Drinker's Chasers - Why Ms Marvel Flopped
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2022
- So Ms Marvel hasn't exactly gotten off to a strong start, much to nobody's surprise. Join us as we try to figure out why this show hasn't generated any interest from MCU fans.
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“You know that comic book that has been cancelled several times and nobody really likes it? Let’s make a show about it! Trust me, it’ll be great!”
Tempting fate at its finest
What could possibly go wrong? 🤣
@@GIBBO4182 💯💯😂😂😂
Sana armenat gets residuals so it must continue to be "popular"
Ok, ok, one more time, but let's really Cram it down people's throats and shame people this time.
Mauler's response to Drinker saying ms marvel flopping is perfect. Emotionless, deadpan "shocking".
MauLer being an Eldritch Horror is very good at being completely deadpan when needed for comedy reasons.
simple and effective, like it's flowing to the tongue, and most inportant of all : it was true lol
He sounded like Hanz Gruber from Die Hard.
@@nahtesalinas1917 we need Mauler to say “where are my detonators McLain”
❤️ deadpan.
Gary touched on something towards the end that I've been thinking for a long time now. Ever notice how many of these newer characters are just handed everything, usually by family members?
It's like these people think nepotism is somehow relatable to a wider audience. I think it's a large part of why these characters fail.
They're writing what they know, at least.
It's literally how these writers got their careers.
I think its just a lack of imagination to be honest. The writers are either lazy or dont have the talent.
Hard time make strong men, strong men make good times, good times make weak men and weak men make hard times.
To be honest, Thor got his power handed down to him. Same can be said of Black Panther.
I looked up the viewership figures, with the show only reaching 775,000 views, and was not surprised to see articles reporting this as "BUT BUT BUT IT STILL GOT 95& POSITIVE RECEPTION FROM CRITICS WHO PRAISED IT FOR ITS DIVERSITY!!!".
Also, considering blasphemers get prison time in Pakistan, if they're not beaten to death by enraged mobs first, I would *love* to see the reaction to the depiction of a quirky, perky Americanised Muslim teenage girl who treats drinking alcohol as "Whoops, tee hee!".
lmao, ikr.
Yall are so damn salty. Lmfaoo.
Uh it did get 81% from audiences, which actually considered kinda good score. As of now 98% from critics.
TBH getting an average of almost 90% between both is a rare feat.
I'm not a fan, I went into RT gleefully expecting crap audience score, but an average of 90% is what it is.
We gonna shift goalpost and crap on the audience now?
Or we can organise a mass review bombing?
Will I watch it? Maybe not. Which means I wont bomb it either, that's just dishonest.
diversity? I’m more focused on the majority rather then the minority, like you know making an actually decent and swallowable story and characters
@@mixtapeweezy6871 Bro, she is never going to notice you. She doesn't even know who you are.
I mean it’s quite hilarious/tragic when The Drinker can get MORE views talking about the show, than the actual show got!!
The Critical Drinker is awesome.
WHY? Don’t Know?
theres an element of tragedy when theyre violating / destroying once great characters and folklore of great films and comics, but with this- this character was never anything in the first place,
@@johnwatts8346 💯💯
Yup, I think some of the views are pity views, because we can't bring ourselves to sit through that garbage, but we gotta respect someone who could! That, and we'd rather give out view to someone reacting to the garbage than even make it almost look like we support the garbage itself.
You probably got more likes than the show got favourable reviews
"More views in one day than the premiere episode got in five"
What actual talent, charisma and quality are worth from one person in a room being smarter than an entire production and millions of dollars. You get better number from a drunk critic in Scotland than a show on one of the top streaming platforms. Saying a lot here.
As the French say:
LeBOOM!!!
@@bobhightower9381 I'm french and we don't say that. We say "boum".
@@CuT7yFlaM It's clearly supposed to be a sort of joke...Like when I say 'El Kaboom=O' is supposed to be Spanish, but it obviously isn't.
@@CuT7yFlaM you missed le joke
Well, who are you going to choose, a pronoun addled echo chamber, or an honest drunk who looks good passed out?
This Ms Marvel Show throws into contrast the two distinct groups of people around today. Her motivations are practically the same as those of Saitama from One Punch Man, wanting to be a superhero so that people will recognize and like her, but the story goes exactly the opposite way. Saitama constantly gets overlooked and overshadowed in his world, but his real moment is when he defeats the Deep Sea King, and the crowd begins to really care about him, and he looks down at Mumen Rider and makes the choice that if popularity and praise come at the expense of the other heroes he's will to give it up.
Duty over self, sacrifice for others with no expectation of reward is what makes a hero. Marvel, both Studios and Comics, have lost that vision, and Disney always had a childish and tenuous grasp on it as well.
True, but even mentioning One Punch Man in the same context as Mx Marvel feel heretical.
Also one punch man is fun as hell to watch
"Duty over self, sacrifice for others with no expectation of reward is what makes a hero". Why do we want all heroes to be the same, i thought we wanted originality and different, why should all heroes be selfless? They are human, they can want fame and glory and still save the day. What you want is a set storyline for all characters and that is boring. I'm tired of the selfless white cap saint-like heroes. I want people who are not perfect or in it for boring reasons but instead are human.
Ms marvel is lowest viewed series of All time.
I was never a comic book fan but I still loved the first Iron Man movie because it was interesting and compelling and Robert Downey Jr absolutely nailed the role. In short, it was a good movie and got me interested in the other films
Rdj got out at the right time
"She's given some magic bracelets that give her power"
If that origin story had come from the golden age - it would have been about how she was given her powers without earning them, and so ended up becoming arrogant and callous. That hubris would have caused her to end up hurting the people she loved and/or losing those powers. Then she would have had to learn, grow and strive to become worthy of having her powers again.
But this is current year - and no one has to work, or endure, or sacrifice for anything anymore.
She literally demolished Avengercon to zero consequences or pushback. And just so happens that no one even got a scared knee from incident. Lucky I guess?
Most superheroes got their powers without earning them, though. It's usually either an accident (like Spiderman or the Flash), discovery of some magic artifact (like Blue Beetle or Stargirl), or just their inherent biology (Superman, Thor, basically any mutant/alien//demigod/Inhuman/Atlantean/etc). The heroes who have to work the hardest are almost always the ones with no inherent powers.
Ms Marvel is now up to episode 3, is already reconsidering whether she's good enough to be a superhero (she publicly dropped someone she was trying to save), and whether it's worth all the danger and secrecy it's brought into her life. Seems like character development to me
@@Ruspanic There is always some kind of 'work', either before or after. Captain America 'worked' by being bullied all his life but still trying to better himself. Iron Man's 'work' was being imprisoned in a cave and seeing the negative consequences of his lifestyle. Spiderman had to put in the 'work' when he learned that 'with great power comes great responsibility'. What is Ms Marvel's 'work'? She destroys things and everyone loves her. You go, girl!
@@HerculesBallsInc how are you making that assumption based on one episode? Like I said, after she dropped a kid in episode 2 she got a lot of embarrassing negative publicity, plus she's being hunted by the government. Also, she has to lie to her parents and friends (classic secret identity struggle), especially because her parents are strict Muslims who disapprove of her acting out. The show has been slow at times, but it seems like there's plenty of struggle so far. If the stakes seem toned down its because this is basically a high school teen show aimed at a younger audience
I wished we could all send the Channel Terrible Writing Advice
towards Hollywood and Marvel,
which would both be a Giant Roast and also constructive Criticism.
