There is no kind of music suitable for this atmosphere, except the music of Bach ، he has the highest emotional anglic feelings ever, that he could transfare his feelings in to a holy music , and this bach fantasia was the best opion to be played , rip queen elizabith
It’s really difficult to think of another organ work - or any piece for that matter - more fitting than the c minor fantasia. It is solemn, but not sad; it encourages us with moments of a kind of divine light which JSB surely intended. It’s deeply human/personal and yet, gives us a greater sense of the transition of power, the engines of state beginning to churn… not forgetting, not grieving solely for the great personal loss, but the magnitude and splendour of transition taking place. And, as always with JSB, no monarch, no pauper, no person in between, is not subject so obviously to God. Im an atheist but music like this IS divine.
@@bradyredding1964 spot on! Don’t know why i say this - but - feels like she shoulda had that as her procession “in” music! Virgil Fox version woulda NAILED it🙂
It´s true- there couldn´t be possibly another piece of music more fitting for this occasion than Bach´s C-Minor Fantasia. This is my favourite organ work of Bach. It has a kind of metaphysical dimension that is pointing directly towards God. This music is one of the strongest pieces of evidence we have that man cannot be simply the random outcome of random processes. There must be more than that- meaning, value and beauty. And nothing conveys this better than this Fantasia. Great, splendid performance of the organist, although the interpretation of Helmut Walcha remains for me the unreached standard for a lifetime
@@peterming The tempo was also chosen to time deliberately with the arrival of Her Late Majesty at the West doors of the Abbey. However the delay of around 1 minute earlier in the proceedings prevented this from happening. As it is, everything in the service was choreographed to the last minute. The English have a particular penchant for this sort of thing.
@@OrganistWorcestershire He was right: first the organist plays the Fantasia BWV 562, but from 8:14 onwards he plays the first movement of Elgar's Organ Sonata. Stefan asked for the last piece he plays, not the first one.
But.... if you had been one of the greatest musicians who ever existed, and in particular the greatest of the Baroque period together with a certain fellow countryman of yours... ... and you were buried in Westminster Abbey because you are recognized as the greatest composer-servant of the crown, and at the funeral of one of the longest-lived and most important queens to have ever existed, seen worldwide by more than 4 billion people (instead than 4 London cats from the 18th century)... ... for the release of the royal coffin, is played a piece composed instead by your other countryman who , unlike you, it remained in provincial churches were enough for him and he remained there in his countryside doing cantatas for Sunday.... Wouldn't that make you dizzy???
@@Vindebyvej Probably the organists chose the music for both services in agreement with the team that planned the funeral ceremonies. Queen Elizabeth wasn't known to be very interested in music, art, literature, etc. She preferred an outdoor life in her free time, with horses and dogs.
@@brendavanderford2029 He just talks about the music played at the Queen's funeral and committal service and mentions various British composers who wrote music for different royal occasions. But he never says that the Queen was a great music-lover. I don't believe she was. King Charles on the other hand, is artistic, and has wide cultural interests. He paints (so did Prince Philip), likes opera and classical music, played the cello when he was young etc.
I'm guessing you don't listen to much organ music then. This is a beautiful piece by the master of the organ, and was completely appropriate for this occasion.
I don't really know what to say but it's just so disappointing to see that the majority of Bach's work is either "that wedding song" or "spooky horror music". His work were lightyears ahead of his contemporaries, drawing from the older Baroque composers and really perfecting the art of counterpoint. Just sad that he's reduced to "le spooky organ song"
@@baroque4days It's tragic. I saw an online article the other day compiling all the negative things people were saying about this piece/performance. I couldn't believe it. I have come to the conclusion that organ music is simply an acquired taste, and that it requires fairly acute listening to really appreciate how beautiful and complex it is.
@@tobinluto to be honest, I think that's the case for Baroque music in general. Most really don't know what to listen for. I think it kinda takes a little bit of musical understanding to get why counterpoint is so impressive. All I can say is, trying to commit myself to writing baroque is difficult. You need to really hear roughly how the 4 voices will be moving in your head and then use the rules of counterpoint to make it fit. Apart from a lack of appreciation for the compositions themselves, the instrument, in particular, is very unfairly treated. Most people only really know of the tutti sounds an organ can produce but few people know about the wonderful little sounds you can make. Hearing pieces performed which use different stops throughout is always a joy. The flute stop is definitely one of my favourite sounds.
