Dune vs. Dune (vs. Dune)
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If Timothee’s Paul comes of as cold and brooding, he’s just emulating Paul from the book. That’s how he is.
True. I feel like timothée gave him some more charm because of his own personal charisma.
Came here for this. KR should have read the whole book. It's relentless in its coldness.
Wrong! Never had that impression after reading Dune twice. The second novel is where paul is portrayed as a reluctant leader
@@billbaden742 But then why would he be portrayed this way in a movie based on the first novel?
@@sickel101 beats the heck out of me. At the end of The Novel, Paul is uncomfortable with the result of his defeat of the emperor and the understanding that billions of people will die in the conflicts that will be waged in his name. He understands the only way to guide this and keep it undercontrol is to submit to becomming a symbiosis with the worm and cannot bring himself to that level of self sacrifice. His Son, Duke Leto 2 accepts the commitment
tbf Karsten, the farther you get in the book, the more it becomes apparent that Paul really doesn't care for anyone except for Gurney and Duncan. He's pretty cold for most of the book
Chani?
and Chani, yeah. He also liked his dad too
@@noosaibazahrah1318 I mean yes…and no. ***BOOK SPOILERS*** I always found marrying Princess Irulan just for the power was pretty shitty towards Chani tbh.
Yeah with how early he is in the book he's really missing the sort of genre critique that Herbert was going for, unfortunately, with how shitty the reliance on hero figures can be.
Yeah, Paul is written as an impossible-to-connect-with cool wall with nothing behind it.
The issue is that people always want to approach Dune as though it is a traditional adventure saga and assume that Paul Atreides is typically herioc main character. However, Frank Herbert has said that Dune is an examination of the dangers of hero worship. Frank Herbert's subversive critique of the hero's journey may be hard for some people to understand.
The best line in the movie for me, the one that truly let me know Denis gets this book inside and out, was when Leto told Paul that (paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact wording) great leaders don't seek power, they simply answer the call when needed.
Our current political system, based on popularity and charisma to "win" an election only produces leaders who have a lust for their own level of power. We should really just find the actual best person for the job somehow, and force them to lead. Those who don't want power will feel its weight when they wield it.
It’s easier to understand with this point of view in mind, but I feel like it was a little abrupt.
I realize that the story is trying to condense several years into a narrative, however to me it felt like Paul would look into the future and then suddenly become colder and calculated, which entirely makes sense since he’s processing entire threads of possibilities in mere seconds, which would definitely age someone and take a toll, but the reader isn’t really part of this experience.
I almost wish Frank Herbert had make the novel longer, so we could grow with Paul more gradually. I’ve only read the first book so many this gets addressed later on. Dune had such a strong opening (despite and maybe because of its slow pace) that the ending feels a little rushed
@@hunterswepic I had the exact same reaction after my first read, totally felt like a jarring ending, but it was as i was thinking on the jarring, unsatisfied feeling that the book left me with when the tragedy of the whole situation really clicked for me. From my understanding the whole plot of the novel is a subtle retread of the first third, where there is a ton of build-up and then an avalanche for a conclusion. So from a literary perspective, the book does its job wonderfully.
because it was hard to get it Herbert literally wrote the second book because too many people were idolizing paul
@@krystiandrzazga1950the way you use idolize rn about a character that was a warning against idolizing a hero
It’s interesting that you say that Timothee was much colder and how that made it harder to connect with his character but he has a much firmer grasp of the character by doing so. Paul is not supposed to be someone relatable or particularly admirable.
Also the ending of Lynch’s Dune is uh. Totally different from the book and it actually undermines pretty much everything Herbert was trying to do and say with the story 😬
Weirdly enough, I heard Herbert actually liked Lymch's version!
Frank herbert assisted lynch and approved of lynch's protrayal.
I know this sounds incredibly pretentious, but I do believe people don't get how to read Dune. They expect a romp and a Sci fi epic, and they do get an epic, but it's a Theme heavy book
Wouldn't say it's pretentious, just people not knowing how to read a certain book. It would such if someone was reading a thriller slash psychological book judging it on the horror. Close to the mark but too off to ever have good critism.
