Julia Hartley Brewer's transgender clash with Labour MP
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Shadow Equalities Minister Charlotte Nichols has said criticism of trans swimmer Lia Thomas amounted to "lazy transphobia". Lia Thomas has made headlines after becoming the first transgender athlete to win an NCAA final.
Julia asks: "Is it lazy transphobia for a woman like myself to say a man competing against women is cheating and is ruining women's sport?
Labour MP James Murray emphasises that debating trans issues should be done "sensitively".
"This debate gets heated- it's important for all of us to take the heat out of the debate and approach it in a sensitive way."
Julia: "Don't you think it's strange that you're sitting there as a man and telling me what a woman is?"
This follows JK Rowling stating that "the Labour Party can no longer be counted on to defend womenâs rights" after Labour leader Keir Starmer stated that "trans women are women".
#jamesmurray #juliahartleybrewer #transdebate #liathomas #charlottenichols
Listening to him talk makes my heart sink. The fact that people like him are MPs indicates that this country is beyond repair.
probably doesn't actually really believe what hes saying but has to be ..politically correct of course , what a load of nonsense , other 'proper women' should refuse to compete against this individual
Fantastic interviewing Julia............how on earth did we ever get here?
What an upside down topsy-turvy full of crap world they are creating, where are all the women's rights groups, they to seem to be swallowing this utter rubbish.
Did he say these things when asking for votes?
He's just towing the line, and I want them to keep doing it as it'll make them look more and more unelectable. This issue is where even a lot of liberals will draw the line.
You couldnt have said it any better, as this country gone bonkers ??? To think the Labour Party as MP' s what doesnt know what a man & women is, is unbelievable. Who votes these for these clowns ??? This interview should be shown on all main stream media channels & let every corner of the UK see this & what is happening to this beautiful country.
This man has just talked himself and the Labour Party into the realms of the Monster Raving Loony party.
Except that The Monster Raving Lonny Party are compose of sane individuals....
I think the MRLP would distance themselves from him.
Thats an insult to the Monster Racing Loony Party đ
What a knob head đĄ
lol they wouldn't have him tbh but great comment..
I canât believe this man has been put in any position of responsibility
You can hear his little voice trembling with fear, in case he accidentally says something truthful or factually accurate on the subject.
The U.K. has become such a woke, pathetic country. Unrecognisable from the country I grew up in.
Tragic!
Good.
no it has not. its the same garbage in every western city, wokeness will fade away ,labour are doomed
This disgusting insidious woke culture arrived here from the USA!
same as U fucking S
The left who have gone insane, have taken over.
JHB is 100% correct. The sheer malevolence of biological males defending the abuse of the rights and safety of biological females is an utter disgrace.
*femalevolence
Biological females are also supporting biological males competing in female sports
@@johnanthonylucock7833 that is incorrect. The young ladies are forced to compete or lose scholarships and sponsors. They have even gone so far as to make them sign an NDA in order to maintain their scholarship to continue school. Smh.
@@johnanthonylucock7833 ruled through fear , kinda like everyone in north korea supports kim jon un , FOR A REASON
@@johnanthonylucock7833 How many "trans-men" (biological females) are attempting to gate-crash men's sporting events? I thought so. None is the answer...
When this madness ends (and it will eventually) these people need to be held accountable
Keep keeping the heat in the discussion Julia! Love your work đđđ
The intelligence level of a growing number of our MP's, is starting to fall below acceptable levels.
What a load of b*"""""s. Totally agree with the interviewer đĄ
" starting to fall ".
To think MPs like him make decisions whether to go to war with Russia...! ! !
Thats always been the case!
Starting?
Labour making themselves completely unelectable over these insane progressive ideologies. How Julia keeps putting herself through this is commendable. I myself could just not be bothered.
I'm glad she does, though. It's allowing the watching public to see how an MP views the issue, and thus how it's likely to pan out for biological women in the future.
There's nothing "progressive" about it. We should all stop referring to it as such.
@@j2174 Agree, regressive, let's go with that, also need to stop using the word gender as people seem so confused. If we use sex instead I am convinced the whole debate falls apart there and then.
