Harbor Freight Tools EXPOSED! ICON Tools Double Box End Ratcheting Wrenches Review
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0:46 - Tool Showcase
00:57 - Review Starts
01:36 - Advantages
02:10 - Demonstration
03:16 - Harbor Freight Exposed
03:35 - Other Rebrands
05:00 - Kabo tools Patents
07:33 - Overview
08:25 - Should you buy?
09:33 - In Closing
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ATTENTION HARBOR FREIGHT SHILLS AND FANBOYS... WATCH TO END before you comment! This is a review of Harbor Freight Tools newer ICON double box end ratcheting wrench set and halfway through this video I EXPOSE who actually designed these icon wrenches and where else you can find them.
Harbor Freight tools made a big splash when they first dropped these new ICON tools several months back. It started with harbor freight giving youtubers free Icon tool sets in exchange for good reviews. From there it quickly escalated into guys on youtube getting free $5000 Icon toolboxes all for the sake of a good video review. I don't know about you, free tools are one thing, but when a company starts handing out FREE ICON toolboxes... SOMETHING IS UP.
We all know Harbor freight Isn't giving these toolboxes away out of the kindness of their heart but how is any of that supposed to help you guys decide if these ICON wrenches are for you? So today I'm going to tell you the truth about ICON tools and ICON wrenches. I'm not on the take from ICON tools or Harbor Freight tools so were going to see what a guy who's not on Harbor Freight tools payroll, ICON tools payroll, or doesn't constant push Harbor Freight videos all day, thinks about this ICON tools wrench set.
Harbor Freight exposed! ICON Tools Double Box End Ratcheting Wrenches Review - Auta a dopravní prostředky
You've researched this a lot. I know others have said stuff similar about this but putting together all of it together,thank you.
I been replacing a lot of my old and worn craftsman tools with ICON, for the price and having a harbor freight 15 miles from me it's my best option, so far I haven't broken a socket or wrench yet, harbor freight is the new Sears in my opinion.
They are much like the new Sears, but Tekton has some of the best quality compared to the old Craftsman . I haven't personally tried any Icon yet
If it was made in Taiwan, it was made by Kabo. They make Blue Point, Pittsburgh Pro, ICON, Tekton, Capri, Carlyle, Titan, and a bunch of other brands. ICON has a premium baked in the price though.
Until it's made back here in America then it ain't truly like Craftsman back then. SK and Wright have a better claim to being the new Craftsman than HF
@@Amish234 SK and Wright were always far superior to Craftsman, why would you say they've now sunk in quality to be "the new craftsman"?
New as in they're not as expensive as Snap-On yet still Made in the US. I don't count even Taiwanese rebrands as good as old USA Craftsman because it's an insult to the affordable yet quality American made product that's been lost to offshoring
Garnett is the best tool detective on you tube! He gets to the bottom of everything
Great video. I like the research you showed. I have had these wrenches for months and love them. I have not had to warranty one yet, but based on previous HF warranty issues, its an easy process. Bring the broken tool in for an exchance. With the warranty HF offers, these are the best value IMO. Great work. Keep sharing great vids.
Great video man, you put a lot of work in and it shows. I have the Monster/Mountain version of these and have been very happy with them, was going to do a video myself on the subject but about a different issue I have with their sets. You covered a lot of things I never even thought about! Good job and keep getting after it brother.
Great detailed information , which allows everyone to make a choice that fits them the best . Now they can now compare prices, warranty, Availability and know who truly manufactured & designed the tool.
Appreciate the support, this is absolutely why I provide information like this.
You spared no effort to make this great review! Thank you, Sir!
My hf told me if it breaks bring the tool in and they will give me a new one no questions
I find skips in sets is a deal breaker for me. I thought Icon said no skips in sets. So annoying when you don't have the size you need and you can't buy individual at Harbor Freight.
it is sad but they are counting on you to not need to use these sets because they are a specialty item, most bolts should be able to be gotten off or on with a regular wrench or ratchet. the matco set has skips as well
Skips, and especially unavailable skips, are always a deal breaker for me. I want to know what tool to grab for any job and not have one tool for 9mm and another tool for 10 mm, etc.
i dont think ive ever used a 9mm for anything
@@hunterXhamster I know I have at least once and found it very odd. 20 mm is another weird one. F250 factory rancho shock stem is 20mm.