Dune book is really theme heavy and more of political drama. The only thing great is the worldbuilding of Herbert
@@har5814 I kinda disagree. I enjoy Dune lore a lot, but the book itself didn't do a very good job of describing locations and technology. Good thing my imagination filled up the gaps
@@ileutur6863 The tecnological tools are kinda vague. Hope the movie visually portrays it creatively
This might be the wrong take, but I always equated it to A Song of Ice & Fire (Game of Thrones) in space for people with no experience with the books or the old movie. I haven't read the Dune books, but my dad showed me the Lynch version when I was little because he loved it as a kid. I fell in love with the story from then on, and have read/watched so much about the lore/background/themes/story of Dune and love it. I want to read the books when I get the chance, and really do love Denis' version and I hope it gets off the ground.
Paul isn't a character to empathize with, not gonna spoil anything since you haven't finished the book, but let's say he isn't a guy you want to root for, at all. If you think the book ends like Lynch's movie does, you're in for a RIDE.
this is most obviously a spoiler my guy
Yeah, honestly kinda hated Paul by the end of the book.
@@Erik_Watkins yeah that’s the point he’s not the hero
I actually sympathized with Paul a lot more after reading the second book considering also what he kept saying (and feeling) through the first book in the third (and partially second) half.
@@MrReset94 I do empathise with him, but that doesn't mean I can't dislike him.
Oh god, so the ONLY version of Dune’s ending that Karsten has ever seen is the Lynch movie?! Dear god, he has no idea how different the cautionary message of Herbert’s book is. I love Lynch, but his film DIDN’T get the point & Chalamet’s Paul is way more accurate
I thought the same thing when he said he only knows the end from the Lynch movie... in that case he has no idea what this story is really all about!
I mean, if Paul was Kyle MacLachlan the book would've had a happy ending. That was the core message of the Dune movie.
Timothée's Paul is more accurate since he is a flawed individual, just as anyone who isn't Kyle MacLachlan.
@@Aringtorulethemall Someone has a Kyle MacLovechlan! :)
Yeah! Grrr, how dare he see just one ending of the movie and not of the thousand-page book series spanning over a couple of years worthy of lore to actually know about, for shame.
Me am gonna be mad and go full elitist now 😡😡😡!1!1!1!1
Lmao good god, you elitists are some cringe, so the hell what if he didn’t see the ending of the book or the other, each of them have their own ways and versions of telling the story, like the difference between The Shining (book) and The Shining film.
@@certifiedintellectualjames5053 it takes you two years to read a 900 page novel? Jesus Christ
It’s fun hearing your take on it, but if the only ending you’ve experienced to the story is Lynch’s movie, it’s pretty safe to say you don’t really know what Dune is all about, because Lynch’s movie doesn’t really get the point of the story either. 😆Hope you’ll finish the book and give us your thoughts again after!
Came here to say the same. Love Lynch, but his version of Dune... whoo boy. It's both very faithful to the book and completely off the rails at the same time. The end is basically all Lynch.
@@justfellicitya I think you could say it STARTS pretty faithful to the book, but by the end... wooowee! Sudden and torrential rain on dune because Paul willed it? That's just not how these things happen, and totally against the actual ecological message the book was so deep into in the first place!
@@ballsrgrossnugly I mean, coming up with "weirding modules" to replace the concept of Benne Gesserit Prana-bindu martial arts was also whacky in my opinion, not to mention the super Lynchian things Lynch added just to Lynch up the thing (Harkonnens covered in pus and boils, milking cats... wtf)
@@justfellicitya All fair points, I guess I was more referring to the set design and costumes being pretty much what I had imagined from reading the books. Thinking about it though, just having the emperor as a character in the early parts of the movie was a pretty big departure as well, when you think about it.
@@justfellicitya it makes some sense for weaponizing those powers for a whole army, I guess (the modules) but the stuff with the Harkonnens just got way out there.
That said, Thufir's death (often a deleted scene) was quite affecting, even with the 'heart plug'.
7:22 you said his character feels one-noted, isn't that supposed to be the point of his character? In the books he tries to display as little emotion as possible, that's a part of him.