Labour the party of minorities but not the white working class of course
@@whiteworkingclass7678 And a party of seeking victims - there are fewer and fewer victims for the labour party to identify with so they start making victims out of thin air or indeed create a victim without actually realising the real victims are women.
Julia's expression as she looks down at him over her spectacles is priceless.
Love you Julia! Please keep up the good work. We need more like you speaking out!
How has it got to the point where people struggle to define what a woman is for fear of offending someone
It is crazy. Who is the twit that has screwed things up by their erroneous categorisation of transphobia. It has got to the point where even discussing crossdressers is transphobic. That swimmer is a crossdresser not a woman,there i have said it and woke thinknots can kiss my ....!
@@sirwinstonchurchill2052 Well said because that is it in a nutshell
@@dendradwar9464 all who think this is catastrophically silly should stand up and be counted, I'll bet there are in reality more sensible people than the loonies who can't define the attributes of their own mothers.
@@TheMan-it7px like complaints to such organizations as Offcom, only written letters should be heeded not emails or social media rants. As it is far to easy rant via the internet people do it too often and their voice is too easily heard, whereas in the good old days using the mail you only complained if you really felt strongly about a subject. So these days a 1000 emails might actually equate to a half dozen in days gone by, and so duly ignored as being insignificant and irrelevant. It is the same with PC woke rants having an undue influence on society.
@q If you ever get a visit - ask one simple question "Am I under arrest?" - if the answer is no, then decline any further interaction with the officer in question.
The "visit" is more aimed at developing a case against you, does you no good at all to sit and have a chat.
Imagine a woman spending her whole life training to achieve sporting greatness, then getting her arse kicked by a bloke called Mary. Labour think that's fine đ
Yes, its more important not to rock Mary's delusion 'she' is now what she should have always been rather than the actual sport. Sad reality in Labour.
Hi David, exactly my point! If I had a daughter who had done exactly that and we as a family had made sacrifices to nurture her dream only to have it shattered to pieces like this I'd be livid but.. Tiger mum would bounce back all over their PC đ
The fact that people can look into a camera and lie so consummately, as if they actually believe what they're saying, fills me with rage.
The definition of a woman is biological, itâs defined by the type of chromosomes and sex organs one is born with. Itâs simple and well defined. I honestly canât even believe this has become a âthingâ we need to debate!
It isn't up for debate, but lets face it it is the only little thing they can hang on to to try and prove a point. But they will never win. Its utterly ridiculous!!
Pfff....Pitiful man...
Julia on the other hand is an adult female goddess for talking about women's issues! Thank you Julia for standing up for women!
I agree, but it is going to take ALL women to stand up against this crap!
@Macavity You are off topic. Men identifying as women are impacting many aspects of women's lives. Not just sports. They affect women's spaces, hospital wards, prisons, changing rooms, refuges and more.
Just say you are a woman and thatâs fine ???
How many people actually believe this nonsense?
A few nutters and the rest of us have to jump into line for them. For what reason ?
Itâs NOT sensitive itâs ridiculous, this
Man is totally pathetic
Here, here
@Macavity At what point did it matter which political party supports lunacy? This guy is Labour and an absolute idiot, if it was a conservative spouting this bunkum they would also be an idiot. The conservatives were wrong to bring in the policy you mentioned, why are you attempting to excuse the idiocy of this Labour loony with an example of a very bad policy from conservatives? Also if you had any clue about the realities of life you would know that all sport is rife with doping at all levels but at least its doped up men vs doped up men or doped up women etc etc. You also implying that everyone is quite alright with Eastern block women getting right on the roids as some way to justify men competing against women is patent nonsense. Can you honestly say you know one person who supports proven doping in sport or even more specifically proven doping in Eastern block athletes? I'll go out on a limb and say none!
This is really scary stuff when members of parliament donât even know what a woman is god help us
They do. They just cant say
Their mums must be so proud of them - I donât think
@@patriciakeen6687 no but their joo.ish handlers are
they do, they're just scared of being cancelled by Stonewall and the TRA'S!
Everyone knows who a woman is when they need things expected of women to do for them, to be done for them. And somehow men who sexually harrass or assault women seem to pick them out with perfect accuracy.
That James Murray should be ashamed of himself and should resign immediately!
