@@c97xno its not. Especially for new players. And if you're going to apply that logic apply it to turn time as well. No one wants to sit around for 5+ minutes for one of their opponent's turns.
It goes earlier than this...hybrid flip + beatdown was a pretty standard deck in 2002-2004. People ran so many Magician of Faith and other tiny set monsters, that I won multiple tournaments in 2003 dealing the finishing blow with...Mad Sword Beast...yes really.
I love how you describes gx era. Real yugioh players remember when the game wasn't solitaire for two. I can hear it in your voice, you miss it too. 🍻 cheers to our Fallen monster. Rip magician of faith.
Dude you are such a legend and a scholar. Thanks for bringing me back to my golden age of yugioh. This era felt the most like duelist kingdom to me Building decks around just straight up good cards. I miss this simple yet competitive time in yugioh. And how you explain it brings me straight there so thanks again
I legit started playing when the original anime came to the US. I played for a few years and stopped around 2004. God this makes me feel old. When I played back then you were dumb if you didn’t play flip effect monsters or have a good amount of trap cards. I don’t know any of the cards are these days. I have no clue what synchro monsters are.
Yeee, old format stuff, i adore it I like a lot that era in wich breaker the magical warrior was limited, but they had pot of greed, charity and heavy storm
I don't know what this _set_ thing is, aren't facedown cards reserved for traps and spells? Does it have something to do with that number monsters have on the bottom right for some reason?
Gersub Denis That’s a hand trap. A normal trap is set face down like a spell, then you can flip it up and activate it when your opponent does a specific action (Mirror Force is a classic; when your opponent attacks with a monster, all their Attack Position monsters go poof). Yugioh has recently seen a rise in effects informally called “hand traps”, which activate in response to an opponent’s action like traps, but do so in your hand.
I actually played this during school days with my friends and boy was it fun . I find it very nostalgic how these decks always bring me great memories , this and old Monarchs
Few things though: 1. Return wasn't the only reason people went all in during that format.Comeback mechanichs available were few and far between so if you lost the board,you weren't getting it back. 2. Adrian Madaj was the one who launched the recruiter build into relevance placing second at euros. 3. Towards the end of the format,Stein replaced Return in most builds due to the fact it was searchable through sangan/last will and it didn't require set-up like Return 4. Reaper was actually more important than any other flip effect monster during that era because often times it would be a straight up +1 Ah,the days when I'd t1 do a t-set and my opponent would go cyber dragon+reaper+ nobleman effectively ruining my entire saturday
colton ellis That depends if Goblin gets banned along with Firewall and Phoenix blade in the next banlist or Konami makes a card that can change the link points of all co linked monsters.
This was the peak of when I played for the most part. At least up until the set with Hydrogeddon came out. My favorite Flip Effect monster in Yugioh to this day is Des Koala because so many people hated on me for playing it in decks that were not burn. I loved that card and would use it in all my decks. Most of which were made of what I had because I was poor. Koala would usually net me 1200 to 1600 damage and was my favorite first turn play with a Sakuretsu Armor for back up. Then you turn around and either Tsukuyomi it back down or you sacrificed it for a Monarch in my case (I couldn't afford Thestalos or Zaborgs so I played Mobius and Granmargs main deck lol). I always played Magic Cylinder too and loved to get people with that. I think I saw someone once on the internet call something similar to this gameplan Black Burn and I kind of went with it. I saw it as more of an aggressive burn deck than the normal stallish burn decks that people were running at the time.
I really liked the GX era. There were much more innovation in Yugioh for deck building. Now decks come mostly pre built with arch types. There are differences between decks today just no where on the level it was back then.
I dont play yugioh for about 8 years anymore, but rescently started watching some of theese youtubers and damn... I want to play game again because some of my greatest memories comes from this game, however when I hear youtubers or comments say that certain cards that used to be insanely good in the past ar no longer viable breaks my heart. When I left yugioh was already becoming soliter, and now turn with all the searches probably takes forver.... I dug out my oldschool collection and thought my little brother how to play so at least I can play some legacy yugioh at home ... :P
What about other flips that were prominent in the game at other times?? Like geargias or ryko who was used widely for many years. Usually in tandem with super nimble mega hamster during the synchro format days. And lets not forget Shaddolls. Who reigned during the arc v era. Contending with all kinds of decks and who's cards are still being revered as decent, many even wanting their super ace, Construct, to come back to the game. I enjoyed the history lesson. Reminding me of the days i would follow along to the competitive happenings in the beckett yugioh collector magazines and proxying their decks, before i even knew what proxying meant. I hope you continue the story, as there is much more that could be said...
