SUR-RON Storm Bee | 100% - 10% BATTERY TEST | How far can the Sur Ron go?
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- A battery range test with the new Sur-Ron Storm Bee electric dirt bike. In this video, we start out at 100% battery and see how far the Sur Ron Storm Bee can go before reaching 10% battery. Read below to see how far the Sur Ron Storm Bee can go before running out of battery.
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If you’ve been following along, you saw that we recently did a First Ride ( • NEW SUR-RON Storm Bee ... ) with the long awaited Sur Ron Storm Bee, which is the full-size big brother to the Lightbee X, Sur Ron's popular little electric dirt bike. I asked for your questions, and you delivered, with one of the most common questions being battery range.
I decided to do two different 100% to 10% range tests to cover battery life on the Storm Bee. We’ll include battery range as one of the many topics we’ll cover in the full review, but I wanted to break this specific video off since everyone wants to know these numbers.
Just a reminder that this bike is a pre production model. This test bike has a 90V 48Ah battery totaling a capacity of 4.3 kWh.
Sur Ron just announced that they are going to do better for the production model, which they now claim will be a 104V 55Ah battery totaling a capacity of 5.7 kWh.
The production battery will have 1.4kWh more than the pre-production battery, which on paper is roughly 25% more capacity. Sur Ron is now claiming a range improvement from 105km to 120km, which is an increase of 12.5%. So I’ll still reveal the numbers for the range on this pre-production bike, but I’ll also reveal what 12.5% percent more battery range would be. This is my rough, non-scientific way estimate without knowing the added weight of the new battery, but just know, these numbers are expected to improve with the production model.
Because this electric dirt bike is a street legal dual sport, I thought it was arguably more important to test the battery life on dirt roads. For this range test, I put the bike in eco mode and tried to maintain a conservative speed of 40mph, although I fluctuated between 35 and 45 throughout the ride.
The bike settings were B2 for the Brake Energy Regenerative System, E3 for the Slide Energy Regenerative feature and A2 for ASR or traction control. I had the tires inflated to 20 PSI front and rear and I weigh approximately 165 pounds with this gear on. Shortly thereafter, I ran into a nasty rain storm but still managed to run the bike from 100% down to 10%. After all was said and done, I had gone a total distance of 45 miles.
If you want to factor in the new battery, my rough, non-scientific way to do that would be to add 12.5%, which would bring the total mileage up another 5.6 miles to a total of roughly 50.6 miles, in this scenario.
For the singletrack test, I was riding at a realistic pace, in sport mode, with the factory settings at B2, E3 and A2. I was running a PSI of 12 in the front and 13 in the rear, which are my normal off road tire settings.
Mid way through my ride, my battery revealed that at 50% battery life, I had gone roughly 13 miles. I managed to ride the bike in this environment from 100% down to 10% for a total of 23.4 miles. If you add the same 12.5% like we added to the dual sport ride, you’re looking at an additional 2.9 miles of range for a total distance of 26.3 miles.
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The range may suck, but the lack of noise with these electric bikes will be awesome for backyard tracks in built-up neighbourhoods!
Absolutely. This could expand the sport of MX and riding greatly in the future. Noise has closed a several tracks around our area over the years.
Exactly! Right now I’m stuck between going gas and getting my license revoked in 3 months or going electric and possibly running out of charge sooner than I want… sadly I think I’m forced to go electric. Going to get the Alta redshift mxr. Half the charging time, looks better and is American made.
Sounds about right. I used to own a Zero DS and could get around 110-130km off road doing mostly logging roads and double track. Mine had about double the battery but also weighed 425lbs. I bought a CRF300L and haven't looked back. Range is everything
🤣 reality
it didnt even make it over 25 miles on trails lol
What battery did the DS have?
I've owned the same pre-production enduro for 10 months in Mongolia. I've done about 1000 km. We're China's next door neighbor so got early access. However, I think I own the only one in Mongolia.
Anyway, the numbers don't sound high but I generally have a couple of hours of enjoyment. My rides are between 1-3 hours almost daily in the mountains where I live. I ride 95% off-road because I live off-road. Electric suits me because I've got a grid connection and rates are very cheap here. Whereas I have to ride 15km each way just to get petrol or diesel for my other vehicles. I do a lot of trail rides or no trails at all and some unpaved roads.
I don't mind the range issues. The fun factor trumps everything for me. I tried the Surron Light Bee X and it was just too small for me. I'm tall and heavyish (187cm and 93kg).