On many levels we are living in the most insane of times.
99% of the normal public think trans women competing against real women is wrong.
99% of MPs think think this scenario is acceptable. How can that be ?
@Ian Simpson Then they are unprincipled cowards and have no right representing the public.
@Ian Simpson That's because you're sane and not a politician.
Because Labour is composed of arseholes...
@Ian Simpson Correct, all for ÂŁÂŁ today, feck tomorrow
@@lennoxgilbey1833 Now your being silly. What most of us do on these kind of subjects, where common sense is required, is have chats with friends, family ect and get a general idea. If you live in a city like London then you are going to get a lot of wokeness but the rest of the country are always more down to earth.
Gaslighting, pure and simple.
Well done Julia. Brilliantly smashed him out the parkđđđ
The shame of our public officials , stupidity has no limits.
Lia Thomas found it Impossible to '' Win '' against his Own Sex , no matter how hard he had trained .
God help us all with people like this representing us in Parliament...
For information purposes there are 56 MP'S at present who support openly the views expressed by James Murray .MP. it won't be long before the Houses of Parliament is full of testosterone, as it was back in the 18th Century.
I have come to believe that Politicans represent Thenselves , Family , Friends , Lobbyists , Special interest groups and their Advisors , the Voters no longer get a look in .
@@clivewalker5465 your correct there. They have been self-serving since the mid 1970's. Back then it wasn't that noticeable as in general Parliament was closedcto the media. Nowadays through social media and television in Parliament it is very noticeable. Most are in there to make money or push there own agenda, political or otherwise. The term charlatan springs to mind when you mention the Houses of Parliament.
Look, just don't vote Lib/Lab and protect women.
@@galinor7 so we have a choice, don't vote, or if we want to be truly represented, vote for the Conservatives who are only there for the Rich and powerful, I'm poor, can't vote for the greens, can't vote Woke labour, and can't vote for a party that only represents the Rich. So my voice can only be heard via comment such as this on CZcams. That's progress for you!
After that interview, how can anyone (man or woman) even consider voting for woke Labour?
THANK YOU for speaking Logic and Common Sense !!
It never ceases to amaze me the utter bollocks politicians can spout with conviction.
It's always been this way, hasn't it
@@OrwellsHousecat If his sort was in charge of Britain against Putin the tanks would be rolling up Whitehall , 'We must take the heat out of the argument it's not an invasion.'
@@gunternetzer9621 his sort already are in charge đ
Not sure about conviction - he looked like he was kacking himself and rightly so when being exposed by somebody so brainy and eloquent as JHB.
They don't want a load of 16 stone pseudo women coming after them so have to stick to the same old bollocks.
Itâs a disgrace. This is true misogyny.
*misandry
*If* it is true misogyny then surely you can report it as a hate crime?
@Macavity meow đž
It's not misogyny but it is a disgrace.
@@Tondaloona03 I didnât. I have not ever voted labour. So, your assumptionsâŠ..you know how it goes.
She is brilliant
Well done Julia for holding him to account
Keep calling this out Julia.
He doesnât Believe a word heâs saying.
Of course. He's a politician.
@@OrwellsHousecat I lie, but what I just saw was something beyond lying. What he just did is dangerous.
@@thebigredwagon
Interesting.
What is the difference between lying and beyond lying?
What's the danger?
@@OrwellsHousecat I think there is a spectrum to lying like a spectrum to violence. Saying I have a jelly baby in my pocket is one degree of lying that is untrue but the harm is minimal as opposed to me saying to the police that you have a 3 year old in your basement and are saying your going to blow up your street so bring the swat team. Undermining biological facts can cause incredible damage. We reply of binary concepts to understand things. Any idea needs to have margins so we can better develop it. What the mp did was not widen the margins, he made them irrelevant. If we are trying to find a location you need two axis to pinpoint what you want. He essentially took one axis away, do that and all you are is lost, completely lost.
Terminate with extreme prejudice.
Jane Murray, MP.
Its a truly frightening thought, that people like this could one day be allowed to make life and death decisions for our people. Illustrates why it would be foolhardy indeed to allow this incarnation of the labour party anywhere near government.
