Why Helsinki is Tearing Up Its Freeways
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Come to Romania, we haven't built any highways.
Because romania doesnt have any money
@津波うま味 China is too busy colonizing Africa to be in Romania
Because Romania is a developing nation at some aspects - I'd still like to visit, thou!
Come to highway, We havent built Any romania
psulionz87 I’d love to visit it, the women are incredible.
Public transport is so convenient in Helsinki, there's always a bus 10 mins away.
@Gentrit Çitaku It's still A LOT slower and more irregular. And every 10 minutes is only for the absolutely most frequent lines in the biggest three cities.
Except when you have a conference in Järvenpää and you need to take a train and a buss to malmi. But its okay cause the buss has malfunctioned and you need to run 3km in a suit to reach the train in time. God I hate working in PKS
@@evilfish456 In the end that's not the norm. I think if you want to play it safe go with a taxi.
@@Isorisu
Its okay. I refuse to do business inside/conferences in the center. Everybody has the main offices in Helsinki center but we can easily meet outside helsinki, and this is the norm nowdays. I'm just waiting the bug companies to see the light and move out from Helsinki. Espoo or Vantaa is better choice for large companies.
Well i'm just waiting to see how this project will go. The idiots tough they could limit Länsiväyläs traffic but someone told how Helsinki gets it's food.
Then there was that bicycle demonstration where biker blocked the Länsiväylä. Helsingin Energia and its powerplant at Salmisaari ran out of Wood pellets so they burned 100% coal for the heat. Ironic.
@@evilfish456 Yeah Salmisaari and kalasatama's power plants should be ripped down they are so ugly
"Affordable housing" Not going to happen in Helsinki!
Affordable housing does exist in Helsinki :) I just moved in to a new studio apartment (right-of-occupancy) 20 min from the city. I pay EUR 380/month + 18K deposit.
@@mikrokupu whats the m^2?
@@mikkomohonen6150 Yeah a very good price-quality ratio. A massive balcony is a nice bonus. All together, a good reason to move to the suburbs ;)
@@Tomson419 It's 30m2 + 10m2 glassed balcony
@Rehman Sattar Doesn't matter since housing is ridiculously expensive in Helsinki relative to income.
Note that he said INSIDE the city. Which can be sufficiently argued for.
There are no freeways in the city. The freeways they’re talking about are within city limits but not in the city. They’re major ways leading to it
@@anttikalpio4577 Roads like Itäväylä take the same amount of space as a freeway although they aren't a freeway by definition.
also Finnish city is same as small village in US
SWEDEN for exempel need’s long and big roads for the logistic and the PEPOLE that lives outside the city and that goes for almost every country. We need vehicles.
I’m a truck driver btw
@@anttikalpio4577 they are
I’m 21 years old and from a family that never owned car. Learned to move around Helsinki at very young age. The travel card which is relatively cheap monthly covers buses, trams, commuter trains, the subway line, even the ship to an Island in the archipelago. In my family we only rented a car if we needed it for a longer trips. Otherwise in everyday life no need for a car at all. And my plan is to never buy a car, but maybe if some leasing/shared car services become cheaper I’d be happy to use every now and then...
“Earmarked for New York’s ailing public transportation system.”.... until the NYS government siphons off those funds for pet projects. NYC had one of the best mass transit systems in the world for decades until the state started diverting funds and letting it fall into disrepair and failing to keep up with modern improvements... The NY Times have a great video on it for those curious
You are 100% correct. Now that it's falling apart, they want billions for repairs. They should have incrementally updated, but didn't.
I swear some of the roads in NYC are like a minefield, there are even places that still have cobblestone roads lol.
US being such a great democracy people must have voted "yes" for letting that great mass transit system fall...
We elect people to make decisions on our behalf, I’m not aware of any political system in which every financial transaction has to go through a voter referendum.
@@chigasaki06 I do not live in New York, but you stated "they want billions for repairs", but who is to say that "they" didn't get it? How do you think some politicians are worth millions, but they are paid around $175,000 per year. Actually I visited New York with my family just last year, my wife is from Guangzhou, China, and she could not believe the very poor public transportation in a city that actually is older than hers. Guangzhou was almost completely destroyed during WW2.
Here in Finland we have this thing called ”paskanmarjat”.
I guess some of us want to "make Finland great again".
What's that? Some of us aren't Finns, u know..
@@hisexcellencypresidentofre4118 basically means "bullshit"
It means bullshit but translates as "shit's berries."
Ah! Thanks
If I could imagine a Vice reporter I would imagine this reporter.
you mean gay lesbian pan sexual assault helicopter lqtgb+ ?