To fix flip effect monsters is to make a new rule in where all flip effects are considered quick effects so that you can activate them as soon as it's your opponent's turn.
last time my friends and I did some online Yu-gi-oh tournament *someone* whined about the possibility of someone using Six Samurai (ME), so I tried creating a deck based around flip effect monsters... lost all my matches, but didn't make it easy for them (as this was the Syncho era, who had time for counter flip effects?!) especially if you sent a complicated summon back to their hand... but I never knew of this strategy.
The era the cards are from don't matter. A Chaos deck is a deck centered around any of the chaos monsters, with a basis in Light and Dark attributes. Since return and dimension fusion are banned, I ran Necroface in my build, alongside Desires for an easy 2200 monster, with potential for more.
One can run whatever fits him/her and that is completely fine with me. However, there are optimal and suboptimal builds. A lot of those classic cards didn't age very well and even BLS was pretty much powercrept. I would rather run the Chaos Dragon variant.
Subterror, Tindangle and Krawler at least show, that Konami try to keep us flipping. Krawlers are even a sensible deck with the CYHO support (and Subterrors would be, if we would get Guru)
Cap can you do a vido on when morphing jar#2 broke the meta. I was using that card during Dino rabbit. It was great it shut down wind ups like a boss. I played it at the Milwaukee Regional. I miss that deck it was so fun to play and the judges watched all my matches because it was funny to watch me play the deck. I used so many card people forgot about. So every time I turned a card over I would say what dose this card d0. That was the best deck I ever made that was not meta. I placed 81 out of 200 not bad for a scub.
Scenario: I have 2 monsters in Atk position and my opponent has 1 set face down monster. I attack with my first monster; the set card was Man Eater Bug; can it’s effect be used to destroy my second monster that would have attacked or would MEB’s effect not activate until after the battle phase?
Ur the best at story telling my friend.. lol.. funny how some of us dont remember key things about the those formates.. I believe knowing ya past always makes for a better future
In 10 years we'll look back at yugioh as simple and slow with links and massive summon fields. It's 10 monster zones with 50 thousand different rules lol
the problem with this story is the title it should have been "the rise and the fall of chaos return" i mean come on kappa you did better than this, also great video
I would have liked you to also adress that fact that Shaddolls weren't meta because of their flipp effects, but because of the overall good card quality and their floating effects.
People shitting on Flip Effect monsters today. I'll have you know that I once, with my trusty rusty Krawlers, single handedly defeated a friend of mine.
Hey meta sheep. Yes Im talking about you people who bass old cards and only play the 2-3 decks that go on tournaments each year. Listen capital g's story and tell me. Why do you like the mess yugioh turned into more than that beautiful game?
I wish Yugioh remained as a war of attrition rather than combo heavy.
Yugioh DM and GX era was the best.
Penguin soldier used to fuck up your whole attack. Returning those 2 big monsters you wasted so much to summon
one of my favourites
Or returning one of those big monsters and itself, so it could avoid destruction and stay around to use its effect again.
@@GrapeCheckerBoard flip effects activate during damage calc, it can't return itself if it would be destroyed by battle
I miss these days. I played during them, and it was fun! Much slower and simpler effects. Glad to see you show the deck now.
the states are the same.
the equation is 3x3.
youre just seeing 3 + 3 + 3, and it looks like it has more steps, but its really just the same thing.
@@c97xno its not. Especially for new players. And if you're going to apply that logic apply it to turn time as well. No one wants to sit around for 5+ minutes for one of their opponent's turns.
It goes earlier than this...hybrid flip + beatdown was a pretty standard deck in 2002-2004. People ran so many Magician of Faith and other tiny set monsters, that I won multiple tournaments in 2003 dealing the finishing blow with...Mad Sword Beast...yes really.
Now your Just saying "Go ahead and kill me I don't have anything" If you Set pass
Or you play Krawlers
TheTrueLeafless that table 500 flip deck?
Table 500 is a bit harsh...before CYHO it had an immense problem with consistency as a pure build but the new support brought it way above it
its still got the same old problem that any flip deck has, its a flip deck. I wish it the best of luck but I suppose table 250-300 is more accurate.
Soo can absolute acid can counter this deck?
I love how you describes gx era. Real yugioh players remember when the game wasn't solitaire for two. I can hear it in your voice, you miss it too. 🍻 cheers to our
Fallen monster. Rip magician of faith.