At the very least she's not a Mary Sue she's just a self insert. I wish I could say that was a good thing but it shows the narcissism and wish-fulfillment spiraling around in Marvel and Disney as we speak
Isn't a Mary Sue always a self-insert of the author which is why they're written to be practically flawless, overly competent and have every character love them or did the meaning of that term change over the years?
Edit: Just to be clear my point is that I was of the impression that not all self-inserts are Mary-Sues but all Mary-Sues are by definition self-inserts and their flawlessness is a product of the authors need for wish-fulfillment. I never said that I believe all self-inserts to be bad. Just the ones that are Mary-Sues.
@@samsampleman2439 I didn't watch the show, but a non-Mary Sue self insert should be even worse, but possible. Just imagine it: you're watching the writer's sad and boring life.
@@samsampleman2439 a Mary Sue is the flawless character. A self-insert is putting yourself into the story. They are different things though a terrible writer will do them BOTH. That's a clueless narcissist with a pen. But self-inserts are not necessarily a bad thing, basically ALL of Philip K Dick's work was a self-insert. And if you find a horrible woman in the story, that will an "other" insert" and basically will be his most recent ex-wife. But PKD's self-inserts are wrought with angst, the same angst that plagued PKD his entire life.
@@darthkek1953 Agreed. Self-Inserts/author stand-ins are not necessarily a bad thing, and are fairly common in good, and classic literature. Hoping people don't rip on author stand-ins because of a few hack writers.
Give it time
To me, I didn't mind Ms. Marvel up until the latest episode. It's a pretty standard teen flick to be honest. Nothing we haven't seen a thousand times before. There's the stock "nerdy male best friend who secretly has feelings for the girl", the "female best friend who feels betrayed when she learns about the secret"; the "parents who don't understand", and then we throw in the "dark family secret". There's even the "popular girl high-school rival", and the "dark handsome new boy who forces the nerdy best friend to confront his feelings".
It checked all those boxes just fine. The main actor is decent in the role. Production values are good. They use some neat visual tricks to make the incessant texting between people more interesting than just putting text boxes on the screen. (God, I'm old. Why don't people talk to each other on the goddamn phone fer fucks sake)
Anyway -- where they lost me was this last episode, where they completely fumble the "wait -- these nice people are the bad guys" schtick. Kamala has _only just met them_ in this episode, and they start out like "we're all friends, and we knew your grandma, and we're also secretly Djinn, and so are you! Please help us get home." Everyone is all friendly, and it looks like Kamala wants to help them, so we're all fine.
By the end of the episode, they're just trying to kill her. Despite the fact no one knows if the magic bangle can be used by anyone else to get them home. "We can't wait any more" says Evil Mastermind #1. You've been waiting for hundreds of years you moppet! What's another couple of weeks? I mean, you went from "please" to "kill her" in a fucking day.
But, as Drinker likes to say "So the plot can happen, I guess"...
Maybe you should learn to think for yourself, dont let Drinker think for you. The reason that the nice baddies turned on her was because they were desperate to go home and were being nice because if they told her that she may have to destroy the world, she may not want to help them. They even lied to the leaders son Kamaran too. But you were busy looking for woke things to be mad about, you missed a very conspicuous moment in the movie. Her white MALE friend told her that, the power needed to open the portal successfully, would be explosive. So, she asked for more time and they didnt't want to wait any longer, so they said they would force her. They had been on earth for 100s of years.
@@sguardian870 heh. I think you've read too much anti woke sentiment into my thoughts here. If you read what I wrote again, you won't find any complaints about how woke it is. In fact, I didn't really notice any specific "agenda" as the Drinker sees in most of his reviews. All my criticisms were about the hasty face-heel turn, which has no political overtones at all.
And also, when I wrote that (over a year ago!), the part about destroying the world had not been revealed yet.
Even so, I stand by feeling like they could have made the enemy more nuanced. They had been waiting for hundreds of years to get back. Waiting a few more weeks to cajole and deceive an impressionable teenager who started out sympathetic should have been easy. And also in character, as the Djinn were said to be deceptive and manipulative.
@eraz0rhead or maybe they were desperate. Their own family Aisha had betrayed them by choosing to save earth. They were desperate. Israel is acting irrationally today over 1400 deaths. They have killed 10k and dont care. When people feel wronged , they are not always rational. I think it was accurate
@@eraz0rheaddont cry kid. Your ms marvel got disaster right now. I hope this is end for mcu Career.
@@eraz0rheadMs marvel is the main reason marvel getting disaster day by day.
8:22 Ironically, there's a character named Kendo in the Japanese anime/manga series, My Hero Academia, with a power that makes her fists giant. The author actually made her cool by making her intelligent and mature in such a way that she could make creative use of her power. I don't expect any maturity from Ms. Marvel.
Even I love MHA , it has the perfect balance of seriousness , super powers and coming of age themes .
So, they made her a strong female character and you liked it? I thought we were mad about smart intelligent powerful people with vaginas?
Ms marvel is lowest viewed series of All time you should cry kid.
She is the worst actress of the history.
"Here, take these magic bracelets."
"Okay, thanks."
What a compelling and interesting origin story
"With great power come great accessories."
*czcams.com/video/vn8WdvkmTGs/video.html*
Finally it's here
@@MisterNightfish accesories are sold separatly
How about guy gets injected with steriods and wears a flag costume 🤔
Iron Man 2008 showed us that through struggle and determination and turmoi, anyone can be a hero. Even a rich, arrogant playboy who makes mistakes and makes bad decisions, learns from his mistakes, is likeable and changes for the better.
We aren’t shown that anymore
The most unbelievable thing about Ms Marvel is that there would be a Captain Marvel superfan out there.
I find the fact there's entire conventions centered around the heroes and stuff in-universe is getting hilariously close to The Boys territory.
In the comic book, she becomes disenchanted with Carol Danvers when she goes full fascist during the Civil War arc. Of course we'll never see that in the MCU! They can't tarnish their "feminist icon". 😂
@Robert Monroe 🤣🤣🤣
Especially since NOBODY SHOULD FUCKING KNOW CAPTAIN PLANK!
She's NOT an earth based hero! She has spent MINUTES on earth in the last 2 decades in universe!
LITERAL MINUTES! And in ZERO of those was she doing anything substantial. Even in the final fight against Thanos all she did was show up and get punched, which was one of my favorite parts of the movie.
She shouldn't HAVE any branding!! SHE'S NOT EVEN IN THIS GALAXY!
Apparently Rotten Tomatoes thinks this is the greatest show every produced. 96%
The show's first episode was mind blowing for me. It felt like a completely fresh new show, had so much personality with the treatment, the actors, the setting, the visuals, the music. Everything felt so great! And right from Ep 02 they just destroyed it all.
Same here bud, same. Goddamn you Marvel.
No
Sounds exactly like what happened with Moon Knight.
@@RileyTaker what happened with Moon Knight? Personally, I think Moon Knight is the only show released by marvel in phase 4 that is amazing and fresh. I'm also so happy that there isn't any other elements from other marvel characters that appear on the show. You can also watch it without needing to watch other marvel content. And it feels like a breath of fresh hair. The show is original, isn't woke and has a genuine story.
I do not understand. How did Episode 2 destroy it all? What did you want out of the other five Ms. Marvel episodes?
I love how all my favorite CZcamsrs come together for these conversations! It’s like a real life “Avengers Assemble”!!!! Keep it up gentlemen.
Really good point about how they expect a character's powers to equate to their strength as a character. We don't love Spider-Man because he can jump really high. We love him because he's a selfless hero, loyal to his friends and family, working from a place of responsibility. He's also funny and a bit of a dork. That's a strong character.