@@sm3675 you said what?💀
I bet she has two moms.
The point of this video isn't to prove relying on public transportation works in big cities (Tokyo the easy proof of this, don't beat a dead horse) It's to show how a city that focused on private transportation can transition into one that focuses on public transportation.
But Helsinki doesn't/didn't focus on private transportation.. so where is the transition? Also the roads highlighted can hardly be classified as freeways in Finland and compared to 'murica not at all. Source: me, American and Finnish, living/working in helsinki for the past 10 years..
@@hannu08 There are quite a number of US cities where central areas are served well by public transit. Even some cities where expressway plans have been scrapped. You fail to mention that outside of Helsinki, many people are really dependent on cars. It is a lifeline for some. Not all can afford to live in an area 5 min. from the metro. Stop painting the USA as the great Satan.
The point of this video is to virtue signal bullshit that won't make a fucking dent in global pollution. Cars aren't even going to be pollutants in 20-30 years anyway.
In america u less you lice in a city of 50k plus you are SOL on public transport.
I guess this video failed in its message since your comment were needed
Ill move to Helsinki since they want residents.
Dont move its cold
@@MrZampo123 Im from Canada but visit Finland regularly and it's even cold for me =]
ASM 613 same XD
MrZampo Not for long at this rate...
Carter Kinoy well then heat age couldnt come soon enough cus im fucking done with these -30 celcius winters
This was filmed in 2017.
This isn't really a only Helsinki thing, go only 80km over the sea to the south, and you will find Estonia, where the state often chooses not to build freeways, because it's afraid of that it will create more traffic and CO2 gases with it.
I live in Helsinki and don’t have a car or a driver’s license because the public transportation infrastructure is so good around here. I didn’t want to pay thousands of € for a driver’s license because I knew I would be moving to Helsinki to study right after upper secondary school. However, we need to keep in mind that out of 5.5 million Finns, roughly 1.2 million live in the Helsinki Urban Area and the experiences of Helsinkians are not universal for all Finns. In my hometown I had to ride my bike everywhere I needed to go since public transportation was not an option.
Also the public transit infrastructure especially railway, trams, metro, commuter trains, is so much newer and in better condition in Finland. The trains are very clean and new! Public transit is luxury here compared to the old rusty subway trains in U.S
America is car dependent unlike Finland. I lived in Japan and was disgusted by how much better their trains/subways are.
NYC is still often in better condition than the trains on Copenhagen's S-Tog, amazingly enough...
New York City is literally a big Apple Store, everything costs a lot of money
and everyone is pushing you..
it's apocalypstick nightmare.
I'm surprised they don't charge people for walking around yet
And quality is average
1:41 the Helsinki rush hour looks like the car line to get out of the grocery store parking lot in my home town
this comment made me chuckle
That's not rush hour.
It was a joke, I'm American but I've stayed in Helsinki for a month to visit with a friend, so I'm aware what the rush hour is like there. It's still no where near what it is like in a U.S. city. The problem I have with these videos is that they imply a Nordic model will solve any social issue in the United States, e.i. health care, transportation, firearms, education. Nordic solutions to these problems simply wouldn't work in the U.S., especially at a large scale. Finland is a great country and I enjoyed my visit there but it has the population the size of a small U.S state and it doesn't have sub cultures in the sense the U.S does. Sweden has just 10 million people ( about the size of my home state of Ohio) and they're social problems are doubled.
@@Dan-vz7xu "it has the population the size of a small U.S state"
Well, can't similar things then be done at the state level in the US?
@@seneca983 This is exactly how the US was suppose to be. There are states that have better social programs and infrastructure than others. The founding founders meant it to be a Union of different states. Like the EU in a sense.
I wish I lived somewhere like Manhattan that had a metro entrance at every block and it was so easy to get around via metro at all hours. I'd def use the metro 90% of the time
Me: pays taxes to government to build roads
Government: plz pay to use your roads
Me: what
The point of that is to encourage people using more public transport rather than using your car and well you know everybody driving means terrible fucking traffic
Bry-Fi if you’re American which is sounds like you are then you have to realize not everywhere in the world is hell bent on building giant freeways and living in cut off neighborhoods that require using their car to get anywhere
@@BriFiConnections The people riding the bus and the people bicycling pay the same amount as drivers in taxes.
True some of the insurance and gad money might've been diverted to road maintenace.