You don’t need it till you do.
For my OCD I would have to go with the Carlyle to augment my other Carlyle tools.
Same here.
augmented OCD... does that mean you are your OWN enabler? just curious as I'm my OWN role model
I have been incredibly happy with all of my ICON purchases so far. I had my rollaway stolen years ago full of old american made craftsman professional and snapon tools. Ever since I had been working out of a box of mismatched junk tools. Now I am buying up all the ICON I can afford. I have all the standard depth sockets and the combination wrenches and the comfort grip rachets and 1/2 inch breaker bar. No problems yet. Now I am gonna start buying all the deep sockets
Really enjoy the blow molded trays they come in also. Once I buy a few more things though the trays will have to go because they Rob so much space in my drawers and I mostly work out of a tech cart
@@IMKINDOFABIGDEAL13 not blow molded. It's vacuum molded.
@@littlejackalo5326 you are totally correct. I used to work on injection molding machines and know my plastic processes well just mis spoke
Just bought the 'Mountain' brand version of these on Amazon this summer in Metric and Standard - recommended by the 'Car Wizard'.
Those double flex wrenches are a MUST HAVE if you are a tech!
Glad to see HF is selling higher quality tools and boxes now. I told the cashier guy there that I could never work there, cause my checks would already be spent before payday even came around.
There's a place for guys who want to stop at NAPA or HF to get a quick swap on such a fragile but useful wrench.
I appreciate having more than one retailer/reseller/brand to induce competition. Even when they come out of the same place.
These oem reveal videos of yours on popular tools are great. Any chance you can go over the Dewalt hand tools like ratchets and combo (non ratcheting) wrenches?
Thing is, we *don't* know these are identical. They look the same, but small changes can be made. The AIT tools had a different ratchet gear, for example. And they can be manufactured with different metals, tolerances, and processes.
Easily the best video on these “Mountain” wrenches (that’s what most people seem to know them as) that I’ve seen. And I’m a dealer tech, and have been using the Icon versions daily for 6 months. I haven’t had to warranty any... yet.
Wow, thanks! appreciate the love! and like I said I've only had to warranty the one!
I have the mountain and GearWrench versions of these tools, all have worked great and been pretty strong. The 19mm was just warrantied out by my GearWrench guy, lucky to have a truck that comes in, it began to jam and not ratchet after 2 years use.
I would buy GearWrench over Icon or Pittsburgh or any of the tools from Hazard Fraud.
@@eric63377 The issue with GearWrench is the time it takes to get a replacement under warranty. Best I know they don't have any local stores.
Really nice video, love the in depth review!
I like the perspective on this set. I’ve almost pulled the trigger on these several times, but never can lol.
They ask me if I purchased the Carlyle at their store every time I bring one in for warranty. I keep my receipt just in case, but haven't had an issue with getting them warrantied.
Damn dude, I’m watching this like... this kid might be brilliant! Keep up the good work homie!
Hi mate love the tool videos 1 question though would you have any clue where dayona tools are made?
These are on my Christmas list. I want them over the mountains for the warranty. Heard stories of mountains being very difficult to warranty.
Thank you for this comparison. It's good information and useful to know how the Icon compares to other brands.
Thank you for doing the research! Very much appreciated to help me make a buying decision.
This is the first time I have caught your video, and I like it because it is very informative. I am a regular customer of Harbor Freight, so this was of special interest to me. I don't like their policy of requiring the original receipt and they only give you 90 days. As long as the item has their company's SKU number they know that it came from one of their stores, but that isn't their policy unfortunately. My son and I bought a Cen-Tech battery charger and a jump starter and paid over $100 for both pieces. They both quit working after 1 use and we didn't have the original receipt. I no longer buy that type of tool from them. Looking forward to future videos.
I’ve never heard of a centec charger that didn’t fail soon after purchase. Been through three of them myself. Gave up and bought a 30 year old used one at a yard sale. No problems for the last 3 years.
Give them your phone number to store all of your purchases. No need to keep receipts.
You really did your homework for this presentation! Thank you.
You see this a lot in power tools as well. TTI owns Milwaukee, Ryobi, Bosch, and many others and while there may be some unique features to some of those brands you can tell by handling them back to back they're likely coming out of the same factories. It's the illusion of choice. Pretty much every item in your average grocery store is produced by one of nine corporations.
