I screwed up...expensive paint fail!!
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- čas přidán 21. 01. 2023
- I screwed up...expensive paint fail!! This time at the Quick Speed Shop I messed up...I think. 1980 Dodge W200 build, sand blasted the frame, used Eastwood Fast Etch, East Rust Encapsulator. Paint was dry for over two weeks, put chassis outside in the rain. Fast Etch reacted with rain water somehow and bubbled through the paint, ruining it. Did I screw up? I don't know. Reached out to Eastwood, waiting to hear back. Cost to get frame blasted again and this time epoxy primered the blaster...$1200! Ouch.
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I’m sure that will haunt you for a while. Write the check and then focus on the things you enjoy. The cab roof, a ride in one of your favorite cars to get a burger with your pals, and a trip to the junk yard to kick flat tires.
I think anyone that has a project has had a crazy fail. My very first project in 1971 was a Corvan. Spent big bucks to rebuild the engine. Then driving it in its first 100 miles it blew apart because of inexperience. Restarted the project and moved on.
Keep us posted on how it goes with Eastwood.
I admire your rant in that you were professional and discussed the problem rather than going crazy and screaming all over the video.
As always thanks for the entertainment. It means a lot to folks that can’t get out and work on stuff any more and to those that use these videos to learn how to do their projects.
Trust me I was pretty upset about it off camera, but trying to keep it PG-13 for the CZcamss. Is what it is, just cost me tons of extra money and some time and logistics. Turned out better in the long run because I was able to get the frame primed with epoxy this time so it will be super durable.
I know it hurts but I want to thank you for sharing things that go wrong. I feel like I'm some kind of an idiot when I make mistakes. It's good to know it's part of the process even for guys who know their stuff like you. Once you get it back from the sandblaster and start moving forward again I bet things will start to look up.
I make mistakes sometimes because I wing it a lot. This stuff I have seen other people use and promote with no problems so I don't know what I did wrong, but at least it showed up early.
@@QuickSpeedShop I've been watching a video by Iron Trap Garage using Eastwoods Fast Etch on a 1932 Roadster. Now I understand your pain. I hope you can figure out what happened and save some pain for others. This is a clip where IronTrap talks about Eastwood Fast Etch czcams.com/video/Z09G8T8Bo0k/video.html . (I understand if you delete this comment linking to another channel.)
I know that Matt uses it all the time and the sprays Rust Encapsulator over the top. Never seen him have any issues. I don't know what happened to mine, but whatever, its all fixed now.
Oh no mistake happens it's how we learn, Sorry it happened Josh but thanks for sharing this video
Yeah it sucks. Mostly for the cost involved. I got the frame back now with epoxy primer which is way more durable than the Eastwood stuff anyway.
ouch.. sorry to hear. :( We ALL have times like this..Frustrating for sure.. Move forward and use as lesson learned.. Stuff happens.
Thanks. Frame is back and all painted and assembled again this weekend and looks mint so moving forward again.
Dang, tough luck with the frame...That's a lot of Genny. So sorry. Ya win some you lose some, keep the faith and keep on trucking!
Could have been a lot worse. Truck could have all together.
Man how disappointing, sorry to hear that
Thanks. It's fixed now, just cost me time and money.
👍🏻they that sucks, at least you found out about it now and not later. “Sometimes good things fall apart so better things can happen” try to keep your spirits up!
Yeah, no kidding. I would have been really screwed if the frame was under the truck when I found out!
Man-that sucks.
Yeah, but its on the mend now. Just wish my wallet wasn't empty!
bummer !
I know! 👎
You need to pickup the wet sand blasting attachment the hooks up to a pressure washer it would save you some money, sorry to see the paint fail but hopefully that would be an option that might work for you
I actually have a large industrial blaster, but I'm afraid to run it because it's so loud I don't want to piss off my neighbors sandblasting for hours on end.
Sorry to hear about your experience. Hopefully, by posting this it will save others from the same fate. Hang in there. I had a similar type of experience with some epoxy primer. I completely took my Model A body apart sanded it down, cleaned it and applied epoxy primer. For some reason the outside of the body panels seemed to have turned out pretty good, but I did the inside of the panels a different day, and later on, noticed the inside was bubbling and rusting under the epoxy. By this time I had my media blaster working and stripped it down again and used several stages of Rustoleum. I called the manufacturer, but he just tried to blame me. I understand the frustration. Best wishes for an improved New Year.