@@baroque4days Agreed. The Abbey organ is also quite good for playing Bach. In the 1980s rebuild of the instrument the late Simon Preston who was at the time Organist and Master of the Choristers deliberately chose neo-classical additions to the instrument, which has helped a great deal in achieving this aim. One of the improvements was the addition of a separate and independent flue chorus on the Pedal organ, and also the revoicing of the reeds on both the Great and Pedal, to result in the effect you can hear in the voluntary here. As you say many people fail to appreciate the huge complexities of a large church organ, and in the case of the Abbey organ a very large instrument placed in an intriguing position on both sides of the Quire screen. I think it is such a shame that a superb performance such as this by Peter Holder on a truly magnificent instrument should be derided. That simply shows ignorance, and there is no excuse for it.
Music composed by Johann Sebastian Bach played on a English organ sounds awful . I don’t can hear what a kind of music is playing. I have the music composed for organ by Johann Sebastian several Recording on Vinyl and CD I Prefer German and Dutch organs specifically German organ’s build in Eastern Germany by Gottfried Silbermann especially of the Cathedral in Freiburg which’s I have hear live at a special Bach round trip in the former German Democratic Republic in 1985 . Special for the 300 years of the birth of Bach. I have heard all organ’s where Bach had a function of organist or had advised Silbermann for the construction of a organ and where he mostly gave a inauguration concert. 😢
Sounds as though you'd only enjoy Liszt's music on Liszt's piano too. I think your bias is preventing you from enjoying a lot of great performances by great organists on great, albeit different, organs.
I do understand your point - tho i would argue that the Abbey organ can handle JSB perfectly well. But that is to miss the point i reckon: NO other piece could have done justice to the solemnity (NOT sadness alone) of the occasion and what it meant for transition of power. JSB recognised only one power, and it was bigger than the Queen of England
Might it be possible for you to give a recital of this piece on an organ somewhere? I'm sure we would all be interested in learning how it should sound. I'm afraid it sounded fine to me, and I do like to learn.
@@michaelmontagu3979 Sorry I can’t play organ have had lessons but I’m left handed so it was impossible for me to get the right handed section. But I have been a singer from the age of 5 years old. I have more than 1,000 records of organ music and I have recorded organ music from several old organs of the 18th century and later. In 1985 a made a trip of the 300 birthday of Johann Sebastian Bach to the former G.D.R. The D.D.R and have heard all the organs on with Bach had played the Gottfried Silbermann Organs . Who was a friend of Bach and Bach advised which register should be made for the new build organ which would be appropriate to the size of the church. So I have knowledge enough of organs. Books of organ building. It is the turning of a organ. Bach composed all his organ works in German middle wage vote and English organs have tuned different. Buy a book how to build a organ. if you have an iPhone and a subscription for Apple Music, you can put all organ music by Johann Sebastian Bach in Apple Lossless high resolution on your iPhone, so you will hear the difference between organs in German mean tone tuning and English organs that be in a mood for English music with one higher pressure to the pipes.
Here are my thoughts: "Who had the idea of putting FAKE flowers on Elizabeth II's coffin?! Please! And also that Bach music is too dramatic, she died at 96 for God's sakes, it's only normal! Put on a more cheerful music! Let's celebrate the Queen's life, and cheer for King Charles' arrival!"
What do you suggest then? A band playing The Dashing White Sergeant? And the royals getting up and dancing out of the Abbey behind the coffin? Litttle Prince George swearing under his breath like the funeral scene in "Fanny & Alexander"? Surrealistic, I must say!
this shows how powerful bachs music is.
Can we just give a shout out to the organ master. WOW.
Shout out to Sebastian Bach
There is no kind of music suitable for this atmosphere, except the music of Bach ، he has the highest emotional anglic feelings ever, that he could transfare his feelings in to a holy music , and this bach fantasia was the best opion to be played , rip queen elizabith
It’s really difficult to think of another organ work - or any piece for that matter - more fitting than the c minor fantasia. It is solemn, but not sad; it encourages us with moments of a kind of divine light which JSB surely intended. It’s deeply human/personal and yet, gives us a greater sense of the transition of power, the engines of state beginning to churn… not forgetting, not grieving solely for the great personal loss, but the magnitude and splendour of transition taking place. And, as always with JSB, no monarch, no pauper, no person in between, is not subject so obviously to God. Im an atheist but music like this IS divine.
Perhaps Jsb “komm süsser tod”?
@@bradyredding1964 spot on! Don’t know why i say this - but - feels like she shoulda had that as her procession “in” music! Virgil Fox version woulda NAILED it🙂
I liked Bach's St. Anne at the end of the Queen Mother's funeral in 2002. I had it played at my wife's funeral in 2020.
@@michaelmontagu3979 It's a beautiful piece, but a bit joyous for a funeral, I think. Just my opinion.
@@johnforsbergbarrett923 Uplifting perhaps, rather than joyful.