Great point about the engineering, or lack there of! I knew companies rebrand products, but when you said there was no mention of the tools being designed by icon in usa, that’s so true. Never thought about the packaging or engraving etc.
Yeah, you gotta watch those shady, highly educated marketing people!!! I've seen Mad Men, I know what they're capable of!
great review ! keep them coming . I really can appreciate the honesty ..... more please
Another great video. Should be noted that Cornwell also has these wrenches. I recently unloaded my mountain ones just strictly for ease of warranty.
Appreciate the support bud! I tried looking up Cornwell versions because I know they use Kabo as well but I couldn't find a listing on their website which may be a little out dated.
Very good review, thorough and detailed... Thank you...
Great research sir. I have been pleasantly surprised by the Carlyle tools i have. I often over look them tho when making my purchase
Thanks, I also LIKE many Carlyle tools, I don't think people give them much credit.
Awesome details! Love the research you did on them.
Great video and very informative. Keep up the good work. I still like my 1980s Craftsman box end wrenches. Honestly I have been adding Tekton and Gearwrench to my tool box lately.
Thanks bud, will do. Tekton as well seems like a very high quality option and Gearwrench more cost effective.
@@GarnettTools I just subscribed with notifications on, so I can see more honest reviews. I am a fan of harbor Freight tools but definitely not a fanboy.
I use my Craftsman double box ends from the eighties too. I'm starting to use Capri wrenches now and love those too. My China Craftsman combo ratcheting wrenches are crap and they do nothing but take up space in my tool box.
Nice comment, I also purchased my core set of tools from Craftsman back in the late 70s and early 80s. All USA made combination wrenches, six point sockets and teardrop and round head ratchets, 1/4 3/8 1/2. Still have them all and use them today. Although I have added a lot hand tools from Gearwrench, Tekton, Sunex, Capri Tools, Proto, SK, Carlyle, Williams, and some others. Not really big on HF, although their Pittsburgh Pro impact sockets have not failed me yet.
These ICONS (Kabo) are some of the best quality in this range I’ve seen for the money spent! And that’s from a Snap On guy. Tools vary greatly between types. People need to be more open minded. For me I like most ICON stuff and it performs well. For ratchets I still love Snap on and for sockets KOKEN Japan 🇯🇵 all day and twice on Sunday.
Interesting that all those brands are all kabos.
It's not just rebranding -_-
@@bradleygroves7229 Matco, ICON, Carlyle, Mountain, and Kabo versions of theses wrenches are identical. I work as a technician and own the Mountain set and a coworker owns a Matco set and i can tell you they are identical.
My class mate just got these open box special for $140. They seem really nice.
They are, especially at that price
The wrenches have a lifetime warranty there's no way they're going to make you bring them a receipt. You could give him a phone number but if you didn't buy them say someone else bought them for you as a gift it's not going to come up under the phone number you give them. Harbor freight is supposedly really good with their warranty like Sears used to be just bring them in and I'll give you another one from off the shelf
Don't Forget about EZ-Red. I have a combination of EZ-Reds and Mountains. They are handy when you need them, but definitely don't put the torque to them, just use them for reach.
great info though. Ill have to check Kabo vs SK. SK was the originator of the offset spline double box with reverse side selector.
Great research thank you for taking the time..
Thanks for the vid! New sub
Not surprised to find that the chinesium discount tool super store is using the same manufacturer as other tools that cost 2x as much or more.
I'm no pro so harbor freight provides me with everything I could want or need at my budget. If I were using them daily then I would be willing to pay more for a tool that can take the abuse.
I got mine from my MATCO guy for the same price. Easy warranty process there. Plus I’d rather pay him. Just my thoughts.
I'm a licensed auto mechanic.. I like the professional review.. Keep up the good work..
Sir you have a great information video I subscribed now I am not surprised that those wrenches are the same as the others just with another me stamped
I'm looking at the GW version, because of the box end. Heard too many things about a lack of reliability with Kabo, that their wrenches shouldn't be used to break fasteners loose, which is the opposite of what I want in a XXL wrench. No personal experience, however.
Get the mountains
How long does it take until the swivel gets so loose it just flops around?
Best tool review I have seen I a while!
