Is Mint Debian Underrated? - Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 Review
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- čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
- Time to check in with the latest edition of LMDE before version 21 of the main version Linux Mint releases - what do you miss? And does this distro deserve more of the spotlight?
0:00 History of LMDE
1:23 Cinnamon lags behind
2:53 Installer and drivers more technical
4:20 Mint tools present and correct
5:12 Outdated kernel
6:45 Same included software
7:35 Resource usage
8:11 Distro upgrades
9:27 Outdated packages...
11:00 ...but Flatpak
11:52 Conclusions
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I use LMDE as my sole OS and I love It. I am relatively new to Linux but I do not find any limitations from Windows 10. Yes it must be underrated.
On the strength of this video I tried Mint Debien, primarily as I was looking for something "shinier" than the "lite" distro I was using, on this older under powered laptop I recently acquired. It was a smooth install, the overall performance seems even better, and the boot time has much improved. Definitly a keeper.
I would not mind swapping to the Deb edition. So far I am happy with Mint 20.3 and can't wait to try version 21. Mint is my daily driver. At the end of the day, I just want my computer to work so I can do my reports, schedules, send emails and play a little Tux Cart here and there. You know, things that people normally do with their computers. It is comforting to know that if something happens to Ubuntu, life will continue to be good swapping to the Deb edition.
Stable Distro's are the way to go, Debian Edition has even less updates then the Ubunto based Mint. I used to use ARCH on another PC and in like 2 weeks you could have up to 100 Updates in the tray, every day updates galore, Total Update Insanity LOL Yeh I will stick with Linux Mint any Day.
@@STONE69_ Mint is awsome too
@@STONE69_ lol, daily updates are indeed annoying, but i like my system to be up to date more
Best is to shift whole Linux mint to debian base. This will ensure we won't fall fall for the mistakes Ubuntu has fallen for. Plus its nice to have ur own distro based on pure debian & to take It from there to new hights.
As PeppermintOs did this year. Perhaps inspirational for the Mint team.
I would like to see Mint do that.
I've used Mint for a long time and my experience is that LMDE is AMAZING. Its so very very stable. Any issues like crashes, stop jobs, password loops, failed updates vanished. Been using it since day one and its never once given me an issue.
I am having a similar excellent experience. Although I wasnt a regular Mint user before.
@@jethrot100 Someone called it the Toyota Corolla of Linux's. I think that sums it up nicely.
@@williamsmith3169 What a brillant analogy. I wish I had said that
I like the sound of that. Stability and longevity of old hardware that still works is the best feature.
@@TheChadWork2001 Indeed. Linux has a lot to offer in terms of being less wasteful and consumerist too. I hate the idea of throwing something away that is still perfect usable.
My ONLY complain about LMDE is the lack of driver manager that the Ubuntu based Mint has, because personally I think it is a very useful tool that can save you a headache
sudo apt install nvidia-driver
@@peterkensing565 but you can't choose which version. It is a no go if you are a gamer on linux.
@@thierrybo6304 It's the most stable version, not the most recent
@@peterkensing565 Then you have to update-initramfs, because the nvdia driver also blacklists Nouveau and that won't take effect until you do.
I switched to LMDE from Mint around a month ago and this took me a while to figure out. It definately made me miss the driver manager.
@@peterkensing565 Can install it if i have an amd graphic card? Noob here :/
I have made a habit of keeping hardware for quite a long time. Stopping only to update HD to SSD and max out RAM. I am a long time user of Debian itself and while I have tried 30 or so distros I tend to like Debian based versions best. I settled on LMDE 5 for all my computers to have an identical toolset and cloud storage access when moving between machines (desktops, laptops, chromebooks). Debian (and its derivatives) have had a long held the reputation for slow package updates but it is also rock solid generally. I personally haven't found that I need a feature in a newer version of almost any software I use so badly that it would put me off LMDE (or Debian itself for that matter). If it were so there is nothing stopping me from doing the work to install the upgraded version if needed. While I have power user skills I definitely do not use them often in Linux. I just want some basic things that Windows and Mac don't give me. An affordable secure computing experience with little interruption from the OS and (little to) no crashes when it does have to do its thing. That's what makes me a Linux user. I have everything from a 2007 20 inch iMac, Original HP 14 Chromebook, to a 2022 AMD Rizen based mini PC using LMDE perfectly. My vote is underrated.