Yeah, I know, this guy don't know shit about dune.
He haven't even finished reading the book, he clearly doesn't have the fully understandment of the book and story to criticize something about the movie, which isn't even true
@@seanpanigel5494 you don't need to have read a book to critize a film based on it
@@lilwaterpump3289 facts
@@lilwaterpump3289 I didn't talk about him criticizing the movie in general, and I didn't talk about his criticism towards the 1984 movie, I talked about the fact that he criticized that in the new movie, Paul shows very little emotion towards the people in the movie, and if he actually read the entire book, he would realize that Paul is taught by his teachers to never show emotion. and in order to understand that, you need to read the book or at least most of it, not a 100 pages.
that's why I think he has no place to criticize that fact, because he didn't read most of the book, that's why he didn't understand that it's supposed to be like that, and thought it was a flop in the movie.
and if he did finish reading it, he would have realized how wrong he was.
Tbf its a fair criticism. He might be emotionless in the book but that might not be as intriguing to watch on the big screen. There is drawbacks to being faithful.
Look, I know you wanted to get this out on time, dude, but this has to be the most bizarre way I've ever heard of a property being reviewed.
Yeah, a bit hard to take this one seriously, but if anything it was amusing to what someone who hasn’t finished Dune thinks Dune is all about. 😅
As others have said, paul isn’t sympathetic in this story, he only gets less sympathetic as the story goes on. You start to find him rather intimidating near the end of the book, if anything.
And I sympathized with him in dune messiah. Let's face it, dune is a story about the downfall of human society that it reverts back to feudalism and turning back to religion and prophecies for a certain elite to control the nations/planets.
It's a political story at its core
@@Needler13 that’s a great description, however Karsten stating that paul lacked heart in the new movie versus the “caring” paul in 80s dune shows how little he really knows about this world, as paul is anything but lovable and caring in the latter portion of the first book.
Exactly. His arc is similar to Michael Corleone’s arc. We watch an innocent kid end up in a lifestyle/position that he didn’t ask to be in, and by the end we are given hints of cold, ruthless leadership. It becomes very unsettling/tragic, and is definitely not your typical heroes journey. As the audience, we aren’t explicitly rooting for him by the end, mainly because we anticipate that he’ll go down a more evil path from here on out.
@@HiLoMusic lmao he finds out his firstborn child was killed and is basically like "oh"
This is very clearly shown in Part Two. We're shocked by the power he's embraced at the end
I don't think Dune is about the spectacle. That's the impression it gives at first and what sells it, but as the story goes on it starts showing what's all about, I think you will see it more clearly once you finish the book. Paul is not a likeable character, and ultimately that's the lesson that the autor tries to give, that he doesn't really care about the people, he is just given this position of power and everyone is trusting him blindly because he's "The Chosen One".
At the end, Dune is mainly about power and enviromentalism and identity, that's why it has stayed with many people for many years. It's a book that is trying to be a deconstruction of the stories about heroes, that's why the characters feel not trust worthy and unlikeable, because even the Atreides(our supposed heroes) are ultimately just more people in positions of power that are taking advantage of their feudal-ish(?) system.
That being said, if you just enjoy the spectacle thats fine (who doesn't enjoy watching giant worms crawling in the desert? lol) and please don't listen to the toxic Dune fans that'll come and say that "you don't understand anything" or whatever, because I'm sure they'll come and they should stop.
you forgot to add fanatical religism
i don’t really think there’s any comparison. i love lynch but even he knows that movie is a disaster. denis put passion, artistry, and near technical perfection into his version. and the casting is the best of any version in my opinion.
Jessica really nailed her character.
Everyone who's popping up to talk about the 1984 version being better? I just immediately write them off because it's an insane take. The Director hated it, and Denis loves Dune and his films. He's put in so much care.