However drivers need insurance and gas anyway regardless of if they are being taxed somewhat for things like road maintenance
Uh, your paying to maintain them
@@BriFiConnections Yes, true. However the people using the public busses and/or bicycling most of the time contribute far less "wear and tear" to the roads than someone who drives on them in their personal car daily
Finland does it the right way, New york, just makes travle a class thing.. Not that smart, since they will just drive longer to get to their location, and have to pay more which they could use for food or something else.
Ny plan will make public transport better, which is usually seen as a lower class mode of transport. So it is certainly a step in the right direction (a tiny tiny baby step).
@@koekjestrommol I hope so!
You have to start somewhere, especially in cities so focused on cars like NY. In general taxing the richer (car users) to build public services doesn't seem like a bad idea. Once you reach a critical mass, when using pubic transport (or bikes) will be more convenient than a car, it will equalize quickly.
You can thank NYS for the deteriorating quality of the MTA by diverting funds from NYC to other areas.
@@Yezu666 New York City is not a car dominated city as a matter of fact majority of people who live in New York City don't own a car and they use public transportation. The problem is the majority of cars that are on the road in NYC are people from NJ, CT, Long island and the Hudson. People who don't pay NYC taxes to fix the roads. this is the same problem with a lot of cities across America where people live in the suburbs but work in the city
Great job! Much love
I loved this video so much. Thank you vice!
A good idea is for governments not to make driving difficult, but to make other forms of transportation much better.
that’s nice, I can’t imagine relying solely on NYC transit - trains don’t even show up half the time, if you’re not in central manhattan at least.
That's why they want the congestion charge revenue, to fix the subsway system.
Yet another thing i can be proud about in my country. I know i am a bit biased but i honestly feel like i'm living in the best country in the world. The only other country i think might be better is Norway.
If cars and trucks are responsible for one fifth of greenhouse emissions in the US, then why the crackdown ? This sector needs innovation not more inconvenience.
Because cars and trucks are unbelievably expensive for governments to provide for, kill people in crashes, contribute heavily to the loneliness crisis, and have a number of other serious effects, and this is a place where it is easy to make some changes.
Should push for more bikes lanes and ebikes as well. Plus enclosed electric trikes for cold weather.
Helsinki is actually pushing a lot for bikes, but not doing enough/smart decisions. The Baana was a good idea, but Mechelininkatu is pretty dangerous because of narrow bike lanes. I have almost run into random things in the way on that road atleast five times.
@@xWood4000 , I wonder if underground bike routes would work. It would encourage biking also in bad weather times (autumn, winter and maybe early spring)
@@suokkos dude but isn't it 24/7 hot there
@@suokkos sorry cold
@@suokkos Tunneling is expensive. For the most part the benefits are not worth the cost (except maybe in a few specific locations).
You mean it will cost $25 to enter the city, NYC already has a congestion tax in the form of the $15 toll you need to pay to cross the GW, Lincoln Tunnel, Holland Tunnel, and Verzano Narrows Bridge. Unless you are coming from Long Island you HAVE to pay one of these tolls to get into NYC
really? So Path trains or the MTA doesn't exist?
Baboon this may surprise you but not everyone lives in Hoboken or Jersey City...
Democrats love to tax.
It should be more expensive to come to this city. I hate cars with a passion. Had one gave it up years ago. Now bike and love it. Also feel healthier.
How are you going to balance a budget when democrats equally call for dramatically more spending in social security, welfare, teachers pay and education, renewable energy, environmental conservation, more low income immigrants?
I'd say both parties just about even out when you account for the income and expenditures. Don't forget that tax revenue begins to decline on a curve once it gets to a point where it's cheaper just to hire accountants that specialize in legal tax evasion loopholes.
I'm inspired. I live in a small industrial city with existing electric rail line infrastructure blanketing most sections. A complete link for domestic service to replace the almost unused (combustion) bus system. Electricity production systems have better regulation of emissions and that's only improving - THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR PROJECTS LIKE IN HELSINKI & any mass consumption model.
Once the domestic rail system would start to work, less traffic ensues. The multi-lane roads to areas without rail lines could be split to fit a domestic service for complete coverage.
Now to get cleaner power here in Australia is the problem.
in my town in norway, with a population of 50.000, the buses go every 12 min! in such a small town thas great
12 mins? Thats way too long. Should have used a metro instead
@@kagenlim5271 wtf u mean
@@mr.wyrzykowski7522 Im saying that taking a metro would be a better idea than waiting 12 mins for the bus
@@kagenlim5271 are u mental, the town has 30 000k inhabitants, i was wrong in my comment, not 50k but 30k. and only one town in norway has a metro, thats oslo. and in a town with only 30k people, do u think there is a metro?