It isn't easy to give thumbs up to Harbor Freight, but the video was well thought out with a non-bias description. I found Harbor freight tools when in need, just are not there and it is a pain to return the tool and the same thing breaks again almost insane hoping the new replacement is going to work this time.
I have a feeling icon brought out these wrenches mainly because they are very popular and wanting to sell the same thing but in their brand and stuff. I feel like the main reason you buy these is for the warranty
they are all the same but not all have the same warranty either platinum only offers a year warranty where as the mountain, Carlyle, and tool truck offer a lifetime. nice video!
For me just depends which store is closer. My case Napa but good because I can buy a individual.
as far i've experienced at harbor freight exchanging Icon, so long as they can make out its an Icon, was never asked for a receipt or phone number.
U can buy the icon wrenches on offer up for one hundred all day and if you want wrenches that sell for 3 times more original price are the double box end made in USA wrench u can sell as high as 500 they are hard to find
Man really could have used this video before I bought my matcos
Great video man! Subscribing 👍
I will stick with Carlyle warranty is easy I broke the 13mm took it to Napa they ordered me anew one and brought it to my shop
Apparently those wrenches break alot.
@@ninjanerdbjjandfitness9544 They all do if you work them every day. I purchased the Carlyle set simply because NAPA will warranty them and deliver a replacement to my shop. The Carlyle set is more expensive but I ain’t got time for chasing replacements.
That’s funny because harbor freight will give it to you at the store, no order required.
I prefer Napa they are a locally owned business and I get parts there it is more convenient than going to harbor freight.
my HF said it was lifetime and they would swap it no matter what, and this was after I showed him a wrench and told him I got it at a pawn shop.
I haven't touched an icon tool as of yet. But what do you think of reckon tools, there doing a fair amount of US made stuff now, I've used there picks and some punches so far they're very good for the price close to gearwrench/sunex and or a tool truck for me,I'm waiting for there crows foot set to show up, I considering there angle wrench set as well
Good video thx for the info
New subscriber
Great job on your videos Sir
awesome info! ... do you know who makes icon sockets? ... . I guess its a bad idea to buy used icon tools
Very well thought out review with some eye opening information. You got me as a new subscriber, thanks.
Welcome aboard! Glad you liked the information presented here.
I got this set and I’m pleased with them
Carlyle wrenches, how do you find quality wise ? Better the sane as icon
I have the mountain set, love it
The thing I am impressed with about Icon tools is that they are tool truck quality at a lower price, but have a no questions asked warranty. They also seem to be sturdier than the Pittsburgh line up from Harbor Freight.
"They also seem to be sturdier than the Pittsburgh line"
I think that's a key point. HF decided to move into the higher quality ranges but not abandon their budget limited customers. In the long run, a good marketing move.
Thanks for this very educational video.
I really want them to make an sae version of this, I have found them but they have 90 day warranty. I need that lifetime BABY
The most important thing to remember about harbor freight is that they are NOT a manufacturer; they are a distributor. They find generic Chinese and Taiwanese manufactured tools (not always a bad thing) and they rebrand and sell them at a markup for the marketing and warranty. They’re in business to make money, there’s nothing wrong with that, if you do your research you can find Icon branded tools on Amazon or elsewhere for significantly cheaper but then good luck with trying to warranty a broken tool. Because of how harbor freight operates, some of their tools are going to be tool truck quality because they’re the same manufacturers, and some of them are flat out trash (pliers and screw drivers). Great video! Thank you for the review!
This deserves a sub...thanks for the research and information 👍
Hi ya “Skipper”!
@@donaldhollums3278 LMAO, I've been called that my whole life. I have the same middle name too...almost like my parents did it on purpose
@@ABH313 my Dad always called me Donald Duck!
@@donaldhollums3278 lol parents...
Thanks for the sub! Much appreciated!
If you have a fighting Matco franchisee. Best just by icon wrenches if you can. They are the same and you'll have way less hassle getting them warranty if you need to
I just wished they made a 6 piece set, I use the 11mm (7/16) size often.
You just answered my question. I wonder about manufacturers of icon I wondered if they were snap-on or that of Mac tools not macco same manufacturers distribute all of them I bought a set of sockets half inch drive metric and they resemble a Snap-On socket great performance great tools I'm not knocking the tools
Love your videos! You do a great job with each.
Thank you so much! I appreciate the support!!!
So does Kabo make all of the HF Icon hand tools? Or just this particular design of ratcheting box wrenches?