Sehr schön. Johann Sebastian Bach. Aus seiner Zeit in Köthen. Am Ende den Schluss sehr gut ausgespielt. 👍
Ich liebe es... ich habe es 17jährig bei meiner C-Prüfung gespielt... auch schon wieder 40 Jahre her.
It´s true- there couldn´t be possibly another piece of music more fitting for this occasion than Bach´s C-Minor Fantasia. This is my favourite organ work of Bach. It has a kind of metaphysical dimension that is pointing directly towards God. This music is one of the strongest pieces of evidence we have that man cannot be simply the random outcome of random processes. There must be more than that- meaning, value and beauty. And nothing conveys this better than this Fantasia. Great, splendid performance of the organist, although the interpretation of Helmut Walcha remains for me the unreached standard for a lifetime
THE MASTER 😍 J. S. Bach
Johan Sebastian Bach great Fantasia in c minor orgal work
Dramatic and sublime ❤
The choice of tempo is perfect for this occasion, seeing that this piece usually only runs for around 5 minutes of so
@@peterming The tempo was also chosen to time deliberately with the arrival of Her Late Majesty at the West doors of the Abbey. However the delay of around 1 minute earlier in the proceedings prevented this from happening. As it is, everything in the service was choreographed to the last minute. The English have a particular penchant for this sort of thing.
@@ds1868 it's arranged to the seconds
I can see she has planned everything before her passing ... A true queen ... leaving nothing to chance
At 8:14, Peter Holder starts playing the first movement from Elgar's Organ Sonata.
Thank you queen elizabeth
wow that first note is the clearest ive heard, kudos to the sound engineers
It was queen Elizabeth 11 favourite organ piece from j.s.bach and was played for here sister funeral and hear dads that why she chose it
5:36-5:46 hits some kinda way.
God rest the Queen
Wie heißt das letzte Orgelspiel?
Das ist der erste Satz aus Elgars Orgelsonate. The first movement from Elgar's Organ Sonata.
@@edmardisla8492 Wrong it's johan serbastion Bach fantasia in c minor
@@OrganistWorcestershire He was right: first the organist plays the Fantasia BWV 562, but from 8:14 onwards he plays the first movement of Elgar's Organ Sonata. Stefan asked for the last piece he plays, not the first one.
For Peter!
But.... if you had been one of the greatest musicians who ever existed, and in particular the greatest of the Baroque period together with a certain fellow countryman of yours...
... and you were buried in Westminster Abbey because you are recognized as the greatest composer-servant of the crown, and at the funeral of one of the longest-lived and most important queens to have ever existed, seen worldwide by more than 4 billion people (instead than 4 London cats from the 18th century)...
... for the release of the royal coffin, is played a piece composed instead by your other countryman who , unlike you, it remained in provincial churches were enough for him and he remained there in his countryside doing cantatas for Sunday.... Wouldn't that make you dizzy???
Friday 1 March 2024 - Silly Silly
0:57 evil beard guy in the background...
❤🫡😢
2:32 and 3:59 is better
Both in WA and the final Cathedral the organists played Bach as postludie. Why? Wish fra QE?
Bach's music is timeless and universal. Not by chance that he was voted composer of the millennium in 2000.
@@johnforsbergbarrett923 Not an answer to my question. QE 's wish or organists choice?
@@Vindebyvej Probably the organists chose the music for both services in agreement with the team that planned the funeral ceremonies. Queen Elizabeth wasn't known to be very interested in music, art, literature, etc. She preferred an outdoor life in her free time, with horses and dogs.
Not correct. Watch “The Queen’s Funeral Music” by Paul Wilkinson on CZcams to see just how incorrect it is.
@@brendavanderford2029 He just talks about the music played at the Queen's funeral and committal service and mentions various British composers who wrote music for different royal occasions. But he never says that the Queen was a great music-lover. I don't believe she was. King Charles on the other hand, is artistic, and has wide cultural interests. He paints (so did Prince Philip), likes opera and classical music, played the cello when he was young etc.
An odd choice I thought. Bit too ‘Hammer Horror’ for me.
I'm guessing you don't listen to much organ music then. This is a beautiful piece by the master of the organ, and was completely appropriate for this occasion.
I don't really know what to say but it's just so disappointing to see that the majority of Bach's work is either "that wedding song" or "spooky horror music". His work were lightyears ahead of his contemporaries, drawing from the older Baroque composers and really perfecting the art of counterpoint.
Just sad that he's reduced to "le spooky organ song"
@@baroque4days It's tragic. I saw an online article the other day compiling all the negative things people were saying about this piece/performance. I couldn't believe it. I have come to the conclusion that organ music is simply an acquired taste, and that it requires fairly acute listening to really appreciate how beautiful and complex it is.
