I wrote that I agreed to you... You didn't read carefully. I'm not trying to take you for a fool, I mean it. And yes, they are not that close, but some German Math-Rock band sounded like Electric-Jazz-Math-Rock band (DANG IT I went too far, too long on the genre name).

  • @dy8244
    @dy8244 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you for the introduction. The “Absence of Evidence” is what I imagine Modest Mouse would have sounded like if they were more virtuosic. I now love them both. Thanks again.

  • @XxyliaGaming
    @XxyliaGaming Před 4 lety +7

    Great list, one honorable mention is Foals’ 2008 album Antidotes before they strayed & started evolving their sound.

    • @cyanhallows7809
      @cyanhallows7809 Před 4 lety

      They've got a couple math rock tracks out since like On The Luna

    • @thetemplar20
      @thetemplar20 Před rokem

      Hundred percent. Love all FOALS albums but nothing compares so Antidotes. Feel it's a great gateway into the genre.

  • @alexd.2504
    @alexd.2504 Před 5 lety +375

    >sees King Crimson at 0:40
    It just works

    • @meltossmedia
      @meltossmedia Před 5 lety +41

      *_iS tHaT a MoThErFuCkInG jOjO rEfErEnCe?!?_*

    • @alexd.2504
      @alexd.2504 Před 5 lety +38

      @@meltossmedia yes but King Crimson is also my favorite band

    • @meltossmedia
      @meltossmedia Před 5 lety +6

      @@alexd.2504 ye, definitely in my top 10, maybe 5 even

    • @tristangianelli
      @tristangianelli Před 5 lety +3

      Alex D. Me too

    • @brayanmorales313
      @brayanmorales313 Před 5 lety +3

      How are the bands in the Video? Like the clips in the background. I’m trying to find out the band at 2:55 mark. I think I’ve seen them before but I might be wrong. Also if somebody wants to list them all feel free to do so. I would really love to get into this genre. I’ve started listening to TTNG and they are amazing.

  • @MrSzponrax
    @MrSzponrax Před 5 lety +85

    Delta Sleep, TTNG, Covet, Pretend, Clever Girl, Rooftops.

    • @landerpridgen9512
      @landerpridgen9512 Před 5 lety +7

      No dnb in the jazz room is one of my favorite albums ever

    • @zanegolding8207
      @zanegolding8207 Před 5 lety +3

      I just blasted clever girls EP on my record player! Love the stuff

    • @natasha8767
      @natasha8767 Před 5 lety +11

      Delta Sleep is on top of my current faves!

    • @MrSzponrax
      @MrSzponrax Před 5 lety +1

      @@natasha8767 Same! I just found out about Girlfriends, few pieces really resonate well with me.

    • @patriciodiazcroce5211
      @patriciodiazcroce5211 Před 4 lety

      all great bands

  • @joshfeatherstone8546
    @joshfeatherstone8546 Před 3 lety +5

    A band out of Austin, Texas called Paul Newman did a record called Machine Is Not Broken and it is an underrated masterpiece.

  • @majora6767
    @majora6767 Před rokem +2

    I have no idea why I watched this as many times as I did but thank you for getting me into american football. honestly my favorite band

  • @AnimatedLP
    @AnimatedLP Před 5 lety +81

    tricot is one of my favourite bands, they actually brought me to math rock.
    toe with their song 'goodbye' is one of the best songs i ever listened to. The emotion + complexity of the instrumental is off this world.

    • @cranburrey
      @cranburrey Před 3 lety +1

      Same! Tricot was the first math rock band I've listened to. I think Potage was the first song I've ever heard from them and got hooked.

    • @unbearableburden
      @unbearableburden Před 2 lety +4

      @@cranburrey goodbye by toe is so incredible, i still listen to it every other day, such a gem!

  • @kless001
    @kless001 Před 5 lety +55

    Never Meant is a good way to get introduced to mathrock for sure.

  • @rproctor83
    @rproctor83 Před 2 lety +4

    Music is composed in two parts, how it makes you feel and how it sounds. There is a fine line between being technically amazing and incredibly inspiring. Technically amazing will be listened to once and appreciated where as incredibly inspiring will be listened to and studied for generations. IMHO a lot of prog rock is only technically amazing, but it's so complicated that most people forget what they just heard shortly after.

