David Bowie's Personal Crisis: Low
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INFO: Bowie has warmed the hearts of millions of music lovers across the entire world. But despite spreading so much inspiration and positivity, Bowie faced a fair share of tribulations and hardships. In 76 in particular he was going through a personal crisis. He had just released two critically acclaimed albums. The money poured in but Bowie only got pocket change because of his manager’s uneven share. During the years of the mid 70s he also got addicted to cocaine, but kept on working with music as if nothing had happened. He was losing weight , sleep and almost his sanity. In this video we’ll take a closer look at how he managed to resolve this personal crisis by making his first album Berlin, Germany - Low.
Inspirations:
Polyphonic ➜ bit.ly/358Y2CZ
Andrei Tarbea ➜ bit.ly/2srDf0n
What artists should i talk about in my next video? 😃
Dream Theater
Rush
Maiden
Matchbox Twenty
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Frank Zappa
Yes
A Perfect Circle
Tool
TesseracT
Richard Ashcroft/The Verve
Noel Gallagher/Oasis
Radiohead
Avicii
Creed
Disturbed
Ghost
Linkin Park
Marilyn Manson
Pantera
Prince
R.E.M.
Smashing Pumpkins
Van Halen
Rem
Brian Eno
Talk about black midi
Queen
Nirvana
Guns N Roses
Frank Zappa
The Beatles
The Who
Bob Marley
Pink Floyd
Linkin Park
Metallica
AC DC
U2
The Beach Boys
The Rolling Stones
Low, Heroes and Lodger is known as the Berlin Trilogy. Listen to them together.
Lodger is like that one pie that looks different from the rest but still tastes amazing
@@portrailblazers12 He got musicians to play instruments which weren't theirs, amongst other things. Listen to "Boys Keep Swinging". He just never stopped experimenting...
...except for the middle 80's, when he kinda lost it, but he regretted that and went back to being him. Amazing musician. His last album was incredible.
@@RoPiDe Yes
Dude. This album is literally my favourite album of all time and you're one of my favourite music youtubers out there. This is the perfect way to start the decade! Happy new year man.
That's very kind of you Ivan. Hope you have a great 2020!
art decade
You fucked us and caused corona
Nice me too
I can’t praise this album enough
Hey lie i am so greatful that you begin this year with a bowie video. He is my absolute favourite thank you so much i lie i cant ask for more. -brokunas
No worries. I love Bowie's music and history. And so starting with a video about him is a treat. Thanks for always coming early for the videos.
@@LieLikesMusic hope this year will be awesommeeee cant wait to see ur upcoming vids
I agree with you as well.
LOW was the album that put keyboards into the hands of the punks. No LOW: no Post-Punk, no Darkwave, no 80s UK SynthPop, no Industrial, no Depeche Mode.
HPMcQueen No Gary Numan either, who went on to become the “king” and progenitor of synth pop in a lot of ways. But I agree. Low is way more influential than people give it credit for. It was also the start of “that” snare sound.
Also let’s not forget Kraftwerk, either. They were equally as influential to those genres as Bowie, I’d say. Maybe without the inner darkness, though.
Can’t forget YMO either
Hell, "Warszawa" was even the original namesake of Joy Division-- Warsaw-- before they changed the name due to it having already been taken.
@David Clinging darkwave is basically goth music, it shares alot of elements with post punk and synth pop
Not true. Brian Eno (who produced Low) was both a glam rocker (he was in Roxy Music) and a synth guy, and he'd have been the one to midwife the post punk, with or without Bowie.
Listened to Low for the first time sick in bed recovering from surgery. It became my favorite album.
Iggy and Bowie were the best combo ever
For sure. Have you listened to the thing Josh Homme (qotsa) and Iggy did in 2016? Post Pop Depression was a great collab too imo.
Lie Likes Music Post Pop Depression was a diamond that came out of nowhere for me. I had no idea about it and suddenly in dropped on the shelves one day and I was like “oh shit! What an all star collaboration”. I still think it’s up there with The Idiot and Lust for Life. Spectacular album.
@@PublicEnemyMinusOne It had some great songs! Some are still growing on me. Hopefully i'll come to like it just as much as the Them Crooked Vultures album.
Lie Likes Music when you get to the bottom you’re near the top. The shit turns into chocolate drops
Finally some appreciation for Iggy Pop!