Which mode do you typically use for your off-road riding and what kind of range do you get?
@@jeh1n I use eco or rain modes for off road. Eco for the longer running time and rain for the traction control. I only use sport on the rare occasion I go on a paved road. It’s unnecessary for dirt. I don’t count distance. I count time. For distance estimates, the original video should be considered a good reference.
Hello. Updated (2022) versions of the storm are now arriving in Russia. This is not the update that Tucker was talking about. We have three versions of this 90V 48Ah bike - enduro, MX and road. This is an upgrade version (MX) that has been on sale for a year and a half. The changes are as follows:
1.Water cooling for controller
2. Suspension replaced by KKE (front and rear) (was Fastace)
3. Low current charger (was 20A, now 12A)
Thanks for this video, I've been keeping an eye on your videos to monitor the progress of this bike. Lately, I've been tinkering with a freshly modded SurRon and this weekend was my first single track offroad test on it with a 72v 33amp hour battery and an electro and company controller. I was noticing similar results albeit I was riding 90% of the time at 7kw. Mind you I'm about 235lbs with gear on. My first day was 50/50 roads and single track, I ran the battery dead to 60v and got about 28-29 miles. The area I was in was hilly with about 400 ft max elevation change from low to high points so I did that a few times I would guess. On the second day, I rode only single track at 7kw 90% of the time. I rode 19 miles and was around 71v when finished. Considering I was running on 7kw mode I was hoping for more but I had about 1.5 hours of fun that day. The thing was awesome on the trails I was riding. I just wished I had more range. It seems below 71v you start to lose a bunch of power and it drains fast at that point. But for what it's worth the electro and company tune on this controller is spot on. It's so smooth it's ridiculous. They did a good job tuning it. I just wished I had double the battery. Maybe I should have opted for the 60v 53ah battery?
I recently did a ride in Southwest Colorado that was 162 miles of forest roads, 50 inch and single track trails over multiple mountain passes on a KTM 500EXC-F. With range like that looks like I'd be stuck in the middle of nowhere. Bike might be fine for track but I'll stick with gas!
Definitely a neighborhood ripper
Been waiting for an update on this again!!!
5:20 this is why hand guards mounted on your grip are soooooo important. Definitely saved me from breaking my hand many times.
Thanks for the great review of the bike! Hope it's not too late for some more questions:
* What's the fastest charging speed? Can it be charged using j1772 just as you did way back with the Zero? At home is it just 110v or 220v as well? How many amps at 220v?
* What kind of insurance would it need for road usage? I remember here in BC, Canada they would determine your insurance based on your engine CC, don't know how would that work for electric motorcycles.
* How does it compare to the Stark Varg?
very helpful. You're awesome. This is exactly the stuff we need. Someone mentioned time below. At 40 mph hitting around 50 miles, that means the bikes only good for about 1 hr. Not bad, but I wish it was a little better.
@Larry Kropp Right on man! I echo that sentiment. It appears all the current electric dirt bikes are within this range.
It can only get better from this point forward. I would expect to be looking at 60 and 70+ miles range within the next couple of years.
@@fredpinczuk7352 also i battery upgrades wil happen for every electric bike. So if you buy one now you wont be sorry because it only can get better.
Great video brother! 🤙🏼
Thank you much for making these videos , i'ts right on par of what i thought would be possible . I know that we are looking at a production motorcycle but i think that a diy build with QS. Motors QS138 70H would perform even better and you would have much more space for the batt as the motor is much smaller in size and also lighter as well . I've seen 7kwh + builds in electric motorcycle Facebook group
Heh, testing the Storm Bee during a storm - how appropriate 😉 The reported range sounds about right. I think this was just about what everyone was expecting. Maybe someday we'll get to see all the over-hyped 'new battery technology' come to fruition. Until battery energy density and infrastructure make exponential leaps in technology and deployment, this is going to be kind of 'the standard' for what we see. It seems like ~100Wh per mile (on-road) to 200Wh/mi (offroad) is about the limit of what we're going to see. And you can only stuff so much battery into a motorcycle-sized package.
Can't wait a review with the Sur-Ron Storm Bee MX version VS the Stark Varg!
proper test , thanks, starkvarg not gonna look good at 6kwh battery , i estimated it will do 40 miles, i was wrong it will do 25 :D , btw my Dual battery surron does 35miles on single track eco mode :D
perfect for a 20min moto then back to the pits to charge up between races. these will be amazing for motocross tracks that are in built up areas with noise restrictions.