I have Mint on a PC under Debian and Mint on a laptop under Ubuntu , they are both great , I didn't find installs or setups any more or less difficult , I am quite impressed by how easy they are in setup , I use mint as a replacement for Windows , not deep into Kernels and Terminal , just want a comfortable productive OS , they both excel at that .
I've been enjoying LMDE on my thinkpad x260 for about 2 months. I just wanted a system that wouldn't have thousands of updates if I didn't open my laptop for a few weeks.
Thanks for the insights mate. I have been using LMDE 5 for a month or so, it's just fantastic. I was reluctant to try Mint before, for a reason I don't even know, but after installing and using LMDE 5, I found myself home, and everything just works out of the box.
one issue I think with LMDE ... is that Linux Mint seems so stable and one of the best options for new linux users. That is a good issue to have when one of the main issues is "the other thing you do is more popular and done so good"
Though if they WANT to go to LMDE as the main "Mint" at some point ... keeping LMDE updated of the years, make sense
I have been using LMDE for 2 days and I like what I have found. It runs perfectly on my Ryzen 5 4600g APU and now my system can hibernate. I'm also glad I found this channel.
I have been using LMDE for 2 years. It has been updated from version 4 to version 5. Then there were several kernel updates. It works great on my laptop with an integrated Intel graphics card. The processor is a dual-core Core i3. The software I use is Chromium, Rhythmbox, Hypnotix, Discord.
I like LMDE very much. I use it every day now. I used the other version of Linux Mint only for a shot time. I find that the Debian Edition very stable and fast.
If you install the nvidia-driver package you'll always get the latest stable release instead of being stuck on a certain version.
I doubt they can add a proper graphical driver manager for the Debian version... If they do it, then it will be far more easier and user-friendly.
Why do you doubt that?
@@krzychhoo I'm not saying by her/him but Clém himself said it won't happen (but haven't said the reason it won't) 🤷♂🤷♂
@@krzychhoo Perhaps because it is so important and hasn't been done yet. This is 2022, not 2002.
Ubuntu have accomplished that.
@@masonbridgewater8109 I dislike Ubuntu's user interface. But I am glad it is available for others to optimize more to my preferences.
I don't know about LMDE, but I use plain Debian stable and Linux 5.18.2 is in Debian Backports.
I've run Debian + Backports since Lenny. It's even better now with Flatpak for certain apps.
I've lived through both the KDE 3 to 4 and Gnome 2 to 3 upgrades. People may not remember, but KDE 4 was a disaster on release and unusable until 4.4 and Gnome 3 is Gnome 3.
So... I've learned to distrust updates, even for desktop use lol.
One great advantage of the Ubuntu edition is the newer kernel/firmware, so even with an LTS you get good hardware support for modern hardware
Agreed Jan. I just installed Mint Ubuntu 20.3 on new Asus ZenBook 13 with 11th gen Intel i7, and video no good. Within Mint, I found kernel management feature, updated to newer kernel, and my 1920x1080 worked on Mint 20.3
@@nwoooy._drope but fedora is kernel base, so it make it less featured
Just yesterday I was debating whether I want to switch to lmde 5 over the next mint when it comes out of beta. Just to really try it no other reason. But the older kernel does give me some pause. However it's an older machine I'm going to install it on so it shouldn't make much of a difference. I like that they have a Debian offering. Good summary of the pros and cons. Thanks. :)
Currently "grooming" a linux user prospect, and this little gem is what I am promoting as the best choice of distro. Yes agree it is underated.
I'm a total normie when it comes to computers, I just installed Mint Debian on my wifes old iMac 27" 12.2 as it's no longer supported by apple, I hope it goes well, my main use for a desktop is for CAD so I'm going to give FreeCAD, LunuxCNC and LibreCAD a go
i think cutting out ubuntu is good.
since they *force* to install snap packages
the LMDE 5 is good distro and very stable.
I switched from Mint to LMDE for my work desktop about a month ago and I'm honestly loving it.
Interestingly though, I notice it's very sensitive to overclocking - I run dualboot with Windows for gaming reasons and the overclock that had worked perfectly fine for tens of thousands of hours on both Windows and Mint 21 causes the whole machine to lock up completely within 15 minutes on LMDE. When I scaled it back a bit the problem went away.
Suse and Red Hat are also pioneers of Desktop Linux. I have always used KDE, and openSuse is on of the best. It's not a great beginner edition, but Snapper has saved me several times! Solid and dependable with support available, an overlooked distro with a well maintained kernel.