One of my favorite stories about Low - “At the forefront of Low's sound was Visconti's recent acquisition: an Eventide H910 Harmonizer. When Bowie asked what it did, Visconti replied, *it fucks with the fabric of time*
Hahaha, that gets me so good! because it’s true! The sound of Low was so ahead of its time!
Yeah i've heard that quote before haha. Great stuff! I don't know if it's the Eventide that's doing it. But the drums on both Low and The Idiot sound really unique at times. They sound sampled and oddly mixed in with the rest of the music. It reminds me of industrial rock and metal (Nine Inch Nails). In short, it's by all means ahead of its time.
Lie Likes Music I could be wrong, but I remember Trent Reznor citing Low as one of his biggest inspirations when recording Downward Spiral. But I agree, the drum sounds in particular of The Idiot and Low, definitely created the blue prints for future post punk bands.
No it was not. Bowie lived in Germany then and he listened and attended concerts in the Electronic synth Music scene. Such as CAN
TANGERINE DREAM
KRAFTWERK.
He RIPPED off everybody and Im smart enough to recognise that.
Haha! Excellent 👍
thanks for sharing. I've included in my anniversary write up on Low. Enjoy stevepafford.com/sv2020/
Low and Heroes broke the sound barrier and are Sonic jewels. I would love to hear your thoughts on Lodger. The forgotten masterpiece and criminally underrated treasure of the Berlin Trilogy.
Lodger suffers sonically...I think Tony Visconti said as much.
@@stephenbrown7545 Lodger is not perfect but I would still say that it is one of David Bowie's masterworks. It's also his next to last truly great work with the finale being Scary Monsters and Super Creeps
@@scottfree2248 Agreed.
@@holdenhush4682 I have read that Bowie considered The Buddha of Suburbia his favourite of his own albums. Obviously this point of view could change over time.
@@holdenhush4682 Personally I like Low, Heroes and Lodger in that order. Bowie though is without doubt the best British artist of all time (I say subjectively but with a passion).
My all time favorite Bowie album. Got a poster for it for Christmas!
Thank you for this.
Got a CD copy of Low earlier last month, and it's a haunting album to listen to. Nice to see a video explaining the background behind it in such vivid detail.
"Low" is my third favourite album from David. Right behind "Station To Station" and, at the top, "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars".
I like your top three. Not quite the same as mine (except for the top choice) but a very good selection.
@@davidcopson5800 Thanks, man!
Your order is my order! And I would put Blackstar as my fourth.
Low is one of my favorite albums of all time. True masterpiece. Glad to find this video.
3:43 bowies 'warszawa' sounded different when i was listening to it at night while driving through warsaw. that feeling was something different. i never felt like that before and i never felt like that again. i forgot about everything. i was born in this city and it still felt like its my first time in it. thanks for this video!
zulta kwiatkera That sounds like one of those 'once in a lifetime' experiences you have with music. Thanks for sharing that. I guess Bowie's music means a lot to both of us.
@@LieLikesMusic i really hope ill experience this feeling again. peave and love to u
Weird. I was 12 when this album came out. After listening to it a few times I was so confused that I went to the roof of our house -- no idea why -- and just stared at my very average American neighborhood, like I never saw it before. Low has a way of making you feel like an alien in a very deep sense. Still my most sacred sort of album to return to every few years. An endlessly mysterious work of art.
@@carlodave9 bowies songs are those that make you go away to different place with no problems, just you and your thoughts. thats what i love about bowies music and whole album. every bowies 'area' was a different place. i think low is my favorite
I love that you have made this video. When it comes down to David Bowie and Queen, I always have time and a great spot in my heart to fill up with just them.
Happy new year! :) I have a feeling 2020 is gonna be a great year. 2019 had a lot of ups and downs for me, but i'm determined to do some awesome stuff with the channel in the coming year. Wish you the best.
Happy new year Man !
All the best for 2020 mate. Keep up the videos
Anyone out there wanting to go into music professionally really needs to get at least a taste for accounting and management; people will rip off what they can from you without any guilt or conscience. Good luck!
In my opinion, Low is Bowie's masterpiece in a career strewn with excellence. He was a tremendous collaborator and employed the talents of others like Ronson, Alomar, Eno, Fripp, Rogers, and others to great effect, not least of all on Low with Eno, Alomar and Gardiner.