  • @joshfeatherstone8546
    @joshfeatherstone8546 Před 3 lety +2

    Don't forget Breadwinner. They put out a record on Merge records in the early 90s that paved the way for Don Cab, the Champs, C Average, Trans Am, Dianogah etc

  • @feavjo
    @feavjo Před 5 lety +299

    You should make the song snippets longer, we can barely hear what the song really sounds like. Great video nonetheless

    • @carstarsarstenstesenn
      @carstarsarstenstesenn Před 5 lety +16

      Check it out on your own. You shouldn’t rely on snippets anyways

    • @portopilzi
      @portopilzi Před 5 lety +27

      copyright my guy

    • @AlfoMedia
      @AlfoMedia  Před 5 lety +28

      what they said ^^^

    • @abcrx32j
      @abcrx32j Před 5 lety +3

      @@portopilzi Most math rock bands aren't that much of a pussy, but yeah, let him go to just listen to it

    • @prikas4313
      @prikas4313 Před 5 lety +5

      @@abcrx32j majority of the time it's not the band itself copyrighting, it's the label

  • @NigelGrab
    @NigelGrab Před 5 lety +143

    TTNG are the best possible intro to Math Rock. Please please try their stuff, it's gorgeous.

  • @everyoneusedthis1149
    @everyoneusedthis1149 Před 3 lety +1

    This is a great video, I’ve been a fan of math rock for a bit and I know a lot of bands, but this video is definitely a must watch for any math rock fan. This introduced you to so many bands, this is a great video.

  • @micahflips1928
    @micahflips1928 Před 3 lety +10

    Math Rock is typically so complex that it is hard for us to focus, but it can be done. Recently, I’ve been listening to a lot of math rock (like Don Caballero) while I work on my English assignments, it has no doubt helped for me. The cool thing is, extensive research has proven keeping focus while multitasking is very beneficial for the brain. This is why fidget spinners (which is just some piece of plastic with a bearing inside of it) got so big, One of the main marketing strategies for these companies was to exaggerate these benefits. Our brain works in 4-4 rhythm, this is why it’s so hard to understand, and especially write, good sounding music with unique time-signatures, (and it’s why 99% of radio pop music sounds the same, that is, brain numbing trash.) if You can listen to Math Rock, while you’re doing productive work, that’s like mindlessly holding a fidget spinner x 500. Lol, I bet know one was expecting that comparison.

  • @ichemnutcracker
    @ichemnutcracker Před 4 lety +85

    lol. I never actually looked in to what this kind of music was called. All my girlfriends used to just say "oh, you are listening to that droning music again"... so that's what I've always called it; my "droning music". I feel more than a little silly for owning about a third of the albums on that Reddit chart and never having encountered somebody enthusiastic enough about the genre to tell me it's real name.

  • @nickquarino
    @nickquarino Před 5 lety +6

    I love how positive your videos are, bringing to light music that the average person probably hasn't explored. I'd love to see more videos on sub-genres. I knew of math rocks existence, but I didn't know much about it. This was a cool informative and fun video. Keep up the good work.

  • @damesoumbi
    @damesoumbi Před 3 lety +6

    the book about my idle plot on a vague anxiety is definitely one of the best math rock albums, deserved a shout out here. ik you mentioned toe but I feel like music from that album could've been featured, and it's a little more accessible than lots of other math rock music. imo the snippets you used were too short and didn't really capture the essence of the genre for newcomers. never meant is great but you could've shown more of the song instead of the middle of a verse, and some of the other stuff seems like it would be off putting to a newcomer, at least without context.

  • @Musicphilsgood
    @Musicphilsgood Před rokem +1

    love learning about this in a condensed video with only 4 second samples. I'm an expert now. That's not even long enough to get through 2 11/8 measures!

  • @calebevans3690
    @calebevans3690 Před 4 lety +64

    Then there's dance gavin dance.
    " what genre do we want to play"
    "Yes"

    • @Ren542
      @Ren542 Před 4 lety

      Lol

    • @MrBlueyGuitar
      @MrBlueyGuitar Před 4 lety +2

      I was about to say people just gonna disrespect DGD like they don't math?

    • @freezingjazzy
      @freezingjazzy Před 3 lety +4

      Swancore. Final answer.