I did an install of 21.0 Cinnamon edition to a USB flash drive (not live) for use on multiple PCs. The PC I installed with has AMD integrated graphics. I later plugged the flash drive into my work PC that has Nvidia discrete graphics. I got a popup on my desktop asking me to choose drivers for my graphics card. It listed my exact model card and gave me a choice of a few different drivers. I went ahead with the proprietary Nvidia drivers. I later received an update notice to updating from 21.0 to 21.1 with one of the choices being to skip the update. I assume if I selected "skip this version" it wouldn't ask again, however I wanted to have the update. The update was seamless without losing any of my appearance settings. Mint Cinnamon can be tweaked to have an absolutely beautiful desktop appearance. I recommend the "Transparency Extension" to everyone wanting a great looking desktop. I'm very pleased with Mint Cinnamon thus far. It's beautiful, responsive and very stable.
I have to use Windows at work for a few pieces of software that absolutely won't work with any x86 emulator like Wine or Play on Linux. If it were not for the software that requires a Windows OS, I'd use nothing but Linux with Mint Cinnamon being my top choice.
Ive used lmde since its inception and it has been incredible
btw i changed my school lappy to this you made it real easy
LMDE 4 marked the end of my distro hopping phase, now tinkering LMDE 5.
If you're not a gamer (I'm not) and if you don't use a NVIDIA GPU (I don't now lol) and you just need a basic, stable system to use as a daily driver on hardware that's not bleeding edge, I would always highly recommend LMDE. I guess I'm also a pretty decent Mint fanboy :)
Same for Deepin, but I still avoid recommending because of other issues regarding it being too oud.
@@MarkHobbes Yeah... I love the look and feel of the Deepin desktop, but, the only Deepin I've ever found that worked for me in a manner that made me feel relaxed and happy was Ubuntu Deepin. It is what it is I guess.
@Krakete Sorry, I've written it wrong.
@@emjaycee I understand completely because it happened to me. It's interesting that even it not being an official version is way more stable than the "official" one which is Deepin and not only about stability but having a better repository.
@@MarkHobbes I've always thought, personally, that Deepin was better suited to the Ubuntu base than the Debian one...but I'm not a Deepin dev :) Oddly enough, Ubuntu DDE sources weren't working today when I went to update it... guess I'll have to check back next week :) I was disappointed with that though to be honest.
If you want a newer kernel you can install another maintained one like Xanmod. They offer different ones like stable (5.18 right now) and LTS (5.15 right now).
I run the beta of Mint 21 and LMDE 5 and my PC's and the differences are so small most users won't notice them.The new Mint runs a 5.15 kernel and like you say LMDE runs a 5.10 kernel.both the new beta and the Debian version are rock solid on my PC's and the Debian version is certainly a better choice for older equipment with less ram and processor power.
Do you automatically get a Wifi driver in LMDE 5? during your install ... or do you have to go hunt for it.
@@STONE69_ My wifi was detected automatically
@@derekr54 did you say "your wife was detected automatically"
I broke down and tried Linux Mint Debian Edition and it's the first version of Linux I came across that I could switch from Windows to. It is also the only version that would work properly for me with Audicity.
"even the word underrated is a little overrated these days"
so true
Some time back I tried LMDE4. That was the end of my distro hopping and searching. Now running LMDE5. Replaced a pain in the A$$ ASUS touchscreen running Windows with the same machine running Mint that is a pleasure to use. Small updates on Win would take hours compared to major updates, kernel and all, taking minutes including restart times. Everything just works.
Also run it on two old laptops with no problems.
I use LMDE since its release in March on my office laptop, and i didn't have any issue so far no even a tiny hiccup. Other d'Istria always give me some trouble to solve about my office network, printers etc, but LMDE works like windows, plug and pay
Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has been using 5.15 kernel a ~couple of weeks now as 20.04.5 is rolling out; the date in the schedule rates to the ISO release detail but installed systems get it many weeks for that (current focus is 22.04.1, after that focus shifts to 20.04.5 daily).
(5.13 came from 21.10 which is EOL; thus the shift away from it in Ubuntu, as 5.13 isn't security patched any longer)
I've been using linux most of my life but got so tired of things not working and having to spend hours troubleshooting. I'm not an expert but I'm no novice either but when things break it still takes awhile to figure out. I love Windows 11 personally but LMDE with Cinnamon is the first version that made me think I could actually live with Linux as a daily driver.