One of the most iconic , influential albums ever. Side 2 is almost entirely instrumental. RCA was not pleased ! The kids were , especially Duran Duran !
Oh they were inspired by this album? Cool
@@LieLikesMusic Especially on their debut.
@@davidellis5141 I'm gonna have to give it a listen then.
Agreed! Heroes used the same format, and while not quite as good, is very very close. V2 Schneider is one of my favorite Bowie songs ever. Low just has that something special. It’s rare when you can feel the creativity and artistry of an album bursting through it like that.
Bowie is far and away my favorite artist ever. Thank you for doing him justice with an amazing video! Love your content, as always.
BOWIEEE!
Thanks for uploading!
You've interpreted the Low album in ways I've never even thought of!
Hell yeah! I'm happy you found it interesting.
He went to his home planet 🥰
Low is decisively one of my favorite Bowie's albums
Low is my favorite album and I’m so glad it got covered like this oml
Dude, u shoudl've talked about his last album from that era, Lodger. It was so nice as well.
I got into David Bowie through his commercial pop hits like Let's Dance, then I took a class called Rock Mythologies, and the teacher was a big Bowie fan, and part of the class was exploring his multiple personas, artistic periods, stage performances, career. The final exam even was on one of his music videos.
i always liked low but I could never understand why it got all the praise it did, and I also always wondered why he stopped with the characters for this album.
This helped clearing things up ALOT. Instant sub
Thanks Daniel! Glad you got something from this. Anything you want to see in a future video?
It’s good to live in Warsaw and listening to that song. Such a beautiful combination of the two.
Absolutely love how in depth this is, musician and huge Bowie fan, Cheers!
Low is my favorite Bowie album.
Bowie's manager was tony defries NOT michael lippman
Exactly..... this guy knows nothing about David.....
@@diamonddog257 Agreed..... this guy knows nothing about David.....
@Lisa M David finally had the revelation to manage himself , since 40 years ago;
- but he was too syko/deranged to do this , .... before then.
He struggled cause he wasnt made for this world...
My favourite Bowie album and I love the Berlin trilogy. Low is one of my top 25 fav albums of all time.
When Bowie lived in Berlin, he hung out with Tangerine Dream a lot. They helped him get off the drugs. His favourite album at the time was Edgar Froese's solo album "Epsilon In Malaysian Pale".
You should look into the Bowie black star bootleg and other bootlegs it is said that Bowie Willy wonkaed us all and he sprinkled hidden bootlegs with hidden esoteric meanings I’m so psyched to look into it more
Got any links?
Provide link pls
all i know is that song, the one beginning with the eclipse in the cave, most terrifying shit ever. because it directly ties to my actual experiences and the villyrs are real. and more. id get into it but noone could believe this shit. its terrifying to find as a song standalone, but with the video, the shit that it is talking about, real real shit. how could HE have known of certain things?¿ i dont know besides somethin terrible. unless we both walk the dead. i dont eat or sleep either. but that video is not drug induced paranoia. (sorry i talk so much people)
I wish i had a link but I found out about it from a reddit thread and I looked up the song on CZcams but i couldn’t find the whole bootleg on CZcams and I honestly can’t figure out how to link the video or reddit thread I’m trying to figure it out sorry.
I want to seriously thank you for making this video. I been a huge David Bowie fan. I often see people's enthusiasm and high praises, and feel like I'm not hearing something or even feeling something. I must say reading the comments from some of these great Bowie fans, lot of stuff makes so much more sense and the comments are so uplifting. I know personally have a whole different life cause of Bowie and the things ive learned, seen and especially heard helped me. I will be giving this so many more listens.
Thank you all the commenters. Tou guys are hardcore and so much energy is missing now that David Bowie passed on.
Great Video! Low is one of the most revolutionizing records in my life.
Excellent job! Great analysis on this classic record.
Is it possible that David was a master of the media. And he helped the listener too interpret the correct emotions too respond to his music. Van Morrison was often asked about emotional state after people listened to his music. But quite often these songs were written years b4 recording. Invoking emotions is not feeling them David was beyond normal human consumption of art. Perhaps we only understand what he wants us too he is beyond us.
Yet another solid video. Happy new year!