I paused to read the negative book reviews and I just want to comment on one of the things one of the reviews said; Princess Irulan spoils many major events before they happen and therefore takes all the tension out. I HATE that about the modern media and movie landscape, the idea that knowing spoilers for a film can effectively ruin it as a viewing experience is nonsense, it changes the experience certainly, but to say it ruins it is absurd. Should we then say that you can only ever watch a movie once because after seeing it the events of the movie have been spoiled and therefore watching it again is pointless because you know what happens? In many ways knowing what's going to happen can add tension to a story. For instance in Dune itself the opening act is not spoiled by Irulan telling the audience that Leto will die and that Yueh was the traitor, the tension comes from you knowing that, and wondering how the events will unfold. It's a pretty classic example of Hitchcock's bomb under the dinner table exercise; having more information than the characters adds tension, it doesn't remove it.
Knowing more information than the characters doesn’t always create more tension than the opposite situation. It works in the Dune book for the most part, but it didn’t work for a movie like, say, Captain Marvel.
I think there have actually been scientific studies showing that people enjoy media more if they know what to expect in advance.
I found that I enjoyed Denis’s versions more. And I especially liked his take on a good handful of characters - Like Jessica, Duncan, The Baron, and Rabban.
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I just felt his version was really cold. The characters seem to have no personality for themselves and it feels like he's just cramming a lot of exposition into this film. This doesn't even really feel like a film just set up. I get that he wants a part two but this film isn't enjoyable in the slightest. A bleak sci-fi film that copies others.
@@thenorsepioneer7311 Yes I feel this way too, and I actually really didn't like his take on Jessica.
@@thenorsepioneer7311 been thinking on it and the new dune just kinda sucks. no desire to see it ever again.
Haven't seen it, but having Paul be a mostly emotionless wall is kinda what I want him to be. It's weird while I didn't love the book when I first read it, I knew that it'd make a dope adaptation. It's written like an interesting history book, with all of the morally questionable characters
I agree whole-heartedly. I love Kyle & I think his boyish charm is necessary for Lynch's film to work but it's not really how I see Paul. Timothee did an okay job but also, he didn't bring much more to the table than he did for The King imo; a lot of nuance was missing. I really think he's overrated as an actor, I never really buy his performances but that's just my opinion
It's "lawrence of arabia" in space.
5:35 From then onwards is pretty much proof that nobody should take this video seriously. I'm telling you right now that is *_NOT_* how you should feel about Paul as the protagonist. In that respect, the new Dune absolutely gets right what the old movie gets wrong.
what did you think of dune part 2?
@@domclegg1225 AS IT WAS WRITTEN
1:09 Rule of thumb: if it's highly acclaimed but some people hate it with a burning rage, it's probably a movie where you either 1) have to think 2) have to pay attention
Or it's a case of the emperor's new clothes, with most of the audience having been duped.
@@ThreadBomb lmao
7:27 - 7:49 - honestly you might as well have been describing Paul from the books
I never felt Herbert cared for heart in Dune. It always read as more of an account than a reflection. It’s more history than narrative.
The best adaptation of Dune is the current geopolitical climate of the middle east
Best take on Dune so far😂😂😂 (but it's scary how many parallels there are)
feels kind of prophetic, but at the same time not really.
And if you've read all of the books, that sort of makes complete sense!
alternately: The best adaptation of the current geopolitical climate of the middle east is Dune
where's the sand worm?
I've got to say, if you are reading the book, keep a finger in the glossary at the back to make referencing it faster. You will be using it a lot! I really like the quotes to open chapters as well.
Honestly Karsten, I don't blame you for feeling a little mystified by all this Dune stuff, because the real, actual point of Dune doesn't become apparent until - hilariously enough - the sequel, Dune Messiah. And, despite some plot holes and a bit-too-abstract of a narrative structure, it's an even much better book than the original Dune novel.
It's like, actually heartfelt and emotional without feeling manipulative, and it deals mercilessly with the inevitable fallout from the events of the first book. I'm so glad that, assuming all this goes well, Denis is planning to do a trilogy that ends with Dune Messiah, because THAT'S where the real heart of this series lies.
Dune Part One and Two are one story - a trilogy would end with Children of Dune which would show the final consequences of Paul's actions.