@@tobinluto to be honest, I think that's the case for Baroque music in general. Most really don't know what to listen for. I think it kinda takes a little bit of musical understanding to get why counterpoint is so impressive. All I can say is, trying to commit myself to writing baroque is difficult. You need to really hear roughly how the 4 voices will be moving in your head and then use the rules of counterpoint to make it fit.
Apart from a lack of appreciation for the compositions themselves, the instrument, in particular, is very unfairly treated. Most people only really know of the tutti sounds an organ can produce but few people know about the wonderful little sounds you can make. Hearing pieces performed which use different stops throughout is always a joy. The flute stop is definitely one of my favourite sounds.
@@baroque4days Agreed. The Abbey organ is also quite good for playing Bach. In the 1980s rebuild of the instrument the late Simon Preston who was at the time Organist and Master of the Choristers deliberately chose neo-classical additions to the instrument, which has helped a great deal in achieving this aim. One of the improvements was the addition of a separate and independent flue chorus on the Pedal organ, and also the revoicing of the reeds on both the Great and Pedal, to result in the effect you can hear in the voluntary here. As you say many people fail to appreciate the huge complexities of a large church organ, and in the case of the Abbey organ a very large instrument placed in an intriguing position on both sides of the Quire screen. I think it is such a shame that a superb performance such as this by Peter Holder on a truly magnificent instrument should be derided. That simply shows ignorance, and there is no excuse for it.
Music composed by Johann Sebastian Bach played on a English organ sounds awful .
I don’t can hear what a kind of music is playing.
I have the music composed for organ by Johann Sebastian several Recording on Vinyl and CD
I Prefer German and Dutch organs specifically German organ’s build in Eastern Germany by Gottfried Silbermann especially of the Cathedral in Freiburg which’s I have hear live at a special Bach round trip in the former German Democratic Republic in 1985 . Special for the 300 years of the birth of Bach.
I have heard all organ’s where Bach had a function of organist or had advised Silbermann for the construction of a organ and where he mostly gave a inauguration concert. 😢
Sounds as though you'd only enjoy Liszt's music on Liszt's piano too. I think your bias is preventing you from enjoying a lot of great performances by great organists on great, albeit different, organs.
I do understand your point - tho i would argue that the Abbey organ can handle JSB perfectly well. But that is to miss the point i reckon: NO other piece could have done justice to the solemnity (NOT sadness alone) of the occasion and what it meant for transition of power. JSB recognised only one power, and it was bigger than the Queen of England
Might it be possible for you to give a recital of this piece on an organ somewhere? I'm sure we would all be interested in learning how it should sound. I'm afraid it sounded fine to me, and I do like to learn.
@@michaelmontagu3979 Sorry I can’t play organ have had lessons but I’m left handed so it was impossible for me to get the right handed section.
But I have been a singer from the age of 5 years old.
I have more than 1,000 records of organ music and I have recorded organ music from several old organs of the 18th century and later.
In 1985 a made a trip of the 300 birthday of Johann Sebastian Bach to the former G.D.R. The D.D.R and have heard all the organs on with Bach had played the Gottfried Silbermann Organs . Who was a friend of Bach and Bach advised which register should be made for the new build organ which would be appropriate to the size of the church.
So I have knowledge enough of organs.
Books of organ building.
It is the turning of a organ.
Bach composed all his organ works in German middle wage vote and English organs have tuned different.
Buy a book how to build a organ.
if you have an iPhone and a subscription for Apple Music, you can put all organ music by Johann Sebastian Bach in Apple Lossless high resolution on your iPhone, so you will hear the difference between organs in German mean tone tuning and English organs that be in a mood for English music with one higher pressure to the pipes.
That's the thing with Bach: it sounds good on practically everything...
Here are my thoughts: "Who had the idea of putting FAKE flowers on Elizabeth II's coffin?! Please! And also that Bach music is too dramatic, she died at 96 for God's sakes, it's only normal! Put on a more cheerful music! Let's celebrate the Queen's life, and cheer for King Charles' arrival!"
The flowers were real, from the garden of Buckingham Palace, Clarence House and Highgrove. The music was the late Queen's choice.
@@michaelmontagu3979 Completely agree.
@@ds1868 Thank you. If those were PRINC's thoughts they really need to try thinking seriously.
What do you suggest then? A band playing The Dashing White Sergeant? And the royals getting up and dancing out of the Abbey behind the coffin? Litttle Prince George swearing under his breath like the funeral scene in "Fanny & Alexander"? Surrealistic, I must say!
@@johnforsbergbarrett923 what, sir ?..lol