Thanks. Is that profile pic from a game called Medievil?
Lie Likes Music No, it’s actually a closeup of my maker’s mark. I make knives and random blacksmithing and woodworking objects.
@@austindorf83 Oh it looked so similar. That's quite an interesting job!
I also just wanted to comment, along with fantastic, educational and in-depth content ❤️, but the animation was superb. Kudos to all the hard work :)
Thanks! I'm happy you're seeing all the hard work that went into this. Cheers
I miss bowie
I have a music midterm on bowie tomorrow and this was so helpful thanks!
Wonderfu! As a long time devotee of Mr.Jones,(He changed my life profoundly) new insights into this amazing Man are most welcome! Well done😊 Thank you so very much❤️
i had no idea
super interesting!
Glad you liked it.
Hey thank you for doing this album. It is my favorite album Bowie ever made.
"discovered Bowie in 2010..." jesus, you're young
Fuck. It was 1987 for me, and even that was late...and his worst period. Thank God for his back catalogue. It changed my life.
I discovered him in... 2019😂
But now he is such a big part of my life, he’s amazing
J Falcon 2019 as well, Space Oddity and Blackstar did it for me
I have heard about him since the 2000s but only became a fan after 2018.
t h i s y e a r f o r m e . . .
Discovered Bowie in 2010? I'm old.
It was great to be there in 1972 when Ziggy broke. And I am old!
@@davidcopson5800 You lucky bugger. I found him in 87 and feel like a newbie, lol
I LOVE your little caricatures of various musicians -- they're so simple, but they really capture something of the spirit/personality of each person, at least for me...
That's very kind of you. I'm glad you liked the video. And there's more coming soon, so stay tuned.
I just wanted to thank you real quick because I’m doing an NHD project on David Bowie and this video helped me to think more widely on what needs to be talked about. If possible, could I have your sources? Thanks! ❤️
Thank You. Well done 👍🏽
loved this
Really great video man, do you have any recommendations for books about Bowie?
Lie, I am in love with your voice
i am happy that he never gave up
This video came out in the perfect time because i just got assigned a video mino documentary project and i choose Bowie
I also discovered Bowie through a video game when I was like around 9 and it was the song "Let's Dance"
And then in summer of 2019 I really got into his music and still continue to add more of his songs to my playlist
Excellent, I adore the Berlin Trilogy!
Same. Or at least the first two. Haven't checked out Lodger yet.
It’s the hardest one to get into, usually it’s the least favorite of most people in the trilogy.
@@Aya_02571 Yes i've heard that. And it's probably why i've always put off listening to it.
@@LieLikesMusic It's my favourite of the trilogy personally. Maybe even my favourite Bowie album overall
@@LieLikesMusic It's got some of his more experimental work on it - including getting people to play instruments not theirs - but it's the clearest; , furthest away from coke; and perhaps thus his most original thus far to that date.
Please enjoy. As you obviously know, he always did have new gifts to deliver :-)
I'm 26 and I'm a music freak and enthusiast since 9 years old. From heavy metal to electronic music I've listened to everything. And yet, with a little bit of shame I must say I discovered bowie last year. I listened to most of his records since then, and to this day I still discover new things in most of them. And actually, Low became one of my favorites, if not my favorite (that can change depending the season). I love this channel and I love the fact that you've made a video about low. Every Bowie album is a different universe, universes that are worth dive into, finally I understand it...
The Orange colour on the back on the vinyl is beautiful
Subterraneans is probably my favourite piece of music of all times. The multiple layers of backward instruments, synthpads, Bowie's melancholic sax solo and his gorgeous gregorian-type low backing vocals. But the whole album is a true masterpiece!
Just got the notification. Noice video!
I'm glad you almost said that you are surmising on behalf of another person.
Love this! Can never have enough Bowie videos. The man was the greatest artist of the last 100 years. One of the very rare artists who was artistically viable for over 40 years. His final two albums - The Next Day (2013) and Blackstar (2016) - are stunning. Very difficult to do after already releasing 20+ albums - most of them masterpieces.
Great comment. You were a very good tennis player (?!)
What a fantastic, fantastic album
Yes. Imagine listening to this back in 1977!
Lie Likes Music mind blowing! Thanks for this video 👌🏽
Great video! Thanks and hail Bowie!