@@kagenlim5271 and waiting 12 min is not long? are u really so picky
That's gonna be so hard to sell to Americans 😪 I live in Utah and the front-runner (public train) across the Wasatch front doesn't even run on Sundays..
I live in LA. r i p
Just stay at home on Sundays then lol. Sunday is a resting day anyways
Mormons!
They do apparently run on Sundays, or at least there are plans to do so, but there is a huge reduction in frequency, to the point where it is a bit silly. Still, Salt Lake City does surprisingly well.
Currently renovating restaurants and apartments in downtown Helsinki and it's a headache or very expensive to bring the tools and materials. But yeah better than any US city in public transport.
How is it a headache or expensive?
0:20 That Williamsburg?
Good initiative
Smart move. Driving cars should be taxed even higher in places like NYC. Makes me want to move to Helsinki. If only they spoke an easier language to learn!
S Cin alot of people already live here who dont speak a word finnish, so you would be fine trust me ive met some people like that
So basically make if harder for people to live in these cities.
@Michael VR why are you angry at me lol? i just told you that people can live off english here fine, and everyone here in finland is fine with speaking english with foreigners, you get treated only better if u cant speak the language anyways it seems like
@@fabbe9842 People who have lived here for years, and don't speak the language are looked down upon.
Kvenn As they should
I bet Robert Moses is turning over in his grave.
Helsinki also has a population of roughly 630,000. As flawed as Los Angeles and others may be, there's just no point in comparing huge megacities to small European towns.
London has a congestion charge, and the same pop as NY
PAXperMortem Helsinki isn’t a small town.....
The population is Actually 1 million
@@tclem14 Relative to New York City and LA it definitely is. Principles that work in a city of the size of Helsinki, are not directly transferable to larger towns. On a global scale, Helsinki is tiny.
you should check out hong kong
Well, I live in Helsinki, I’m a mother and I would LOVE to have a car. It would def save me lots of energy and time 😭 However yeah transportation is effective and reliable 👍🏽
Go to Dubai, you'll be chainsmoking cigars
Meanwhile in Kuala Lumpur we are building 3 highways in the same time.
Because Malaysia government heavily depending on vehicle tax and Malaysia's fuel is very cheap.
How do they get their electricity?
32% nuclear, 24% biomass 0,2% solar, 9% wind, 19% hydro, 6% natural gas, 9% coal, 0,3% oil BUT we import about HALF of our energy from Russia. You can guess how they make their energy
Comment section analysis: US citizens that can't wrap their head around the flawed reality that they're accustomed to. Just screaming at the sky and pointing fingers at other nations that do things better.
im from the US...can confirm this comment is a big true!
Haha, nailed it. :D
pointing at the majority of Asian countries is logical
we asians : hmm.. we need more tuk tuk / scooters !
Convenience and quality of public transport and air can massively decrease the urge to own a vehicle.
someone videos older than 2018. example metro map: 1/2018 west metro. bus runs on Western Highway. bus retired on january 2018
2:55 "voluntarily"
Basicly: lets make driving difficult to get in and out
Europe moving ahead into the future while America is still stuck in the 1950s
more like europe going back to early 1900's
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o Screw Ford
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o Haha no. We are evolving.
america's doing the same thing though, look at detroit.
We should demolish freeways here in LA
Yeah that's cool. I have never driven. Always cycled, walked, hitched or shared. Good going. Mark
Cars and guns. The ultimate obsession of the US public
Please I don't think this was for the earth it's for tax revenue
Environment overall is an exuce for taxation
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o C'mon small brain
@@marsaeolus9248 what?
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o "Environment overall is an exuce for taxation" Are you saying that climate change is a hoax? are you one of those?
@@marsaeolus9248 they are using it as an exuce, climate has always changed, these changes that are now happening are minor and we're still warming from the latest ice age, the climate also goes up and down every 500-1500 years, you can't really do anything about it, especially us, finns, The people of 5 million people, so yes it somewhat is a hoax. You must be the small Brain not to figure this out
I live in the countryside in Sweden without a car and have managed for many years. By that I don't mean that everyone could live like me, but most people. It's better for your health, your finances and the climate.
Hmmmm sounds expensive lol for my pocket
Big cities polution are honestly disgusting, we should get on electric cars by law, there is really little more tham habits holding us back.
I’m studying to be an urban planner myself and I think cars can have a place outside the city.
of course. no one is denying that
I am an urban planning student as well however cars are needed in addition to transit walking and biking in the major cities too.
Helsinki CBD two years after covid is turning into a ghetoo. No one prefers to go into the city without fear of being attacked.