Having someone being strong/powerful does not make them automatically interesting.
And we resonate with his suffering. We feel his struggles. That's way more important than what powers he has.
@@alanroberts6086 Excellent point. From the moment in the trailer that Ms. Marvel started complaining about how "Brown girls from Jersey" aren't commonly heroes, I knew this wasn't a character designed to relate to the whole audience. You can tell stories that deal with race without alienating people.
@@FoodLaneAdventures Because sometimes stories are not meant to relate to everyone? Like how people complained that Turning Red was only reletable for young girla, that was the entire point
@@simplyawful543 no, people complained about Turning Red only being relatable to a demographic so niche that it practically could be defined as "the writer plus friends and some family of the writer" because of how very specific everything was.
Something doesn't have to be for everything, because nothing is for everyone, but something does have to at least be for a demographic that is both big enough to turn a profit from and actually exists.
I was trying to convince myself that this show didn't exist. Mostly out of a desire to forget that the Captain Marvel movie existed.
I hated Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel looks like crap.
Disney won't allow that, BIGOT.
@@chasehedges6775
It's what happens when people who have NO UNDERSTANDING of comics make a superhero. A shallow narcissist with a chip on her shoulder given incredible power that doesn't change a thing about her character or impact her life in any way, oh and everybody wants her for no particular reason because that would be character development and there's no time for that.
@@gabrielboorom2683 💯
And where, oh where, is Captain Mar-Vell?😔
I’m in the “MCU should have ended at Endgame” party. We didn’t need anything more, and now the ratio has flipped to the barely decent and outright bad stuff outnumbering the good stuff. It’s going downhill fast.
Marvel has a lot more story arcs to offer than just the Infinity saga.
@@oldPan but do we *need* them, or deserve to be put through the pain that is the writers botching them?
Why do ppl think marvel used to be good before phase 4 50-60% of their movies were garbage.
@@RayenR Looking back at the whole list of the Infinity Saga, you're right. There are definitely movies I would watch again and movies I would skip over after seeing once, and it's roughly 50-50. However, I wouldn't call the skippable ones bad either. "Bad" would be the likes of Green Lantern or that weird Fantastic Four movie they released in 2015. I would pick any of the Infinity Saga movies over them any day of the week.
5:14
You're absolutely right. A powerful character does not equal a strong one. Captain America was one of the weaker Avengers. Iron Man saved him from Loki in the first Avengers movie and the two of them had to team up to subdue Thor. But in terms of determination, integrety, and honor, he was both the best to lead them and the best to inspire them.
Captain Marvel is powerful, but so what? Anyone can write a character to be powerful. The most forgetable villains are powerful and nothing else, and the same is true for heroes. Take away her power, and what's left? Condescending sass? You could say that she's determined, but we only saw that in flash backs where she struggled with being a woman in the military. Steve Rogers also strugled in the military for being small and weak, but The First Avenger spent the first third of the movie following his struggles while Captain Marvel showed a few second flashback. And while Steve Rogers wanted to fight in order to serve his country, help the war effort, and protect his friends, it seems like Carol Danvers just wanted to fight to prove that she could.
They can't make a second movie about Captain Marvel's character because they never gave her a character in her first one.
well said
This show isn’t about Captain Marvel?
Even her name itself is a misconception. They call her Miss Marvel and yet her powers are more in line with Mister Fantastic. But because her power is and Captain Marvel's powers have Kree origins, that that justifies her getting the Marvel name as well. In no way shape or form does that make sense. It's very surface-level logic.
I think the name is purely because she is a Captain Marvel fan
A bit arbitrary, sure, but I think this might not be it, chief.
Wasn't Carol's Hero name (in the MCU at least) derived from the name of Science Lady (who I guess was a Kree) as opposed to the Kree faction that she went rogue from? Why would Kree-originated powers prompt the "Marvel" name when the only two people connected to the title that are known in the universe actively hate and reject the Kree?
If it's any consolidation, this series turned her into some kind of Green Lantern because apparently they didn't have the budget for stretchy limbs, let alone those inflated fists her comic version does all the time?
@@EvilDoresh in their defense after seeing the really old Fantastic Four movie that was painful to watch as they did t have the technology or prop use to make Mr Fantastic realistic... better this. If I remember correctly the last scene was Reed waving out the top of a car and it looked so fake and dumb I felt bad for the prop and effects dept as they did the best they could with what they had.
I tried talking to some of my friends of various age. On why they 'liked' Ms. Marvel.
They said the actress is cute. Some of them say the visuals are great.
None of them is talking about the plot, or the writing.
Which I find shocking, and then I realized 'ah so this is why'.
Big corps they knew, they knew that most viewers these days don't give a damn about all those anymore.
They just want to consume something light, something flashy, without even thinking about anything at all.
Now I see my criticism as a curse, it's harder everyday to find new movie/series I could enjoy.
Personally I like the writing, the show if fun and refreshing
Watch Barry with Bill Hadar
Honestly this is why I prefer Japanese shows, manga and games now. Most of them focus on the stories and characters.
@@maryapple7108 Yep, some great Korean shows too
You know the show doesn't matter when the only thing people talk about is the representation. I haven't seen one review were the reviewer actually talks about the story the sad part is the story isn't bad it's just extremely mid
drinker is a fresh take on what the audience is not only what we’re actually thinking, but also what we’re saying out loud. congrats on beating the algo
Bruh, if I wanted to watch a coming-of-age story where the female main character received superpowers that seemed vaguely hereditary through family lineage, I'd watch *Turning Red.* By far, the only thing Ms. Marvel could potentially beat that in is visuals, and even some people would argue the visuals of Ms. Marvel is obnoxious.
You could even watch Sky high , it 's super powers and coming off age and does it way better imo .
Ms Marvell sums up the "Participation Trophy" mentality of hollywood, every girl has to be a winner
No.
Ms marvel is the worst tv series of All time.
Ms marvel disaster movie.
We Pakistanis are more interested in watching Doctor Strange and Top Gun: Maverick in a cinema. Good content and amazing characters attract audience, not mere diversity and inclusion.
I am just watching 90s movies like con air or the rock
My dude though I am thinking about watching maverick what are your thoughts bhai
Not to mention there is not the disposable income to pay for every media. Only the best gets paying customers, the rest gets the pirate treatment.
It’s almost like good movies with well written stories attract audiences more than pandering :\ I wish Disney would go back to making good stories. They handled the MCU just fine until they decided Phase 4 was going to be a pander fest
Pakistanis 🤝 Indians 🤝 Westerners
This show is shit let's watch something good
DS 2 was extremly disappointing ----Top Gun:Maverick was great tho
"They've been forcing it for years."
Yeah, that was obvious from the outset. And is part of why the audience rejcts those characters. Marvel's ongoing attempts to force characters with the name "Marvel" to become popular Marvel characters is fundamentally ill concieved. Pairing that effort with crap characters, crap writing and crap art doesn't help.
But this Ms. Marvel character has been around since 2013 and is immensely popular
@@davidmun1601" immensely popular" bruh she's not even 1 bit popular 😂. Comic fans don't like her at all and don't buy her comics reasons why some of her comics stopped printing more 😂😂. Casual fans haven't even heard of her till the show 😂😂 this show received the least views out of all mcu shows and according to majority of audience it is a mediocre show at best lol🤣🤣
Popularity , lol it took about 4 years for her comic to sell 500,000 copies , compare that to other comics or he'll even a manga like one piece that sold 10 million copies alone in 2021 . So ms marvel is only loved by the disney and mcu shills , veteran and TRUE fans of marvel don't give a damn about her .
