Great news from Helsinki - new tram line built faster than planned!

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  • čas přidán 30. 10. 2023
  • Helsinki has launched a new tram line and that's great. But this news is quite unique because all works were made a year sooner than planned and for lower budget. All cities should learn from Helsinki.
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Komentáře • 60

  • @edwardmiessner6502
    @edwardmiessner6502 Před 6 měsíci +94

    Finland: We built a light railway ahead of schedule and under budget! 🙂
    USA, Canada, UK, Australia and NZ: 😭😭😭😭

    • @f.r.4329
      @f.r.4329 Před 6 měsíci +7

      add Germany to the list

    • @DimJOfficial
      @DimJOfficial Před 6 měsíci +3

      add the rest of the world to this

    • @jayfielding1333
      @jayfielding1333 Před 6 měsíci +7

      And it's huge!!! 34 stations - crazy.

    • @WildWildWeasel
      @WildWildWeasel Před 6 měsíci

      Corrupt bureaucratic nations p much.

    • @igifigi1058
      @igifigi1058 Před 6 měsíci +1

      it's not light rail, you, american, it's a tram

  • @NeonNion
    @NeonNion Před 6 měsíci +86

    "Raide Jokeri", as it's called, isn't actually the first such project to be completed under budget and opened sooner than planned. Tampere did it first a couple years ago with its tram / lightrail, which has been a huge success! An extension is under construction and many more currently under planning.

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci +15

      This is very cool. Everyone should learn from Finland how to implement such large projects.

    • @NeonNion
      @NeonNion Před 6 měsíci +27

      @@cityforall For transit projects, yes! For nuclear power plants, only if you wish to break the record for the most expensive building. OL3 Nuclear reactor opened just recently in 2023, when it was originally meant to open in 2009. Then again, to be fair, it is a French design.

    • @nori8627
      @nori8627 Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@NeonNion And Helsinki-Espoo Länsimetro (first phase)…

    • @NeonNion
      @NeonNion Před 6 měsíci +3

      @@nori8627 That is very much true, but lessons were learned and the second phase went smoothly.

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci +10

      @@NeonNion nuclear plants is the place where it's better to check everything twice and then once more :)

  • @clive8907
    @clive8907 Před 6 měsíci +39

    Well done Finland,if this was the UK they would still be talking about it 10 years from now, and the price would have gone up fourfold.

    • @saaraa7876
      @saaraa7876 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Well done Helsinki you mean. My home town in Finland, Turku, had trams but took them all down in the 70s. Now they’ve been talking about building them again for like 20 years but as of right now there are no plans nor budget for the project. The idea of finishing something ahead of schedule and under budget is a completely alien concept for me lol. Turku does absolutely everything wrong, slow and over budget when it comes to transport projects.

  • @Evemeister12
    @Evemeister12 Před 6 měsíci +26

    Yet in England, the Elizabeth line, Heathrow Terminal 5 and Edinburgh trams were all over budget, behind schedule. Don't get me started on HS2.

    • @mdhazeldine
      @mdhazeldine Před 6 měsíci +9

      But interestingly HS1 was delivered within the budget and on time. Miracles do happen sometimes!

    • @edwardmiessner6502
      @edwardmiessner6502 Před 6 měsíci +2

      And the Conservative government are trying to find a way to scuttle the whole thing, after cancelling 2/3rds of the project 😭

  • @okaro6595
    @okaro6595 Před 6 měsíci +6

    The tram line was originally proposed in 1990 but for some reasons it was delayed and it was implemented as a bus line in 2003.

  • @neuboy5843
    @neuboy5843 Před 6 měsíci +8

    Oh hey, it's the tram in my pfp! Thanks for covering our new tram!

  • @goatgamer001
    @goatgamer001 Před 6 měsíci +16

    meanwhile in greece the railway is being abandoned, as a greek i am screwed

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci +1

      All the railway is abandoned? Omg

  • @jakestar121
    @jakestar121 Před 6 měsíci +11

    meanwhile in Toronto… 🫠

  • @nori8627
    @nori8627 Před 6 měsíci +24

    Hi! You should take a look to Tampere’s tram project as much of new Helsinki line is actually like a copy of theirs. Tampere built their first line within the budget and schedule too. Anyway Helsinki Espoo metro was very different story in contrast. :)

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci

      And they also use Skoda trams as I know

  • @galaxystar8232
    @galaxystar8232 Před 6 měsíci +2

    You should look into the Durchmesserlinie in Zürich which was built under budget and on time or the Gotthard base tunnel

  • @golyj000
    @golyj000 Před 6 měsíci +10

    This is how it works when there is no corruption!!!!1111

  • @jahu35
    @jahu35 Před 5 měsíci +2

    there's a mistake at 3:11 - it's guaranteed there'll be new development along the tram route

  • @amadeosendiulo2137
    @amadeosendiulo2137 Před 6 měsíci +11

    Cries in Poznań

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci +4

      Because of renovation at the city center?

    • @amadeosendiulo2137
      @amadeosendiulo2137 Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@cityforall The fact of renovating is good and I'm happy Poznań tram infrastructure is better than in other Polish cities. But the fact that it takes so long is very inconvenient. Instead of having shifts, the workers work from morning to evening 4 days a week.

  • @lokesh303101
    @lokesh303101 Před 6 měsíci +6

    Light Rail is the best.