Watching your review makes me think of that line from Drakes song that goes, “How are you gonna hate from outside the club. You can’t even get in.” Not that you’re hating but you’re talking about a book and an ending that you didn’t even read (finish) you’re basically writing a paper after reading the Cliff Notes of a book. And if you’re just gonna compare the movie to the movie then that’s fair but you don’t really get a taste of who Paul is from the first movie not like you do from the book. So you’re basically comparing it off a character that’s loosely based off of a character from a book then complaining that he’s not like that in the first movie even though that’s not how he is in the book.
Deni's Dune is flawless. I've watch it in Spain. TWICE in the same week. IDK... It was like going to another world. And I went without knowing almost nothing about the story. But at first it's tough to realte to characters. Part 2 might be a hit.
yes I was thinking that while watching: part 1 is a much harder sell than part 2: part 1 is mainly about politics and setting up the world, part 2 has much more action, conflict, and heart. I really hope it gets made.
It's good to hear that people who know nothing about this seem to be able to follow along, I was worried when I watched it, knowing the full story pretty well all the way to book 7, I picked up on so much nuance that hinted at the books all over the place but didn't actually explain it. Hopefully that only helps people get into the books all the more to dive into the history of this awesome thing written over half a century ago but still seems like what life in about 30,000 years might just look like.
What did you like? Explain in detail because I loathe it and I don't understand why people like it.
@@Aedrion- I've seen around 2000 movies and this one is one of the most memorable experiencies I had in the cinema. What do I need to explain? That I was transported to the world of Dune for over two hours, twice?
1) Have you seen it in cinema? Thats the main reason to love or dont like it very much. I'm not a cinema purist, but this movie in particular, you cant possibly enjoy it as much if your are not in a theater.
2) The world is so rich and well developed that it feels very real. That is not easy to achieve. It was achieved by The Lord of the Rings and now by Dune. Both trilogies have the same impact. We will see it with Dune II.
3) Maybe you didnt like it beacuse yu got tired in the first hour of the film and you wasnt invested in the secong part. The last part is the best part and it makes it clear that this is just the beginning of an epic adventure through the universe of Dune.
@@Aedrion- What did you loathe? Explain in detail because I don't understand why people loathe it.
See how stupid of a question that is?
I love David Lynch but have refrained from watching his version of Dune bc when he talks about it you can tell it isn't really his version, since he didn't have final cut or full control. I think had he been given full creative control, it would've been a more cohesive film. But those special effects... Nothing you can do to defend those lmao
Watch the 3 hour lynch cut. It's good, then bad, then good, then bad, over and over!
You talk about Timothee's version of Paul as a brick wall, and you say he doesn't seem to care about any of the characters around him, compared to Kyle McLachlan. But that's literally the opposite of how I felt about the two movies. I love Lynch, and I love Kyle McLachlan, but I thought the 84 Dune felt so hollow, and I didn't feel like I connected with Kyle's Paul at all. Conversely, I really sympathized with Timothee's Paul a lot more, and I felt like his relationships with everyone around him felt a lot more genuine and wholesome. I'm unsure how you could see the goofy ass hug he gives to Thufir Hawat when they first land on Arrakis and feel like Paul "resents most people here" lol.
I also disagree that New Dune is entirely about the spectacle. There's so much nuance to Paul's character in Villeneuve's Dune. It really feels like the whole movie is an exploration of the inner conflicts he feels as both the son of a Duke and the child of a Bene Gesserit. He has so many burdens placed on his shoulders, and he spends most of the movie grappling with the expectations of both of his parents, all while also trying to unravel the strange visions he is having that seem to be leading him toward an entirely different future than either of his parents envision for him. Sure, there is plenty of spectacle in the new movie, but it all feels secondary to Paul's inner conflicts with his own identity. I personally feel like '84 Dune feels like a more impersonal spectacle than '21 Dune, despite '21 Dune doing a much better job with the spectacle. I'm so fucking hyped for part 2.
I feel that Paul's "inner conflicts" were mostly imposed by you based on your knowledge of the material. The character in Villeneuve's film was basically a cipher.