The look on Drinker’s face as the group is talking about his critique video getting more views than the actual show is just priceless.
RE: The Carol Danvers Character Problem
She has no vulnerabilities, both physically and emotionally. You feel for the frail, honorable Steve Rogers, his passion at odds with his initial physical limits. You get Tony Stark's slow painful self-realization of his role in warfare and death. You understand Thor's arrogance and shame as he matures. These vulnerabilities connect them to the same pain in the audience. Carol Danvers has no humility. No vulnerability. No humor, or warmth. No pain to share. The audience will never connect to her.
And on top of that the actor made a slew of misandrist statements right before release, damaging her brand, and burning up a lot of good will with her customers.
In a sense, the way you are describing Captain Marvel kinda has me thinking of what WWE was trying to do with Roman Reigns from 2015 through 2018. Though even then, I find that Roman Reigns to have more of a character/personality.
Marvel made her more boring and unrelatable than what a lot of people wrongly accuse DC of doing to Superman.
@@louisduarte8763 super man has 5 more "weaknesses" than captain marvel.
It's not much. But good writers can use that.
Edit... it's actually kryptonite, Red Sun, code against killing, Magic, psionics, mind control, humility, has to protect Lois, Jimmy always and people generally, has to maintain secret identity, and I think I still missed one.
There’s no adversity, I know this topic is talking about the protagonist, but what about the antagonist, no one ever talks about or bats an eye with the villains in modern superhero stories mostly because they get easily deal with like swatting a fly.
Prick your protagonist, let the villains throw hands and gain the upper hand so it feels EARNED when the hero wins by outsmarting, or outmatching the villain who’s proven their threat level.
I am baffled by the amount of sponsored sites saying how great the show is. They seem to be all about how great the agenda is rather than the show itself. Anyone who points out the show isnt good is immediately regarded as a hater.
This is sadly normal in movie critique now - they review their own political analysis, not the thing itself.
I actually don't mind it. It's what it says it is on the box. Not some bait and switch thing.
You know exactly what themes it'll push and what the journey is. I have issues when they insert this nonsense into other well established IPs.
@@IBLIZA23
Agreed, I didn't like the trailers and thought the show wasn't for me, gave it a pass, same with She Hulk
But it's still better than being lied to and tricked into seeing something like MOM
@@IBLIZA23 You and I know exactly what is going to happen, yes. But that is not what was 'on the box'. It was marketed as a fun superheroish story, probably geared toward young adults. It was not marketed as a vehicle for right-think for people afraid of being cancelled.
@@HerculesBallsInc Dawg if you're afraid of voicing your opinions on films and tv featuring minorities and women, I think you should take a second to think of what exactly the thing you're complaining about is. Otherwise, say it.
There's a certain subset of people whose brains light up when they see the boxes ticked for diversity and representation--which are not bad things, but they aren't virtues in and of themselves, and can't make bad stories good. But that's the audience that Disney is catering for these days. It's too bad, because sacrificing interesting characters and plot isn't necessary even for what they are ostensibly trying to achieve.
There is a certain set of people who get angry at the sight of any kind of representation that isn't white straight males. They will find criticism no matter how little, just to stay mad.
I really love how Disparu is situated perfectly on screen where it look like Mauler's arms in the background image are actually his lol
Ah yea....that show.
I was too busy MORBING to think about it.
Based & Morbpilled
A man of culture
Disney should make a Captain Morbin', I'm sure it would break the box offices and bring in Morbillions of dollars
Are people really still making Morbius jokes? I feel like it stopped being funny a long time ago…
"Should we really make a show about a character that nobody liked in the comics?"
"Nah, it'll be fine."
It was released in India but believe me no one relates from her so no one watched it. Being a marvel fan since 2012 I can say that, phase 4 isn't doing that well in India except spider man and dr strange (didn't watch it myself).
So coming to the show, ms marvel being Pakistani, there goes more than half of the audience (enemy nation and all). Her pronunciation of the name is wrong it's pronounced kmla not kamla or kmala(yes, your VP pronounces it wrong too), Sanskrit word meaning lotus, and believe me you wouldn't find any Indian muslim named kmla let alone a Pakistani (cuz it's a Hindu name who most of them hate since once upon a time they were hindu themselves). From trailer it looked like a show made by a Pakistani girl living among Indian immigrant wanting to be "desi" and failing miserably at it.
Exactly. I being a Indian living in India for my whole life never heard Kamala used by musl im women in my entire life and I had lot of Muslim friends. It's a hindu name and it's a very old fashioned name which even new generation of hindu don't use. I guess people working at Marvel just thought of some random names in Indian subcontinent and added Khan to it to make it sound Muslim .
Happy to see my fellow Indians here giving valid criticism . The show was just meh overall .
Youre absolutely right. I am Pakistani i agree with you
Love the perspective. Marvel is torpedoing their own success. Would love to see a video on the miss opportunities MCU. After Endgame, the MCU could have gone in a darker and more interesting direction that would have been much more interesting (and entertaining). Would love the opportunity to converse with the group about it. Keep it up Drinker. I am like many fans hoping and waiting for the pendulum swings the other way.
If they had of just stuck with the same formula that made them loved by audiences they would have been fine.
But instead it looks like they have gone for the secret gay agenda.
It seems like Marvel wants to create multiple branches focused on various styles of superheroes. The "New Avengers" which is what is expected from a superhero movie, "Champions" which will be aimed at younger audiences, and "Midnight Sons" which will take a more mystical tone with Zombies, Vampires, and possibly Angels and Mephisto (if rumours about Ghost Rider's return are true).
I'm guessing they will have a darker tone with the Thunderbolts and the potential Midnight Sons. I just hope they don't hold back like they did with Hawkeye's Kingpin and Moon Knight.
Saying it was made for a small demographic is an understatement. It was made for the person who created the self insert character. That's it. Nobody else is meant to enjoy this.
The show is obviously made to appeal to girls and young women. How is that made for nobody?
Since there is no voting system on Disney+ (unlike CZcams or Netflix) I decided to vote against this show by not even attempting to watch it. Drinker's analysis of the trailer was enough for me and a friend of mine who actually watched the first episode confirmed that everything Drinker had predicted is exactly how the show is.
I voted by canceling my Disney + subscription. Everything after Endgame was just awful.
@@mikewhitney3300 Stop Lying. Endgame was horrible as well. When it all comes down to "Time Travel!" To fix your problems, you have made Shit.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 And they've all immediately forgotten they have a time machine since then.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 The real horror isn't the time travel part, but the fact that they just brought everyone back with *no* consideration *at all* for what that would do to civilizations around the universe.
To be real, though, The Snap was stupid anyway(for reasons that were covered extensive by just about every content creator and their dog over the years), but so was the fact that Thanos was able to destroy the stones at all, let alone survive the act.
They didn't have to do time travel, just not have them find and kill Thanos so quickly that they could've just included it at the end of Infinity War.
@@InfernosReaper they should've kept the snap, but make every hero survive, why? because, doesnt even matter anway. Infinity war was mostly a well made comic book action movie but it never had any real stakes
"I want to congradulate drinker on getting more views on his video about it than it had viewers." More views in 1 day than the premier in 5 days. That shows why you never want a self insert. Much less a self insert on a non-story.
Making a show about a character nobody cares about doesn't sound like a smart plan.