I have a talaria sting and a CRF 300 L. I tried to talaria around the neighborhood and down the back roads and have been pretty impressed with the range as I know I’m comfortable to drive at least 15 to 20 miles in one direction before I know I need to turn around on the other hand I would never attempt things as I would on the 300 L but they are two different types of fun and the talaria grab so many peoples attention from a wow factor
@Joshua Guidry For sure man. Different bikes for different purposes! If it's a long distance ride, I'm riding an ICE bike too.
Awesome looking, I want 1
Thanks for the "road" test, that is really useful to know.
For the single-track test, how long did you ride for? I find that miles are not very useful metric for that kind of riding.
@Laurynas Thanks for the note. For the single track, it was roughly over 1 hour of riding.
Did they do pre production testing in New Zealand? Because these have been available here for a few years already. Limited number but more limited by price and demand so far. I recently bought an upgraded Sur Ron. Looking forward to Ubco FXR1 that I was told yesterday at an expo should come out next year (though I've heard that before, hence lost patience and got taller Sur Ron). Storm is too big for what I want from these bikes. I would be interested in a highway capable electric with 150km+ range at a later date but 2 very different bikes is my preference. Great test, thank you.
It's never quite as much range % as added battery % but it's close enough for a ballpark figure. Is there any graph that shows the all the stats of what's available right now? Price weight range power? I had only heard of Surron Alta Freeride and the new Varg before your Red Bull race video, so there is more out there then I thought.
Thanks man
But with that range it seems pointless can’t get anywhere
Your doing a great service here and obviously having a fun time (except for that damn branch!) doing it. Win-win!
@Bryan Dickerson Appreciate that! 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider I’m dreaming of the time when there’s a not-too-heavy electric enduro that allows me to do 50 miles highway at 65-70mph to the Mt Hood forest, ride 8-12 hours of trails and fire roads and then make it back home. Even if that meant a quick charge before the last 50 miles home, that would be awesome! Do you see that happening in the near(ish) future?
Great video. Well done. Electric is coming along. I hated when the four stroke took over until I bought a 450R. I bet electric will be the choice of trail riders like me.
It's interesting to see the range, I have contemplated this bike but am pretty set on and L1e talaria and surron for my parter and I. Want bikes I can put in the back of a hybrid ute, charge easily from the ute or mains and still have payload for camping gear.
I have a xr250l and have done some long trips with that, multi day, the range on it is about 360km. Though I prefer now transporting the bike to a location so these light weight e bikes are the way for me. Plus commuting cheaply is a big plus.
It's interesting that the kWh of the batteries you can get for the surron and talaria get close to that of the storm, wonder what the range is.
I'm excited for offroad electric bikes once capacities improve and/or quick charging stations become common place. Low speed start/stop is perfect for electric motors and offroad you want something quiet and low maintenance.
the closest consistent charging station I have is my own home. :D I want to see a real EV dual sport, but I don't think there will ever be a charging station at the backwoods, I don't see myself lugging a generator at the back of a dual sport and gas in tow.
This gonna be interesting! :]
Maybe a manufacturing quality, durability, overall impression comparison of the Storm Bee and Freeride ?
5.7, maybe they are going pouch cells ? Also 22kw is fun, but in theory we should be closer to 30kw on the new version. Hope the battery fits the old ones
Thank you.
Somehow currently it's almost identical on price to a Husqvarna 300 with road reg here in Australia Melbourne. They're also a 90V battery (23 ktm/husky mdl prices as the 24 TBI are more). Im buying a 300 unless unless something changes before Xmas. Thanks heaps from Aus
This is super helpful. By any chance do they have like eco mode and did you try riding single track on eco mode (100%-10%) battery.
What was the range like?
What was your speed on dirt roads & single track?
@CbeRider Right on. I mention at 2:30 that I am in eco mode and maintaining an average speed of 40mph, although fluctuating between 35-45. I can't predict speed on singletrack because the conditions are constantly changing but I was riding at what I'd consider "normal" pace for that environment.
How much ride time for the trail portion?
How long does it take to charge the battery?
how do you not wash out? I feel like on my surron light bee I wash out all the time. I have a lot of bike experience just not so much off off road on trails.