Vice news add poped ups . a guy eating japanese food. while watching vice news at the same time. 😵
But highway is still usefull for connect the country
And yet in 2019 in Varna, Bulgaria we just build a highway inside the city and we are super happy about it. Shame!!!
Varna Bulgaria is a city of only 400,000 people (tourists don't count.) It is a very small city by internationl standards population size
@@SurprisinglyDeep Helsinki is only roughly double that. The main issue here is that the buildings are built too low and far apart from one another, there is a huge waste of space. This makes the city span in a much larger space than it normally would, creating the need for transportation and increasing commute times.
@@earlh
I see
@@earlh how cold it is there
@@SurprisinglyDeep 400k is big enough that there shouldn't be a highway *inside* the city.
So how are suppose to bring in goods and services into the city without major freeways ?
railroad freight, less single occupancy vehicles on the road leads to more room for trucks, and they can stipulate deliveries be made during low traffic hours. Many European cities already do this they're just focusing on Helsinki.
@@alexbutler9343 railroad freight still need trucks to do a door-to-door delivery
@@saltymonke3682 you do that will small trucks from the freight yard which don't need big freeways. The point of the freeways is to get large freight trucks into the cities which rail can replicate.
@@alexbutler9343 depends on the freight. Not all freight can be fitted to a small truck. First, what's the definition of a "small truck"? Less than 8 Tons Truck? If so, many standard railroad 20ft cargo freighter can't be delivered. Or you have to pay MORE because they have to deliver it in 3 different trips because of the size limitations. Many supermarket chains use 20ft-40ft cargo sized truck to fill up their store in one trip. Making it very cost efficient.
@@saltymonke3682 they don't use North American size trucks in Europe, only when absolutely necessary. This had already been done in several cities so obviously it's possible.
come to Viet Nam. you'll see how extremely terrible the traffic is, in cities and highways
Excellent. I love ❤️ it
So only the rich get to drive where ever they want. At least 10 dollars to drive down town?? Wtf
bern so your saying everything in the city needs to be more expensive because that truck needs to pay 25$ tax to get to the store or market. Because it isn’t expensive enough to buy food nyc. This is totally a tax on poor people and middle class.
It’s not already a tax that poor/middle class are paying a lot for insurance and car payments?
If congestion and car volumes drop 25% and eliminate 80% of congestion related delay and cut the fuel costs and maintenance and insurance costs of running trucks accordingly and allow each truck and drive to be more productive, then the cost of deliveries will actually drop with congestion charging. That's how it has worked in London, Stockholm, Singapore, Milan, and Gothenburg.@@ThePyroRussian
I live 30 miles away from Helsinki here there is barely public transport. I must pay high taxes from car ownership so that the state can repair roads. Roads are in poor shape and because taxing people can't afford new cars. Yet these leftist social benefit lifters push their climatelie agenda on me and want me to pay more taxes while destroying economy and public insfracture.Housing in Helsinki is really expensive and its pushing poor people out. Outside Helsinki city people must have car to get around. It's insane how green parties just forget about 95% of the country just to look good in the eyes of world.
This comment is really important. You're one of the voices of a "regular" Swedish person; is my only assumption. Everything sounds good through rose colored glasses. Reading this really gave me a better perspective. It's sad that governments don't remember the common person when dealing with these issues. Best of luck.
It really offends me when you say regular swedish person. Im finnish speaking finn who is against state forced swedish language. Every citizen has to take mandatory swedish classes to serve the 2% minority of swedish speaking finns. There is no freedom of choice or equality in that its just pure post colonialism. Swedish language is totally useless in this country.
@@juoppo131 I don't understand your frustration with my comment as I did not mean normal in any type of negative connotation. I merely meant an average citizen versus someone who is extremely wealthy/privileged/elite. I would consider myself a regular American versus say a celebrity or someone who is extremely wealthy and therefore has status.
@juoppo131 Pretty sure he's just trolling. But yes, your comment is important as that situation is not mentioned at all in the video (aside from alleged "affordable" housing). Nor is there any mention of calculations or plans for the needed increase in public transport options to at all compete with the practical necessity for many people using cars today (e.g. situations like needing to make several stops in different suburbs (day care, school, groceries, extra curriculars, etc)).
Finland is a welfare state. State will fund your living if you're unemployed housing,food etc. Helsinki is full of freeloaders who want to stay in expensive urban area and its funded by tax money. Wealth is transferred from tax payer to state which funds private investors owning the buildings and businesses. Poor people vote for green and leftist parties in a hope of extra 20€ every month which is basically stealing from people who are actually trying to make a living. This is a real problem.