Scary times ahead with MPs like this gentleman
All he talks about is the heated discussion of trans women Thereâs no heat in it itâs ruining womanâs sport lifeâs and Murray canât explain what a woman is !! Heâs a clown .
Labour have lost any common sense that they once may have had!đ
He was terrified of saying out loud, or admitting that only human females are women. Because he would have lost his job/career & been cancelled.
Woman's sport is a joke anyway.
@Macavity Because they have played into woke lefty pressure, like so many have
Clowns are funny.
Julia nailed it, it's cynical cheating.
@Macavity She has plenty of argument. If you think she doesn't, you missed the whole video. So far sports authorities are too afraid of being called transphobic. That dissuades them from passing regulations to prevent the absurdity of men in women's changing rooms and competing with women.
How is this still even a discussion đ€Żđ€đ€Ź
Bloody hell. This is what it has come too.
Play this to everyone who wants to vote Labour
There will be people who will still vote for them. đđ€Šââïž
@Macavity that's right
@Macavity please explain how a man competing against woman in swimming, boxing, rugby, football etc is fair?
@Macavity I havenât mentioned politics once! What are you talking about? I asked a straight forward question which Julia also asked, still waiting for your answer.
Labour are an utter disgrace.
I've never voted anything but labour, but no more.
It's a men rights movement.
Sex is binary and immutable
As long as Labour carry on like this they will never get back into government, no matter how bad the Tories may become.
Is Labours number one policy to discourage people from voting Labour?
@@justwilliamcatapultpoacher2275 Basically, yes.
Liebour are done their dead they'll never get into power in this country
Good. They hate Women, men and straight people.
@@justwilliamcatapultpoacher2275 when was the last time the Labour Party actually did anything for the British working class? Labour Party?
More like the Woke Party.
How can James Murray be taken seriously FFS this is bloody ridiculous đĄ
How much longer can this madness be allowed , he and those who agree with him are insane.
You can see the fear in his face when he towed the party line, disgraceful.
'Toed' not 'towed' - he's not a tugboat.
For everybody using the word "transphobic" like it's the new "racist", you really need to look up the word "phobic".
Yup, there's no such thing, it's a soviet style manufactured mental illness designed to silence dissent. Transphobia, like all the other fashionable phobias is a nonsensical construct. Dislike - even vigorous dislike - and disagreement is not and never will be a phobia.
Correct. A phobia is not preference, not discrimination, not bigotry and not a prejudice. Itâs a defined mental disorder. An irrational terror, often of something that either poses no real threat or that most people wouldnât bother about. For example claustrophobia, agoraphobia. It may debilitate the sufferer for whom we feel sympathy. Itâs even more than an irrational fear. Itâs an overwhelming and debilitating one - a clinical anxiety disorder.
Yes and Iâve got⊠âMurrayphobiaâ, what an absolute plonker he is.
Agreed we need an accurate word to describe opposing this
@q I suppose thatâs because social media gives you a warped view because you only see more of what you already see. So a small thing can look like the biggest discussion in the country if you engage enough.
But also when I went to university there was definitely a weird culture there regarding pronouns and gender. I think the next generation is gonna be worse because the universityâs are indoctrinating them.
Well said Julia. As for Murray you're spouting crap.
James, you are doing the party no end of harm, just 'THINK' for a while!
Well done Julia. Youâve pinned down and heâs afraid to say what he really thinks. Too many like this of late. Woke and Iâm surrounded by them.
You've literally just described the whole labour party, they have such little support from most of the public they decide to fight causes of minority groups including the trans activists instead of offering solutions to real issues
Take the heat out of the discussion....and also the reason and logic
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How did the world end up like this?! đ€Ą
All of us
It is so satisfying to watch these Labour MP's tie themselves in knots over this, but at the same time it's scary for women that a possible future govt is pushing this dangerous nonsense
How are they a future govt? They are a Python sketch.
Which is why I will not be voting Labour any time in the future - near or far.
@@maryapple7108 so who will you vote for?
@@free9200 Gosh I have no clue. Labour, Green, Lib Dems, The SNP and even some Tories all have the same stance on this issue. They can't define what a woman is. The Tories pussyfoot around the issue like scaredy cats whilst the rest cruelly dismiss genuine concerns women raise. Seems like I can't vote for any of them in the long run.