I will be curious to see the final price, but this looks like good option for the riding I do with my buddies. Our most common loop is 36 miles with mostly fire roads and maybe 5 miles of tight trails.
I guess the biggest thing will be cost, you are getting a bike equal to a $5000 trail bike but likely at $12,000 or more. Bit of a hard sell today, but if they can get the price a little closer to it's gas counterparts, this is the future almost certainly.
I really like the idea of electric but price and range just doesn't seem to be there yet. The lack of noise is a huge benefit for sure 👌
Storm bee is $8500
@@galacticnova85 and Alex MacLean, I just bought a kxl300 for around 8k and had to put 1k into it to make it ok for an ex racer. It has a range of 110 miles from a 2gal tank. My modified 2009 Zero X has a range of 40-50 miles . Other than range and being street legal, the Zero beats the KLX in every metric. The Zero is twice as quick, 100lbs lighter, 100% quieter (klx got loud to be rideable), and the Zero can go way more places where ice bikes arent welcome.
Thanks for the video. Do you really need to be in sport mode to have fun riding single track?
@jose hernandez Thanks Jose. My opinions are based on my perspective but that doesn't mean it's going to be the same perspective for everyone. I personally prefer to ride this bike in Sport mode when I'm riding off road. Would it be possible for a rider to have fun riding single track in eco? Yes, absolutely.
@@ElectricCycleRider So there are only those 2 modes, eco and sport and nothing in between? Then I can understand why you would choose Sport mode.
@@jeh1n It also has a "rain" mode. The Storm Bee is not an overly powerful bike, so I find sport mode to be the best setting for off road riding.
I was guessing it would get 1/3 of a gas bike's range.
I ride similar terrain on different ICE bikes. More and longer hill climbs, however.
The uncorked 2020 KTM 500 weighs 253lbs fueled up. I comfortably get 80mi of single track (5-7hrs or riding). And I've got exactly 112mi of dirt roads with, maybe, 5-7oz of fuel left (done this 3 times), or around 3.5hrs of riding.
An uncorked 2018 250EXC-F lasts longer than I do; have never been able to run it to empty. I think it will reach 130mi on dirt and 2-track. And it weighs 251lbs, "ready to race."
Worst one is a KLX230R, surprisingly. I just have to run it wide-open, pretty much all the time. 60mi-70mi of dirt roads. And it doesn't go on our single track. I think the tank is only 1.7gal though. KTMs are 2.25gal, I believe.
How big is it compared to the sur Ron light bee
If they had interchangeable batteries you could swap it out on the trail and get more miles and time riding then maybe they might compete with gas bikes because range is everything. I ride 20 miles just to get to the off road trails where there is over 62 miles of trails in the green mountain's of VT I'm gone for 5-7 hours easily before returning home
I love my sur ron light bee. Do I wish It had a bit more oomph, a more moto-oriented seat, and could run slightly beefier tires? Yea sure, but I'm just not seeing the value proposition this bike is offering. I want to love it, I really do, but at ~285 pounds for the street legal version it weighs almost as much as my Yamaha WR250 with less than half the range and I can't top it up in the wild. ~260 pounds in the motocross version and it's competing against proper motocross machines. The instant torque and nearly no maintenance certainly have value but seeing as I own a dual sport that's as close to maintenance-free as a combustion bike gets and my light bee I just can't see what this brings to the table.
If the price estimates I'm seeing around 10k USD are correct I could buy new wheels, a moto seat kit, a BAC4000, an aftermarket battery, rebuild the suspension, and a wider extended swingarm for my light bee and I would have a machine that weighed 100lbs less, comparable power and more range. I'm short, so the size of the light bee is a pro for me, but even if it's a con for you I think you could add seat risers and such and still be under cost.
Have to wait for it to be out and selling and see what people think.
the question after this test is.. use the bike for 6-12 months.. then do the same test again and report the results :)
Mileage on trail can be deceptive.
When comparing to a gas bike we gotta remember that when the bike isn't moving it's not using any "fuel" - when people are trying to decide whether to switch off gas or at least try something that isn't gas it's nice to remind them of that point. You could do the same thing with a gas bike but if you don't have an electric start you'll be doing a lot of kicking and even if you do starting and killing a gas motor repeatedly is hard on the engine and starting components.
On any given electric bike if you have the ride data for a 130lb and 280lb rider you should be able to extrapolate mileage/range curves with high confidence because of the nature of EV to actually go the complete distance, every time, for a given range battery and motor/gearing.