BTW, I put this on an Dell Optiplex 9020 I7-4790 16GB RAM and 480GB SSD and it's amazing. It runs at about 1GB of RAM at idle and every app starts instantly and it's just as fast as my high-end gaming machine. I was running 4 virtual machines on this including a Windows 2022 server running as a domain controller and had no issues.
To be fair to Linux Mint Debian, I'm running Pop OS and the Pop Shop listing for Thunderbird, even from Flatpak, is also showing 91.11.0. I think Thunderbird is pushing out the updates to various repos slowly.
I've been running LMDE for about three months and the only issue that I've had is with a printer driver that won't recognize my scanner. It's not the end of the world but a little bit of a pain when I want to scan. Other than that is has run very well.
I've tried LMDE 5 and I do like it. Being a new Linux user, I'm not familiar enough with Linux OS distros to make a comparison or criticism. I haven't had a bad experience, however, I've also been trying Manjaro and I feel more inclined to use it. Currently, Manjaro is on my main computer and I have LMDE5 installed on a ten year old Mac. I also have a second SSD where I have Windows 10 and Linux Mint dual boot set up, but that's been giving minor issues at start up. LMDE 5 on the Mac is a little slow, but I attribute that to the hardware. I'm considering trying to switch it to XFCE to see if there is a noticeable improvement in performance. I'd like to try installing different OSes on the Mac, but that doesn't seem to be an option since I blew MacOS away. I guess eventually I get it figured out.
I have just installed LMDE 5 on my ASUS X541uv a few days ago. It looks similar to the Ubuntu-based Linux Mint..
The only thing missing is the restricted driver installer which is useful for me to install the propietary Nvidia driver..
Tried it and LDME4 for over a year and loved it, however I have since switched distros, but I keep a LDM5 iso on a usb drive just in case I have things on my current distro go south because LDME5 is a rock solid release.
the BEST distro to keep on a USB for repairs is MXlinux
I believe you do get a graphical "driver" experience because I've gotten it before when installing it on a device that has a supported card that can use open source code base or the nvidia one
Running Fedora + Cinnamon. Have current kernel.
@InfinitelyGalactic Great video, but a question. Is Linux Mint LMDE still getting supported by the Linux Mint Dev' team like is it still getting updates? The reason why I ask, is after Ubuntu stopped supporting 32bit systems (which is wrong on many levels) Linux Mint's main release followed the same as it is based off of Ubuntu. So, I really hope you or someone out there can verify that the Linux Mint Dev' team is still supporting their LMDE debian based version because there IS a 32bit offering on their page for that. I just got three Dell laptops, with a 32bit Pentium M cpu they work fine on Debian 11, I was hoping that I could put Linux Mint on one of them for certain reasons.
@@SecularSkeptic Thanks for your reply, I'm also happy to see that Debian 12 which is underneath it all, is still supporting the 32bit cpu architecture.
I've been running Linux Mint for some time now, maybe 3-4 years, same installs just updating to each new version over time. If I was to start from scratch I would probably use LMDE but there's no reason to change my current installs.
On my NAS I run Debian, the most minimal install possible with only the things I actually need installed, whereas I used to run Ubuntu Server on it, so I'm quite happy to use Debian, it's just like I said there's no reason to switch my desktop machines over.
I guess that shows that even the main Mint distribution is pretty solid.
LMDE is the only distro that I have stuck with. If I had one wish, it would be a global menu option in Cinnamon. I also think Pop! is a great choice. And I definitely support the idea that there is a distro out there for everyone. Though MacOS remains my daily driver, simply because of workflow and key software that I use from Steinberg and Adobe.
Debian should be what LMDE is . Ready to use out of the box , no need to set it up . With same type of update manager for all available DEs on debian which should be like mint's update manager .
What I have found out is that LMDE is besides Debian possibly the last "user friendly" distro, which provides 32 bit edition. And I have found out LMDE to be nearly as user friendly as standard Linux Mint. Btw. if you have pretty old computer and pretty BFU user, you don't mind a bit older packages. So, I would say that LMDE might be good option for old computers or conservative users, which on the other hand don't want to fight with limited user friendlyness of Debian.
Btw. regarding Flatpacks - no, this is Windows style of software installation. Bloated, slow, limited etc. As a backup option it might be fine, but as primary option... not at all.
Looking forward to LMDE 6 based on Debian 12 (Bookworm).
It didn't have drivers for my internal wireless network adapter, and no driver manager to install them. I didn't feel like spending all day getting it to work.
For me it’s not underrated. It’s is without alternative for my 17 year old 32 bit Thinkpad, it I want to run halfway decent modern desktop software.