    • @geoff3610
      @geoff3610 Před 3 lety

      @@freezingjazzy thats fair i had not considered that he is in a league of his own

    • @IDoABitOfTrollin
      @IDoABitOfTrollin Před 3 lety

      Its just Tilians fever dreams brought to life and his solo stuff is his day dreams

  • @Guacamakis
    @Guacamakis Před 5 lety +58

    I freaking love math rock but no one I talk to has even even heard of it. Thanks for this video, I'll point anyone that asks here

  • @SkittishSquirrel
    @SkittishSquirrel Před 17 dny

    I listen to mostly rap but have been listening to more rock over the last year or so. I watched this trying to learn about different subgenres and was surprised to recognize the first example given. Thanks for the information.

  • @royfablooo2810
    @royfablooo2810 Před 3 lety +2

    It sounds Complex, it's chill music to listen to. Clean guitars riffage(Well some songs) and it has that indie vibe.

  • @charliemoll5435
    @charliemoll5435 Před 5 lety +12

    Thank you for this. I’ve been curious about math rock for some time

    • @bluesolace9052
      @bluesolace9052 Před 5 lety

      Charlie Moll XD I thought it was just rock music about math

  • @npgy
    @npgy Před 5 lety +7

    Most people haven't heard this before but this is a band of my cousin's friends and they only made one album.
    If you're into math rock I bet you'll really like it.
    The album is All Things Considered by The Pelicants, it's on youtube.

  • @dewberry150
    @dewberry150 Před 2 lety +1

    its fun to my ears. never knowing what i will next

  • @rajithfernando6200
    @rajithfernando6200 Před rokem

    Dude, THANK YOU! for some reason I stumbled upon this video and this opened a door I'll never close. I fell hard for this genre and I can't stop exploring more. Math rock rules 🤘

  • @cheesecakelasagna
    @cheesecakelasagna Před 5 lety +80

    For any Filipinos out there, we got math rock bands as well:
    *AOUI* (pronounced "ah-wee") and *Sound Architects*

    • @jackwhacker1714
      @jackwhacker1714 Před 4 lety +8

      Toms story

    • @ayeena092498
      @ayeena092498 Před 4 lety

      gago ang angas ng aoui

    • @ilceaau
      @ilceaau Před 4 lety

      fr? pakinggan ko nga

    • @iansantos123
      @iansantos123 Před 3 lety +5

      More like post rock or shoe gaze Sound Architects but great band. Fools and Foes, Run Dorothy, tide/edit, shaw, Tom's Story, Amateurish, Luncheon, Tim Awa, Trippy Oh!. Halo halo na yan math at post

    • @se-ku3op
      @se-ku3op Před 3 lety

      meron?

  • @SMITHII_
    @SMITHII_ Před 5 lety +56

    Mathrock is ruled by unusual time signatures, unless you are chon.
    Mario has said before he writes most things in 4/4.

    • @spencer6081
      @spencer6081 Před 5 lety +5

      Polyphia is the same way

    • @abcrx32j
      @abcrx32j Před 4 lety

      Yet they play stuff in 5/4, 7/8 and 15/16

    • @anuvette
      @anuvette Před 3 lety +2

      @@spencer6081 polyphia isnt math rock theyre metal

    • @MastersweetRAY
      @MastersweetRAY Před 3 lety

      Chomnhas also changes their sound often, in their audiotree he explicitly says what they listen to influences they’re music

    • @devinthorn8182
      @devinthorn8182 Před 3 lety +2

      Polyphia is not metal unless you are using the term with the broadest definition possible lol

  • @mattfield8373
    @mattfield8373 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for playing the examples longer than 5 seconds.

  • @cremejockey8636
    @cremejockey8636 Před 4 lety +1

    You got the wrong house with green background for your thumbnail. Don Caballero: what burns never returns album cover is what you hopefully meant to post. Give don cab the credit they deserve for inventing this genre

    • @Aster_Risk
      @Aster_Risk Před 3 lety

      I have the same feelings on this.

  • @UnlockYourWellness
    @UnlockYourWellness Před 5 lety +217

    DO A VIDEO ON 'STILL WOOZY'

  • @davezarairl
    @davezarairl Před 5 lety +188

    Hella?
    Or Battles?

    • @bobunitone
      @bobunitone Před 5 lety +21

      Lightning Bolt??

    • @raulperez2308
      @raulperez2308 Před 5 lety +5

      hella

    • @Dr.Mrs.Pancakes
      @Dr.Mrs.Pancakes Před 5 lety +26

      And by extension Zach Hill in general

    • @JuanGarcia-hm7fx
      @JuanGarcia-hm7fx Před 5 lety +1

      Hella

    • @rbzanatta
      @rbzanatta Před 5 lety +4

      I've seen people saying Battles is much more experimental in general than math rock, but it has its roots there since Ian was in Don.
      Hella should definitly be here, however.