How can you debate with someone who is petrified to actually express his opinion or fact đ
James Murray you should be ashamed of yourself .
This is exactly why Labour will not get my vote
Not sure why we put up with nonsense ! Love Julia saying your sitting here as a man telling me what a woman is
It's unbelievable, absolute madness!
Home school your kids folks. The education system is indoctrinating this progressive, inclusive, woke nonsense on your children.
Starmer was/is a Pavlovian Marxist which is an obscure form of the philosophy which includes identity politics.
I am now unable to vote Labour. Plus I am actively working against the Labour Party. I never thought I'd be here.
Another nail in the coffin of the Labour Party.The question âwhat is a woman?â cuts straight to chase whether youâre woke or not
As a transgender person I agree totally with jhb
You are not "transgender" - you have been mutilated.
The constant insistence to "try not to have a heated discussion about this" and "it's important to try and take the heat out of the debate and approach it in a sensitive way" - is all code for: let's not actually talk about this logicially because the moment you do that it all falls apart.
Putting biological men into female prisons and having "bad things" happen isn't "sensitive". It's enabling crimes.
But, sadly "hurty feewingz" and ideological derangement come before facts & logic in these lunatics opinions.
Julia is awesome! Pointing out the obvious logical flaw in an argument, with someone who doesn't believe reason and logic exist, is almost funny if this wasn't so pervasive among the populace.
Unbelievable
Holding two opposing facts together as equal in you head must be the definition of insanity.
Nail on the head, đ
it will be fun when this reaches Wimbledon
whichever part of the Country this James Murray represents, please get him out of office, ASAP.
Credit to this talk show host. She can go down as a legend.
Vote them all out! Please remember this when you go to the poll.
Well said julia bang on the nail again
How not to answer a question.
Do they ever?
Itâs impossible to have a conversation if we canât all decide what the words we use mean.
Thanks Julia
He's trying to shut Julia down by going on about having a calm reasonable debate like he's the reasonable one. lol
He is one of the best of the worst Julia is just an out and out fascist
@@adamjones3818 No - just a middle aged woman.
He never answered any direct question.
He is the abuser who tells you 'the sky ISN'T blue', but when asked what colour is the sky he says' Blue'. Him saying is right, but you saying is wrong. Sounds like my narcissist eldest daughter.
This is why Labour will not get in for ages.
Zuby broke the British women's deadlift.
I was about to write the very same comment, lol!
@@davidcraig2532 I swear labour will just follow whatever narrative comes out. If people had to start stating their star sign to include witches, they would do it. Then make the argument witches were mistreated back in the day.
the hatred of the Tories over what they've done over the last two years say differently. They'll vote Labour just to get them out of office no matter what the consequences.
@@joycegibbs5267 yeah that is true. But Labour wanted tougher measures so glad they weren't in at the time. Boris could have surprised the country but still messed it up
@q how comes?
At 67 years old I am at the last quarter of my life which I have enjoyed pretty much. I do fear though for my children and grand/great grandchildren growing up in this crazy mad world. This guy is talking absolute rubbish. Julia is bang on right here, how can he tell her what a woman is. The world has gone stark staring mad.
James slipped up âfor only women to competeâ đđ
This is precisely the kind of subject that does need heated discussion. Urgently.
I'm so glad I've got a man to tell me what a woman is. What a time to be a woman, a time when men are better at everything, even being women. I'm pretty sure the majority of us, men and women, still know what sex is and what the differences are between the two (yes, there are only two).
I would hardly say Evie is getting worked up, and the argument is very easy to settle, does a trans woman have the ability to bear children? No, then he is not a woman ( and no not all women can bear children but they do have the organs that would allow them to ordinarily) And do trans women have xx chromosomes? No? Then they are male, it's very simple really
@Macavity Because facts and science matter to me more than fantasy, why should I adjust my world view based on facts to accommodate someone else's dillusions?
@Macavity as a woman, a 100% biological woman, no man wearing a dress can tell me they're a woman. They're a man. And that is fact.
@Macavity , don't patronise me. I've been following the trans debate for about 4 years, nothing to do with JHB, more to do with the safety, dignity and privacy of women, and men, for that matter.