@@ThreadBomb Knowledge of what material? I've never read the books, if that's what you mean. All I know about the series is what I was shown in both movies, and what I've read in comments sections on CZcams. My comments here were just the genuine impressions I got of Paul's character from each of the movies.
"I didn't finish the book, so I'm going to go off the old movie instead." Fucking what, dude?
Yeah he kinda lost me there
Ngl karston i think you may be overestimating the goofiness of the novel. The point of the original story is that Paul is not a heroic character
Was waiting for this. Gonna watch it while eating
What did you eat
I bought Dune 1984 on blu ray in anticipation for Villenuenes interpretation. And I liked it! Very weird and there is some awful stuff, but I liked a lot of the themes ideas and acting.
Take a shot every time he says Dune
The lack of research or the finishing of the book makes this video feel misguided. I'm all for movie critiquing, but if you're gonna reference the book but not finish it. I don't see the point of using it as reference, or even mentioning it in the first place.
Do a part 2 of this when you actually do a proper research, would love to hear more
Fr it’s so annoying to hear him talk like he knows anything when he hasn’t even finished the source material
Lynch's version is not really his version. During its making stuff happened that led to Lynch leaving the production, plus he had not full control on anything. So in the end he was a name they wanted to put on the movie, but without letting him work. In fact the Director role is credited to the infamous name used on movies that original directors didn't want to sign.
Yeah if i remembered correctly there is a rule in hollywood where if a movie is made 90% by a director and then that director quit or fired and changed they still have to use the original director name, so while the first director might have not have any influence on the changes of the movie they still have to use the name.
@@rinothename5563 yet in the credits at the end of the movie, under “directed by” there’s not his name eheh
okay this is just my opinion but hear me out: i haven't finished the book either but i have gotten to the point where the new dune ends and tbh i don't really like paul as a character like i don't think this is his function in this whole thing and i was surprised because i tend to like even unlikable characters and on that end i think timothee was really accurate in his portrayal because paul feels distant and a little arrogant in a way especially after being "inflicted with his terrible purpose" as he says so i don't know if this is just me but i think that timothee has really nailed the way paul is portrayed in the book in his performance
As someone who has read the full book twice, believe me, you are justified in your opinion. You have the exact mindset that Frank Herbert want the reader to have. Like many people in the comments who have read the book have said, I don’t want to tell you what happens to Paul or the ending because I want you to have the same response as I did five years ago, but keep your opinion of him active as you continue to finish this masterpiece.
The few things I liked from the 1980's movie was the still-suits, the shields, the worms, and the princess in the opening sequence. The baron also reminds me of Immortan Joe from Mad Max: Fury Road.
The original movies is 3 hours long and still feels like if you watched a few separates scenes in CZcams, like there is over and hour of cut scenes in the movies because there are characters that are there without being introduced but Paul somehow acts like he had previous scenes with the character.
Yo man, the miniseries is the one that does the job right. You need to tolerate too old looking lead for part one, but aside from that it nails everything
I was planning on watching it....is it better than these two adaptations?
In the book, from the very first pages of it, Paul is a 15 year old boy with all the empathy of a calculator. He doesn't care about people around him, even with his parents, he thinks he feels attachment and fondness of them but he's merely going through the steps. That being said, Villeneuve and Chalamet really went out of their way to make Paul more relatable and just - more human.
Timmy's Paul also goes through a drastic change as he realizes how much responsibility he might be coming into. His first few scenes have absolutely no soul, especially when we first see him with Duncan. I was scared at that moment because I thought they did not fill the characters that well. But as it progressed he grew into Paul more, but I think a defining part of Paul is that he has to be lacking of flavor because of the way he perceives his mission, which is not the best for movies, but it is important to the feel of this story and what it is trying to portray. Gurney is the most stoic of all the characters personality wise but I felt that he had the most flavor/character of anyone we saw so far.
Denis's dune was way better imo, and that says a lot, cuz the OG one wasn't bad in anyway. Also I love karsten's voice.
Lynch’s movie absolutely butchers everything after Paul takes the name Muad’Dib, it collapses into nonsensical hell
I'm sorry but you really should have finished the book before you made this video.
tim is perfect as the fact you didnt finish the book shows a lot lmao
I really liked the answer to the question you posed at the end of the video!