Ms. Marvel is the first MCU show I haven't watched, and it won't be the last one I skip. I think the biggest problem with this show, more than any problem with the writing or acting or themes, is that the target audience really does come off as exactly teenage girls. I don't have a problem with that, but it feels really weird for MCU content to aim for such a narrow demographic.
Why do people even watch cheap woke capeshit like this anymore, unless they're getting paid for it? Who could be so desperate for insipid, empty and pointless entertainment?
They're not making these movies for teenage girls. They're making these movies to deliberately elicit fan backlash so they can scream and cry about how racist and sexist everyone is, which allows them to mine victim points for their political causes. "Look at us, we're oppressed victims, feel pity for us, we're the underdog, give us free stuff and do everything we want!"
These people are parasitising victimhood and human altruism, which represents a dire threat to the altruistic glue that holds our very civilisation together. This behaviour needs to be indicted as a crime against humanity.
@@Mystikan isnt there a white supremacy meeting you needing to go to?
@@Mystikan my exact thoughts when I saw Kenobi, the plot is so bad that I'm sure they took most of the decisions thinking on how could make it an argument about racism against Reva.
I accept there are a few stupids attacking her, but I'm sure Disney magnified it to cover a shitty show... and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Disney itself who attacked her using fake accounts, just for propaganda.
Marvel's core targeted audience is anything but middle age males at this point. They target women, minority, and "victim" classes.
What are you talking about, everybody saw the show. It is the most tv show of all time. I especially liked the part where Ms. Marvel said "IT'S MARVELIN' TIME!" and marveled all over those guys.
No no, you're misremembering, she said "IT'S MARVIN' TIME!!" before using her weird big fists to marv the bad guys into marveldom
Mighty Morbin Marvel!
I'd love to see a Miss Marvel + Morbius crossover. Make it happen SONY. We'll watch it this time. Promise.
@@jwagner4050 haha, love the “this time” remark, especially after those bozo’s lost tens of millions more, cause they don’t know their memes? 😂
Its marvin time
"It is the line of thinking that the character's actual strength in terms of their powers somehow equates to them being a strong character, like an interesting character. And it doesn't work like that." YES! Thank you! Batman has little physical strength compared to the other superheroes and yet, he remains one of the strongest, most popular, most interesting characters. Meanwhile, the Beyonder is difficult to relate to.
Drinkers statement of not feeling anything after watching the show is exactly how I’m feeling. Not disappointed, not happy, not angry: just nothingness.
He's just holding back his racist hatred.
@@ShadowSonic2
Takes one to know one, huh Shlock?
Does it EVEN NEED explaining at this point
No not at all … But if Drinker makes fun of it, I’m there
@@MaxPayne. We are getting to the "definition of insanity" at this point
@@MaxPayne. WHY? Don’t Know?
@@4realm8rusirius yep
Yeah it does because there's still people that don't realise it, sadly but I appreciate The Drinker's comments
I know its a small portion of the clip but Disparu is 100% right about having to understand other cultures and Marvel just... Doesn't. This is like the third time they did this to my knowledge. First was with Star Wars with Rose where they cast a Vietnamese girl to appeal to the CHINESE (Who hate the Vietnamese). Then there was the comics with Miles Morales Thor, which enough said there. Finally this with Ms Marvel. They need to actually know their cultures and not just be like "Oh the skin color is enough".
Been looking for a comment like this, thank you. It's just an extention of the low resolution "People of color" way of thinking- thinking that all Asians are the same when Asia is chalk full of bad blood and actual racism against each other. Oops lol.
@@furryferret8514 Yup. Or thinking that showing an underage middle eastern woman just drinking would make a middle eastern country happy
Well it was the same with the Disney Live Action Mulan, I was excited for it because I'm Chinese but it just came out as offensive to my culture
Rose was not cast to appeal to the Chinese, but to Asians in general
@@davidmun1601 But the biggest audience for movies is China
If they wanted to fix Captain Marvel, pair her with (well and introduce) Silver Surfer for a movie. He is calm philosophical, but also powerful. He is too peaceful when he should fight and she is not. They would be perfect to help each other grow.
Galactus could be the cosmic threat that she can't just force her way through.
I legitimately don't remember anything that happened in this show. The only two characters whose names I remember are Kamala Khan and Bruno. And I'm pretty sure I only remember the latter because of Encanto.
You know, during Ms. Marvel's opening sequence, there's a part where she talks about Cpt Marvel and Thanos, and says "She punched him in the jaw and saved the universe! (paraphrased)"
For the next ten minutes, I couldn't focus on the show. I was thinking of different possibilities:
A) They are, once again, trying to tear down a straight white male who was portrayed as a hero (Tony Stark) and give the credit to a wahman
B) They are trying to portray that Ms. Marvel is such a fangirl that she ignores facts and will shill for Cpt Marvel no matter what
C) They are trying to portray that no one actually knows 100% for certain what happened with Thanos, but that was disproven during ep2 when there was a poster of Tony Stark saying "thank you for your sacrifice"
Basically... ALL OF THOSE ARE BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD
Man, this us exactly how I reacted and why I couldn't focus on the show.
The other oroblem for my was the cringe portrayal they had for muslims.
In general, considering that I am an Iranian young man who is also muslim, whenever I see a muslim character in modern shows I immidieatly hate it. This show was so horible that I went to my friends talking angrily about the muslims in this show.
@@sasan7606 I'm curious about the specifics, being someone who is fairly clueless about Muslim culture. What stuff made you mad exactly?
@@RobidyBobidy1 I hope this won't turn into an article.
Well, Hollywood in a movie like cuties shows muslim as degenrate people who are restricting themselves. In a show like Resident Alien, Zahra is a wise muslim little girl but the writing of this character and ger dialouges are annoying fod me. Hollywood can't make up its mind about how they want to show muslims.
In Ms Marvel, they kinda try to show a diverse culture in which muslims are accepted cool people.
Now, why do you think real muslims like me and the ones in Pakistan didn't like it?
Because it is not about muslims, it is about muslims imaginary omage in the mind if a writer who never had to strugle with limitations of a 3rd world country.
I am muslim but I study all religions and stuff because.... well it us good to be educated.
But in a muslim country like Afghsnistan the women in sports who find thrur way in world competatiobs are seen as bad, naive and sometimes whore-like people because most parts of Afghanistan have not accepted a women taking part in activities like Taekwondo and stuff.
In Iran, since our repuplic is based on wring Islamic idealogies, our rules allow sone men to have brides under 14. Iran is a muslim country which its identity, culture and histort is even older than Jewism and Christanity but we have horrible Islamic rules that has turned Iran into a countrt with tens of millions of people under the poverty line, making a society in which you have Misogyny as well being Anti-manhood, and patriarchy beside matriarchy. The problem is not the Islam, but how it is executed.
In other words, if you study the history if Islam and how it effected countries which had long-lasted civilizations before the invasion of Arabs, you will realize the image that Hollywood and these writers are portraying is far from reality.
In Ms Marvel in particual, being muslim is a cool part of your identity. In reality, and my oponion, muslim countries have failed to keep their own civilization and we are stuck on the brink of modernity and tradition. This reality is not the same as what you see in these shows. These shows are made by women who never had to tolerate hijab and men who never had to strugle with the limiting society aroynf them.
But I have seen religious muslin people who are very kind and honest who disagree eitg limitations that religious leadre have entered into religions.
I know my statements might sound radical but I am an Iranian who is in an Iranian/muslim society in which the younger generation are rejecting any religious belief.
So yeah, that's why Ms Marvel made me angry.