@Macavity , no, simply NO. Women are allowed to say NO to males in their spaces. Most men are on the side of reality too, since they have daughters, sisters and mothers and would not agree to having mediocre males enter female sporting competitions to ruin it for actual women, or males in their changing rooms or in their prisons. NO!
The worlds gone mad!
Shame on you James
Labour's "all women shortlists" might be a (mildly) more interesting battleground in future...
Brilliant, all female shortlist including Derick, Frank, Lassie and the one female dinghy diver!
So aren't shorties protected under the Equality Act? If not why not? Its about time you all stop referring to us shorties as being on lists for labour mps. Most of us don't get to vote! We can't reach that high.
Impossible to take the heat out of this when a huge obvious lie is being promoted as fact.
The real question is why ANYONE can believe the lie with no doubts, no concerns and a rather large dose of hatred for those stating fact.
but thats the problem they have rejected facts, which makes it even more illogical when they claim its a fact they are women.
They are paid to sell their soul to the devil.
i saw something (explained by a human right lawyer i think) about trans identity, especially in the case of an actual certificate declaring a biolical man to be a woman, being "a legal deception" or "a legal construct" or some such thing. similar to to when a jury declares someone (not guilty) innocent of a crime, to all intents and purposes they then become legally innocent of that crime regardless of what anyone may think or say. vice-versa if they are found guilty, they then can be legally referred to as the perpetrator of that crime rather just a suspect or "the accused".
my point being that many many of them do not think they actually _are_ women but they have legal status of "woman", no matter what anyone may say or think, then they express that as "they are women" because to describe them any other way would be to violate their legal status (ie. to discriminate against them), not to mention that it would also piss of the woke twitter mob.
(sorry i am f'cking terrible at making points without writing a wall of text).
All end in tears
Was that guy for real? how can a biological male call himself a woman?
Fantastic Julia, please keep going đ
What is with people like him .. they lie constantly... and when you pull them up on their lies ... we get called phobic or others names ...
They're weak individuals who think by becoming an MP, they'll be taken seriously. This sorry excuse for a man would probably cry if you so much as looked at him.
@@myzamau428 looked like he was about to everyone he got challenged in the interview
Thank you Julia...
âTake the heat out of the conversationââŠread, do NOT talk about this!!
I think that we should open up sport even more. Allow greyhounds to compete against humans in sprint races and oxen to compete against humans in lorry-pulling contests. Well, why not?
If you don't like it, you're a lazy dogphobic oxenphobe so pipe down, bigots!
I am going to declare that I am a pint of milk. But you are not a pint of milk - you mean you are saying that I don't have the right to declare that I am a pint of milk?
I have a big penis so I think maybe I should identify as a donkey.
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yes .. 4 legged people
"Do you think its a bit strange that you're sitting there as a man, telling me what a woman is?". Yep, its confirmed. I'm now lost inside the twilight zone. What a crazy state of affairs this is!
And people say Labour are a viable alternative. đ€Ł
This is why I'll never for Labour ever again
The mental health of this world is breaking down, when a man is entitled to tell a woman, what a woman is. I however, am not that kind of stupid.
You're a man
Watching him squirm around in a logical and common-sense vacuum is truly embarrassing. Labour have dived down the rabbit-hole of identity politics and will never get elected until they rediscover the ordinary, everyday, working people they were founded to support and protect.
she really did made him squirm
He knows it's not true but lacks anything between his legs to stand out against it.
We have people like this trying to run our countryâŠ
What a patronising waste of space. He is an MP WHO is voting for him?
I would have thought that the answer to this, is for women to refuse to compete if men are in the team, or maybe that is too simple.
That's fine, but they'll all get replaced by...
@@OrwellsHousecat (replaced by) other transgenders?, maybe, but if no female swimmer will complete, against them, what are they going to do?
I agree with you. It would be unfair for them to have to give up sports. But they would win the day eventually.
Absolutely unbelievable
Who is this weak, snivelling, cowardly man?
Iâm a proud man, but I have to say women show way more balls in speaking against this issue than most men do.
Things really are now on the level of Stan's struggle with reality in Life of Brian.