With a gas bike you have a completely variable amount of time anyone could be stopped on the trail with the bike running and idling eats fuel so you never know just how far that completely topped off tank is going to get you, much less if you stack on a hill where fuel can leak out before you can get back up to your ride.
With an electric bike, trail mileage prediction is hard to do not because of the terrain but because unless the trail is completely flat and straight you don't know what the actual length of the trail is in advance and unless you have elevation data you can't predict regen. Both those issues are relatively minor with modern tools and methods, but they exist.
Maybe there needs to be a vehicle range "standard" so everyone can just test against that, but that requires not only enthusiasts but industry to agree well enough to actually normalize its usage.
Great video Tucker
Whilst some others also mentioned miles of range is good to know and will change with each person's right hand action .
How long did it take to consume the battery in he single track area?
26 miles or 1 hour of fun riding ? 1.5 hrs? 2hrs?
And charging ? I understand it takes 2 hrs on 220 volts from 10% back to full. And in USA do your generators provide a110 Volt and 220 Volt option or 110 Volt only .
In Aus our generators are all 220 Volt 50 Hz.
How long if charging using a generator if out in the bush for a weekend?
@Michael Anderson Exactly! Riding style, terrain, rider weight are all factors that must be taken into account when determining range. I rode for roughly 1 hour in the single track area.
As for generators, we have 220v options here in the US but they are much more rare (and massive) compared to the more common 110 volt options. I haven't tried to charge the Storm on a generator yet but I'll go over charging and all of that in the full review for sure. Thanks for the note 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider looking forward to your more detailed review.
Love to see you charge using generator and factor that in.
In Aus that road legal storm bee just arrived in stores at RRP AUD$14,495.00
I think my alta had a 5.7kw battery, I'm ignorant on the Storm Bee's charging but I can certainly live with the 5.7, bike can't come soon enough! Thanks for the detailed video!! EDIT, I was corrected on the battery size, it was in fact a 5.8kw battery on the Alta, thanks for those that pointed that out!!
@RetroThruster For sure. The Alta Redshift had a 5.8 kWh battery. I'll cover the charging a bit in the review but the charger utilizes the 120v outlet here in the US, similar output and charge times as your Alta.
You won't be able to live with the weight. And the bigger battery is top heavy.
@@jimbennett2795
I'll most certainly be able to, being street legal, I'd approach the bike more as a dual sport, I have lighter bikes and remember, I had the Alta with similar range so this won't be my first rodeo
@@ElectricCycleRider
Thanks for the correction on the battery on the Alta, sold it a while ago, my memory isn't what it used to be, thanks again for pointing that out
@@retrothruster2539 For sure! I meant that not to correct you, but in the sense that you are right, they are basically the same kWh. A difference of .1kWh doesn't really mean much on a bike of that power and size anyways. There are plenty more important factors to consider!
Grabbing the 🍿
I own the 2022 KTM Freeride exc and those range numbers are eerily similar.
Range is the biggest pain point for me but I’ve learned it’s better to measure “ride time” rather than “miles”. It’s mostly a trick of the mind I guess but I have 220V charger so after 1.5 (ish) hours of charging I can go back out.
@Joshua Guerra For sure. Range is the toughest part with electric dirt bikes. They're not the right tool for long distance rides but they are the right tool for keeping quiet(er) in areas where gas bikes aren't as welcomed. That is my opinion, at least.
@@ElectricCycleRider the main reason I'm considering getting one. I want to ride the trails and not piss off the hikers
@@TypicalGuy84 Just roost the hikers. Couple rocks to the face and they will learn not to yell at you anymore.
@@paulchilders9969 and then you go back next time and you're locked out for being a dick. That's how riding areas get closed down.
@@paulchilders9969 ah yes, criminal negligence and assault will fix your problems
I was hoping the singletrack range would be better than the dirt road test due to lower speeds. Range is decent but would be cutting it close for some of the loops I do. I"d like a solid 30mile range on singletrack. Hoping the Stark Varg's lighter weight, slightly bigger battery, and more advanced motor/controller design increase efficiency enough to hit 30 miles on singletrack.
pretty sure a giant rear sprocket would increase the range a bunch but yea still not huge
Slower speeds don’t necessarily give you more range with electric. Its a lot different than comparing a combustion motor at slower speeds with fuel consumption.