@@sasan7606 Oh, I don't think what you said is radical at all. Disney's productions (perhaps excluding Pixar? idk) are generally very shallow. From what I could tell, Ms. Marvel's parents are just the cliché "asian helicopter parents," that we have here in America. Unsurprisingly, there's also a big feminist push with her Muslim friend running for a position in the Mosque. The show is just a pure fan-fiction of an Americanized Muslim girl, so most people either aren't going to care or be pissed off lol
I'm sure they'll retcon Tony eventually into not being the hero.
Writing was on the wall with Captain Marvel and the she-ro scene in End Game. Vacuous, politicized, throw spaghetti at the wall content. After End Game I recall thinking "Well boys, we had a good run..."
Yeah they've learnt from that mistake, the politicised parts in the subsequent things (Falcon, Shang Chi, Ms Marvel) are way more subtle
@@GopaiCheems There was nothing subtle about the ending scene in Shang-Chi where he sister becomes the head of the Ten Rings and has an army of women lol
@@WiseMan-117 ok true lol but at least it was set up properly...they said before that Wenwu didn't allow her to train, sure he gave a reason like "you remind me of your mother" but that's semi-BS. In Endgame there is zero setup, no payoff, and in Captain Marvel they try shoving in a montage but it's really clumsy and not done well
6:55 somebody spiked her drinks with alcohol, the LIED to her that it doesn't have alcohol so she drank it, but once she tasted it she got rid of the drink.
Really looking forward to your interview with Adil and Bilall, because they are quite celebrated as directors of action movies here in Belgium.
I think Jessica jones Jessica has very limited powers but is a very strong and fully decent character She us filled with angst and paranoia and loneliness all of which come from her own past. All the while she is trying to do the right thing within those serious problems Ritter really captures this character Proof that it can be done
Another character that most of the people being called an *ist actually really like. JJ as a show handled some really, really sensitive subjects in a manner that everyone could get on board with.
This statement is proof that you did not watch ms marvel and you simply get told what to feel and you proceed to feel as such.
"Feminist comedian" this statement itself is funnier than any feminist can ever be.
why do you hate feminists?
Oxymoron when you need it.
The best (only) female comedian I've found worth watching is Taylor Tomlinson. She's got some funny stuff
"Feminist comedian" makes about as much sense as an "obese skeleton".
@@lexlogic2169 He's not obese, just big boned.
Interesting (albeit unsurprising) how the people who pride themselves on being multicultural have no clue how to make something relatable to someone from a different culture.
The slander memes popping up do a better job at cultural representation than anything the studios are putting out nowadays.
My five-year-old wanted to watch Ms Marvel because he confused her with Captain Marvel whether it's because of my attitude about Bree Larson or Islam he picked up quickly that the show was crap and was quickly asking me to turn on Ironman or Spider-Man which I happily did.
When small children aren't enjoying the comic content who is this garbage for seriously!
dude that's racist
@@shahanahsan05 In what way?
@@uncle5486 he probably meant Islamophobic, and he's absolutely right, he/she literally said "my attitude about islam" so I'm guessing this person is pretty Islamophobic which also saddens me on why anyone should be hateful towards an innocent part of humanity.
@@bluruckuscrx8124 not humanity but ideology. So not islamophobia. He just lacks vocabulary and is wrong about islam. As are you. Keep your pc ignorance to yourself
@@shahanahsan05 lol
“More offensive to the people they’re trying to make the show for”? Nice, we have another Mulan reboot on our hands here 😂
It was released in India, & most of us called it out for pandering. The main actress recently tried to tell us that a casual hindi slang is apparently related to "casteist roots". This is BS cause we say much worse, it's a casual slang in comparison.
Edit: They made it even worse, they got a pretty known actor here with a fairly good body of work, & killed him in 5 mins of his intro. There's a huge Pakistani actor also confirmed to be in this, if he survived the show, it'll be a fuck-up due to blatant bias being shown & said Pakistani actor flopping badly in Bollywood.
Mera bhai what hell did she say
How is some regular slang just slavery
@@crawlingboy Apparently it's casteist to call someone kamina & kameeni. Chutiya ladki hain, kaminey ko jaati se jodh diya. It's on the Actress' twitter
This is what people don’t seem to understand is that these shows and movies tend to bomb in the country that they’re pandering to because people there have half a brain and can tell when they’re being insulted
@@bigroaststyrone8135 It's moreso they don't even know how to pander right. They tried to do it with that Bollywood song in Eternals, it looked like a parody of Bollywood, instead of a homage.
Which slang ? "Bhaangi" ?
The saddest part of Ms. Marvel is that there WAS potential to make her a good character.
The elements were there: the life of Kamala, the clash between the cultures she grew up in, the change brought by her powers, the decision of keeping her traditional values or just going along with modernity, etc.
She could've been like a new Spiderman, or be like Miles Morales from Into The Spiderverse.
But no, they turned her into a self-insert Brown Shirt who arrests people without trial and crippled his best friend for life.
All super heroes arrest people without trials. She goes through all the elements you talked about, what you are mad about is that she didnt say "Western culture good and my muslim culture bad"
@@sguardian870 in the comics I mean. They fucked up her character so much during Civil War II, it was only tragic.
I love how you guys are all mates. its awesome!
That failed Avengers skinnerbox game used Ms Marvel as the central character of the group. To quote ZP, the end result was the amazing human diversity quota.
I shit you not, people hated her in the game & only liked her character model. She's literally only good for the porn that came out that game.
@@ngultrum1 oh yea, her cringeworthy backstory was just painful
One correction: Kamala asked whether the drink contained alcohol, was lied to, took one sip, then set it aside. She didn’t wittingly consume alcohol.
They have to lie to get their audience angry. As people get more money in their pockets, they are going to start going to the movies and paying for streaming, so the numbers are going to go up and the talking point about how people are sick of woke, will no longer make sense and they will lose views. So, now they are just straight up lying.
I would say check her out through the video game they nearly made her the lead in. It’s a surprisingly good single player experience and they way she gets her powers there makes much more sense. “avengers”. She’s also very respectful of what came before her.
Avengers is an absolutely crap game.
@@connormartin1618 neat
Man props to all of you. It’s incredible that men sitting in front of a camera and talking are more interesting than million dollar budget. How well do you think these men would do with that kind of money?
I had no interest in watching this show and nothing has changed my mind. Disney believes fans of this genre will watch whatever woke nonsense they put a Marvel name on but we're fans of Tony Stark, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow and the rest of the pre-woke characters. The MCU was really good before it wasn't.
But people didn't really watch Black Widow
Tony Stark had a good full story
Thor still here
@@GopaiCheems we don't talk about hulk
@@tejvishwajeet yeah that was ruined, but I didn't mention him because his ruining had nothing to do with anything woke
@@GopaiCheems Black Widow was an important part of the MCU before it turned to the M-SHE-U. The fact that her movie didn't do well can be blamed on how Disney handled things and the fact that her movie came out long after she was killed off.
@@vCLOWNSHOESv oh, when exactly did it become M-SHE-U and what's bad about it
I'm showing my age but this "power" gaining reminds me of "The First American Hero".
It was a very short lived series. About a guy who acquires a super suit with a instruction manual. He then loses the manual and has to learn how to use the suit without it. He then gets another copy of the manual only to lose it almost as soon as he gets it. The entire series rolled around the idea that he had to learn how to use the suit and the misadventures that go with that process.
For you gamers out there, think of it as you max level a character in a game and your 4 year old nephew then plays the character knowing really nothing about the characters skills, equipment, or ability.