That sucks. I never had any trouble with epoxy, but did have self etching primer react with stuff before.
Are used a rust encapsulator on the roof and hood of my Monte Carlo to get the surface rust to stop and I actually did worse. It turned to a white chaulky mess and rusted even worse so I feel you!
None of that stuff is all its cracked up to be. I guess it works on a car that sits inside and never gets driven.
@@QuickSpeedShop maybe but I’m not using any of that crap anymore
If not for mistakes, we wouldn’t learn an there wouldn’t be progress an improvement. 💪🔧😎
That's true. Just wish that it wasn't so expensive!
@@QuickSpeedShop now its custom 😎
Epoxy is the way to go but you better paint it within 36 - 40 hrs or you will need to scuff it according to the epoxy primer instructions. Also rattle can may disappoint you bro. just have them put a coat of eurethene black on afterwards its great for fluid film and u v light. I just finished my 86 dodge frame last fall its on my youtube page check out the quality if you want. Just a suggestion good luck love your content.
I had the blaster prime it for me as I'm not set up to spray right now. It was all the money, but will be worth it. I just sprayed the frame with Rustoleum Professional flat black. It's not as good as urethane, but the Fluid Film sinks right into it and creeps everywhere vs a harder urethane. Your frame came out nice!
@@QuickSpeedShop awesome can't wait to see your truck when it's done...mine should be close by next summer...good luck Mopar brohammer
degree in autobody/collision here metal etching acid is used to neutralize the oxidation (rust) because sand blasting DOES NOT get out deep pitting rust sand blasting is never 100%. after etching let it sit for an amount of time specified on the product label very important next step is to hose down everything with water to get excess etching off we did extensive classroom experiments on million panels over course of months this very issue we did very little hardly ever sandblasting because you end up with media everywhere when its time to topcoat its still better to wire wheel then etch then rinse then immediately blow dry with air. when your etching bare metal if you see any microscopic black spots that's rust the sand blasting missed
Thanks for the info. I've blasted cars 25 years ago, then used Dupont phosphate coating that was mixed with water to protect fresh blasted metal from flash rust. Never had any paint issues, just Scotch Brite and prime. No issues 25 years later. This Fast Etch must have acid in it, but all the directions say to do is wipe off access with Eastwood Pre or acetone. No mention of water or paint reactions. I know Matt from Irontrap uses Fast Etch all the time exactly as I did. He used to work for Eastwood. He just put out a vid today with a T frame clearly coated with Fast Etch. I know he paints his frames with Rust Encapsulator and never showed any issues. I need to call Eastwood and see what the deal is.
Man,,,I feel for you,,,,,what a way to start the New Year,,,Or even start your day !!!!! It hurts when you think you did everything right,,I know you won't try that again,,,,,Thanks for sharing all the info,,,,
Yeah, pretty bad WTF moment when I went out to look the first thing on New Year's Day.
Hello Josh, I am not so sure that you screw up, here is my thoughts, I used for years now phosphoric acid. If you look at the eastwood fast ech it is mainly composed of this acid and zinc phosphate. It is recommended to clean the acid off after some hours to stop the chemical reaction. Indeed the acid is freeing the oxygen that are contained in the surface oxydes of your frame (or inside the rust if any). If you dont stop the reaction, the reaction keeps going and give you bubbles until there is no more oxydes. The zinc is there to enable a good phosphatation of your metal even if it should occurs at higher temperature ideally. Personnaly I did more or less the same than you on parts that I didnt care about the surface aspect, and I never add problems with theses bubbles, I am not saying it is ideal situation but it no so big problem. Here the main problem is that bubbles were underneath the paint. It wise to me when using phosphoric acid to wait before painting with anything on it. I am also used to brush it roughly before painting. You can also reduce the chemical activity by applying water that will balance the pH AND dry it right after before coating with paint . Regarding eastwood and others I dont buy these type of products because price is 10x the raw industrial phosphoric acid price.