@@RichardAristarchovas larger rear sprocket will give less rotation compared to front to increase range you go smaller on the rear and up one on the front and the motor torque should cope quite well
@@michaelanderson3771 I'll bet you whatever you want to bet that larger sprocket will net range gains at low to mid speeds
Any further update on the storm bee and charging using a generator??
Interested on an update from this one
@Michael Anderson Here is a Storm Bee comparison and review update: czcams.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/video.html
The same issues as gas powered dirt bikes have gone. More power=more cost, less fun for the dollar. It also means much less range for electrics. Make it a “trail” bike with a smaller motor for longer range. But that makes for less “excitement” in the brochure.
I could never switch to an electric bike. They give me range anxiety. I'm fine with electric bicycles since you can still pedal with an empty battery.
Great video and a great reason to keep buying gas bikes. Electric will hopefully solve their terrible range issues in the near future.
Was gonna say this. So for me and my buddies who ride 30-45 miles of single track on the weekends these are pointless. I can ride all day on a full tank in my WR450. They look cool though just not practical yet.
My surron LBX gives me double the range in the forrest than on road. Max 50km/h because of tight terrain.
Also. If someone did the punching, you did. The tree just stood there. 😎
So once again, basically no increase in efficiency over the Freeride with a 3.88kwh battery in the single track environment... and probably worse handling due to the weight. Seems like a decent bike though. I feel like STARK might be the first ebike to see a jump in efficiency.
i'm still waiting for the electric hybrid with a 10cc-25cc or maybe even smaller gas generator, while this bike is very interesting i'm still holding onto my money for a bike with a primary electric propulsion and internal combustion range extender.
a micro gas turbine generator would be amazing.
Seems like the worst of both worlds. Your still burning gas, doubly complex, and it couldn’t keep up with normal riding unless it’s a full size gas engine.
@@ben3989 you don't understand. It's hybrid
my yamaha yz 125 2 stroke 2021 is way light weight and funny to ride
Are you interested to test Vector ebikes?
ouch! okay, it is a monster and hard terrain...
But ill maybe choose the ultra bee
i got a storm bee in germany and i have a 104V Battery why is there such a difference between a german one and a us storm bee?
This is preproduction
Im running way bigger tyres at lower pressure , range suffers a little but its transformed the bike, surron should ditch those csr tyres.
How did you come up with adding 12.5% range from a battery change of 4.3 to 5.7 kWh? That's 32% extra. The added range should be about 25%.
Sounds on par with the KTM Freeride E-XC. I am getting ~26miles for my weight and riding style Colorado Single Track.
When he did the same 100% to 10% single track range test, the Freeride only got 11.5 miles of range. So the Surron Storm is getting twice the range in his tests.
@@MrChadx1 don't know about his test but I routinely get 26 miles out of my KTM Freeride E-XC running Mode 3 out and Mode 2 back to the trail head.
@@lboughto No worries. I wasn't questioning if you got that range. I was just sharing what he gets on like track riding at like speed. The 11.5 miles I referenced was, however, the previous gen Freeride (and it was 3 years old at the time, so possibly some battery degradation) and it was at a very fast/hard riding pace.
czcams.com/video/WHiNB6-p2iM/video.html.
The new gen Freeride has a bigger battery. He another ride test, on a muddy track, but riding hard, to compare the new gen vs previous gen. On this test, he got 11.5 miles of range on the previous gen and 18 miles range on the new gen. czcams.com/video/cVn7WZg0j-M/video.html
I ride wimpy, so if you are getting 26 on the new gen, I'd probably get 30+ miles! Ha. That range would be good for about 1/5 of my rides. I currently have a Surron X and get 30+ miles riding very slow, mountain single track. Suspension is sub-bar and beats me up so that is about all I can ride if for anyway. Ha. Didn't want to dump a bunch of money into the suspension, so waiting for larger EV bike, but that gets a fair bit more than the 30+ of my Surron X, otherwise not worth the upgrade.
Thought that would be the Surron Storm, but a few years of delays on those and the Stark Varg was announced in the meantime, so I ordered one of those the first day. They just pushed back delivery dates on those, but will be worth the wait as the 6kwh battery (and it weighing 240 lbs) will surely give me at least as much slow trail riding range as my Surron X (about 2kWh battery, but 110lbs). I'm hoping I can squeeze at lease 40miles out of it. That will suffice for about 3/4 of all my rides (either slow single track or slow paced family rides). Will still need ICE on rides with buddies that are high speed trail riding or long distances.