  • @BobSchoepenjr
    @BobSchoepenjr Před 3 lety +9

    After this I became hungry and wanna go to Math Donalds

  • @jamesslastname
    @jamesslastname Před 4 lety +3

    The band that got me into math rock was Co Shü Nie. They're one of my favourite Japanese artists.

  • @tmaKlopp
    @tmaKlopp Před 5 lety +31

    CHON was in the vid but no shout-out. I love your channel, just mentioning.

  • @George100DP
    @George100DP Před 5 lety +391

    You just gonna ignore the first Foals album then? Cool

    • @radecparmezan6476
      @radecparmezan6476 Před 5 lety +24

      my favourite album ever

    • @chestubbs7150
      @chestubbs7150 Před 5 lety +20

      I thought he would have mentioned them for sure, considering the new album dropped like a week ago (even though its not really math rock).

    • @danshinks5897
      @danshinks5897 Před 5 lety +12

      He didn't mention but it was on the far left of the flowchart

    • @chestubbs7150
      @chestubbs7150 Před 5 lety +12

      @@danshinks5897 true, just thought he would touch on it since they're one of the more mainstream bands that have math rock influences at their roots.

    • @ethansics9400
      @ethansics9400 Před 5 lety +7

      Antidotes is the shiiiit

  • @canniloni
    @canniloni Před 3 lety +1

    i got introduced to math rock through covet and i absolutely love it now, it's a genre i never knew i was looking for

  • @nothingiseverperfect
    @nothingiseverperfect Před 3 lety +1

    This is so cool haha I’ve been listening to Never Meant by American Football for so long and I was like wow how are they so good hahaha thanks for this

  • @setomanda3272
    @setomanda3272 Před 5 lety +56

    >no mention of hella or slint
    ????

    • @bottledsoup239
      @bottledsoup239 Před 4 lety +2

      A year late but I'm still mad he didn't have the intro to breadcrumb trail as background music

    • @marmota7615
      @marmota7615 Před 3 lety +1

      Yeah, I was expecting to see King Crimson or Hella in this vid.. none of them are there...

    • @damesoumbi
      @damesoumbi Před 3 lety +1

      @@marmota7615 king crimson is a prog rock band. the technical, experimental, and complex aspect of their music inspired math rock, but they are in no way part of the contemporary math rock genre

    • @user-lw1iw9bg9y
      @user-lw1iw9bg9y Před 3 lety +1

      Not putting hella is a deadly sin. Their shit is amazing and I love it

  • @iancharlescarter35
    @iancharlescarter35 Před 5 lety +86

    Math is love, Math is life. Hyped on this vid. Here's a couple picks from me as a fan..
    For instrumental Stuff check:
    Bullet Proof Tiger
    Floral
    Physics House Band
    Vocals:
    Colour
    TTNG (This Town Needs Guns)
    The Edmund Fitzgerald (Yannis and Jacks band before FOALS)
    and obvs first Foals record Antidotes

    • @chrisdrums1910
      @chrisdrums1910 Před 5 lety +2

      Ian Charles Carter floral!!! The most underrated band

    • @OmerAliuddin
      @OmerAliuddin Před 5 lety +1

      Hell yeah Colour is so amazing, it's sad that they only have one album but it's such a great album.

    • @NegativeSpacePhoto
      @NegativeSpacePhoto Před 5 lety +1

      Also look into cleft, if you like the physics house band.

    • @18skeltor
      @18skeltor Před 5 lety +1

      Love Floral.

    • @stevena8719
      @stevena8719 Před 5 lety +1

      Gay outdoor muscle sex revenge is a classic

  • @clytor
    @clytor Před 2 lety +3

    I'd credit someone like Rush as being one of the forefathers of this genre. In the 90's, in addition to Don Cab, you had Drive Like Jehu and especially Breadwinner.

  • @Evilboats__
    @Evilboats__ Před rokem +3

    Chon is my favourite, and a Japanese math rock band called Jyocho is also nuts. they rocked with a flute

  • @wizaaar
    @wizaaar Před 5 lety +49

    Great video. If anyone wants some twinkly, jazzy math rock, check out the album Clever Girl - No Drum and Bass in The Jazz Room.

  • @skyborax5159
    @skyborax5159 Před 5 lety +5

    Loved the video, it would be cool if you did more “how to get into obscure genres” videos I’m sure many people would appreciate them and it would give so much needed love to some of the more obscure ones.