We need this in Houston traffic is insane I fucking hate driving 🙁
I loowve the Finnish accent! Best wishes from Kenya. We are still building huge ugly brand new freeways here :(
Yup!! Its a damn shame, made even worse by the HUGE debt it will cause and the fact that only a few Kenyans/ nairobians own cars.
Holy crap... We pay taxes to build and maintain the road then pay taxes to drive on the road.... brilliant
Do you live in New York? If not then you don't, stop moaning
@@joecramp2987
Delaware... And travel to New York regularly. Appreciate your concern.
Such is the lack of foresight of people planning for only cars
@@Kushert So you don't pay taxes in NYC? And you want to use the road without paying anything? Typical.
@@gamesman0118
You're missing the point. Soon it will be all states and all cities this happens too. Why would they just limit this to New York when it's a growing problem everywhere
3:16 Bad driver spotted
Lol, congestion charge started in London in 2003, New York City needs a lot of catching up to do, it hasn’t even embraced contactless or self services
Actually, it has full contactless being rolled out all across the Subway system. I am unsure what you mean by self-services. If you mean self-checkout but for other services, the concept exists in the US, but is strongly disfavored. The US actually got there first in some respects starting in the early 2000s, but it has not generally worked out well because the technology has not always been mature.
@@unconventionalideas5683 The uk started with video-calling in 2002/2003, self services was first started here and so was chip n’pin in 2004
Those congestion prices are not realized yet. That may not be what ends up happening
but what about when all cars are electric? Will they still want to tear down the freeways when they don't pollute?
Less cars means less traffic jams, safer roads for cyclists, more efficient public transport, less noise pollution, less accidents, less personal expenses, etc. So they'd probably still go with the plan
@@BeorEviols never gonna happen, especially in spread out cities like LA, Houston, ect..
The road itself breaks up the city and makes it unwalkable. Same goes for all the extra parking spaces needed for all those cars. Also more danger of traffic accidents. So it isnt just about the pollution.
That won't happen for at least 30 years, probably 50
We won't either completely get rid of cars. Renting cars is already quite popular here and ride-sharing could be a thing, our legislation is currently being developed with for example that goal in mind.
20 largest cargo ships create as much pollution is every single car in US
only for sulphur emissions
And considering how much cargo the ships can transport versus a car?
@TheVandolizm Well cargo ships not that many, but then you have cruise ships
@TheVandolizm In an earlier comment you didn't specify the type of ship so I decided that I wouldn't need to worry about that either
@TheVandolizm And if you had some common sense you wouldn't have argued that cars can move more people than ships can. Even cargo ships.
If Manhattan can’t get enough revenue from parking fees, gas taxes, subway fees, and bridge tolls, then they either need to charge more for fares or spend money more efficiently.
As amazing as Helsinki idea is it would not work in big cities in North America. I am living in Toronto, so typical North America. public transport system is so bad vs the car, that there is choice, but buy a car (unless you are going to downtown location next to subway). 2 small examples, when I was in high school we would take a walk for thirty minutes vs taking a bus that would get us there in 20. Another example, took a bus at night once, was the only passenger so bus did not stop, changed it to another (waiting only for second one) took me 55 minutes had also to walk half a kilometer to my house, same root by car without hwy is 10-12 minutes. Heard a story of a former colleague who had no car and everyday his travel time to work was three hours each way (he was in love with a girl working at that company). Add financial cost of transport ticket(as different suburbs have other public transit, like viva for Vaughan and Markham, and tTC for city of Toronto and each charge separately) which is not that lower than owing a car (if insurance is cheap and parking not included). In short, cities that were designed for cars can not have nice transit system.
They need you ban private vehicles on Manhattan island already it's 12 miles long by 3 miles.
city size, public transportation system etc... not a good comparison
Beijing, shanghai, Tokyo, osaka and many other asian cities are much much bigger than any city in europe or the US. And public transport works just fine there.
investing??? they’re literally planning to take away my only bus straight to the city centre to save money even though my neighbourhood is growing in population, from students to families 🤨
I’m using public transport now but if they take this bus away from us, they’re forcing us to use a car since this bus route not only goes to the city centre but to our nearest shopping mall lol
This video was filmed over 2 years before it got published...
It'll be interesting to think of what hyperloop could do to this
@Nick dont be so shortsighted. Technology is moving way faster and of course we'll have glitches and problems to begin with but hyperloop could seriously increase mobility in areas where the infrastructure is built. Also, so much of helsinki is built underground so urban planners could leverage a potential hyperloop project in the future.