I'd already have a Freeride if they were a solid 30+mile bike (and the charger was only 240v). Between the range tests on this channel and several other channels, it's just not enough for mountain trail riding. There are some other mountain tests in mode 1 from 100% to 0% that were 24 or 26 miles of range.
If KTM had an optional version with a 50% larger battery (I'm fine with the extra weight that would add), I'd have it already. I really like the frame size of the freeride for single track and trail riding.
KTM,
On the next Freeride redesign, please design so it will accommodate to battery sizes. A standard size and an extended range (6kWh or more) battery for longer trail riding distances. Then owners can decide if they value light weight or range more and option the bike battery accordingly. That alone would greatly expand your buyer pool.
Hasn’t this bike been available for years overseas. How is this not the production bike. New Zealand has been riding them since 2019 I thought
@L Ja I believe our "pre-production" bike is the same as the production bikes of Europe, Australia, NZ, etc. Don't ask me why. Different markets, different requirements, timeline, etc.
They should have been making CZcams content like our friend here!
Naw I’ll stick to my KTM 450 SX F until they get better range…it’s too many people not completing track runs because they ran out of battery & it’s still a long time to charge when out having fun(up to two hours) & don’t get me started with having to buy another battery
It's basically a total piece. Not worth our money or time at that price
So at 10% left on the battery, how did you get back to the vehicle that you towed it with?
Same way you do with only 10% of a gas tank left; Plan your ride so you are nearly back to your vehicle by the time your are down to 10%.
BarkBusters dude. Yeah I'd like a Storm bee but I'll wait until the range is better. 80km of gentle riding is just not enough.
What would you pick, Ktm storm bee, or zero??
@austin belanger 2/3 answer to your question here: czcams.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/video.html
Can't wait for electric dirt bikes to take over, but the range has to be double so they have some innovating to do.
160lbs? I'm assuming a more typical "murica" build around 200lbs would net quite a drop in range with the rider being such a substantial amount of the total weight.
What was the single track marathon range in hours?
@Catalin Fertu It came out to roughly 1 hour of ride time.
Realistic speed? ..... Brah you would kill me on this trail 🤣
how can it only go 26miles? my current bike is more massive and has 1.8kWh battery only and get 30-40miles range at low speed on road not offroad
Just a reality that modern 2 Strokes are better for any type of off road riding, especially hard enduro. If you need really lightweight bike, you can trail ride a 300 trials bike at 150lbs with all the range you need with an aux tank and a liter of gas in your pack. On a KTM XC, dry weight is 225 and you can ride for 4 hours at least on one tank. The brakes are amazing, the clutch is amazing, the suspension is dialed. Unfortunately, gas bikes are just better for now. KTM and the other 2 stroke brands have so much experience and R&D into the product, it's going to be hard to make a better bike. I hope they do but it's going to be hard.
@Grant Bowen The modern 2 strokes are amazing off road! Agree the gas bikes are better in certain scenarios but when you're wanting to keep noise down, have low maintenance and ride close to home (or power), the eMoto's are great.
Lol, "I got punched by that Tree" SMH! Lol
Dam, hope you iced that arm 😯
@Sebastien L. Haha, yeah, I got rocked pretty good on that one! Bruised up but all good 👍 I've hit that tree more times than I'd like to admit... 😆
@@ElectricCycleRider I'd cut that mother down! LOL
How is Sur Ron's warranty coverage? Has anyone here had a bike in for major warranty repairs? If so, please share your experience.
If you get a bad motor/controller, you'll need to fill a warranty form
Not sure what happens from there but most dealers are too lazy to help
you need hand guards on the storm bee - have them on mine - looks much better - even the ultra bee comes with them
The range and the charge times are what kill it for me. So what happens when you hit the trails and run all the charge out of the bike, do you have to go home and charge it, then wait until the next day to ride some more.
How long does it take to charge it from 10% back to 100%?
If you are telling me you can ride it on the trails for 2 hours, then you have to take it home and charge it overnight to ride it for 2 hours more the next day, I would say no thanks, I will get a gas engine bike, so I can ride it all day.
It's now for sale at $8.500 ish.
I think I'd rather hear an engine, that whirring sound would do my head in! Maybe sur ron can find a solution without adding too much weight, like putting a playing card in the spokes or something...
Damn you're light
Not there yet!