The fact that he hasn’t finished reading it, yet still recommends everyone read the book first before watching the movies says a lot about the book.
I haven’t read the book yet or seen the movies but I plan to get into the franchise and fandom. I own the book and I plan to read it sometime soon.
Loved the audio book of Dune but think the jodoowsky’s dune documentary is a must for any filmmaker,that guy has real passion for his movies.
...reading the first third of the novel, then watching the new Part One, and finishing with the 1984 movie... must be the worst way to experience Dune that I've ever heard of 🙆♂️
(cause the novel starts off with a lot of exposition and set-up, giving you tons of baggage and extra information to distract you on the first movie experience, while finishing it off with the old movie is kind of unfortunate, as the biggest mistake of the Lynch film is how it butchers the ending and does the complete opposite of what the main point of the book is)
That said, glad you liked it xD
"something for the girls to party to this summer" thank you for getting it
been waiting for this video
Dune is one of my favorite novels, by far. I can't wait to see the movie!
Would You recomend it to someone that doesnt read at all ? :0
@@adriantapia2744 You'll probably find the first few chapters a bit of a slog if you don't read much, but i'd encourage you to keep at it. Don't force yourself to read it all in one week, pace yourself if you're not used to reading and i think you'll enjoy it.
@@adriantapia2744 Well, it's a bit long, but if you love sci fi movies, it's a must read.
Seeing it in 3D on a massive screen in 5 days I am beyond excited as fan of the books for about 2 years now
Should’ve titled the video “Dune vs. Dunc”
Should have waited to drop this video until after finishing the book.
Huh, I finished this book like, two, three days ago and I was like, there's no CZcams longform video essays for this. Convenient!
Great video, my dude!
You definitely need to watch Jodorowsky's Dune. It's not so much about Dune as it's about the creative process and what happens when creativity collides with commercial considerations. One of the best documentaries I've ever seen. You'll love it!
“Dune part 1 didnt have heart and its Timothy Charlemagne’s fault”
Timothy: “And I took that personally with Part 2”
I appreciate the effort you put into this video, but I think that doing this video before finishing the book was a big mistake. Especially because you mentioned you viewed the 1984 version to get the ending. I think that made you misunderstand the point of Dune and it’s characters.
Thank you for this
I hope you do watch the mini series! I rewatched every summer as a kid and honestly have not watched again as an adult so I really need someone to watch it and weigh in and let me know if its any good!
Every time I pass by this video in my feed I think the person on the left is the Nature Tapes album cover and I have to scroll back up and look at it again to make sure I’m not going crazy
Think you should’ve finished reading the book before doing the video because you’re missing a lot of context and detail that goes into who Paul is as a character.
I think both movies are very cool visually in their own way. Dune 1984 is a more straight forward story that wraps up while 2021 seems colder but maybe more accurate. I just wonder if they will make the whole series.
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My memory is fuzzy of it, but what I can remember of the mini series, it might be the best portrayal of the story on film. Definitely worth checking out. A mini series just has more time to tell a complete story than a movie does.
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Hey I got the same book. I wanted the better cover with illustrations but I spent too much that weekend so I had to settle for the cheap corporate minimalist version. They even did the same for the boardgame
"i love you, remember when we enjoyed yogurt?"
-the last words of the God emperor (kind of)
9:56 I double that.
Go watch it! Incredible experience (even if you haven't read the book).
why is this video so funny i laughed a lot
I’ve seen the new one twice🙈maybe it’s because it’s the first movie I’ve seen in the theaters since covid… maybe it’s because timmy… or maybe it’s because I couldn’t get how grand this movie was out of my mind. THE SOUND DESIGN is crazy. Luckily I was able to catch it the second time in Max Linder theatre in Paris (which is known for creating an amazing watch experience). I’ve recently started the book as well and am planning to watch the 1984 version (need to give it some time though🥴) but I’m so excited to see how everything unfolds
I just like the 2021 version of Dune because Timmy Chalamet is in it lol
@@shannon8254 pretty shallow
The miniseries is BOMB AF
Fascinating video - good job of describing the appealing elements of both films - re Lynch's film, the 2 big drawbacks you describe are the storytelling coherence and the special effects - re understanding the story, was this an issue w Eraserhead and Mulholland Drive? He's a Surrealist, and this hallucinatory disorientation worked well for Dune; re effects, don't discount the idea of his intentional artifice vs "realism" - esp in the 1st half, IMO these were bold creative visual choices - I think it's an interesting transitional work for him - excellent point about MacLachlan - his loss of innocence is the heart of that film, very well rendered, and he becomes cold and scary
Dude : the rug really brings the sietch together.