No, certain wrench sets. They are also using Hi-five and Infar from what I can tell
@@GarnettTools Interesting to know if they are or will be private labeling other tool truck tools.
HF did design the ICON logo on the wrench. 😂 I owned this set of wrench and very happy with them.
Carlyle goes straight to napa and they bring new wrench straight to the shop, if it's not in stock when I walk through the door. No # required, that's why youbuy local.
I love tool reviews
I personally cant stand those wrenches but I loved the previous non swivel head ones that are getting harder to find everyday it seems .. I got mine from matco thinking if I ever had an issue I could get a replacement right...wrong they keep trying to give me a swivel head one ...I have a whole set of non swivel wrenches so no I'm not going to just have one oddball swivel head in my non swivel set ...my OCD cant do it lol
But I've broken so many of the swivel head versions maybe I'm too hard on them idk ..I just wish I could find a dependable way to get the old ones in 17 years owning them only broken 1 and that was all me lol
Keep up the good work and don't give into the free Harbor Freight tools for reviews. Another CZcamsr told me about this and now I'm suspect of a lot of Harbor Freight super positive reviews.
Do they work and are they worth the price? That's the only thing that matters to me.
Don't you lose all of your torque when the head is pivoted?
I have these in snap on. They work great
@oShane Kasper they were like 575 bucks. I paid them off in little over a month. Now the 100th anniversary box I got just got is a different story.😂
great video Garnett
i don't understand why people have such a hard time understanding how you have to pay for quality tools don't matter who makes them
and then they cry when they break them you need to know the limitations of the tool the ratchet wrench is not really intended to break the faseners free
and they are not going to take the pressure of you bouncing on them if you use your tool the way they are intended they should serve you well that is why any mechanic worth his salt has tools to sacrifice wether that means cutting bending or wielding the tool to the fastener you do what needs to be done to get the job done
You're telling me my 1/2" breaker bar was not DESIGNED for me to stand on it? Why does it have those knurlings for traction on my shoes then?
@@snap-off5383 this is from my itty-bitty You Tube channel. Forgive the crappy audio. I’m sure to get some grief about the ICON breaker bar, but I have lost sleep over more important things. czcams.com/video/MhzbVw5lnyg/video.html
@@snap-off5383 LoL everything has a weight limit 👍🇨🇦
The other end of the tool could be designed by icon. The way patents work is a company can buy rights to make or buy the ends from the owner of the patent. They could design every other part down to the material choice and if the designers could have bought the end and designed the rest to conform to size of the other end. It's a wrench only so many ways to make one.
Any tool that can save me a lot of money and still make a lot of money I’m good with. Nowadays so many toolbrands out there can do the same job as tooltruck companies.
It sucks they don’t make these damn wrenches in an 11mm. How did they skip that size?
But with HF you get that warranty and can swap it out anytime
Sears had that. What good is it today?
So don't buy icon used expecting to use warranty?
I bought these months ago, I went with the icons for me it was a matter of deciding which place would be easiest to warranty then I went with price, I used a 20% off coupon off instagram. Use these a work I’m a flat rate technician & luv them
If you buy it online does harbor freight ask you for a phone number or email address
So basically what you said is they are tool truck quality and infact are the same exact wrenches as the Carlyle set. What you neglected to mention is the are $100 cheaper than the exact same wrenches simply bc they don't say Carlyle on them. Also your warranty information is misleading. I have never once been required to present either a receipt or phone number at Harbor Freight to warranty a tool. Just take it to the register and they just tell you to go get another.
Nice research!
you don't need a receipt or phone number for lifetime warranty items at harbor freight. Those cashiers you spoke to are just confused or misinformed. They're taught to tell people that the phone numbers help them with warranty claims whenever people resist giving out their phone numbers, but they don't fully understand why they're saying it (which is because harbor freight really wants them to get phone numbers). It's only necessary for items that have a limited warranty period.
That said, I would be wary of any store brand that doesn't carry the store's name. Lowes used to have a great warranty but now they're trying to act like Kobalt isn't their own brand, and telling customers to "call Kobalt" when they want to warranty an item that they bought in the store. Just happened to me this morning
When i was a mechanic i could guess the price of matco tools a bit too much Xs five , For me harbor freight is good enough .
which is cheaper?
So Icon are Matco?