Dude you are such a legend and a scholar. Thanks for bringing me back to my golden age of yugioh. This era felt the most like duelist kingdom to me Building decks around just straight up good cards. I miss this simple yet competitive time in yugioh. And how you explain it brings me straight there so thanks again
Flip effect monsters were the shiz-nit
I legit started playing when the original anime came to the US. I played for a few years and stopped around 2004. God this makes me feel old. When I played back then you were dumb if you didn’t play flip effect monsters or have a good amount of trap cards.
I don’t know any of the cards are these days. I have no clue what synchro monsters are.
I would LOVE to hear that other flip effect story from the GX era.
flip summoning and trap cards: 2 pillars of the game that are now mostly forgoten
Yeee, old format stuff, i adore it
I like a lot that era in wich breaker the magical warrior was limited, but they had pot of greed, charity and heavy storm
It's a real shame the game no longer rewards strategic play.
Chaos Sorcerer will always be one of my favorite cards
I don't know what this _set_ thing is, aren't facedown cards reserved for traps and spells? Does it have something to do with that number monsters have on the bottom right for some reason?
Face Down Ass First - dpYGO
Hm? Setting traps? Arent traps those things you activate in your hand on your opponents turn?
They used to go on the table.
I played in GX era and this thread makes me nauseous
Gersub Denis That’s a hand trap. A normal trap is set face down like a spell, then you can flip it up and activate it when your opponent does a specific action (Mirror Force is a classic; when your opponent attacks with a monster, all their Attack Position monsters go poof). Yugioh has recently seen a rise in effects informally called “hand traps”, which activate in response to an opponent’s action like traps, but do so in your hand.
Cyber Jar Morphing Jar the best flip effects monsters.
Don't forget fiber jar
Please do the yugioh story, these are easily my favorite part of the channel.
I always love Caps Yugioh stories, I started at the tail end of the zexal era and didn’t get to experience a lot of these events.
I actually played this during school days with my friends and boy was it fun . I find it very nostalgic how these decks always bring me great memories , this and old Monarchs
Few things though:
1. Return wasn't the only reason people went all in during that format.Comeback mechanichs available were few and far between so if you lost the board,you weren't getting it back.
2. Adrian Madaj was the one who launched the recruiter build into relevance placing second at euros.
3. Towards the end of the format,Stein replaced Return in most builds due to the fact it was searchable through sangan/last will and it didn't require set-up like Return
4. Reaper was actually more important than any other flip effect monster during that era because often times it would be a straight up +1
Ah,the days when I'd t1 do a t-set and my opponent would go cyber dragon+reaper+ nobleman effectively ruining my entire saturday
I need prt 2 of this. I quit around the GX era and never heard stories like these
This was truly the best time in the game.
I miss being able to use my nobleman of crossout. That card was OP as fuck back in the day now I see super rares for not even a dollar in card shops
I am waiting for when Knightmares get their rise and fall story.
They won't fall for quite a while
You're gonna be waiting for a long time, my friend.
colton ellis That depends if Goblin gets banned along with Firewall and Phoenix blade in the next banlist or Konami makes a card that can change the link points of all co linked monsters.
@@DCComicsAndSomeOtherThings he'll probably get power crept by the end of next year.
@@kylelindgren5290 If Knightmares get power crept the game is in a bad place
True to say the golden age of yugioh
Those were days..
I LOVE me some yugioh stories
I Love revisting my past through your retelling.
All the stories please. Enjoy hearing about things again back when I played a lot more.
yes bro! the like yugioh story videos that you do are seriously some of my favorites. keep em comin
This was the peak of when I played for the most part. At least up until the set with Hydrogeddon came out. My favorite Flip Effect monster in Yugioh to this day is Des Koala because so many people hated on me for playing it in decks that were not burn. I loved that card and would use it in all my decks. Most of which were made of what I had because I was poor. Koala would usually net me 1200 to 1600 damage and was my favorite first turn play with a Sakuretsu Armor for back up. Then you turn around and either Tsukuyomi it back down or you sacrificed it for a Monarch in my case (I couldn't afford Thestalos or Zaborgs so I played Mobius and Granmargs main deck lol). I always played Magic Cylinder too and loved to get people with that. I think I saw someone once on the internet call something similar to this gameplan Black Burn and I kind of went with it. I saw it as more of an aggressive burn deck than the normal stallish burn decks that people were running at the time.
SILFER ATTACK CAPITAL G!!!! THUNDERFORCE!!!!