  • @strassenbahnfilmguy9306
    @strassenbahnfilmguy9306 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Really excellent work .

  • @NikonRaccoon
    @NikonRaccoon Před 6 měsíci +6

    Coming early and under budget is rare, but not impossible. It happened in Utah in the US about 10 years ago: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Transit_Authority#FrontLines_2015

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci +2

      That's interesting, I'm actually working on video about Salt Lake City LRT.

  • @thomaswallace479
    @thomaswallace479 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Maybe the US should contract out any tram/light rail projects to the Finns.

  • @johanneskauhanen7933
    @johanneskauhanen7933 Před měsícem +1

    It's far from my home😢. Luckily Helsinki is going to build tram "Länsi-Helsingin" raitiotiet near me.

  • @geirmyrvagnes8718
    @geirmyrvagnes8718 Před 6 měsíci +12

    Find some Finnish person and tell them they will not be allowed in a sauna unless they reveal the secret! This sounds like deep, dark and ancient magic! Or did they just multiply their first estimate with pi as you probably should?

    • @Eeroke
      @Eeroke Před 6 měsíci +7

      Oh easy. It's because of the alliance model.
      Alliance model also demands a reliable budged estimate which both of the parties can believe in, so the final budget held. There were some grumblings when that was locked, because the initial estimates to win the bid were, surprise: grossly underestimated.
      Covid helped to speed up the works. Due to reduced traffic some roads could be closed for works completely.

    • @geirmyrvagnes8718
      @geirmyrvagnes8718 Před 6 měsíci

      @@Eeroke A reliable budget that both parties can believe in? Shouldn't the contractor just underbid like crazy to get the contract, and then come up with a few hundred excuses for why everything unfortunately turned out more expensive, and they have to be compensated for these factors totally beyond their control? And shouldn't the city just forget about including about half of the details and much of the wider consequences of a big infrastructure project? Finnish people are strange.. Usually in a good way! 😅

    • @Eeroke
      @Eeroke Před 6 měsíci

      @@geirmyrvagnes8718
      Sorry, I fumbled it. The initial estimate was 275 million to get the project approved. Then some more planning was done, the bids rolled in and the price was set 386 million, which the politicians swallowed with some hiccups. Oh, and the vehicles were 95 million more, but those were on the transit agency.
      I don't know how the alliance model does the penalties for budget overruns and delays in such a way that the builders can't just hold the half finished work site as a hostage. I suppose it's yet another buzzword for bunch of best practises, like that someone is actually tasked to monitor what the contractors are up to.

  • @doctordinosaur3080
    @doctordinosaur3080 Před 6 měsíci +6

    But HOW?
    There's nothing to learn, if you don't tell how they did it.

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci +11

      I'll try to make more detailed video about it in the future

    • @doctordinosaur3080
      @doctordinosaur3080 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@cityforall I'm looking forward to it, thanks in advance :)

    • @mikrokupu
      @mikrokupu Před 6 měsíci +5

      The official story goes something like this: The new light rail was implemented with the alliance, formed by 2 cities, the planners and the implementers. The principles of the project: early integration, mutual targets, contract and mutual commercial model, shared risks and benefits and mutual development phase. The operating principles were working for the best for the project, building trust and continuous improvement.
      The key words probably are "shared risks and benefits", all members of the alliance were motivated to work effectively, in all parts of the project.

    • @doctordinosaur3080
      @doctordinosaur3080 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@mikrokupu That sounds plausible. The "get paid by time" model just doesn't work well in projects.

  • @yagi3925
    @yagi3925 Před 6 měsíci +2

    They might give a lesson or two to the Belgians, with the construction of the new metro line in Brussels now in limbo. It's behind schedule, the budget is skyrocketing out of control, the authorties just don't have a clue how to solve the technical and financial challenges they're facing... For short, it's a disaster and a total quagmire.

    • @XGD5layer
      @XGD5layer Před 6 měsíci

      Oh don't worry, our (now finished) metro extension exceeded the budget by 25% in both phases.
      Not to mention that the recently finished nuclear reactor was delayed by 14 years.

  • @samuelgachuhi8049
    @samuelgachuhi8049 Před 6 měsíci +5

    I just want to know, in most countries, are building of trams and metros a work of the sub-national jurisdictions, such as municipalities or counties or a function of the national government? This is because when it is the national government planning, delays due to fiscal pressure and local politics can surface and cause delays. If it is from the sub-national jurisdictions, both problems can also arise and cause similar delays. So which is better?

    • @cityforall
      @cityforall  Před 6 měsíci +3

      The details may vary from country to country, but in general, local authorities are responsible for planning, and the government helps financially by compensating part of the construction costs.

  • @Leonard_Wilson
    @Leonard_Wilson Před 6 měsíci +1

    In NYC, it would take 20 years to build.

    • @PaulVinonaama
      @PaulVinonaama Před 6 měsíci

      But you have a nice underground, don't you?

  • @emjackson2289
    @emjackson2289 Před 6 měsíci +6

    "Great news from Helsinki - new tram line built faster than planned!" - or to put it another way, "Construction will Finnish earlier"
    I'll get my coat

  • @jonnanieminen8848
    @jonnanieminen8848 Před 6 měsíci +1

    And it squeaks very loudly in corners. So loudly that a lot of people are complaining because you can hear it even inside very loudly

  • @eatonjask
    @eatonjask Před 6 měsíci +1

    @oc_transpo, compare and learn!