Mandalorian picking up the Dark Sabre when he hasn't levelled-up enough.
Greatest American Hero. Was a good show and part of that was the humor of him not being able to control his powers.
It is "The Greatest American Hero" and the show was awesome! Loved it as a kid and who could not get the theme song out of his head!
Reminds me a bit of Kamen Rider Kuuga, the only Kamen Rider who had to rely on vaguely-translated ancient scriptures to have any kind of idea what his powers even _are_
I am also old enough to remember that show lol!
Tried watching it out of curiosity, yeah nothing happens in it except for young teen drama. Same stuff you'd see in a low level CW show
I don’t care for teen dramas in general.
I saw this show once, last spring. I don't hate it, it's just I couldn't make myself feel excited for the show or characters because I don't know anything about them much therefore I wasn't invested in it so once is probably the only time I'll watch it.
*The shows not for me* but I hate how MCU stans suddenly become experts in cinema when a Marvel movie is concerned,
“The colour palette is amazing”
“The writing is so nuanced”
“It created a discussion for mental health” *But you just saw a Skybeam erupt into the sky* and ANOTHER sympathetic villain explain his motives and justify his wrongdoings for the 500th time.. they’re just fun popcorn movies.. let them be that.
They have to come up with all these "intellectual" reasons to validate their "fine" taste in blobs of CGI going _boom_
So you’re telling me that someone shipped metal cylinders, from Pakistan, to one of those Pakistani enclaves in jersey and customs weren’t going to flag and/or confiscate that shit?
That interview with Adil El Arbi and Bilall Fallah , i'll defenetly looking forward to that :)
Her entire bit is that she “wants to be a superhero” so therefore she becomes a superhero. No struggle, no real backstory, nothing to make her relatable. She’s a character made to appeal to a very tiny demographic that ultimately probably won’t care about the Marvel property at large.
Worst part is most heroes who want to be heroes have to try,in DC,Marvel,Image etc I’m Invincible Mark was strong but he has to try to get that power and it was fun watching him grow
You obviously did not watch the show, then.
"No struggle" yeah, okay
I had no idea it was out.
Don't get me wrong--I haven't watched or cared about the MCU for a couple years now, but even without paying attention I'm still aware of what's premiered, but I had no clue about this cuz no one is talking about it.
I watch the show and as someone who read the original run of the comics I can see it pretty much captures that vibe. And I do think the actress does understand how to portray the character. The problem is just in every episode even when there’s something I do enjoy there’s just some horrible writing that drags it down. Like how they have to force it in a Bollywood number that feels like it’s just there to kill time and then use the exact same trick again in the wedding episode. Or how they introduced a group of characters that literally went from allies to enemies in less than 40 minutes. There is something there for people who like the comic but I agree it’s not going to be any kind of a massive hit.
And as for Shammah Ahmanjat She’s actually been pretty quiet because according to reports she got fired for marvel for having inappropriate relations with two male coworkers. And while I cant confirm it the belief is that they let her leave quietly if she promised never to talk again
that wedding dance did go on for quite a while and yeah the djinn shoulda come in in ep 1
@@billyjimbobjr Really good point I think if they had been introduced earlier it would’ve been a lot better. The turn would’ve at least had some build up to it.
Aside from the implementation, the problem of that character is that there is no target audience for her. Teenage girls don't dream about having superpowers, it's not a fantasy that attracts them. And teenage boys sure as hell don't dream about chicks with superpowers, they want to be superheros themselves to become attractive to girls.
@@Volkbrecht That’s a bit of a general statement but I would agree it’s not the Main stream crowd they think they have. This is definitely more of a niche audience and it doesn’t appeal to as many people as they think
@@Volkbrecht I don't think you speak for teenage boys... you at least don't sound like one. I know plenty of people who dig characters like She-Hulk for more than one reason lol.
Even the ad for the movie was stinking to high heaven of agenda and pushing her like she was lowly for being dark skinned. “Who’ll care about the little brown girl”. Thing is. That sort of marketing and targeting is directed at those guys and girls who were literally brainwashed by psychological warfare to even think this movie is for them and so on when the operation was to make them feel marginalized when they just aren’t. It’s more complex than this but I wanted to state what I’ve always found weird any time I hear he speak that in the ad whenever it comes on. It has always made the hairs on my neck stand up as it continues to dawn on me as a big red flag.
My kids are watching it, loving it. Truth is, Ms Mavel did not flop, not for Disney, not for Marvel. I guess, it is a matter of age and having kids. It is kids' TV. As for me... well, let's say, after Peppa Pig, Paw Patrol, not everything on TV is as funny and entertaining for parents as Minions. ;) Therefore, reviews and rants are cool. Just do not forget your own social bubble.
I agree. The character stuff is really strong, especially between Kamala and her mother, and between Kamala and her friend Bruno as well.
it did flop, horrendously actually... but you enjoying it doesn't = the show not underperforming.
@@riesmeister Sadly, the character is better in the comics. which says alot considering.
After seeing Top Gun: Maverick the other day and talking about it with my brother, we came to realise that out of all the films we saw, or were aware of, released during the year only the Disney films (e.g. Doctor Strangs, Lightyear, Turning Red) were the ones we didn't really like at all and considered flops. I wouldn't even say it was because of personal preference, outside of Turning Red which was just horrendously animated, rather that they were just objectively, patently _bad_ and that's weird to me, how a multibillion dollar critically acclaimed entertainment monopoly can just consistently output flop after flop despite having all the resources and theoretically access to only the best talent...
...is what I would say, considering what the current year is and how they still do somewhat well at the box office, but it's still a bit mystifying given how Lightyear unanimously flopped across all parties.
Although Dr Strange is currently grossed $950M on a budget of $200m + $200M marketing. Does $600M constitute a flop ? Many of these movies, crap though they are, still appear to be getting bums on seats, raking in the cash, and so the machine will continue to make them !
@@halley4032 I was talking more so with how Lightyear hasn't made its money back at the moment and is currently at a loss.
I liked Strange 2, it wasn't art but it entertained me. Even though the "Memory Shop" made me LOL literally out loud thanks to the Drinker's heads-up on that one. But Scarlet Witch slaughtering the 868 smugerati was worth the free download, that's for sure.
There's a reason that Disney stock is tanking worse than the rest of the economy
@@halley4032 consume product and get excited about next product is the mindset about most people that still throw money at Disney
Back in the 70’s shops used to sell bargain 3-packs of comics. Typically, the comic in the middle was a title publishers were trying to move because of poor sales… most often that title was Captain Marvel.
Pakistani Muslim guy here who hates marvel phase 4 and wish we could go back to the old days
It flopped because Disney thought it was a good idea to release it alongside one of the most anticipated shows in history. It's no surprise ended up being overshadowed by Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yes. This is the actual reason for why it flopped, I'm glad somebody in this comment section has a brain.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09then why the marvels got disaster of All time.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09Ms marvel is the worst actress in the history.
@@simonmuller2091 Your spelling is the worst in the history
I was kind of intrigued because I kind of liked the character
Then the trailer came out and it looked like a high budget Nickelodeon show and gave her bootleg green lantern powers then I noped right out of that
Might give it a watch when it wraps up but I’m not expecting to enjoy it
I tried watching it but I just couldn’t after they started talking about a Muslim girl not following their tradition and the main character says “good for her” already knew it was gonna be one of those woke shows
It is actually really good so far I’m enjoying it way more than I thought I would
@@The.Ghost- it’s actually really good. I don’t think exploring other cultures of people who exist is automatically woke (whatever that means?). Its been really cool learning about Muslim culture in a way I hasn’t seen before
Steal it
@@JordanEvansMusic he didn’t say exploring the culture is woke
Also I don’t really want to see that kind of stuff in a superhero series, it just feels forced if they’re making her religion a big thing
I used to be someone who went to see all the Marvel films in the cinema up until Endgame …
I’ve watched Wanda Vision & struggles through Falcon & WS…
They’ve lost that spark & need a break which will never happen ..