I really wish that at some point there's a true extended cut of Dune 1984 with Lynch having final cut. The studio and dino de laurentiis got in the way of that, and it shows
Watched it on IMAX, it was an amazing experience!
Take a shot every time Karsten says dune
The documentary Jodorowsky's dune is really great, you should check it out. I honestly believe that his vision for this material would have been made into a masterpiece. Jodorowsky is a brilliant artist.
The Dune novel series is my favorite piece of fiction ever. I'm unreasonably exited for it. Trying and failing to keep my expectations low
The big question is, have you finished the book?? Perhaps, an update video down the line when you've finished the book and the mini series?
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I knew nothing about Dune coming into the movie theatre and for most of the film I was slightly bored, I didn't like the constant loud noises and the general monotony of the setting. It was only towards the end that I began to actually feel invested in the story and I left wanting more, but also sort of wishing I hadn't wasted the last 2 and half hours on a movie I had found mostly uninteresting. Having said all that, I do look forward to part 2, as I expect that now that the basic universe and character building is done things will get much more exciting.
my mother is an original dune fan from the 70s. we went to see the film together and boy was she HYPED. what she particularly liked is that the whole environmental aspect was finally mentioned (you know, that the sand planet COULD have water and be a green planet if only it wasnt for the spice, so ppl went money > life), which apparently no adaptation has previous managed to do. she came out of the theatre like a giddy little kid so excited for the next installments.
-- meanwhile i thought it was indeed a bit heartless. i kept waiting to get at least SOMEWHAT attached to any of these characters but it was just like * shrug emoji * idk its on timmy though. i think its the script not caring much to give any of these characters a personality.
Dude you barely even scratched the surface of Dune. You can’t really compare the book if you’ve barely read any of it.
Have you read other sci-fi/fantasy books? The reason I didn't personally like the book was because I kept comparing it to other books that do the things Dune tries to do better. I'm curious what you would think of that, but if you're not a big reader I don't assume epic sci-fi/fantasy, 1000+ page doorstopper books are your cup of tea?
How did so many people watch this movie already
Those fictional writings before chapters create a sense of scale. Yes, in all versions it is the way also in the translations. They are part of the story, so.
Dune 2021 doesnt have Paul telling the Reverend Mother to shut up so it sucks
As a German: I love the "Poster-twist"
I liked the scifi miniseries. The music in that show was pretty unique as well.
2:55 'and he thought: "i'm a SEED" idk what the context for this is but with no context it's very funny
The documentary is the best of the movies, for sure.
LOL and you stuck at the same spot I did for the book too. I feel like the 2021 version is a very long prologue to a story with the best eyes/audio feast ever. I think the best characters were portrayed by Jason Mamoa, Oscar Isaac, and Stellan Skarsgård (yet most of them were dead by the end🥲). Others just make me feel blank. I think Paul's visions are the best analogy for the film: a foreshadowing for something greater.
I am listening to the Dune audio book and it took me 2 weeks to finish part 1.
Please do the miniseries.
Happy birthday dude
I’m fairly new to film stuff. I’m wondering how film channels and accounts get movie clips to download and post legally
Highly recommend reading the book. That final synopsis regarding the poster was humorous, but wildly wrong. The book is not about how the worms could destroy these little people flitting about the desert in hopeless abandon. Not even close. The books are about humanity and how to deal with the problems we create for ourselves. It's about the fallacy of leaders and messiah narratives, it's about the consequences of humans on ecology and ecology on humans. It is relationships within relationships.