I never had this problem before using other phosphate coatings from Dupont so not sure what happened. I need to call Eastwood and see if they have any insight.
@@QuickSpeedShop Hope you will have on call a good chemical specialist :-)
Oh man Josh that really sucks. Eastwood should be more responsible and add caution or a simple step 1&2 instruction on the label or enclosed with the shipping label imagine if you didn't catch it before you mounted the body
Yeah, really lucky I didn't have a problem later!
It's not too late. Nothing is known unless it's said. That's a quote that Dick McCourt always says to me!
Just takes time and money to fix it!
I hope you call Eastwood and complain . Maybe they will give you new materials. I won't hurt to try!
I emailed them, but didn't hear anything. It's been a couple of weeks. I might call them at some point. I just got the frame back and am now moving on with the build.
Josh dang, sorry to see the problem with your frame painting. Thanks for sharing your experience hopefully Eastwood will reach out and help you understand where and what exactly went wrong. You put so much time and money to do it right and for it to turn out so you have to do it again sure leaves a bad taste in using their products again. Frustrating does not quite fully describe how you are feeling for sure. I do have a question about your headlight you were using to show the frame is it’s lightbar brand. I need to get another light and those look pretty nice.
Yeah, I was bumming pretty hard, more at the $1200 it was going to cost to fix if than anything else. The headlight was a cheap from TSC. The battery doesn't last very long which sucks. It was a 2 pack for $14 so I guess that speaks to the quality. Not sure the brand as I threw the box away.
Bummed I believe would be a understatement for me 😆. My last headlight came off the MAC truck only lasted 3 years looking for something better.
Hey Josh if you wanna borrow my pressure blaster you can. It'll take that frame right back to metal. My preference for topcoat is chassis saver. I used it on both the cars I did.
-Phil
Thanks Phil. I already had the frame blasted again and epoxied after this video was made.
Ok cool. We'll see you on the next video then
I was never impressed that much with Eastwood products. What they sell seems to be the same stuff you can buy from other folks and at a lot cheaper prices than you can from Eastwood.
That would make you mad 🫣
More like disappointed and broke!
Eastwood will probably throw a lot of stuff at you to try and compensate for your loss. If this video disappears and I start seeing their name logo showing up on products or tools in your videos then I'll know. Personally I don't use their prep stuff, there's plenty of manufacturers out there who specialize in those businesses. ITG uses Eastwood stuff because he used to work for them and is sponsored by them. It's a business arrangement.
I called their tech line twice and they didn't have any info on why this happened.
Did you give eastlwood a call to see what they say about it ? to late now to say anything more but would think a frame from a other truck would be cheaper ! feel for you man !
I emailed them, but didn't hear back. The part that sucks is I did the Fast Etch because Matt from Irontrap does the same thing to protect his bare metal and he used to work at Eastwood. I've used similar stuff from Dupont and never had a problem. I just got the frame back from the blaster and he epoxied it for me this time, but it did cost $1200 so I'm pretty bummed about it. Thank God the frame wasn't under the truck when I found out.
@@QuickSpeedShop Maybe e-mail iron trap. (Matt ) see what he said's about ! Seams like they should get back to you and tell you what you did or not do right or maybe just to vent about there product ,maybe it a bad batch or like you said they should said in big letters need a neutralizer before paint !!!
I'm going to ask Matt next time I see him to see if he has had any problems. Would appreciate if Eastwood would add any input, but at this point I need to keep moving forward.
@@QuickSpeedShop Ok good luck !! I see matt is just posted a video and is going to treat it after sandblasting good time to see what he said ! And yes I guess you e-mail Westwood a wile ago they need to step up (customer support ) no reply is very BAD !111 Any way forge on Man !
#1 Eastwood will undoubtedly claim no responsiblity for your actions.
#2 Please tell the story often! But I imagine you're not the only one with the same results.
#3 Thanks!👍
Yeah, I figure it won't go anywhere. Just sucks that it cost me time and a pile of money.
Welcome to 2023. Arrrgh
2023 started off with several days of disaster!
Man, that stinks!!!
Tell me about it! 3 weeks worth of getting frame redone (just got it back) and $1200 to reblast and epoxy prime!
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