@@Helsinkisillest Hyperloop is almost certain to not be viable. Even if it were, it wouldn't for these types of commutes but rather for travelling between major cities like high-speed rail or airplanes are used today.
@@Helsinkisillest Or they could just build something which is much better and already exists, like high-speed rail.
And what does NYC do with the additional tax?
Within the first 30 seconds: improve public transport
No in reality, look at the other tolls they collect and dont maintain infrastructure with
738 0309 - they'll put it towards useless social programs
@@Fireclaws10 Nope that's a lie. All the money will end up De Blasio and Cuomo's pockets
Spend it on improving the subway, commuter rail, express bus service and a variety of other transport related projects.
I loved Helsinki - i wish i lived there.
Helsinki always doin it right
There's no congestion charge...
A Master's thesis? I have a master's degree, and I can tell you that if the master's paper is not refereed and scrutinized by a published scientist in that field then it is just a passing paper, and nothing needs to truly be factual, it just needs to meet the needs of the course. Anyone can write a master's thesis.
@How Much For A Gram I studied mechanical engineering at Pierce College, WA., earned a associates in science in applied science from Central Texas College, TX., earned a bachelor’s in healthcare administration from Southwestern University, KS., and a master’s in criminal justice with a minor in public administration from Liberty University, VA.
A student who writes a paper like the one in this video obviously is not writing from published scientific journals that have been scrutinized and refereed by peer scientists.
This video makes about as much sense as the article published by James Cooke with his claims that 97% of climate scientists are in consensus that global warming is an existential threat to human beings.
skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm
www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#4094e2743f9f
James Cooke is not a scientist, he is a political cartoonist who took published articles, conjoined certain phrases from specific articles, and then wrote an article with a false claim. The worst part of this is, is that politicians are running with it. Real climate scientists come to conclusions that global warming is a hoax. Science is not a consensus.
Point is, a master’s thesis in many instances only satisfies course requirements. Policies should never be implemented by referencing a master’s thesis. If Helsinki wants to operate using properly vetted information to adjust their infrastructure, then I suggest that they reference reliable information.
Have you ever noticed that only activists are talking about climate change? The boy that wrote his master’s thesis in this video has written it from unreliable information. Keep in mind that this video comes from VICE News. VICE is known for misinformation.
Since I answered your question, where did you go to school?
@How Much For A Gram What personal information? The schools I attended and the degrees I've earned? You can't glean any information from that. That is not personal information.
@@TheGuy030770 Why do you start with an assumption that this master thesis was factually incorrect? What's the reasoning for that? Also I'd like to say that having a degree in something only means that the person invested some time getting one....anyone can do that.
@@TheStigu I never made any such assumption that his master’s thesis was factually incorrect, I made it on the premise that there is no scientific data that corroborates his claim that global warming even exists. Have you ever noticed that climatologists are not making any claims that the Earth’s climate is heading in one direction or another? Activists are making claims that “scientists are claiming that global warming is an existential threat to mankind”, not scientists. So, therefore, this kid’s thesis is not based on scientific data at all, it is based on activist fear-mongering. And to implement policy based on politics to dismantle infrastructure is just plain nuts.
I do agree with you that earning a degree is only a matter of investing time and energy into doing the work required. I was very fortunate to serve in the army and let them pay for my education.
www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#6ba25003f9ff
www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#6ba25003f9ff
climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-scientists-relies-on-inaccurate-claims-about-climate-science/
www.businessinsider.com/nasa-scientists-dispute-climate-change-2012-4
@@TheGuy030770 as a resident of helsinki I think this was more to do with where we as a community want our infrastructure be heading....better public transport. If that results in less admissions, hooray...but thats not really the point. We as a society have already decided that fossil fuel will be banned...and it will be banned long before this 2050 that was mentioned in this video. Our public transport system is already good....noone needs to drive a car inside the city. You seem pretty fixed on your climate change denying....to the point perhaps where you will never understand that people want this change. Maybe you need to go bomb some country for their oil....ain't that how you operate?
Although the distances in the US make it a bit trickier to run a public transport system, it's anything but impossible. Even in metropolitan areas. Also good example on how to do it could be the Dutch Randstad which is much more comparable in size.
Also, it's hilarious to see (some) people from the US identifying cars with personal freedom.
Everybody knows you never go full Helsinki.
Have they not seen how many people ride the subway already smh. That toll booth won’t solve anything for Manhattan
voluntarily, really?
Yeah i think it will happen and i would like it personally. Even right now going to the city center in Helsinki is a pain. It is really hard to find parking and you move like a snail. People that live close to metro stations in built up areas here don't really need a car for everyday use. It isn't obselete because on long distance trips it can really come in handy. But i know a lot of people without cars that fare well here it is not a necessity.