LMDE is awesome when I'm able to install it... A recent failure - I've got a mini PC with a quad core Atom CPU, 4 GB RAM and a 64 GB memory card on which the LMDE installer bombs during disk setup. Debian stable with non-free firmware installs successfully but is missing the WiFi driver. Linux Mint installs successfully with no issues. Ubuntu is an African word that means "Debian with a better installer".
I used the upgrade tool from Mint 19.2 to 19.3 and it buggered everything up, couldn't see anything on the screen. Lucky, I backed up my Data. Many years ago, it also happened using the terminal method, now I just do clean install using a USB Drive. ... I would like to try LMDE but people have complained about missing Wifi Driver, does anyone know if this is a problem in LMDE 5?
It was a problem for me on an older laptop. I just installed another distro for now while I do more reading on installing the Debian non free repositories
I used LMDE 5 on an old (2015) chromebook and the wifi worked right away. No issues.
The driver manager uses a program called "ubuntu-drivers". That's why it isn't available.
ubuntu-drivers can be used in the terminal in Ubuntu or regular Linux Mint. Try running "ubuntu-drviers devices", and you'll get the same results as what you see in the driver manager.
I use Mint/Debian. All I notice is fewer updates.
I love this distro. Just recently I noticed that Intel drivers are kinda outdated... And that wouldn't be an issue if I didn't stuck to some weird version for UHD620 that suffers from stuttering and ghosting... And there are really no infos how to renew drivers like through some repos...
Coming over from ubuntu which has gor worse year after year was an absolute blessing. The ONLY issue I have is getting wine to work. I have a few windows programs I need but have to jump back to ubuntu to use them and it's becoming a massive headache.
I love it! It does everything I want, plus I don't have to think about Bill Gates.
I have just installed it, but do find it a bit slower to run on my Lenovo T430 i5 8 GB SSD Laptop, I was running LM Ubuntu, I would like it a bit faster on loading programs, but that would be all, other than that I love it, Any suggestions please
Debian is badass... thanks to debian we have soo many great derivatives, i use Mx linux, it's soo good, it scratches my windows itch, but i wish they had a better looking desktop, may be cinamon.
Want to know what to do with LMDE 5 for a 32 bit system. New ro it all and want to plat games and use it just like my main. But more simple. Thats all
It's a good distro, I really wish the Linux Mint folks had kept the Plasma version.
LMDE does get the latest Cinammon desktop updates; about the same time Linux Mint does.
Good job laying out the highlights of Linux Mint, I am close to daily drive with Linux and ditch Windows for good. Linux Mint definitely rocks.
yes do it.. !! when you stop using Windows - you will be set free!!!.. I use KDE Kubuntu.. Give it a try!.. You can install it side-by-side your LM and it will do a dual boot.. Or, if you want to get real "nerd".. install Virtual Machine and run all your systems inside that.. even Windows.. I dropped Windows almost 20 yrs ago.. be happy ever since!
because of the family I want to have QQ and Wechat also included
Wonder if I can find it here?
what is the difference between LMDE and Debian with a cinnamon DE?
Is there a way to get a regular screensaver on this, instead of the screen locker that comes with it.
Speaking about a fantastic Debian-based desktop, you should checkout Spiral Linux specifically KDE! It's made by the Gecko team 😀
i have been using LMDE 5 since march and i gotta say i really like it it's Debian style stable and the cinnamon DE for me anyway it runs beautifully i'm not a fan boy or anything in fact i was an asshole Arch user for five years till i was messing with config files and an update humbled me so i decided to go to Debian i ran Debian 4 years on a newer PC at the time so when i got my new one i decided to go to LMDE 5 and it was a great decision( i believe). so far it's great. it runs my VM's so well i couldn't believe it. i pray everyday that the mint team puts a more concerted effort into LMDE...oh crap maybe i am turning into a LMDE fan boy. lol
I knew Ubuntu was a good product when I watched a video from MIT about their robot dog. And yes, their puters we running - drum roll - Ubuntu.. SO there you have it.. me, KDE all the way.. but I do use Debian in my VM. Mint is stable but I find it - annoying.. although quite stable.. I still have the Linux KDE version!!.. ha.. luv that..
side note: Maybe do a review of Kodachi...??... I started it in my VM but have not examined it much as it has lots of things to check out..
Who's the model in the video?
Linux Mint - Debian Edition: Is The Best Distro For Far.