Definitely go for that next Flip story, these history videos are fantastic :D
I really liked the GX era. There were much more innovation in Yugioh for deck building. Now decks come mostly pre built with arch types. There are differences between decks today just no where on the level it was back then.
I dont play yugioh for about 8 years anymore, but rescently started watching some of theese youtubers and damn...
I want to play game again because some of my greatest memories comes from this game, however when I hear youtubers or comments say that certain cards that used to be insanely good in the past ar no longer viable breaks my heart. When I left yugioh was already becoming soliter, and now turn with all the searches probably takes forver....
I dug out my oldschool collection and thought my little brother how to play so at least I can play some legacy yugioh at home ... :P
*Scientist FTK or bust!* I will never give up!!
This was a great story, I always enjoy watching these.
Return was my ace in the hole... i miss that card so much. Mine was a Strike Ninja deck though
What is a Lifepoint? And why is it bad to half them?
What about other flips that were prominent in the game at other times?? Like geargias or ryko who was used widely for many years. Usually in tandem with super nimble mega hamster during the synchro format days.
And lets not forget Shaddolls. Who reigned during the arc v era. Contending with all kinds of decks and who's cards are still being revered as decent, many even wanting their super ace, Construct, to come back to the game.
I enjoyed the history lesson. Reminding me of the days i would follow along to the competitive happenings in the beckett yugioh collector magazines and proxying their decks, before i even knew what proxying meant.
I hope you continue the story, as there is much more that could be said...
To fix flip effect monsters is to make a new rule in where all flip effects are considered quick effects so that you can activate them as soon as it's your opponent's turn.
George De Jesus i always thought about that. More like a true trap monster. Would be so cool
Too bad Konami doesn't like innovation.....
Call it a Quick Flip
There would be sooo many crazy good effects off of that.
Possible for Shaddoll to suddenly jump tiers to be relevant.
It also would be appropriate to consider, as there is a floodgate card specifically that negates Flip Monsters entirely
We can set monsters???? Wtf
Face down defense position!
These kinds of videos are your best, great work!
Reminder that Chaos Sorcerer can't target face-down monsters
Your Yu-gi-oh history lesson videos are fantastic. Keep it up
Do a story based on the Dragon Rulers legacy
When Emon Ghaneian dominated. You should do a video on him. Only really OG’s know who he is
He was a cheater though
He was also a sick dude with a lot of game knowledge
Had a cool booth at Frank n Sons
Stein otk got me to my first nationals
Also I wouldve liked to hear you mention dimension fusion and how it got in the chaos deck when also return of a different dimension got limited.
Share the story. I love flip decks
i love the GX era
last time my friends and I did some online Yu-gi-oh tournament *someone* whined about the possibility of someone using Six Samurai (ME), so I tried creating a deck based around flip effect monsters... lost all my matches, but didn't make it easy for them (as this was the Syncho era, who had time for counter flip effects?!) especially if you sent a complicated summon back to their hand... but I never knew of this strategy.
Tbh fiber jar can come back flips are so power crept lol
Are you telling me that Tindangle aren't popular today? xd
Nope...but Krawlers are.
I have a friend who plays Tindangle.
...And he consistently beat full power True Draco.
I play Tindangle. They're awesome.
i wish i played in this era, wish yugioh could go back to this simple, fun & interactive game state
I think just about everyone who played in this era would like to go back
I am a firm believer that with the right build, chaos will always be a viable rouge strategy.
BLS and Sorcerer would probably be the only cards from that era that will find their way in a modern build.
The era the cards are from don't matter. A Chaos deck is a deck centered around any of the chaos monsters, with a basis in Light and Dark attributes. Since return and dimension fusion are banned, I ran Necroface in my build, alongside Desires for an easy 2200 monster, with potential for more.
One can run whatever fits him/her and that is completely fine with me. However, there are optimal and suboptimal builds. A lot of those classic cards didn't age very well and even BLS was pretty much powercrept. I would rather run the Chaos Dragon variant.
I did say with the right build. Chaos dragons is technically a chaos build.
I really thought you were saying that a 2005 Chaos build would be viable.
Make Cyber Jar legal again!
London Avant imagine crashing in to a set monster and then you and your opponent draw 5; the fun you can have with that
Man imagine fiber jar in today's meta can't penetrate your game reset
Cyber Jar, Morphing Jar #1 and Morphing Jar #2, now you toss the salad!
I love this videos, reminds me when I was playing back in the day
Modern yugioh be like : summon Armageddon knight, game.