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Love the opening track, "Speed Of Life."
my favorite Bowie record of all time!
This video was beautiful. This is one of Bowie's most fascinating eras imo and you covered it perfectly. Don't feel bad for discovering through Alan Wake because that game has a lot of great songs. I also discovered Dead Combo and a fantastic artist from the 90s called Poe playing Alan Wake on my 360. Poe only released 2 albums, but they are both fantastic.
Surprised by the fact that you didn´t mention NEU!, La Düsseldorf, Harmonia or any of the Krautrock bands that more or less pioneered the style that influenced both Bowie and Eno while they were staying in Berlin. Great video regardless!
Yea but its a short video so impossible to fit every detail on it. I personally hear the harmonia influence way more than neu tho but eno really took it to another level with low
this was brilliant
Thanks!
lol I've discovered Bowie while watching the doctor who spinoff "Torchwood" and hearing Starman 💀
great video
Great video! Bowie is the MAN! Period. I will not give you a hard time for discovering Bowie in a game. His music can hook you in many ways. I love the Eno aspect you included. You should do an Eno video some time
Also, one of my favorite albums. The Berlin trilogy is his opus in my opinion
“The last straw” refers to the proverbial straw which “broke the camel’s back”. It is not related to drawing the short straw.
This was a great time in Bowie’s career. I was in grade school and did not become truly aware of Bowie and his amazing talent and genius until shortly before Let’s Dance. But I look back and there is so much to listen to. I remember in the nineties it was actually not the coolest thing to listen to Bowie. It has come full circle, however and he is finally appreciated on a wide scale as he should be.
One question, wasn’t Tony Defries the manager in the late seventies who took his profits? I think you mentioned another name. You may be accurate but it confused me.
All ready for the 50th anniversary of Bowie’s best works
There are some things to know though. David and Iggy met for the first time in the early 70s in New York and Bowie had already produced an album for Iggy Pop and the Stooges in 1973 (Raw Power) in London when he reached success with Ziggy Stardust and could afford to do it. In 1977 he produced (and wrote almost all the music) of the first Iggy Pop solo album The Idiot that was recorded (like Low) mostly in France and then completed in Berlin. That's the reason The Idiot is so different from previous Iggy albums and if you listen to it you can already hear something similar in terms of sounds and vibe to what he did on Low which made me think the influence of Brian Eno on Low and Heroes is important but not so important like most people think (since Eno wasn't involved in any capacity in that album). Then he produced another album for Iggy the same year Lust for life which instead is more Iggy and you can hear that. Basically Bowie wrote and produced in 1977 four albums.Heroes was recorded in Berlin and the third album of the trilogy The Lodger (without Eno) was recorded in Switzerland since Bowie had just bought a house there.
About the way Bowie wrote lyrics he wasn't inspired by working with Iggy he always wrote the lyrics on the fly and often at the last minute that's something all the people who worked with him in the studio have said and from 1974 he used often the cut-out technique (invented by writers like William Burroughs in the 50s) which consisted in writing something or taking a piece of an article for instance cut it in pieces and then putting together the pieces in interesting ways. In the 90s he had a computer program made for him that did just that.
I could say more but I already wrote an essay sorry lol.
Bowie ❤
He fired Tony DeFries
Awesome video. Would like to add that not only did bowie present music for TMWFTE, he was actually so far out of it he didn't realize that no one even asked him to write music for the film. If I remember correctly they had already hired somebody else while Bowie was writing.
Low is an amazing album just ordered the record vinyl cant wait to spin it 💜
Nice video. I never would have expect that a guy of your age can do such deeply analysis about a matter that has long gone.
You discovered Bowie 2010 by hearing a song older than 40 years at that time. Great!!
I aggree pretty well to what you`ve mentioned in this video. A year and a half before he started the "Berlin-Aerea" he was in Soul Music. But there he had a more "outsided" point of view , simulating "Soulmusic". Low comes totally from the inside and doing so it expresses more "soul" than any other Bowie album.
When talking about Bowie’s method acting going too far:
The thin white duke’s existence contributed greatly to Bowie’s cocaine addiction, as well as seeping into his identity. I’m an interview he dressed as the thin white duke, and said that hitler was the first rockstar.
I love this video
The singing on Warszawa comes from Polish folk songs. Search for :"Śląsk - Helokanie" on CZcams. I cant seem to post links.