One of our ministers Said that they'll forcefully take our Cars from our yards, doesn't sound like ussr or other totalitarian states at all, basicly we are run by commies right now
Im all about better arhitecture, but
>Finland
>has any effect to global climate change
lol
new york is literally the most walkable city in the US and yet they have so many freakin cars.
Finland is the wrong place to talk about less freeways or climate change. That discussion should be rather done in places like: China, India or America to start with. There are only 5.5mil of us, that is like a really small village in India or Pakistan.
Understandable subject, wrong place.
"Finland is the wrong place to talk about less freeways"
It's not. Land inside Helsinki is expensive. Highways are not an efficient use of that land. It makes sense to replace it with housing since there's a lot of demand for it.
We have to look at making cities more easily traversed via ride shares, public transportation and bycicles. We have to make it convenient to ride your bike, instead of own a car with in cities. We can do this by designing better cities!!
Not all cities are good for bikes. Try that in SF.
@@saltymonke3682 I know, that's the point. We have to design cities to be bike friendly around the cities. If it's more convenient to ride a bike, people will ride bikes. If it's more convenient for a car, people will ride cars.
@@troypropes1182 you can't ride your bike everywhere, anywhere and anytime. Trust me, I've been living in the Netherlands. The holy grail of bike city planning. Good weather, fine. Stormy season, fall and winter, hell no. Dutch don't just have bike but also cars to commute. Depends on the weather.
@@saltymonke3682 yes I agree with you that we still need to use cars... I'm just saying that we can eliminate the need to use cars most of the time in most situations, by designing cities with biking, walking and green public transportation as a priority.
@@troypropes1182 yea, unfortunately people nowadays definne "priority" as going to the extreme end of whatever policy it is. Sadly.
this sounds like this is happening now. "/is/ tearing up" . no it isn't.
sounds more like "somebody had an idea" and you broadcast it like it's something that is actually happening.
I'm very unsure, but I think the Jokeri light rail is a part of this plan.
Now this year (2021) the first one of these (in Laajasalo) is under construction.
I don't necessarily think driving on the highway is the same as cigarettes. I see the comparison. Just could find better one. I do believe in public transportation however.
The world keeps growing and growing!! Should we walk to hell and back to pay a ten dollar toll? Out of control
some people will never change though.
"Cities are for people." Which people? Only the people living in the cities? The "Rail Parking" is already full to the brim, there is no way to get a 24h park if you want to rail to the city of Helsinki and perhaps visit it for 2 days, or even 5 hours. If you take away the motorways you have to compensate with vast and free parking areas near public transportation. You've already taken away all the free parking and everything costs 4 euros per hour, half with a max purchase of 1 hour. Who can visit Helsinki with that?
Also there are people who need cars. They have family, pets, luggage, work related things, hobby gear. Not everyone is a carrot munching LGBT of the "green" party. I'd like to see that party do something for the increase of forest protection. It is not only Helsinki they decide for, but they sure act like it.
@@simohenrik1860 exactly. these developers and planners talk that they are for the environment, but if you look closely their plans are actually paving roads and apartment blocks on forests. they are total hypocrites.
Sooo ur telling me there’s a chance lol
Here you can check the Helsinki City plan which has changed a bit from the plans shown in the video www.yleiskaava.fi/en/
1:31 what the heck
I believe he hasn't been very often outside of maincapital area
@@Hilimani i think he was talking about freeways inside cities.
He literally said that it's only a thing of the past in cities.
I really don’t like this vice reporter.
thank goodness I wasn't the ony one.
i love her!
You are talking about a population difference here. Helsinki has 600, 000 people, New York City has 8,000,000, eight times the population of Helsinki. Also, New York City has a world business of who knows how many times bigger than Helsinki. You are comparing a apple to a apple orchard, in how one manages a apple compared to how one manages an orchard. They are not comparable, what works in Helsinki, will not work in Mew York City. Perhaps if you compare Helsinki with a very small city in the United States, but you can not compare a very small city, to one of the largest in the world.
The size of NYC means that cars are even worse there than in Helsinki.
Wow, another example of the "save the world" mentality of the northern countries. Helsinki has the population of a block in Beijing. Go and figure out what influence they can possibly have in the world. Secterism is a word that comes to my mind.
Jan T. Carlsson It’s not us being retarded, it’s the women and the Swedes who live here.
"Go and figure out what influence they can possibly have in the world."
Even if this had no effect on the outside world it's still a benefit to the people who can live in the places previously used for highways.