Subterror, Tindangle and Krawler at least show, that Konami try to keep us flipping. Krawlers are even a sensible deck with the CYHO support (and Subterrors would be, if we would get Guru)
Cap can you do a vido on when morphing jar#2 broke the meta. I was using that card during Dino rabbit. It was great it shut down wind ups like a boss. I played it at the Milwaukee Regional. I miss that deck it was so fun to play and the judges watched all my matches because it was funny to watch me play the deck. I used so many card people forgot about. So every time I turned a card over I would say what dose this card d0. That was the best deck I ever made that was not meta. I placed 81 out of 200 not bad for a scub.
Scenario: I have 2 monsters in Atk position and my opponent has 1 set face down monster. I attack with my first monster; the set card was Man Eater Bug; can it’s effect be used to destroy my second monster that would have attacked or would MEB’s effect not activate until after the battle phase?
Man eater bug's effect activates as soon as it's flipped up so your 2nd monster would be destroyed after the 1st 1 attacked it.
"We haven't seen any flip decks in the meta for three years"
What about Subterrors?
Same. Thought the video is about Subterrors
Ur the best at story telling my friend.. lol.. funny how some of us dont remember key things about the those formates.. I believe knowing ya past always makes for a better future
Gravekeepers were badass back in the day
I love these history type videos.
Flip effects arent as common today, but people still set effect monsters face down, specially with cards that activate in the graveyard.
In 10 years we'll look back at yugioh as simple and slow with links and massive summon fields. It's 10 monster zones with 50 thousand different rules lol
you have no idea how many times i summoned newdoria and crashed it just to explode something else.
I used to do Skull Lair into Dimension Fusion.
8:28 is that Ted Mosby?!
Apart from Mirror Force, Man Eater Bug gave me so much trust issues...
This was awesome! Thanks MegacapitalG!
Doesn’t matter what we say, you’re gonna make the video regardless, which is fine by me
MAn yugioh was so dope back then 😢
It's so funny to me seeing that Crossout was a card that saw competitive play because as a casual I thought it was terrible and I hated the card lol
I saw my fave card in this video. Oh lovely limited Night Assailant.
Please bring back this series, Please MegaGrandpaG (I’ve been playing since 2003 but you older then me)
I miss the old days
That was in my time😍😍😍 thanks for that nostalgic video❤❤❤❤
the problem with this story is the title it should have been "the rise and the fall of chaos return" i mean come on kappa you did better than this, also great video
Wasn't this back when draws were first turn too? Game was so much better in the day.
Hey Cap, love this content, it's some of your best!
Great video I really enjoyed it! Please post more story videos :D
I would have liked you to also adress that fact that Shaddolls weren't meta because of their flipp effects, but because of the overall good card quality and their floating effects.
If I do a Yugioh Story on them I will
+MegaCapitalG I would LOVE to see a story on Shaddolls.
Strings and his damn deck full of nothing but flip effects.
Talk about Yugi-Kaiba format.
Hey, Cap. I was wondering if you would consider covering the Summer of 2014. It was one of my favorite time periods in the game's history.
we still play with no extra deck or pendulum zone
People shitting on Flip Effect monsters today.
I'll have you know that I once, with my trusty rusty Krawlers, single handedly defeated a friend of mine.
This guy must have played when LOB came out, and did too ^_^ Cyberjar ftw!
May we get the story of dragon rulers sorry i wasn't around when they were wreaking havoc.
Well Dzeff did make a video about why they should stay banned so you always check that out.
Hey meta sheep. Yes Im talking about you people who bass old cards and only play the 2-3 decks that go on tournaments each year. Listen capital g's story and tell me. Why do you like the mess yugioh turned into more than that beautiful game?
i hate the meta now and really miss when yugioh was chill like this
Bro graceful charity was unbanned?? This ygo history has me shook haha
I loved the GX era.
So what's that other flip deck that you mentioned in your video, Cap? I wanna see it!
Flip effects were More trust of urself or get baited. Or even known baited . Back then game was very fun cause u never knew what is going up.
The good ol days!
Capital G you hurt my soul... all I ask is a Vid on Dark Armed Dragon and his Formats: Dark Armed Return & TeleDad
I actually covered Dark Armed Return two weeks ago. Scroll to the end of this video and there's a link
MegaCapitalG okay Papa G, now The Rise & Fall Of Dark Armed Emperor 😉 sorry as a Yugioh player never satisfied. But great video nevertheless