I believe Bowie and or Eno suggested that it sounded like or reminded them of Polish folk music, but I'm not sure it 'comes from' Polish music. I believe Bowie makes reference to the tonal influence being linked to the bleak atmosphere he felt in Warsaw.
@@davidcopson5800 Search and listen to the vid i recommended...you'll change your mind.
@@mana3735 I'll try and find it.
czcams.com/video/WPAOkWDxz7U/video.html
@@escrivaninhadepapelao7905 Thank you, Escrivaninha de Papelão.
Recently I watched the film Beside Bowie, which is the story of David Bowie and Mick Ronson (Ziggy Stardust era). I highly recommend it and with Prime I believe it's free to watch. Also his final music video Lazarus, is just chilling, moving, shocking and genius.
Oh i might check that out. Would love to know more about the early years and his rise to fame.
Having purchase each Bowie album, beginning with Space Oddity, at the time each album was released, it is very weird listening to this video.
Funny how i found out bowie when i search for Character design were based on Metal Gear Solid
Wut? I had no idea. Thanks for sharing that
In 1975, Bowie' lawyer was Michael Lippman; his former manager was Tony DeFries.
Huh?
Yaaas more Bowie ! ❤️
I really liked Your video
I was late to the party to. I got here on his birthday 2020.
Low was written at his low point musically and he dropped from sight to start over. No one seems to notice the play on words and image on the cover. The album isn't titled "Low". Look at the cover, "David Bowing Low" and then a picture of his profile. The album is actually titled, according to the man himself, "David Bowie - Low Profile" It's been glaring at you the whole time.
I recognize those mouth animations. Are you using Andrei's assets?
First time I found about david Bowie was around 6 from watching my still fav film labyrinth I always watched it at my nanas house
The work Bowie did with Brian Eno was some of his best. The Berlin trilogy are absolute musical brilliance.
To put in perspective how much of a dark place Bowie was in, I'll share this bit of story:
"One night, Iggy sat in the passenger seat as Bowie rammed their dealer’s car again and again, for five crazed minutes. He then drove around their hotel’s underground car park, pushing 70mph, screaming above the screech of the tyres that he wanted to end it all by driving into a concrete wall. Until his car ran out of fuel and the two friends collapsed in hysterics."
It's really hard reading that he was so lost in pain that he even considered ending it all.
This was no doubt the inspiration for Iggy's 'The Passenger'!
David was honestly a very very shy person. He seems to have self anxiety a lot too. So when he first got into music he had so many personalities because it made him feel more out of his skin.
A broken nose Mogul are you, one of those new wave boys. it's the same old thing, in brand new drag, comes Sweeping in oh no.
"Scary Monsters..." will always be my favorite Bowie album. :D
Although his Berlin Trilogy are Masterworks all on their own.
Scary Monsters is pretty good too. Although i personally like this better. I've never heard anything quite like these albums.
@@LieLikesMusic I would say that every one of bowies albums through the 60 70s and 80s had something entirely unique to him that you wouldn't have heard in a mainstream album before it. But low in particular along with the entirety of the Berlin trilogy do stand out in that regard.
Great video by the way. :)
@@Ziggy_Rotten You gotta give the 90's and everything after a chance, I swear there's so many gems that almost nobody talks about.
@@Klui_ Which one is your favorite?
I've listened to a few from the 90s and it just didn't hit my soul as much as the 70s and 80s Bowie did.
But if you'll recommend to me your favorite 90's/00's album I'll listen to it tonight.
Thank you regardless though.
@@Ziggy_Rotten I gotta go with Outside and Heathen (not counting Blackstar, that's on a whole nother level).
Outside was Bowie and Eno's final masterpiece, a concept album about the murder of a girl during New Year's eve, and the investigation of said murder. The music is so unique and experimental. Maybe the Segues can be off putting, but they show Bowie's capability to create and impersonate entire different characters. It's beautiful.
Heathen on the other side is more down to earth, but it still is great. The album has many themes, like mortality or faith, light and darkness. It feels like a father to Blackstar, having ideas that would be later used during Bowie's last work. And the music? Fantastic, very emotional at a times, very over the top at others. It's a fun album
ENO was already working with Cluster Moebius and Conny Planck in Düsseldorf with Moebius before working with Bowie