Just about the same that I watched xD
I think I got 1 or two episodes into Loki as well, but nothing more. And not even their movies are looking interesting anymore D:
@@casperryborg4869 I unfortunately got all the way through Loki - ahem, sorry Silvie - and that was the last straw. I've not watched a Disney movie or show since. Thankfully No Way Home was 75% Sony.
Yeah Falcon wasn't that great, but do watch Loki and Moon Knight both were great
Far From Home, Shang Chi and No Way Home nice too
@@jt1559 "thankfully" Sony? You do know who made Morbius, right? Or TASM 2, or SM3 (in these cases the studio was specifically at fault, restricting the freedom of the director by insisting on fitting as many Spidey villains as possible)
What was the last straw with Loki? Or Sylvie for that matter?
The MCU pre-Endgame always hovered above trash. But they were mediocre enough that nobody really complained, there was emotional investment for the end of the franchise.
Now the emotional investment is gone and the quality slipped a little bit more, now everyone is seeing the MCU for the trash it truly is.
Gonna be honest, I totally missed that this existed. Saw Drinker's review of the trailer and it just totally left my mind after.
Wow, a podcast with Mauler and without fringy?! that must be a dream! damn it's like hearing silence after hours of high annoying noise... wonderful.
Let’s just say I’ve been in a lot of arguments over this show within my family…I mean I’m being forced to watch it with my family and really they have to listen to me rant about it and how bad it is. It’s their fault I guess!
It has shit writing. Demographic seems to hit so damn low, even though I’m the required demographic (I understand it’s for teenage girls and I count in that) but like even they can’t get that right!
Can Disney do anything right? Well how about you decide!
Is being forced to watch Disney slop the liberal version of conversion therapy?
They're not making it to tell a fantastic story. They're using it to deliver a message.
@Robert Hughes It`s not, its just that most are pussies too afraid to say what they think about this insanity for fear of losing their jobs and social isolation... There aint that many of them.
@@nahtesalinas1917 Go woke...you know the rest.
You're being forced by your family to watch Ms. Marvel?
What the hell did you DO? Crash ALL the family cars?
I was a huge comic book fan over 1200 issues of collected through my life of various characters and there's one thing I know regardless how many characters I like it doesn't mean they need to be brought to the screen small or big.
Gary, MauLer, you guys need to come onto Mr Brown Alliance's streams on here. We would love to have you involved!
you guys are the best !
Is it wrong that I prefer the comic book origin where she's exposed to terrigen mist but then again the MCU has no love for the Inhumans so I can understand why they scrapped the comic book origin for the show
I also preferred when she was an inhuman as well. Getting rid of it and making her have the power of cosmic or some bullshit just felt like a massive cop out to not have to animate her body stretching like in the comics.
Not defending the change from inhuman but it's because with the soon introduction of mutants, the inhumans idea is abit too similar. However maybe they could have just waited and made her a mutant in the mcu.
The only reason she was an inhuman was because marvel was trying to recreate the xmen without mutants in 2013 because 20th century fox owned xmen tv/movie rights and was making a mint that marvel couldn't touch but was very jealous of. So she was first of new breed but the idea didn't really take off and then inhuman plan got completely derailed when Disney announced takeover of fox in 2016(?) .
Marvel never really cared about inhuman, only wanted and expected Fandom to eat whatever garbage they dished out.
I can see why they did it. They'd have to introduce the Inhumans and their whole backstop before Ms. Marvels comic book origin would be understandable. Still, the random "oh, look, magic bracelets" thing was pretty lame for an origin story.
@@michaeljdauben they actually did before they decided Agents of SHIELD isn't cannon anymore for some reason....
I’d rather watch the Drinker get wasted on Toilet Duck, “party hard” with Tatyana, and go on a drunken rampage through the streets of Glasgow before waking up on a deserted island with a shovel in one hand and his Doctor Who teddy bear in the other… than watch Ms Marvel.
At least that would be an interesting plot
I've been waiting for that show for years.
Thats a bit too detailed. R u sure u didn't actually saw something like that happen somewhere. 😆🤣
I remember that my comment on seeing the trailer was that it seemed aimed at only the teen audience. Not sure if the issue was that they didn't realize the trailer had a narrow appeal or if at this point Feige and Co take it for granted that audiences will show up. OR maybe it was intentional and they overestimated the size of the potential teen/young adult audience.
i don’t think the teens like it either lol
I remember seeing a post advertising it on Facebook all the top commenters were saying “keep rewatching it so we can fight those haters and review bombers, we got to bring the numbers up!”
the one punch man manga handled having a op character very well.
The part with the alcohol being portrayed here is wildly incorrect.
She doesn't "drink it anyway".
She is tricked into drinking it and only told after she takes a sip and realizes, and then she stops drinking it.
It's taken directly from the comic run.
@Shafayat Kibria never said she spit it out... Who's lying? Why are you making things up?
Fun fact: in this youtube video they claim "they tell her there is alcohol in it and she drinks it anyway".
That's not what happens. She is tricked into drinking it and then finds out there is alcohol in it and then doesn't drink anymore.
Also...how the hell does Kamala Khan even know who Captain Marvel is?
According to their own timeline, Carol Danvers was on earth in the 90s, some 15 years before Kamala was born; she left earth and spent the next 25 years or so in space and only came back after the snap. She then spent her time in space dealing with troubles on other planets, only sporadically keeping in touch with Natasha Romanof.
WHEN did Kamala Khan get to know of this character? Let alone her real name?
Realistically, what they set up during the infinity saga, only 4-5 heroes were known to the general public: Iron Man, Iron Patriot, Captain America, Thur and Hulk.
Noone else is really that well known.
Well you haven’t watched it so watch the show and find out
@@jacobfleming3926 I have watched it, but the timeline still doesn't add up.
"This superhero was created by somebody who knows nothing abouy superheros." Wait, wut? 🤣.
Made me laugh because it's so ridiculously sad that it's true. 🤦🏾♀️
Drinker, you boisterous imbiber you! Love that you are going to have a talk with Adil El Arbi and Bilal Fallah. 2 prodigies that we Belgians are really proud of. Can't wait to watch your interview.
Yes, 'black' for example is a very good film.
Because of their ethnic background I would fear them being pushed in the "diversity hire" category when participating in these type of projects, when they are actually very talented and smart guys who know what they're doing.
Them having this conversation really is in line with their positive, can-do-attitude, a nice variation from the current fanblaming attitude we often come across.
I wished we could all send the Channel Terrible Writing Advice
towards Hollywood and Marvel,
which would both be a Giant Roast and also constructive Criticism.
Those guys are underrated af
Excited to see what they do with Batgirl
Tinfoil hat time: with the obvious link to Captain Marvel, the failure lends credibility to Captain Marvel not doing too well despite what the media reported. Remember all the photos of nearly empty movie theaters on opening weekend despite the same showings bring completely booked?
Too big to fail.
I love how the ads say that you're missing out if you don't watch this show
"That one will be gone in a few weeks" It's already gone...