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I think it would be more meaningful to compare the range to fuel consumption on a petrol bike.
In other words 1 battery = xxx lts of fuel on a petrol bike riding the same track by the same rider.
How about doing hard enduro tracks?
How does it compare to a petrol bike?
Not too bad. Wake me up when the real thing gets here.
@SurRon Texas Haha, hopefully you won't be asleep for too much longer...
I’ve honestly given up. They could have handled this release so much better. Even if it came out tmrw I’m not sure I’m buying it anymore. Just bought 2 new Lightbees and I’ll wait for my Varg and a few other new projects I have going on. But I enjoy these videos and they’re lucky to have you doing them because they’re the source of 100% of my remaining interest.
Question, there is a sur ron on the site listed as $0.00, is this actually free or is it an error?
My bikes weigh around 250lbs., run a 100 volt system, with 6x100 volt pacs in each bike, with a 8,640 farad capacitor bank! building 2 new bikes now. A street legal super-moto, and a competition grade motocross machine. It should smoke the Sur Ron.
60 mi that's pretty good.
This thing is waaay too heavy. Ordered Arctic Leopard - same power and probably better range at under 80kg.
That range just isn’t going to cut it, that won’t even get me half way through most of our rides
Too bad about the range, my Zero FX 7.2 with my 240lbs get 50 miles range on street doing 55-85mph with full throttle take offs. It gets 1 percent per mile going
Looks like there is no way it will do a 15 mile race flat out!
25 miles on trails, just can't consider one of these as a primary bike, yet.
@deesine For sure, I will vouch that electric is a hard sell for your primary bike if you do a lot of riding. I still ride gas for the long rides but electric for certain scenarios.
I reckon the future is going to be hybrid bikes. Using a small engine to constantly charge a battery. Could make it even more powerful and give it awesome range while still keeping it light.
Wont happen, that would be way too heavy. Electric bikes are already significantly heavier than gas bikes. Hybrid bike would just be too heavy in almost all situations. A road hybrid bike might be a possibility but for sure not a dirt bike. Weight is a huge factor.
@@judgetbuzzard Yeah but where is that weight in an electric bike? Almost all of it is the battery. The actual motor and ESC are a tiny amount of the weight. A 50-100cc motor with alternator is going to weigh about the same if not less than the 'light' 20-25lb battery even a surron light bee carries.
You could have the torque and simpler transmission of electric with the ease of maintanence and reliability of a 'generator' type combustion engine and it wouldn't weigh more. If anything you could get it to weigh less.
@@jessejuliano8056 I'm a licensed automotive technician. I have been working with motorcycles and cars my whole life, I'm telling you a hybrid dirt bike would not work... at all. It would be too heavy, too complex and too expensive. If a hybrid dirt bike was an actual, legitimate consideration for motorcycle companies, they would have made one by now... and they have not, they have not even considered a hybrid motorcycle to be mass produced, because it does not work.
Sorry but why would you get this heavy bike when the Stark is coming and Electric Motions already exist? All of these electric motorcycles need a real clutch for traction in gnarly terrain, period. I'm pretty sure the Electric Cycle Rider would agree.
The models that have been released in Australia have a 90V 48Ah battery...A bigger battery would be desirable...Those figures aren't exactly "enduro" quality.
Hi electric cycle Rider, I got a Message today from your Account that I won a sur ron. I don't know If you got hacked or something else but it looked Like a scam to get some datas of me. Just for your Info. After I asked the Dude If he can send me a picture of him with my Name on a paper he was like "okay If you think it's a scam you can forfeit"
@FindYourSelf Thanks for the note on this. It's not from our account, they're using the ECR logo and creating a bogus username that says something like "Telegram us at..." . I've spent the last couple of weeks reporting these scammers to CZcams and I've finally got it under control. Apologies for that, it's been super frustrating on our end. If we ever do a giveaway like that, it would be mentioned in the video and in the description.
@@ElectricCycleRider yeah thats what I thought too. Your Welcome hope you get them banned. Maybe it's also good to let ur Community know this with a post or so cause for the first moment this dudes got me 😄
So prob about 1hr ride time either way
The range just is not enough for a dual sport
I agree My Dr 350 weighs in at 287 and the weight is lower on the bike it also gets 70mpg cruising the back roads. Been riding it 27 years not a screw turned on it in all that time. 34K miles
That thing weighs more than a DR350 that weighs in at 287lbs