  • @kynansmusic9724
    @kynansmusic9724 Před 6 měsíci

    TTNG and Tiny Moving Parts are also two AMAZING Math Rock/Midwest Emo groups. To those, like myself who were more into the Emo/Punk side, these groups mentioned are a must listen to!

  • @shibbainu5889
    @shibbainu5889 Před 3 lety +1

    Before I watched this video I actually didnt know it was kind of frowned upon in terms of relaxation/enjoyment? I found the genre in late 2019 and have loved it deeply ever since, like it's my comfort music and I even find myself playing it when I fall asleep or do school. It's probably the kind if math rock I listen to though, mostly Toe, Special Others, and Bonobos. It's very special to me though- as its helped me through really tough times.

  • @TheJmix
    @TheJmix Před 5 lety +3

    Would be so cool to see more of those genre introduction videos. So amazing, keep up the great work :)

  • @frightening_volleyball1231
    @frightening_volleyball1231 Před 5 lety +34

    My first Math Rock Band was Giraffes? Giraffes!

    • @d0rkbug
      @d0rkbug Před 5 lety +5

      where the catholic girls go camping is such an awesome song

  • @brigadermovies
    @brigadermovies Před rokem +1

    Hella was my introduction to math rock, which was definitely... A thing. I unironically enjoy hold your horse is as an album, though.

  • @closingcredits
    @closingcredits Před 3 lety +1

    Anybody else read the title as Meth Rock. I was really interested for a second

  • @gilespeterson6832
    @gilespeterson6832 Před 5 lety +17

    Four important albums you missed:
    Slint - Spiderland
    Brave Little Abacus - Just Got Back From The Discomfort... We're Alright
    empire! empire! empire! i was a lonely estate - What It Takes To Move Forward
    toe - the book about my idle plot on a vague anxiety

    • @dylanfluker
      @dylanfluker Před 5 lety +4

      Slinttt for sure

    • @isthatbortsimpson9562
      @isthatbortsimpson9562 Před 5 lety

      He didn't miss Toe, you never watched the full video lol

    • @skithness
      @skithness Před 5 lety

      Ooooo, only one of those are considered math rock

    • @playboicatrissock5867
      @playboicatrissock5867 Před 5 lety

      Im not really into rock, but even i knew slint-spiderland and was wondering where is was

  • @EliteJovenAgent
    @EliteJovenAgent Před 5 lety +10

    I listen to math rock whenever I do my engineering problem sets.

  • @jarrodcluck
    @jarrodcluck Před 3 lety +1

    Oh, my. You have introduced me to new things! Subscribed

  • @jules.634
    @jules.634 Před 3 lety +2

    I remember blasting Never Meant through the streets of Beijing. This video made me super nostalgic.

  • @Rosalina102798
    @Rosalina102798 Před 5 lety +30

    Don't understand why Hella isn't here, although I could see why even Battles isn't here (one of my favorite experimental bands of all time besides Sweet Trip, Tera Melos, Animal Collective, Silver Apples and 65daysofstatic) considering that they're more of an experimental/post-rock band than anything else. Little to no irregular time signatures in most of their music, except for their debut solo album, which did feature a few mathy influences, but it's obviously post-rock at its core.

    • @castleb0y
      @castleb0y Před 5 lety +1

      sweet trip is basically just the best band ever tbh

    • @Rosalina102798
      @Rosalina102798 Před 5 lety +1

      @@castleb0y Completely agree! Painfully underrated band outside of Sputnik and RYM.

  • @fuzzydunlop4513
    @fuzzydunlop4513 Před 5 lety +39

    If you like art rock-punk-art metal- and Mathy rock listen to MX-80 Sound - Hard Attack. Came out in 77' and predates a Lot of math rock. Also This Heat - Deceit uses a lot of weird time signatures and the originality on that album is unprecedented and never even close to replicated

    • @nakedfordinner
      @nakedfordinner Před 5 lety +1

      @Kill yr Idols check out captain beefheart and the magic band as well, they pretty much laid down the foundation for math rock

  • @savemysoul4112
    @savemysoul4112 Před rokem +3

    If there is math rock, are there science rock?

  • @jonathanfoster2263
    @jonathanfoster2263 Před 3 měsíci

    I have always been impressed by the depth and technicality of math rock, that said I have always been underwhelmed by the act of trying to enjoy math rock