I found that LMDE5 was too heavy for my sixteen year old Celeron laptop with 2GB RAM. I then tried MX 32-bit, finally Q4OS. Only the latter runs smooth if the Trinity DE is employed. KDE Plasma bottlenecks the 128MB VRAM in no time.
LMDE5 do not has available DetWinner from .deb package. What a shame ! I don't want flatpack because DetWinner ~3,1GB on hdd. 😕 That's rudiculous.
And LMDE is snap free too😉
LMDE 5 works perfekt for me on my older hardware. Maybe for new Computers a RR Distro is better.
My distro hopping ended with LMDE3.
so far i have no problem using lmde, don't se any diffenrences with the main linux mint
LMDE 6 works fine
I use Nobara based on Fedora by Glorious egroll and its awsome and way better than Fedora itself.
Mint rocks
LMDE is a great distro but I'd like to see on offer, on their official distro list, LM Arch edition. I know numbers would swell; shoot through the roof, even
LMDE is looking really interesting to me. Debian 12 is nice by itself. With Mint polish on it, it will be superb. Ubuntu is a hard-pass right now.
The whole point of using debian is that it's rock solid stable. They don't promote it as such, but it is every much an enterprise Linux as RedHat was. They are very conservative on the release of packages into the "stable" repositories. If you're going to alter the repositories for allow for non-stable "testing" packages, you may as well just install the ubuntu version. Debian is about stability. Ubuntu is about the latest and greatest, and all the possible crashes you could ever want..
I attempted to install Debian for 2 hours and it just would not work and so I decided I'll try it again next year, nice to know I can at least use Linux Mint DE if I want to but honestly I have better things to do with my time that read through Debian's terrible manual. Even their website is so incredibly vague and off putting I don't see any real reason to use it.
I think it's a good version but lacks so much stuff from Ubuntu and it's very outdated since it's based on the stable branch of Debian and Ubuntu itself is based of the testing branch. If it were based on the testing branch I assume it would be equivalent and better suited for desktop than is Debian stable. I consider the stable branch better for servers even though there are some odd people who still uses it in the desktop, I bet they aren't picky gamers though.
"I bet they aren't picky gamers though."
You get it right, some aren't even gamers -- don't play anything that's why it fits them so well.
Ubuntu isn't based Debian testing. It is independent than Debian development.
I play Steam and Heroic (Epic) games all the time on my Debian 11 Stable, so I don't know what are you talking about. No problem whatsoever.
@@desktopmonologues Exactly, as a Debian stable user myself I don't find any issues with either. Just get the latest .deb package from the official website of the software and now you are using the latest features of the software with the most stable operating system.
@@MarkHobbes So true. It's usually those old farts.
A year or two there was a new linux mint version that you could not upgrade to. You had to install from scratch. This was unacceptable for such a mainstream OS that praise the ease of use. I don't know if this has changed, but i flied to other distributions since this time.
I can't realy see the essential difference between LMDE and Debian+Cinnamon....
😃
People that are ok with old packages for the sake of point release and ease of use seem like they'd be better served by Webtv if they're not running servers.
Just jumped from Windows, hard
Wait a minute... You're not Thio Joe, are you? I've been confusing you both for years now.
LMDE looks fine, but I still think that MX Linux with the "advanced hardware support" version does a better job in keeping things up to date and working (kernel 5.16, drivers, codecs) and providing simple opportunity to get new(er) versions of apps, both normal packages and flatpaks. But of course, you do not get the Cinnamon desktop (very easy).
talking about installer and now showing the installer is wrong.
It's a very nice packaging of debian, but personally I don't find there's much of a reason to choose it over just going regular mint lts to lts.
If I were to use a debian distro, mx seems to provide some more up to date packaging and kernels, sort of like Ubuntu but not taken as far, so I find it the most compelling.
I am running both, and "on the surface" there is no difference. LMDE is as good as "LMUE" (as I lovingly call it).
Cinnamon will be the last to support Wayland
My DE does everything I want/need it to and more on Xorg. Not saying there's not room for something new, but people whining about not supporting Wayland...what does it actually give you on an average users machine that Xorg doesn't? When I check in on Wayland every ...6-9 months or so.... I keep finding out about one more feature that it doesn't support and won't support. WTF? It's yet another new linux system that does less. There's a reason some distros aren't in a hurry to throw all their dependencies on something like Wayland. Some people just want new and shiny whether it works or not, which is dumb. When Mint devs decide it's ready for THEM to use, that's when they will use it and that's when I will use it.
LM has more drivers support than LMDE